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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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0f7904  No.520608[Reply]

Glory to God in the highest!

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afc3e1  No.727631

Bible Study ~30min

1:00PM CST-US(7:00PM UTC)



Apostles Creed

Lords Prayer/Our Father

Joshua 1-3, Psalm 54

Gospel of Luke Ch. 1-2 by The Bible Project

Lady-O - Judee Sill

Luke 9, Psalm 55

Gospel of Luke Ch. 3-9 by The Bible Project

Shai Linne - Hypostatic Union

Joshua 4-6, Psalm 56

Lords Prayer/Our Father

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OLezoUvOEQ The Birth of Jesus - Gospel of Luke Ch. 1-2 by The Bible Project

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k4GbvZUPuo Gospel of Luke Ch. 3-9 by The Bible Project

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP8DjFhxy60 Judy Sill - Lady-O

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBC5Wn5a0Y Shai Linne - Hypostatic Union

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bc249d  No.508486[Reply]

>What is this thread?

The designated political discussion thread. Christians from all parts of the political spectrum are encouraged to discuss relevant political topics and ideas, as well as ask questions and hopefully recieve answers from all points of view. Anything related to politics that doesn't actively involve the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant churches should go here, so if a politics thread is deleted, this thread is the reason why.

As a reminder:

All board rules apply to this thread, so keep things civil.

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b4b2ae  No.727629

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The most significant source of these problems though is technology. Technology is the greatest equalizer and thus the most effective weapon of revolutionary action, freeing entire communities of their shared obligations toward friendships, local culture, and civic associations, allowing women to free themselves of the burden of children, even creating women whole cloth out of men. Truly, what a marvel of human ingenuity it is.

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dfad1c  No.353817[Reply]

“But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail. And you, when you have turned back, strengthen your brethren.”

Luke 22:32

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-7

Confess your offences to one another and pray for one another in order to be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective!

James 5:16

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4816da  No.727596


I'll offer my next rosary for you (and one other person). I'll let you know when I am done! God bless

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05c2e9  No.727303[Reply]

There's too much fighting here. We need to remember that we are all united in Christ's love for us and his sacrifice. Post pictures, quotes etc of Jesus.

> And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:14‭-‬18 NKJV

> And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me.”

Matthew 28:9‭-‬10 NKJV

> Then He arose and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, “Peace, be still!” And the wind ceased and there was a great calm. But He said to them, “Why are you so fearful? How is it that you have no faith?” And they feared exceedingly, and said to one another, “Who can this be, that even the wind and the sea obey Him!”

Mark 4:39‭-‬41 NKJV

> When He saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.” And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins” —He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

Luke 5:20‭-‬24 NKJV

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876116  No.727355


>& patriarchs

Bartholomew and Denysenko are American puppets and schismatics.

876116  No.727359


>to show unity DESPITE the past.

Why would you do that? It's like asking people to agree that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, despite Muslims not believing in the Bible. You can't have opinions in spite of facts, it's plain stupid.

>or he who is not against us is on our side.”

You understand that the Catholics are against us (Orthodox)?

d86e61  No.727366


Found the jew.


af7930  No.727505


No, you're not you dumb larper. Every cradledox knows that Orthodox and Catholics are mortal enemies.

ba9b75  No.727642

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0ba29d  No.670387[Reply]

Entry note: This is a thread entirely dedicated to the most holy Rosary. No discussions about denomination, no "muh vain repititions", no "muh idolatry/goddess worship" or whatsoever. Discuss your experiences, all things Rosary-related, history, saints and so on and so forth.


The Rosary. The prayer. The weapon.

Attacked by many - such as the devil and his demons - countless times. Prayed even more often. Consisting of divine prayers like the Angelic Salutation and the Our Father, has it been divinely revealed fully to St. Dominic by the blessed Virgin Mary. Despite the attacks of the devil and his minions has it been preserved through pious men and women, through our holy Mother and even Christ Himself - time and time again was it re-revealed when the faith grew weak and the people of God grew lazy and fell off the faith through tricks of the devil.

