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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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0f7904  No.520608[Reply]

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a9bcf4  No.757731

>>756785

I’m not that anon you were replying to but the discord invite is expired, and I tried to add you but it said you don’t accept friend request




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bc249d  No.508486[Reply]

>What is this thread?

The designated political discussion thread. Christians from all parts of the political spectrum are encouraged to discuss relevant political topics and ideas, as well as ask questions and hopefully recieve answers from all points of view. Anything related to politics that doesn't actively involve the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant churches should go here, so if a politics thread is deleted, this thread is the reason why.

As a reminder:

All board rules apply to this thread, so keep things civil.

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7bf025  No.757777

Race mixing is not a sin yet a very unwise choice; I have not given up on my Italian roots, and despite my SSA I would like to try and be a caring man and find a woman. Surely the best one would be a Northern Italian like me; but if I end up with a good woman from another ethnic background who is a responsible and mature Catholic, and God will it, why not…




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dfad1c  No.353817[Reply]

“But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail. And you, when you have turned back, strengthen your brethren.”

Luke 22:32

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-7

Confess your offences to one another and pray for one another in order to be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective!

James 5:16

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740558  No.757715

>>757549

What happened?




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aab1cf  No.757007[Reply]

In this thread we'll post updates in Ukraine and their newly founded church so we don't have to derail the Orthodox general

The news are running like crazy and i think many people haven't yet realised the significance of the event.

We can also discuss our objections to the autocephaly if anyone has any. All opinions welcome but please try to be civil and elaborate on your disagreement.

Catholic opinions also welcome but please try to stay on topic.

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aab1cf  No.757748

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The Tomos


c62dc2  No.757753

what justification does russia give for schisming? people here seems to be taking the side of EP and Ukraine


aab1cf  No.757763

>>757753

They haven't given any and that's the more troubling. It would be more understandable if they would cut the communion with Pat. Bartholomew alone, that has happened many times in the past, Patriarchs stop commemorating each other to show discomfort. But Moscow tried, unsuccesfully, to force a wide scale schism in all the Orthodox world. They literally forbid Russians to visit Mt Athos (most just go anyway). If that wasn't enough, they try to pass this to the people by spewing hate and fake news, especially to the American new converts. Their behavior is totally unacceptable for Orthodox Christians the last few months.


018c75  No.757802

>>757763

What's your affiliation? You sound like CIA.




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176405  No.757784[Reply]

So if I understand correctly, God created the world and he is separate from it, however God is also omnipresent, all knowing and all powerful.

How can he be separate from the world if he is everywhere?

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e67c4a  No.757793

>>757784

He is too great to be within creation, and so great that His being is restricted by nothing. See how rather than being contradictory, one flows from the other.


176405  No.757795

>>757793

So he includes the world within his eternal being?

>>757787

That sounds like as if he was entirely separate.


fd5de5  No.757797

>>757784

He made the world from nothing, He simply spoke it into existence. It's not made of Him, therefore it's separate. However, God is infinite, so He encompasses and fills all things.


6a8ccf  No.757799

>>757795

Sounds like, maybe:; but He’s with us in a variety of ways, without having to explicitly show Himself.

Wish I was better at explaining all this, sorry.


d8b513  No.757800

>>757784

>How can he be separate from the world if he is everywhere?

The whole transcends the part.




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08d79d  No.757766[Reply]

Is it a sin to play Warhammer 40,000?

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5f55a3  No.757770

>>757767

This; filthy xenocommies


a26742  No.757780

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>>757766 (checked)

If it is cutting into your prayer time with God, than yes.


855515  No.757791

>>757766

Seems like an expensive way to play tin soldiers.


9fdce3  No.757796

>>757766

You mean the wargame which costs 1000$+ to get into?

Look dude I'm not going to say its definitely sinful but I can't see myself doing it.


e7b457  No.757801

>>757796

>1000$+ to get into?

okay either prices skyrocketed or you're exaggerating

few years ago I spent maybe ~200 dollarinos and I had a smol, comfy army




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e33f54  No.757798[Reply]

Just discovered Swinburne knocking down some atheist talking points, he has good arguments and explanations for theism and Christianity.

currently reading one of his books too (called Was Jesus God?).

Here's a funny little exchange he had with WLC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a4MHbXVIfs

Funny in the sense of being so erudite and nit-picky.

