How is Russia even military relevant in the world? Their economy is trash and their tech is horrible. It is truly an amazing thing that they are still a major player in world militarizes today. They must be the most militarist country, of size, in the world, since they have nothing but their military going for them. The resources are good, but resource based economies are not strong anymore.
>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?
they produce their own shit. this means they can get get stuff for, basically, as cheap as they want (as long as its more then materials+production costs), instead of sending countless milions into private corporations so they can eternally research not working airplanes
aditionally, gdp doesnt really mean shit and all these big numbers dont mean anything. what is important is buying power
>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?
All their shit is produced in Russia, at prices dictated by the government, and they still have a huge amount of Soviet era gear to equip everyone but their A1 units with. In simplest terms, they get more for 1$ than you (or we) get for 1$, and there's a lot that they don't need to spend a penny for.
>Also: Dem nooks.
They aren't spending 3 trillion dollars on a single airplane, they go for cheaper solutions and their engineers spend more time optimizing than they do being "creative". This results in very efficient R&D and tool acquisition. In terms of their military industrial complex it is a lot more streamlined, they have a single tank factory which is fed by a few materials processing plants and smelters, which are in turn fed by dedicated mines. They go from dirt to tank in the same 300 mile radius and their entire process is a lot more industrialized. In the west a single tank part has its sub-parts made in a dozen different factories milled out of solid blocks of steel which is NOT INDUSTRIALIZED it is a crafts based manufacturing, the part then gets shipped to a dozen different places so "qualified" people can screw a single screw in, or deburr it, or paint it, none of which is done in a single place.
The same effect occurs on their training schedules. The western model has a person training about how ideologically right we are, how to treat women and where the fire extinguisher is for over two thirds of the training schedule, want to guess how much of a Russian conscript is focused on those topics? They tend to do larger group exercises, which include entire armies, whereas west tends to train at a platoon or brigade level at best. Larger exercises are more cost effective, you get more bang for your buck in terms of experience.
>their tech is horrible
In many areas it's ahead of ours, most of the areas that matter for warfare. For example our scramjet research stalled until we bought their research from the ukrainians in the 90s. They're ahead in all missile tech and propulsion excepting hydrogen storage, they're ahead in ordinance and warhead tech, shaped explosives, ahead in some types of armor, they have cheaper and more efficient body armor for example… And they aren't willing to settle for multirole designs.
>muh F35 joke
>everything Russian just werks because BASED
Russia has no free press to point out when a project is crashing and burning forever so it goes unnoticed. Russian jet engines also have somewhere around half or two thirds less of a life span as western engines. Their navy is a rusted out mess they sold to Pepsi for scrap and the fact that they are investing so heavily into warcrime containers for merchant ships shows how confident they are in their ability to fight a real war. Their radar and transistor tech has always been behind and they never developed the CNC machine without smuggling some from japan in the 80s. Megafactories are also a liability, not an advantage.
They are massively ahead in electronic warfare, they prefer passive methods and are very advanced in areas like QWIPs.
You simplified something I explained in detail to the point where it made no sense, their stuff doesn't "just werk" and no one in the thread said anything close to that. I explained in detail why their training and equipment costs less, it is not because they accept a lower standard, it is not because they have different purchasing power - they have been forced to streamline and are a lot more efficient.
Megafactories are easier to defend than distributed factories, their tooling can be moved easily if they're threatened, and western countries don't distribute factories for protection that's ludicrous. The only real threat is a nuke, and if you're fighting with nukes your production power is a moot point anyway.
Their engines have a shorter midlife refit time because they have less maintenance cycles throughout their life and are used and abused far more than desk jockeys would permit in the west, it's not an issue of design or QC difference. This is a better way for them to do things for themselves, it might not work for us but it clearly works for them.
>warcrime containers for merchant ships
If you withdraw from the treaty, it's no longer a warcrime. At least that's the modus operandi of western governments.