A prayer that goes with prayer beads - who are seen by God Himself and the angels, the holy ones as well as the fallen ones, as a sword. A powerful weapon to crush the enemies of God and to cut into the flesh of satan himself.

Will you stand by and neglect it ? Or will you join the ranks of the soldiers of God, armed with the weapon that can convert people as it can destroy evil likewise ?

The Rosary consists of 5 prayers: The Sign of the Cross, the (Apostolic) Creed, the Our Father, the Hail Mary and the Minor Doxology. In private you may add prayers such as the prayer request by our lady of Fatima - the so-called Fatima prayer - the Hail, Holy Queen, Litanies and others.

With every decade of Hail Mary's you meditate a different mystery. There are 4 (in the German-speaking realm 5) sets of mysteries for us to meditate, of which each one consists of 5 mysteries:

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6ba8eb  No.713231

i'm sort of weirded out at the new mysteries because with three it was perfect, 150 hail mary's for 150 psalms, now what it's 200? or you're saying for germans its 250? 150 was a perfect number it matched up perfectly. i don't get it.

13669d  No.714269

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There is no direct correlation between the Psalter and the Rosary: they're both in beaded form, that's it.

Historically, monks who did not know Latin started praying the psalter but with 150 Pater Noster for every bead.

Later, people prayed the Ave instead.

It was then divided into decades, separated by the Our Father and the Doxology.

It was only during the marian apparition of Toulouse that Our Lady asked St. Dominic to pray her Psalter (150s Ave). She then attached mysteries to the Psalter which became the Rosary as we know and pray it.

The Psalter has no mysteries and no meditations unlike the Rosary, that's the difference.

As previously stated in this thread, the Luminous mysteries date way before Vatican 2 (if that's where your getting at); when you understand the intrinsic historical evolution of the prayer there is no reason not to add them.

Think about the problems of modern day Church and the Luminous mysteries; for example, the Wedding of Cana is between a MAN and a WOMAN…

I apologize for my English. It is not my native language.

Today is Sunday and we pray the

<Glorious Mysteries

13669d  No.715934

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>Some people are so foolish that they think they can go through life without the help of the Blessed Mother. Love the Madonna and pray the rosary, for her Rosary is the weapon against the evils of the world today. All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother.

St. Pio of Pietrelcina

Today is Thursday and we recite the

<Luminous Mysteries

a2a3a4  No.715938


Fun fact: if we are to take Seraphim of Serov’s Prayer Rule as being valid, the Mericle at Cena is actually included in the “passion cycle” within his group of 15. However, I feel like one should say all the mysteries in one go, as it tells the story of Mary going from a humble teenager to being the queen of all creation through the life of her son, which is sort of lost if you just focus on 5 a day.

13c739  No.727641

Bump for useul thread.

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7e4d25  No.658214[Reply]


The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.

Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

Useful links:

Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va

Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/

Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net

Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/

How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/

Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925

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d6d215  No.727557


I'm just playing around. Although I have heard people saying that the Angel spoke to Mary in Latin during the annunciation. Also I've heard that demons are more afraid of Latin, since it is a holy language. It's the largest sacred language used by the church and has been used by the vast majority of Saints throughout the years. The only bible declared free from error (in terms of teachings) is in Latin too.

826a6a  No.727634


>Although I have heard people saying that the Angel spoke to Mary in Latin during the annunciation.

Lol what? Mary didn't even speak Latin. She spoke aramaich and Greek possibly.

>The only bible declared free from error (in terms of teachings) is in Latin too.

Technically every Bible that gets the Nihil Obstat is free from error.

And the Greek Bible isn't free from error as well?

I don't know why people come up with these ideias.

Latin is a great language and spoken by lots of saints, but it was never an holy language or something similar. If there was one it would be Greek or Hebrew since the original bible was written in both of them.

