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 No.132508[Reply]

Do not start threads just to ask a question; post your questions in a pre-existing thread instead. Previous thread: http://archive.is/5peEz FAQ: http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion/fringe/faq.html Meguca: https://meguca.org/fringe Fringebay: http://fringebay.com/fringe

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 No.133432

File: 5eae321170f951c⋯.png (415.25 KB, 828x524, 207:131, sonofthegods.png)

>>133431

Just read John Kreiter's books.




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 No.77411[Reply]

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 No.133433[Reply]

 No.133436

wow how stupid




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 No.115838[Reply]

Archive link for old thread: http://web.archive.org/web/20180212212012/http://oxwugzccvk3dk6tj.onion/fringe/res/112718.html

Post your feedback in this thread. New posters are also welcome!

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 No.133383

>>133303

We stopped using this thread almost 18 months ago. Come to meguca if you want to do this.


 No.133396

>>133297

Don’t be prey to wishful thinking. I personally was told multiple times by blood anon that it had worked for me, even recently.

He is a very competent magician and his divination skills are legit, but he is simply deluded about this whole situation, possibly misunderstood some piece of gnosis and ran with it. In time everything will fall into place, so that’s not a problem, really.

As I said, it was useful for me. A nice ride. Try it if you want. The only problem I see is if you lose your critical thinking along the way and you never develop past the LARP. But that means you weren’t going to make it anyway.


 No.133425

>>133396

Isn't it possible that you yourself are prey to wishful thinking? After you realized for yourself that physical immortality is bound to suck and you found you made a horrible mistake…isn't it you who tries hard to deny what is happening? Maybe you want to post a request for Blood and/or the Undead Gods to try and remove the zero particle from you as long as it's not too late, if it's even possible. Even if it's just a roleplay, at least it would put you at ease and make you feel better.

For me, the spell that I received from Master Blood Anon back then that made me create my own god particle healed and upgraded my body and mind. It's a miraculous transformation.


 No.133428

>>133425

What you said doesn't make any sense, but I'm glad it helped you as well.

My point is that it doesn't matter if your body lives forever or not. You are not stuck.


 No.133435

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>>133428

OY! DON'T COME AT ME WITH THAT "DOESN'T MAKE SENSE" CRAP!

Just go and spam meguca some more with your maegrwhateverthefuck cabal shilling. No, actually don't do it. Rumors have it you guys have shilled your black corps larp so much that the whole egregore is broken. They say black goo comes out of the tent when you open it. YOU'VE DONE IT! I hope someone will clean this mess up.




 No.132053[Reply]

Will be the time the great American Civil War takes off.

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 No.132145

Can't wait to mock you 3 months from now.


 No.132147

>>132144

So what's the piece of information that confirms for you that something will happen in that time frame


 No.132160

File: fe960e3acf2a808⋯.mp4 (1.86 MB, 320x240, 4:3, i know something i won't t….mp4)

>>132053

>Civil War

>i know something i won't tell

>/fringe/


 No.132260

File: 485f23d11170d50⋯.jpg (17.98 KB, 474x355, 474:355, burger.jpg)

It's pretty soon isn't it?

Wow, who tought amerifats had still enough intelligence and will left to rise up and kill ZOG. That sure is surprising.

You know…the image of a horde of burgers rising up, rushing onwards on their segways to fight for what's right…pretty inspiring stuff. Just make sure you let us non-burgers know when it starts.

And good luck OP.


 No.133434

>>132053

It doesn't seem like there's anything close to a happening, 45 days left I guess




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 No.133097[Reply]

Wu Wei is the ideal of learning, doing, being; when one attains this to this state they accomplish very much with no effort. Remember also this; that for God there is no effort. All things are possible in him. So to be like God is not to struggle at all but to be in perfect harmony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei

When your body is not aligned [形不正],
The inner power will not come.
When you are not tranquil within [中不靜],
Your mind will not be well ordered.
Align your body, assist the inner power [正形攝德],
Then it will gradually come on its own.

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 No.133209

>>133197

>not being a virgin chad

>Laozi values weakness and inaction.

More like wisdom, patience, letting it flow.

Both are about being one with the flow, but one is passive and indirect.