While we're on the topic of naval warfare…. ever notice how Western warships have no effective ordnance to engage another warship? The torps are low range and the missiles are subsonic with a pitiable warhead, easily swatted out of the sky with CIWS by the hundreds. And since the west stole missile designs and turned them into target drones, it's clear that the west can also make supersonic anti ship missiles but chooses not to be capable of attacking warships Also Western ships have no effective defenses against foreign warships, the CIWS coverage is pathetic, there is no armor around crucial components whatsoever, and all Western ships carry their torpedo tubes and missile tubes mounted to the deck where they are vulnerable. Given the fact that Western ships can't fight other warships it stands to reason they exist purely to blow up civilian shipping, and given the size of the western navies they are clearly designed to blow up civilian shipping across the entire globe simultaneously. Even the submarines are built with a single hull and stainless goddamn steel, a design not useful for fighting enemy submarines, clearly designed to increase their raw numbers and danger to civilian shipping. The only warships with any punching power are air defense cruisers, but that's not an offensive weapon so much as a means to prevent the civilians' governments from protecting them. Don't throw stones in glass houses especially after providing sarin to sandniggers.
I'm not going to dignify the press comment with a response.
>Russian jet engines also have somewhere around half or two thirds less of a life span as western engines.
IMO that's a good thing. That way you can replace them with better ones while keeping the sexy airframe.
>Their navy is a rusted out mess they sold to Pepsi for scrap and the fact that they are investing so heavily into warcrime containers for merchant ships shows how confident they are in their ability to fight a real war. Their radar and transistor tech has always been behind and they never developed the CNC machine without smuggling some from japan in the 80s. Megafactories are also a liability, not an advantage.
Okay, I'll bite. These are the issues of coming out of communism. The current American issues are the ones of going into it.
Comparing economies in dollars only works when everyone is paying it's energy (oil and gas) in dollars.
Russia is the only developed country that doesn't, de facto making the whole exercise largely pointless.
What should be compared is what the Russian military is buying in rubles and compare it to the cost of similar equipment is costing the US military to create a military PPPm ratio that could yield a decent comparison. Except we can't as detailed figures are largely classified in Russia.
What can be done is looking at the export market, and knowing that those are for profit exports (while domestic purchases may run at a loss, with the export profits covering part of that loss, the companies are state owned and are regularly on technical bankruptcy).
This tells us they can probably buy a T-90M for the price of one track of a M1A2 SEP v3.
Which suddenly makes the rubble and the Russian economy (PPPm) way way way bigger that the dumb "market conversion rate" GPD makes it appear.
It also works for commercial goods (but far less as those are transit goods import/export) which reflects on the fact that onnormal PPP weighting Russia GPD is suddenly between Japan and Germany.
It's still quite far from the US but Russia doesn't have a population anywhere close to 50% of that of the US.
US shit is MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY overpriced.
Honestly, given a choice of military procurement, I would focus on buying euroshit, including ruskies.
>They must be the most militarist country, of size, in the world
OF ALL COUNTRIES THE USA SAYS THIS!!!
>Okay, I'll bite. These are the issues of coming out of communism. The current American issues are the ones of going into it.
in addition to massive purchasing power parity variation, something like 35 percent of russian economy is grey market and barter system.
Where does the Wagner group fit into Russia's strategy?
>and their tech is horrible
If a war broke out between Russia and USA (It won't, because they're both good goyim), I would bet
my Germany's money on Russia winning.
You all are fucking retards, think about what you wish for first instead of going all in brainless contrarianism. You fucking leftist sympathizer scum.
>he posts a picture of a plane that eventually flew again
Lockheeb isn't sending their best
But if the west has a problem, then logically what Russia does must be the solution!
Joke aside, I hope we never have to find out which side is better. Ideally we'll just have another century of each side annihilating illiterate shitskins clumsily wielding the equipment of the other side. Any real war would likely lead to a new hierarchy with China and India on top while Europe rebuilds regardless of which side comes out on top.
> Russia has no free press
Implying the USA has.
When ussr got blasted by yet another international sanctions for the yet another pointless war in Afghanistan, even kremlin retards started to think that would be neat doing pointless wars abroad without getting blasted by sanctions. So in 1992 they send a """private""" military company of """cossacks""" to Moldova for the purpose of supporting so-called Transnistria - a literal commie mishmash of North Korea and Somalia created to fuck Moldova for life and make it completely dependent from kremlin. Sanctions didn't happen, thus """private""" military companies continued to fuck russian allies by supporting growing list of literal commie North Korea-Somalia hybrids on the ex-ussr territory. Currently they are becoming more active in the more distant places.