86d9b2  No.727637

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Can I get a rundown on Catholic æstheticism? Any tips for moving towards God through the rejection of Earthly desires?

d6d215  No.727639


Start with fasting - one meal a day. You should already be not eating meat, only fish on fridays. Do not fast on Sundays though, that's prohibited basically, it's a feast day for us. Also you should at least be saying your 15 decades of the rosary a day. Once you can manage that first, then you can progress further.

Also whenever anything unpleasant happens, accept it and offer it to God.

d6d215  No.727640


You're totally wrong. Latin is a holy language. And they say that as way of a miracle. Latin is the most important language for the Church and is most definitely a sacred language, there is no question. And no a Nihil Obstat doesn't mean it's free from error. It just means nothing stands in the way of it being printed. Only the old Latin Vulgate has been declared infallibly declared by an Ecumenical Dogmatic Council.

Decree Concerning The Edition And Use Of The Sacred Books

"Moreover, the same holy council considering that not a little advantage will accrue to the Church of God if it be made known which of all the Latin editions of the sacred books now in circulation is to be regarded as authentic, ordains and declares that the old Latin Vulgate Edition, which, in use for so many hundred years, has been approved by the Church, be in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions held as authentic, and that no one dare or presume under any pretext whatsoever to reject it."

Something can receive a Nihil Obstat and you're free to reject whatever is printed and say that you don't agree with it. You cannot reject the Vulgate though.

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07fd3d  No.713509[Reply]

*blocks your path*

*saves Christiantiy*

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4cf873  No.715431


>white impact with black shadow on white background

>dude words lmao

what a tigger

c48070  No.715443


leftism/progressivism is inherently un-Christian, God's word is eternal

d25dfd  No.715454


not agreeing with the image but what about progressive revelation

c48070  No.715460


that was 2000 years ago

dd83ed  No.727638

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>So DBH not only disputes what the Fifth Ecumenical Council taught on universalism… he explicitly does not care what it taught. Contrary to the judgment of the Church, which does not number Origen among the saints or fathers of the Church, he believes he is not only both, but chief among them. And having canonized Origen, and removed the Fifth Ecumenical Council from the Seven Ecumenical Councils, he calls a great saint of the Church (St. Justinian) a "brutish imbecile."



>Hart had denounced wealth as “an intrinsic evil”

>In Hart’s reading, unless the rich man gives away all his wealth, he will be doomed, for he “scarcely merits the name of ‘brother’”. However, this is not what the text actually says. There is no hint in it that the rich scarcely merits the name “brother”

>Hart translates the word often rendered “ready to share” (Greek koinonikos) and renders it “communalist” (the word “communist” comes in a footnote)

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87e37f  No.727402[Reply]


Has the divide between catholics and reformed finally been bridged?

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b6822d  No.727524


All (historical) Protestants are basically Augustine Catholics imho…who sort of revolted at Thomism and the same innovations that brought about the schism from Orthodox.

f8b2cf  No.727547


How if they have different opinions about justification and free will? Calvin pushes the doctrine of free will of the church (augustinian) and takes it to the absurdum.

I don't know of it was Luther or someone close to him but they said that although they thought Augustine was cool, he was with no doubt the father of Catholic theology and he didn't support any of their views.

7437d0  No.727555


Funny they even mention Gnostics cause Prots are actually Gnostics

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113841  No.727636


I’ll elaborate for him: he’s wrong. He doesn’t know what a gnostic is.

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73bf9b  No.726927[Reply]

Ok, I'm the Calvinist who made that thread asking to see if my Calvinist beliefs were compatible with that of the Catholic faith since I am sincerely considering becoming a Catholic. Since then I have done some studying and have felt that I have come closer to the faith of Catholics but there are still some issues.