Everything is about feedback; either you wait for the feedback to move on, or you provide the feedback yourself to lead the flow or create your own concurrent flow to compliment the Tao


 No.133239

>>133097

It's as above so below, not as below so above. The good things you do are a reflection of good things happening upstairs first. You became healthy above to make good choices and lose weight down stairs, you don't realize it.


 No.133418

>>133208

Dude, we're talking about China. Confucianism in its primary form is all about social immobility- the universal hierarchy of the universe. If you are in your place, you should be happy. Otherwise you'll just upset the balance and become sad.

>>133209

No no no, in the book itself Laozi many times mentions forefeiting one's intellect and wisdom and moving into a state of no intellect of our own and being guided only by the universe, like the insane. This message is later on strengthened by Zhuangzi and some stories of both overlap.

That part about being water is true in itself, but it's not the whole picture.


 No.133424

>>133239

That's not true. As above, so below, but as you make changes below, they reflect above as well. The process is bidirectional.

Source: my own experience.


 No.133426

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>>133239

>It's as above so below, not as below so above.




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 No.79585[Reply]

If you want to astral project then imagine yourself outside of your body. That is all that is required. This immediately places your awareness within a thoughtform on the mental planes. All the various techniques of astral projection that are described are just different ways to imagine this. You can sit down tonight and think up hundreds of different ways to imagine this and carry it out yourself, you don't need to go around asking people to give you examples like the rope technique and so on.

>but no it can't be that simple

It is that simple. There is no need to over-complicate this.

>but I can't imagine for shit

Then you need to develop your imagination. Make use of all the senses and imagine different things. Create thoughtforms and pay attention to how your emotions, intent, and beliefs change how these thoughtforms can operate. Use thoughtforms for EVERYTHING.

>but I want to remote view or remote influence people/places/situations in this world and timeline

Then you need to imagine that. Do this through the intention to be out of your body and viewing something within a given time and place. If your intention is to prove astral projection doesn't real or if you are plagued by doubts and negative emotions which make you feel it can't be done, you need to get over that.

>but I have no faith and I'm a cynical skeptic

Practice raja yoga and discover your real self and the powers of that real self. Seek out experiences that will prove to you the reality of perception of distant scenes and related occult phenomena. Study idealist philosophy and seek logical proofs and metaphysical explanations that make the reality of astral projection easy for you to accept. Convince all aspects of your mind from the intellect to the gut-feeling to the emotional and so on of the reality of what you can do when you put your will to it.

>bullshit occultist! bullshit occuPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.133354

>>133351

What the fuck are you saying?


 No.133356

>>133345

>No, seriously. That "you're guest here. Not a god" comment sounds rather intimidating, just robbing me of power and agency.

What the fuck are you saying?


 No.133406

>>79585

>Why you have taken it upon yourself to discourage everyone from the study of occultism? >There is no harm in it and it prepares the way for the attainments.

>thers is no harm in it

you have no idea


 No.133420

I've only managed to do it once successfully but every time I try I have the feeling that something grabs me and tries to pull me down. Is that normal or is there a way that doesn't feel like I'm being dragged to some sort of underworld?


 No.133423

>>133420

Try to let yourself be dragged. I've been dragged down to places before and it has never been a bad experience.

Always remember that your emotional state is your body out there. Keep calm and in control of your emotions and you have all the tools you need.

If in doubt, practice emotional transmutation. Try to feel different emotions at will, change a spontaneous emotion into another, etc.

That skill will come in handy in your daily life and in the afterlife as well.

Advice for everyone on this thread: read Robert Bruce's Out of Body trilogy.




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 No.125451[Reply]

I was largely believed that most things esoteric were complete wastes of time. Entertaining perhaps, but little else. Then about a year ago I had many synchronicities - just one after another after another - that woke my mind up to the fact that I've been ignoring things my whole life. Since then, I've dived head-first into all these things, experimenting personally with claims I find interesting.

One of those interesting subjects is crystals. As a child, geology and mineralogy were subjects I greatly enjoyed, so when I happened upon info on "Vogel crystals," of course I bought a couple cheap Chinese-produced ones to test. If nothing else, I just got a couple pretty stones to display, right? I bought a small clear quartz Vogel and a medium-sized lab regrown citrine quartz.