Private military companies are literally illegal in russia, I'm not even kidding. Two creators of the direct Wagner's group predecessor (Славянский корпус) were jailed. But in the authoritarian asian countries some people are more equal that others and simply above the law. Technically the former GRU officer Dmitry Utkin is Wagner's group leader, and it's controlled by one of the most corrupt and closest putin's buddies (((Evgeny Prigozhin))).
It literally doesn't exist?
It's an SBU invention that frame the loose GRU management system they have for neo-cossacks as something big and spooky that could explain how the mighty ukrainian army keeps getting it's ass kicked.
It stem from the Georgian war where "volunteers" companies (mostly tied to Caucasus republics own administrations) messed up some of the operational planning of the Russian high command by using the scarce roads to get into Georgia and did quite a bit of looting, which while pretty standard for the area, didn't please Moscow one bit.
Since then they have decided that while they won't quell that "cossack spirit" (of people going of to war to defend Russian interests on a personal basis… Why the fuck would they?) but that it need to at least be coordinated with the Genshtab.
So the GRU, that already had a lot of experience with it directly controlling local battalions in Chechnya, inherited the cat herding duty.
>Given the fact that Western ships can't fight other warships it stands to reason they exist purely to blow up civilian shipping
Yes, obviously our DDGs are designed to use their billion-dollar sensors and enormous AA/ASW armament to kill unprotected merchants.
>Even the submarines are built with a single hull and stainless goddamn steel, a design not useful for fighting enemy submarines, clearly designed to increase their raw numbers and danger to civilian shipping
Correct, it's literally impossible for subs to do any other job, they'll spontaneously explode if they try to torpedo any of those big, expensive, completely defenseless capital ships that the Russians love to build.
>The only warships with any punching power are air defense cruisers, but that's not an offensive weapon so much as a means to prevent the civilians' governments from protecting them.
This. At least a state press admits its a biased mouthpiece.
Russia doesn't have 1 million dollars of unfunded liabilities per citizen.
Its a western misreading of the situation. Like calling the aor america stunt CIA pulled a "private military company". Its literally just some contract soldiers who are judged to be either high skill or desperate, sent to do jobs no one is dumb or courageous enough to do. Like an american crop dusting pilot looking squarely in the face of waiting for his two years older brother to die before he can inherit an iowa corn farm and deciding that maybe transporting cocaine and little boys so CIA can fuel another horror story is a better immediate term prospect. The tune might be different but the dance is the same, its a government controlled op kept at arms length so when theyre finally thrown into a cauldron and cooked, there can be no wailing Mothers Against War CIA controlled NGOs wailing - but in general they have less training and shittier equipment than a regular russian army unit.
They would be million dollar sensors if the buyer (congressman, general) and seller (their golf buddy at raytheon) weren't openly and boldly discussing how to defraud the retarded pseudo-serf taxpayer.
>enormous AA/ASW armament
Do you mean physically large? Our largest torpedo is considered "medium armament" in Russia, and it can dive to 1200ft while the Russian subs can dive to 2000ft. It's too short ranged to get close to their surface shipping, which have tiny heat seeking torpedoes that can fuck up a Mk48's day we are just now thinking about introducing anti torpedo torpedoes and the media is making a huge deal out of it jizzing all over their keyboards
THE MAIN TORPEDO CLEARLY DOESN'T EXIST TO SHOOT THEIR SHIPS OR SUBMARINES
It's literally designed to hit cargo ships.
Oh and the same altitude differential that favors high fighters firing on low altitude fighters works in reverse underwater. The sub that can go deeper has more advantage, since a torpedo has to explode under a vessel to disable it. It's a genuine physical performance advantage that we can't replicate.
Lol just turn the torpedo upside-down and detonate it above the lower sub. It’s not rocket surgery.
Shit it's so simple…. how could I have missed it?!
For one their soldiers aren't faggots and winkies riding on free college tuition.
Nationalized and streamlined production, a large healthy reservist system patriotism falling out of every orifice. If america takes 500,000 casualties they will have lost half the army, the people would riot, the cost would bring the country to its knees. If Russia took 1 mil to bring down the 500k, it would be seen as necessary sacrifice.