And Swinburne against some sort of naturalist who denies the soul, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0VfrSRSLo4

Post more high-IQ Christian thinkers.



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17e4a3  No.757358[Reply]

I believe in God but I'm not satisfied with the way today's denominations approach the Scripture. Would it be heresy to sit down and interpret it myself verse by verse instead of trusting in others?

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4e34ee  No.757776

>>757358

>interpret it myself

What's your educational background? You might not agree with the prevailing orthodoxies but they have armies of scholars behind their conclusions. Also if you seriously think you have it right and 99% of Christians have it wrong then you have bigger responsibilities in your future like evangelizing the entire planet of Christians unless you conveniently interpret it in a way that absolves you of that responsibility.


6cf5f9  No.757778

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>>757358

Is "making your own biblical interpretation" pride?

>Implies you will be the one to have the correct biblical interpretation, or at least the best one.

>Implies salvation was scarcer before your new denomination school of thought came around

>Knows it could be a gateway for many sins if you misinterpret something, does it anyways


9ec76c  No.757783

>>757778

Depends, as long as you ACTUALLY think it's logical, it's not a sin.


ec4878  No.757790

>>757517

Thinking about it =/= interpreting. It should be compared with the beliefs of the early church. That way we don't get anime-tier fanfictions. Think of it this way: what are the chances that every member of the Church was completely and totally wrong on dogma for 1500 years, until several brand new interpretations randomly popped up, most of which tend to disagree with each other? I mean, we have denominations now that all ignore the Inspired word of God in the NT written by Paul, because his way of thinking is "old-fashioned" today.

Dogma is dogma for a reason; without it the body of Christ falls into complete chaos. Prime example: literally every church with female clergy permits everything except obedience to God.


6cf5f9  No.757794

>>757783

You could say the same when asked about someone that doesn't know something is sinful. Sure you're not knowingly rejecting the creator, but it still taints your soul.




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83f006  No.757366[Reply]

How can Christianity be fair if there are people that are never given a chance to convert to it such as, Native Americans or abortions? And how do Protestants deal with there being a time where the only avenue to know Christ was through the Roman Catholic Church?

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32364c  No.757734

>>757720

>The After-Life IS God's Kingdom. And then it is no longer an "after-life", but THE LIFE. All those outside of it, are in that eternal lake of fire.

I'm a catholic so believe in the purgatory.

>Every soul shall be judged, and those that do not know God, will be judged according to the law in their heart. But they -will- be judged.

Souls have no reason to fear the judgement when their heart is pure. Hence I believe that they wait in a joyous state, unlike the lost souls who died in sins. Also, it's not obivous but it's implied in the Revelation that Hell will come after Christ's second coming, and I believe in this interpretation. If Hell existed now, why do the demons roam free instead of being locked in there? So, where would the lost souls be while waiting for the inevitable Hell in the end of times?


b4ba4a  No.757769

Limbo


32364c  No.757772

>>757769

Yes, also called the Hades in the scripture.


e9ae03  No.757773

I want all of these redditors to leave.


b4ba4a  No.757792

>>757773

Why? Maybe some of them are really going through these issues…do not assume ill gotten reasons behind everything.




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ce6fd1  No.757687[Reply]

Has anyone here played the game Agony? It's set in hell. It got pretty awful reviews. The company that made it is Polish. There are random Bible verses about hell shown in the loading screens, some from the deuterocanon. There is nudity in the game, but the context is so horrific that I don't really see it as pornographic. There's a character called the Red Goddess which is presumably supposed to represent the Scarlet Woman from Revelation. I find it interesting because it shows hell in a serious and horrific way. It may be edgy, but then how could hell be otherwise? A quote from a Vice article:

>Agony's vision of hell is also weirdly boring in the way it follows Judeo-Christian mythology so strictly it almost feels orthodox. Naked women with tails and wings, fire and blood, and impaled bodies haven't been this edgy since Dante Alighieri published Inferno in 1308.

I'm not encouraging anyone to play it, but I'm just wondering if any Christians here have played it already and what their thoughts on it were.

374604  No.757691

Wasn't there a vidya thread, or did that die when we got those halfchan toast spammers?

Anyway, vidya games are boring and dont give me the same satisfaction as praying to God. If you can dedicate 5 hours a day to play vidya, you can dedicate an hour for prayer.