I started skeptically, but quickly I found that these things have many secrets. I first followed an old video of Marcel Vogel, clearing and programming them. Afterward, I held one and pointed it at my hand and felt an invisible ripple wherever I pointed it at my opposite hand.

After a couple months of experimenting, here are the interesting experiences I've had with them:

- Temporary (several hours) relief of my wrist tendonitis when used on the area.

- When placed near my head as I sleep, with the male point facing my head, I have vivid dreams again. When I sleep without them, or with them away from my head, I sleep as normal.

- I once fell asleep with the citrine in my right hand. My phone was next to me, and at some point I put my other hand on it. My phone vibrated when I got a text, but at the same time, for the same duration, the citrine in my right hand also vibrated, and very strongly! I've tried to reproduce this but have had no luck.

- A day or two after getting the citrine, I was waving it around my hand, bored at the time. I absently thought "burn, burn" as I circled the palm of my hand. I then got distracted and put it away. The next day, I decided to try using it on the solar plexus chakra (citrine supposedly resonates there). I used it there, nothing really happened, and I went to work. An hour and a half in, and I had the absolute worst cramps of my lifPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.133326

File: c95c158cda390f5⋯.png (410.4 KB, 925x570, 185:114, ClipboardImage.png)

>>133301

To balance the body, anyone can use the lower chakra crystals. red orange or maybe yellow or green crystals, not purple or anything.

I'm thinking something red for your case.

The clear ones might be nice too.


 No.133346

>>133308

You have no idea what men want. Women go insane without a father. My advice is to spam Owen Benjamin videos and to learn to run. You can do both at the same time. Seeing a man act like a man will change your thinking right away in ways you can't imagine. Running properly will make staying in shape painless and enjoyable.

Owen Benjamin:

https://www.unauthorized.tv/programs/owens-epic-livestreams-aae263

https://www.youtube.com/user/owenbenjamincomedy/videos

Running technique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaYQwq6TnXY

Male attraction isn't completely physical. Don't get desperate and start lying and shapeshifting, it's an instant turn off. They can see your soul shine through your face if you accept the truth and work on yourself. Look for genuine mutual attraction and love, never lies. Developing a hard skill also indicates that you're not a liar and have an eye for beauty and still growing/alive. Biblical Christianity without any churches is the next big thing. Get a KJV Bible and pray to God about everything. Praying to God should always be the first thing you do. Pray for God to help you.


 No.133349


 No.133352

>>133346

>>133346

Concerning the Bible and Christianity, beware of these things:

>PARANORMAL DECEPTION

>dogmatism

>falsehood & lies

>powerful demonic entities acting under the guise of Christendom such as the "Demiurge construct"

Aside from.these things, the anon writing this post to you (me) is a believer in Jesus.


 No.133421

File: a598f064667e50e⋯.jpg (60.39 KB, 640x608, 20:19, very hard.jpg)

This thread made me place all my quartz under my head pointing towards me and my dreams have been real vivid ever since. I will need to wait some days to be sure this is not a coincidence.




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 No.133398[Reply]

I have a German WW2 war merit cross which belonged to a nameless soldier supposedly from the battle of Monte Cassino. The story goes that he was blown up in an explosion. By analysing the medal one side is clearly damaged and completely unrecognisable of any insignia with the other side displaying the Swastika and left largely intact.

One night I had a dream that I saw a transparent WW2 German soldier running somewhere. As soon as I saw him I called "Halt! Soldat!!" With that he became clearly visible, no longer transparent, turned towards me and ran at me shouting in German.

I'm unsure if the dream was a coincidence with the medal being in my room, but it got me thinking as to find out who the original owner was and contact him through spiritual means. I'm willing to do whatever it takes. I've thought about drawing blood and pouring it on the medal to invoke the spirit somehow but am relatively clueless on how to communicate with the dead. My intent is not malicious but rather to reawaken the spirit from it's slumber and see what it has to say.

Attached photo is not the actual as I'm on holiday and cannot take a picture.

 No.133415

>>133398

"halt soldat"

"אני אידיוט יהודי!"