Then why do I feel that BRIC (namely the "R" and "C") could win a non-nuclear war (really wish I didn't need to emphasize that, but that's morons for you) against USA and NATO?
Also, no one knows how to into Anglais anymore.
they can rape everyone in europe while the US is too busy playing police officer to stop
Submarines cant fire bellow a certain depth because tubes get fucked up, i think around 700ft-1000ft is the maximum depth a torpedo can be safely fired
If you want to learn something about submarine warfare play Cold Waters
>For one their soldiers aren't faggots
Interesting mistake on my part.
What are you talking about? We don't use compressed air to launch torpedoes anymore, the tube is fully flooded by ambient water.
So getting drafted in Russian is basically prision time without a reason with rape included?
every draft is like that.
conscription is slavery
>every draft is like that.
>conscription is slavery
Kill yourself numale. Only anti-war fags who get drafted into worthless literally-who divisions complain about conscription. I was a paratrooper and it was top-tier. I still miss it. My buddies served in mountain-divisions and they fucking loved the operating in there too. Again, the only ones complaining are the fags who join sissy-tier cannon fodder divisions. Airdropping in the middle of the pitch-black night in a swamp with literally 80kg of equipment on me and then marching for 5 miles through mud and rocks was the most radical experience in my life.
>conscription is slavery
>conscription is slavery
It's not slavery but more like attempt to remove the soy out of boy by force.
But you also forget that many Russian oligarchs bribe their sons of the bitches out of conscription. Oh and their medical check ups upon duty call can be a big joke.
>conscription is slavery
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with conscription. In matter of fact I support the idea of some sort of national service.
Conscription is shit if you're forced to fight for jewish interests.
>conscription isn't slavery
It literally is. What are you thinking with, you dumb fucks? Saying it's somehow good because it "makes men" is the same as saying that prison time builds character. Fuck you and your worthless nations that deserve to die and be spit on by jews if you think that enslaving citizens is somehow a good measure and adds your shithole merit. Kill yourselves, you worthless serfs.
>being a slave-bitch for jewish bankers makes you a man
See, we need to invite Russia to Six Eyes; much better than Euros.
>he doesn't want to overcome the challenges thrust upon him
>he doesn't want to learn valuable skills while doing so
>he doesn't want to use said skills to crash his jewish masters with no survivors
>he doesn't like natural selection
>he likes implying implications
here's a (you)
I liek borschtsch))))
Sounds like you should enlist in the military. Or do you need to be forced in along with thousands of leftists and muslims learning the same skills?
you dont even have a nation to serve, just the state
No, they just didn't update the commie conscription model. We had it here too, it's remembered for the widespread bullying. My dad told me of what happened to a young officer he knew – he was very formal, all orders and protocols, so his subordinates took out a knife, put it to his neck, and forced him to scrub the whole floor with his toothbrush while he cried and begged for mercy. No real consequences as the officer was told what would happen if he squealed. Dad just shrugged and went back to selling military surplus on the black market. Common practice with veterans was using newbies as their personal servants, sending them on "missions" like "go to the city and buy me a beer, with your own money. It better be fucking cold" and similar. Very little actual military training was being done as nobody really cared too much so long as shit was in order on paper. You can see the same shit by the end of the video with the poor shit being held at gunpoint.
>ooga booga we're all free ooga booga
A nation that doesn't force certain rules on it's people will be chaotic and ultimately useless. Anyone against conscription is a sissy turbofaggot and you can't prove me otherwise
Wew lad. I would have accidentally the whole barracks where it happened with some ordinance, shot anyone who got in the way, stolen a vehicle and hauled ass out of there and left the country (if I didn't get my head split open.)
3 843 men died between 1964 and 1989 here during their mandatory conscription period, so who knows, maybe someone did go postal on his "comrades". I doubt it, though – they usually an heroed. As for ordnance… Every proper base did have a munitions depo, sure, but that depo was fucking empty most of the time. But it was guarded – conscripts guarding an empty fucking depot, writing protocols about how they guarded it, checking the fucking seal on the lock, and if anything was amiss, some higher up was gonna rip them a new asshole. Shit, higher ups bullied lower ranks all the time too – some, for example, were on the lookout for any weapons they could steal from conscripts at an uguarded moment, hid it, and then gave them a massive dressing down for "losing" their weapon.