Ok, so while I was reading more of the bible and talking with other, more intelligent Christians, I came to a more compatible interpretation of Romans 9. So first off we have Romans 9:22 which says:

<What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

Most people will see this as God creating people for the soul purpose of hell, hence the name vessels of destruction which coincides with the imagery used my Paul when presenting God as the potter as is as the clay. But a good word to focus on here would be "endured with much patience." The significance of this word was brought to my attention by a user on discord as claiming that God is being patient with the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction because God is waiting for their repentance. Despite their destiny for the eternal fire by God we can still infer that there was an actual possibility to actually convert even though they are vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. The user even referenced some protestant interpretation to Romans 9 to support her view. The individual even gave the example of Abraham and showed that by looking at the grammar of exodus we see that pharoah was presented as a person hardened and hostile to God has God's constant plaguing of Egypt was at first to change his heart but after was actually to destroy him. Another argument I used was pointing out Paul's utilisation of the term "call" in Romans 9:11 as well as in Romans 8:28 where we are the golden chain of redemption:

<And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

I used this to prove that the loving of Jacob and hating of Esau wasn't about nations but God actually selecting individuals for salvation and to prove not all people are called since I thought the golden chain of redemption would be weird if one who was called coPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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cb3887  No.727622

Also, did Jesus take on the sins of the whole world? Or only the elect? Because it doesn't make sense to take on the sins of the reprobated, since they will not repent in the end anyways, and He knows exactly who they are. I have a feeling God took on only the sins inasmuch as whoever would repent (since some reprobates may have asked forgiveness for some sins).

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73bf9b  No.727624


You have believe in hypothetical universalism. Perhaps Christ sacrifice was more of a open invitation and anyone who came to it would have all their sins taken away. But since they reprobate never seek the cross they never have their sins taken a way.

"Cyprian (A.D. 250)

“All the sheep which Christ hath sought up by His blood and sufferings are saved…Whosoever shall be found in the blood, and with the mark of Christ shall only escape…He redeemed the believers with the price of His own blood…Let him be afraid to die who is not reckoned to have any part in the cross and sufferings of Christ.”"

>He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 2:2

73bf9b  No.727626


Also, are you Catholic or eastern orthodox. Actually, I probably shouldn't assume that. What is your denomination?

cb3887  No.727635



Catholic and I 100% don't believe in hypothetical universalism. I don't really see so much of a problem with what St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas says, it's just something interesting to really think about.

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c0e847  No.727570[Reply]

Let's see the representation here, so we know who we're talking with


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04433b  No.727607


Just so you know there are numerous other confessional/independent Lutheran churches out there such as the Evangelical Lutheran Synod (ELS), the Church of the Lutheran Confession, and the American Association of Lutheran Churches.

This should give you greater flexibility in choosing.


ad9c49  No.727610


iirc last time it was ordodox discord that pumped up their numbers

758c23  No.727613

is the poll asking which denomination we belong to or what church we attend?

c0e847  No.727630


What's the difference?

758c23  No.727632


Well, I'm not a Christian yet but I go to church

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ab275b  No.727460[Reply]

Why do Baptists trigger /christian/ so much?

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e2e4d5  No.727588


Baptists aren't Christians according to the rules of this board. It should be considered an act of charity that every Baptist isn't banned here.

1c9cc6  No.727589

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"Unity" is the old ecumenism trick. They water down doctrine until there isn't much difference left, and then bribe some corrupt leader to go into communion with Rome. Your souls don't matter to the atheistic papists, only your church fees.

ed44e5  No.727604


>Baptists aren't Christians according to the rules of this board

Yes they are.

4fd5f7  No.727612


Many of them deny the Nicene creed for example

d7b2e9  No.727625


I have never met a Baptist that denies the Nicene Creed. Memes aren’t reality.

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5ee7c2  No.724124[Reply]

What does /christian/ think of the Koran? Have you read it? What's it like? Is it like the Bible except with Muhammad?

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4246df  No.727510


Not defending the Koran, but by that logic reading the Iliad is a horrible offense.

563bc3  No.727511


it's shit

563bc3  No.727512


>It's basically the bible written by papists

>>self contradictory

>>unending nonsense doctrines and decrees

>>violence prescribed against their brothers for the smallest issue but full blown evil is to be ignored

>>pro pedo

this too

60b8d8  No.727615


lmao, some of the stories are also retardedly vague like

>Do you remember the tale of the three worshippers? They came to a place with a river and worshiped, then a fourth man came. Only Allah, merciful and mighty, knows the truth of this matter! As for those who speculate they will be cast into the hellfire on an appointed day. Allah is merciful.