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 No.133416

>>133415

Shit that was supposed to translate as "I'm Jewish asshole!" not "I'm a Jewish idiot!" Damned Google Translate.


 No.133419




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 No.133414[Reply]

hey /fringe/…why is everybody honking at me in their cars all of a sudden?

(Rule 2 & 3)


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 No.133357[Reply]

Do you guys know some rituals that actually work? I don't care if satanic, occult or whatever.

Pic unrelated

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 No.133377

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>>133365

it's easy…if you ever go to church before they do mass they will teach you how to do it

technically you aren't supposed to wear it…it is just like prayer beads to help you keep track of prayers


 No.133393

>>133377

>90% of the rosary (every brown bead) is dedicated to Mary

>other 10% are half-hearted token prayers to God, written by a materialistic cesspool of a church

Just say your own prayers and leave Mary out of it, you'll get better results from expressing your own personal thoughts than just mindlessly reciting words on a piece of paper. Especially words written by a political pseudo-church, doubly so for a church that ended up that way due to a hostile spiritual takeover.


 No.133402

File: 9db79e8c5eec1fc⋯.jpg (29.56 KB, 320x239, 320:239, maryisis.jpg)

>>133393

eh? of course this is /fringe/, not /christian/


 No.133411

>>133402

>discern the eternal truth in christianity and point it out

>this triggers the christcuck


 No.133412

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>>133411

I am not a theologian, and all i really have to know right from wrong is my own subjective experiences…however, i will say…

here's what i believe: (as a Christian-gnostic) the eternal truth is Mary and the virgin birth of the Messiah, and this probably is that "truth" that the ALL (God) chooses to emphasize, perhaps due for his intention or his love for His Son (i don't deny those Bible facts that are just as possible as any other religion)

…however that is not to say that, for instance…those people who experienced the "Divine Feminine" in past times through Goddesses like Isis/Ishtar/etc… were not experiencing the same entity that is the Christian Mary, who to me represents the "Divine Feminine" as we know Her in the modern times (especially seeing the prevalence and popularity of Mary)

it is a mystery left to God, at least as a mortal I have never been given "secret evidence" but rather I am a mortal before God

the Jews believed that anything that was not Jewish was Satanic or whatever…they might be right, but they are only one civilization out of so many who believed otherwise so….

Even if Jesus and Mary and the Apostles in their day believed that all other religion was evil and that Jews were the only people who had any real spiritual truth…even so, based on all of my experiences I have to still side with logic to the best of my ability and all of my personal experiences




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 No.131276[Reply]

ITT we share different fashions that a fringe wizard would wear

What do you wear on your nonethereal body?

I'll start off with this semi-casual mage gear. With this you can blend in with the mundanes while still be prepared for mage school training.

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 No.133187

File: 754aed93a97d635⋯.jpg (103.13 KB, 634x756, 317:378, 30B3DC9100000578-0-image-a….jpg)

…i have only made about two posts in the past hour. I always have very high quality and educated posts

The internet is full of tricks and disinformation

This is my first post in this thread


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 No.133204

>>133187

>full of tricks and disinformation

>high quality and educated

I, too, am a poster of extraordinarily educating and high quality information.


 No.133371

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Should i wear bearsuit to protect myself from profanity of the world?


 No.133405

>>133371

>dat manlet

Painful




 No.132886[Reply]

I think that Joseph is Jesus's Earthly Father.

I brought this up in a theology group and was rather condemned for it so I want to search out this matter more as to arrive to a more definite conclusion.

I don't think "virgin" meant what it does now, back then.

Here are some random articles that talk about it:

https://bible.org/question/mary%E2%80%99s-lineage-one-gospels

https://outreachjudaism.org/marys-genealogy/

http://montalk.net/gnosis/187/mosaic-abuse-of-demiurgic-technology

http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1908-09mysticchristianity.pdf (see chapter 2 "The Mystery of the Virgin Birth")

What is the truth about the lineage of Jesus and the manner in which he was born into this world?

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 No.133053

>>132886

cringe

>>132889

cringe

>>132890

cringe

>>132891

cringe

>>132899

cringe

>>132904

cringe

>>132905

cringe

>>132908

cringe

>>132913

cringe

>>132914

cringe

>>132942

cringe

>>132953

cringe

>>133052

cringe


 No.133063

>>132942

I'm pretty drunk rn, here's your hahahahaah


 No.133222

>>132942

Based!