192daf  No.757693

>you will never play a video game set during the 1500s in a fictional Apocalypse that turns the Dutch Low Countries in a Hieronymus Bosch/Pieter Bruegel hellscape

These guys dropped the ball.


a002be  No.757782

>Agony's vision of hell is also weirdly boring in the way it follows Judeo-Christian mythology so strictly it almost feels orthodox. Naked women with tails and wings, fire and blood, and impaled bodies haven't been this edgy since Dante Alighieri published Inferno in 1308.

I thought hipster types loved vintage stuff…


03acdf  No.757789

>>757687

>liberals promote tolerance for hell now

*i-t's not that it's real or that we believe in it or anything, but you guys should not be so mean to satan*




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7e4d25  No.658214[Reply]

NON EST VERA LIBERTAS NISI IN SOLA ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.

Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

Useful links:

Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va

Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/

Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net

Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/

How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/

Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925

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aa42fd  No.752990

>>752988

Good for you, I hope you find the answers you're looking for.


007201  No.753005

Pater de caelis, Deus…


0e2804  No.753044

>>753005

…miserere nobis. 

Fili Redemptor mundi, Deus, miserere nobis. 

Spiritus Sancte, Deus, miserere nobis. 

Sancta Trinitas, unus Deus, miserere nobis. 


cb9993  No.757786

>>752986

Can you guys tell me what a retreat consists of?


4f8ec4  No.757788

Why do I have the urge to run away from mass during the Creed?




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b4dc26  No.757750[Reply]

The Pences: Defenders of Christian values in White House…

US Vice President Mike Pence and his wife Karen are powerful proponents of religious conservatism in America

http://archive.today/2019.01.18-043750/https://news.yahoo.com/pences-defenders-christian-values-white-house-205451081.html

Washington (AFP) - On page 11 of an application to work at a private Christian school in Virginia, teachers are bluntly asked to pledge to "maintain a lifestyle based on biblical standards of moral conduct." It goes on to say banned conduct includes, but is not limited, to: "heterosexual activity outside of marriage (e.g. premarital sex, cohabitation, extramarital sex), homosexual or lesbian sexual activity, polygamy, transgender identity" or "any other violation of the unique roles of male and female." Students at the Immanuel Christian School – who range in age from five to 14 – are also banned from engaging in "homosexual or bi-sexual activity," according to an agreement parents must sign before enrollment.

Vice President Mike Pence's wife Karen is once again teaching art at the school in Washington's suburbs – sparking anger from gay rights advocates who say it sends the wrong message from the inner circles of US power. "We'll let the critics roll off our backs," Pence said in an interview with Catholic television network EWTN. But he added: "The criticism of Christian education in America should stop." Of course, the Pence family's brand of religious conservatism is exactly why Donald Trump chose him as a running mate in July 2016.

At that time, Pence was the governor of Indiana and a former congressman with a low national profile. He had a few crowning achievements to boast of – a state anti-abortion law and a "religious freedom law" that said individuals and companies wishing not to serve gay and lesbian customers could cite a "substantial burden" on their religious beliefs as a reason. An amendment was eventually passed to provide protectPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

5a2aed  No.757779

>>757750

I'm sick of politicians who sell themselves using religion. Coming from a catholic in a muslim majority country. There's quite a lot of untamed Islamic fundamentalism and extremism in my country. I much prefer a leader who would vow to maintain stability, tolerance, and peace between religious groups, because that's what the government is supposed to do, protecting it's citizens. Let religious leaders do their own job and political leaders do theirs. His kingdom is not of this world.


8d88e8  No.757781

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>>757750

God Bless Mike "One Watt per sodomite thought" Pence


d2cbe4  No.757785

Anti-LGBT furries 4 Trump approved post




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13db31  No.751098[Reply]

Crusader memes are cringe and people who post them are more often than not larpers.

Also the word heresy is used too often and the original meaning of the word has pretty much been lost to the average layman.

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835673  No.756889

>>751128

>pope defines Christianity, amirite catholics?

>MUH SINNERS

>babbles in schism

>posts heretical popes port v2 to "prove a point"

t. burger larping as Orthodox.


6a2902  No.756937

>>752709

It's pretty funny OC


12f532  No.756989

File: 606f47b8578814e⋯.gif (1.48 MB, 256x192, 4:3, agent_cooper.gif)

>>751432

>>751431

Great comment, seriously, the masculine is purpose and sacrifice, that's what I take too by being a devout Christian.