675d9a  No.727618


Islam is a religion of cuckoldry.

>(45:14) "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not hope for the Days of Allah; It is for Him to recompense (for good or evil) each people according to what they have earned”

>[2:190] “You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”

>[2:192] “If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.”

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bf42bb  No.727487[Reply]

First off, I'm absolutely against homosexuality of any kind.

I know the Bible verses that talk about it, I've seen some quotes of the Church Fathers, even in my conscience I can say that it's bad.

But I don't understand how it's bad exactly. The Bible verses pretty much only say that homosexuality is bad because it's bad, because it's an abomination etc.. The Church Father quotes I've seen are pretty much the same, just expanded. I've searched on youtube and the search engine but did not find anything else, which is why I'm asking here.

I'm going to repeat once again that I'm fully against homosexuality and agree with Church teaching; the fact that God says it's a sin is enough for me to believe it to be a sin, but I want to UNDERSTAND why it is so, and why it is as bad as they say it is, so I can oppose it even more.

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295044  No.727606

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Also this.

8d1fb8  No.727608


>now we have to disprove it?

You don't, because you can't, which makes my statement that every homosexual was molested between birth and puberty a natural impossibility. And since natural law trumps science unless proven otherwise, homosexuality is a this state of our knowledge a birth defect. If there is no provable timetable for the origin, one always needs to start at the beginning.

bf42bb  No.727609

thanks for all the answers folks

8411c3  No.727611

It's important to recall that it is not only homosexuality that is evil, but homosexuals themselves who are (very frequently) evil. Look at all the agendas they push, their nepotism, pedophilia, etc.

5a2ef5  No.727616


Was getting saved part of your plan?

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c5c042  No.657770[Reply]


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0cda0b  No.727246

Having had time to sleep on it, I feel plagued by doubt once more re: fiction. Does not St. Basil the Great have a famous quote about what can be gained by fiction? Furthermore, have there not been many well respected Orthodox writers of fiction, like Dostoevsky? Did not Jesus himself use fiction (parables) to make a point? Certainly prudence is required, but I have doubts about a wholesale condemnation of fiction.

e4310f  No.727274

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In theory any distraction from God is bad. It is better to pray or to read the Bible or something from the saints than Dostoevsky. This theory, telling us what is good and what is bad, points to us the path leading to God.

Ok, but this path is narrow and it is very easy for someone to go astray if he goes too fast and without proper guidance. Even more so, when someone is only a catechumen, not yet transplanted to the Vine and unsupported by the sacraments. I think for most people it will be unwise to discard at once all secular readings, movies, empty wanderings in Internet, etc. Yes, this should be a goal, but maybe not something that can be done at once and everything right now. Discard first what you think is most damaging to your soul.

In the Orthodox Church one does not have the comfort that one gets with the protestants and the catholics. With protestants you know you are saved. With catholics you have an explicit list of mortal sins you have to avoid and very clear rules what you have to do. If you follow the rules, you are saved. In the Orthodox Church, however, you are asked to do more than what you are able to do. Why? Because you are asked to be like God.

The Orthodox spirituality requires from you that: 1. you don't say something is not necessary only because you think it is too much for you or for most people; 2. at any time your spiritual steps take into consideration your current spiritual state. Go in the right direction and have unwavering hope that in the future you will be where you have to be.

The Lord your God will clear away these nations before you little by little. You may not make an end of them at once, lest the wild beasts grow too numerous for you. But the Lord your God will give them over to you and throw them into great confusion, until they are destroyed.' (Deuteronomy 7:22)

b7de82  No.727339

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There's nothing wrong with imagination or fiction used in proper context. Is there anything sinful in children playing pretend? Imagination too, is a gift from God. It can helps us grow and learn about ourselves.