 No.133397

>the supernatural must obey natural rules

What?

What is omnipotence?

I dont think it matters either way if you believe Jesus was who he was


 No.133401

>>133053

>filthy christcucks think they can be wizards




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 No.121014[Reply]

I don't belong on this earth and am seriously contemplating suicide. I have been for many years (I'm 21) and basically as I grow older the thoughts are turning from an unconscious desire to be free from the suffering into a conscious realization of the absolute agony that the rest of my life will be. Basically all I have to look forward to is a life of prayer on my knees begging God to give me the strength to bear the weight of this miserable, stupid, dark world which I am forced to live in.

I don't believe in heaven or hell but I do believe in a many dimensional universe and life after physicality. However I know that I know nothing so I came here to get some perspective. Is suicide the right call?

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 No.133384

If someone was gonna kill themself they wouldn't make that face silly


 No.133385

File: 009b18e6077246a⋯.jpg (44.37 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, elbane.jpg)

>>121935

You're a depressed guy!


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 No.133392

>>133370

You don't want to throw away God's gift. He's badass, but you have to try to find it. When you finally see it, every moment of Hell is worth it. You'd give up everything, even your own soul, for that one thing.


 No.133430

File: 779278bdd18425d⋯.png (425.47 KB, 640x565, 128:113, dio.png)

>>133392

>god's gift

>have to find it

>give up everything including your soul for it

Sounds shitty already. We have to keep slaving and suffering away here just to maybe find, maybe not, some illusive "gift" in the middle of hell and potentially even sacrifize our own soul for it…. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN TRICK ME THAT EASILY? What kind of brainfart would fall for this obvious bullshit? It's so disgusting…that it makes me burst…INTO A LAUGH!

Keep chasing your shitty easter egg, hylic bitch-bunny. The worst part is that you seem to imply I'm throwing some badass gift of god away by liberating myself with that method above >>133372 >>133370 but then go on to make me run the endless maze and try to find it first…. G R O T E S Q U E.




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 No.133307[Reply]

In this thread post all of the atrocious misinformation you've read on /fringe/ over the years…

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 No.133353

>>133332

I read some of it but not the whole thing. I got maybe a third to half way through. My best guess would be the curse is a system of beliefs and thoughts the author held that caused a chain reaction upon an evocation that was not up to his standards. Of course he did say he has seen it happen to others. Im not sure personally, I don't really do typical evocation.


 No.133386

>>133307

here are some things I've learned when going through misinformative things.

1. Wicca/witchery books are frequently nothing more than lesbocentric rambles that obsess over the feminine ideal and completely leave out the masculine ideal.

2. Crowley lies in his books at times, which he did on purpose, for all we know the "master therion" he talked about could've been something else.

3. Demiurge paranoiacs think they are doing the world a service by "warning" the people about it, but they are in fact, the ones perpetuating it in the first place. They would be better off not talking about it or believing in it in the first place.

4. Many places and forums confuse astral projection with dreams and lucid dreaming. Dreams and the astral are vastly different experiences.

5. There is very little overlap between schizophrenia and the occult, except when occult phenomena occurs beyond a schizo's endless dreaming-awake state.

6. Ancient books and texts (this includes The Bible) had very different meanings with the words they used, compared to today. Most of what's in these books is truthful, but it's not what we think it is, and that's a result of human nature.


 No.133388

>>133386

>3. Demiurge paranoiacs think they are doing the world a service by "warning" the people about it, but they are in fact, the ones perpetuating it in the first place. They would be better off not talking about it or believing in it in the first place.


 No.133389

>>133388

Is this really possible to conclude given that the Gnostics were a famous sect from ancient history and that this teaching is in fact an ancient teaching?


 No.133390

>>133386

Why invalidate others' experiences when it is just as reasonable or just as plausible as what you or anybody else would believe.

I understand it's not the venerable teachings of an ancient Church, an inheritance of a culture which "conquered the known world" but still if you invalidate others' spiritual experiences are you not possibly 'suppressing truth'?




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