Question is, you be aggressively chasing your goals and purpose, but there shouldn't be violence component to it, like it would be hypocrisy to have a christian death squad.


7ecd4a  No.757001

>>751098

>Crusader memes are cringe

Not an argument.

>people who post them are more often than not larpers.

Some are not, as you said yourself.

>Also the word heresy is used too often and the original meaning of the word has pretty much been lost to the average layman.

Agreed.


40a095  No.757775

Tbh, I became Christian because I was larping as a Crusader. Odd how God will allow Himself into your heart if there's an opening.




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b105e4  No.756276[Reply]

Regardless of whether it's Gregorian chants or chants by the Valaam monastery choir or if something obscure, post your favourites!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmj7wLUF-gk&fbclid=IwAR2LtIYgr8wjQ8cgxLv3N-V6yvQyIkNsvTV1U1pXGH4BK0YtdLkzd6zFnN4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_4WWf9MT9s

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ef3fff  No.757202

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>>756896

That was so great, it's the first time i listen to Old Latin cant, it's like hearing the Greek chant but in Latin.


cbb801  No.757215

>>757202

I'd rather have these in my church instead of the Gregorian ones to be honest.

Gregorian chants are way too complex to sing along with, the rhythm and notes constantly changing throughout the year.

If I had a euro for every out-of-rhythm sing-along from my church I'd be rich.

These, along with Byzantine chants, are much simpler to sing along with.


602f44  No.757280

>>757200

Thanks brother, don't need it, maybe if you knew about a recommended torrent or something.

I've actually found something with the music from your OP

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:085d77ddd3abcfeff082d17a7d324832d5753ef7&dn=Vozes%20da%20Tranquilidade%20%28Canto%20Gregoriano%29&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969%2Fannounce

I'm listening to more stuff, also found about the Valaam monastery you told about, but all songs are in slavic runes, so its hard to figure out.

For anyone else, if you find a good album to share, don't hesitate to do so.


702937  No.757299

>>757202

That was the third one I posted actually.


ef3fff  No.757774

>>757299

Yes i know i just embed it to make it more clear




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99a16f  No.491187[Reply]

Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

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ba19df  No.757705

>>757614

God is the Creator outside of Creation. Ergo, He is changeless.

"The doctrine of divine simplicity has a number of crucial implications, which are, accordingly, also essential to classical theism. It entails that God is immutable or changeless, and therefore that He is impassible – that is, that He cannot be affected by anything in the created order. It entails that he is eternal in the sense of being altogether outside of time and space. It entails that He does not “have” existence, or an essence, or His various attributes but rather is identical to His existence, His nature and His attributes: He is His existence which is His essence which is His power which is His knowledge which is His goodness"

this and more in-depth breakdown here:

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2010/09/classical-theism.html


fa7a5b  No.757737

1. Is it ok to be slothful when sick?

2. Is it ok ok hug your pillow (I don’t treat it like a body pillow)?

3. Is it ok to not fast or feast if you are sick?

Currently I’m sick with flu, strep, with increased delirium and fatigue I was dealing with before I picked up flu and strep.

Because of a condition called dysautonomia my immune system is very weak so I can be sick a LOT (40-60% of the year).


fa7a5b  No.757739

>>757704

I’ve been doing that too, but sometimes I will have myself standing, because the intrusive thoughts will force you to pray in a certain way, to the point that you’ll hear thoughts telling you’ll lose everything / disgrace God if you pray standing.

I guess the position doesn’t matter as long you’re actually praying.


a36276  No.757741

>>757737

>Is it ok to be slothful when sick?

When you still have some strength left, I think you should do what you can do. Of course being a total sloth isn't okay, but don't push yourself too hard though, especially if you think that your recovery is important for everyone.

>Is it ok ok hug your pillow

What kind of question is this? Anyway yes.

>Is it ok to not fast or feast if you are sick

Yes.


bea139  No.757771

I try to accept God’s love, but I can’t: I cannot believe it’s for free…

I have been going to church for 20 years, even prayed the rosary for almost half a year in 2018: nothing has changed. I am the usual self, with my lustful homosexual desires, my self hatred and my inability for love

I gave money to the needy, I helped a friend in need and then blocked him out of my life, I do go in vain since I am in a state of deadly sin… I am confused, wounded, lost: I want to be in the light, but I’m gonna be disgusted by myself.




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