Artists, painters, storytellers, brads, and yes, even Jesus Himself, trough His parables.

It's the gift of some to use "lies" to guide us closer to truth.

The Orthodox faith has never been one to shy away from such beauty. We've always coexisted with the stories and masks our folk and folklore has been wise enough to pass on to us.

We know them as games and our capacity to be together in such games, to grow and learn from them as a gift from God.

However, if you're playing Wow 20 hours a day, it would be a sin. It does not bring you closer to other people, to reality, to God, to yourself, and it does not cultivate wisdom . It might be a game, but you would not be using it 'as' a game.

Personalty, I've never seen the appeal of RPG's . I'd rather much play simpler games and chat around with my friends while doing so. Because, in the end, it's was never 'about' the game. It's about the relationships, growth, and enjoyment of us who are playing it. When it is time to pray, pray. If you have time to play, play.


I'm surprised you'd encourage the practice of metaphysics whilst disproving of the practice of play. The child knows his game is a game, thus he is able to lose himself in it and return richer for the experience. The philosopher forgets his game is a game, and thus he looses his soul. If only he had preserved the wisdom of children.

e4310f  No.727530


>The philosopher forgets his game is a game

I like this. Yes, in a way what a philosopher does is a game. Just as the children use games in order to exercise and train their mental and physical abilities, so the study of philosophy is useful as exercise and training of the mental abilities. St. Gregory Palamas says that "these studies are good to exercise the sharpness of the spiritual eyesight, but it is stupid to persevere in them. When a man has trained himself enough, it will be best if he directs his endeavors to greater and intransient things. Then even for the neglect of the oral studies and sciences one will have a big reward by God." And again: "We don't forbid those who are not monks to study the secular sciences. However, we don't advise to do this all life and we forbid altogether to expect from this any exact knowledge about the divine subjects. Because from these sciences it is impossible to learn anything reliable about God."

>If you're playing Wow 20 hours a day, it would be a sin.

>But if you have time to play, play.

But do we have time to play? "Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, redeeming the time". (Ephesians 5:15-16) There are so much more profitable ways to use our time, the talent given to us by God lest we hear "take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents." (Matthew 25:14-30) Let's face the truth. A RPG interferes with our life, with our real obligations. Anyone who plays a RPG and lives in a family knows this. This is a game titillating our pride, making us feel heroes and forget about our spiritual needs.

>I'm surprised you'd disprove the practice of play.

I wrote nothing against the practice of play. In fact, I tried to suggest in a somewhat delicate form the opposite: that it is ok to do for a while the various activities we are accustomed to; even when these activities are useless or maybe harmful.

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0cda0b  No.727595


I don't have time to write much right now, but I wanted to thank you for your insightful reply. It rings true to me. I still struggle with the Orthodox understanding of sin and theosis; that isn't to say I disagree at all, but examining my own life through an Orthodox lens has been quite laborious for me. Understanding how an activity can be "neutral", but still bad when you compare it to "good", and trying to decide how quickly to remove "neutral" from your life (not to mention "bad") has been a difficult task. Maybe someday, then, I will climb past this rung, by God's grace. One step at a time.

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cfdaaa  No.727209[Reply]

Revelation 18

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver,

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675aed  No.727544


Having problems separating reality from fantasy ?

Over extreme about religion like some priest ?

Maybe not extreme enough like some priests ?

Sounds like two Jerusalems New and Old. Let’s not leave out the Roman Empire

So why didn’t the Arch Angles show up to defend new Jerusalem from Rome ?

c8dde8  No.727545

It's Smiley. Sage and report.

675aed  No.727554


Yes tools given to us

But why do so many lead fellow followers of the one on the cross ?

The whole time Silver was dropping they were telling there flock to buy.

You were created evil then giving the fruit to see good.

Why do this evil you were created to do ?

675aed  No.727556

The first thing Eve did was cover up.

You should always cover your self. As in cover your investments if they go bad.

Don’t be extreme and cover your whole body with a sheet

e56d55  No.727594


Not the book I'm reading.

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