That's what conscription was: pointless, useless bullshit where you sought to cover your ass first, make sure the papers are in order second, and maybe try to steal some shit for yourself third. Almost no military training was being done save for some basic shit – you'd probably learn more if you spent a few afternoons at the range. Most of the tasks being given were bullshit in similar vein - stuff that is useless but looks great on paper.
Seeing that russkie video seemed to fit the bill quite perfectly, so I assume that's how things still are over there.
>nation that doesn't force certain rules on it's people
A nation is it's people, you parasitic scum. How can one talk about nations so much, yet be so detached from them?
For you? I'd call you a bug but you're worse than that, you're your nation's jew and your arrogant obsession with sissies next to you in your army proves me best. I hope you die with everything you've ever hoped to achieve resulting in failure. You're worse than a communist and deserve an even worse treatment.
These things actually do sometimes happen here, though not even remotely as often as suicides. Both things aren't talked about, though, and the latter are probably one of the few things that can actually backfire for higher ranks that allow that if not incentivize.
>dying for Israel
nation doesnt have rules, it has traditions
now fuck off and go read something about ideology you suposedly believe in
>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?
It's a mystery…
>Russia has no free press to point out when a project is crashing and burning forever so it goes unnoticed
Spending a couple tens of billions instead of half trillion on it also helps.
Ignore the ruscuck. He's a self-described marxist and most likely also turkic.
i've never seen such an obvious and blatant projection, tbh. Are all Greeks insects similar to turkroaches?
Dude, we literally bought you from turks. Where do you thing the term "slave" comes from?
You also bought people from each other, does this mean you're just a separate breed of turks, greekworm?
>You also bought people from each other,
Please remind me… what country are the Altai mountains in?
Educate yourself, turkworm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece
You can't be anyone else but some rapeboy slave offspring, assuming you're even remotely greek and not a jew or turk larper. You wouldn't be so fond of asslicking and autofellation otherwise.
>A nation is it's people
>nation doesnt have rules, it has traditions
NOBODY SAID TO GET RID OF TRADITIONS OR THAT A NATION ISN'T THE PEOPLE YOU LITERAL DUMB GORILLA NIGGERFAGGOTS
A nation NEEDS someone to rule it and if that someone DOESN'T force certain rules on the population, it will turn into garbage within a millennium. You NEED to teach all your men how to be soldiers. Conscription is a GOOD thing.
How many centuries did the Turks spend raping the gene pool in Moscow? I think your Turk-hatred might hit closer to home than we thought, Μωάμεθ.
>A nation NEEDS someone to rule it
The jew cries as he spams you.
>it will turn into garbage within a millennium
The jew calls your nation garbage.
Does anyone even need further proof that he's a jew?
>You also bought people from each other,
I suppose it's a good think there weren't any altaics, niggers or even sandniggers in our greater vicinity back then.
>You can't be anyone else but some rapeboy slave offspring
Said the tatar accusing others about "projection".
>You wouldn't be so fond of asslicking and autofellation otherwise.
I think I can see why you are so mad about patriotic practices like conscription now. Is because Putin is repressing your sexuality?
>nations need no king ooga booga we're all free and independent :)
Boy I sure do remember the last time a group of people conquered lands and created civilization just by themselves and without a superior king to lead them and organise them.
>How many centuries did the Turks spend raping the gene pool in Moscow?
Apparently for as long as Moscow existed.
>The jew cries as he spams you.
I see where you are coming from bu you realize we only had a (((marxist))) government for the last half decade only, no?
>I suppose it's a good think there weren't any altaics, niggers or even sandniggers in our greater vicinity back then.
So, now you're jumping to another golapost, judaic turkworm?
>Said the tatar
So i'm tatar now?
>patriotic practices like conscription
<The jew thinks if he repeats a lit again it'll become true
You keep repeating it but everyone already knows that this is the only kind of argumentation that you're able to create
>we only had a (((marxist))) government for the last half decade only
Oh, but it seems you simply didn't need it. Judaism comes to you naturally.
Perhaps you don't remember the cultural origins of the west? Was your bloodline elsewhere at the time? It would explain your instinctive desire to kidnap white Christians to send them off to war.
>ITT: Yet another Orthodox civil war: imageboard boogalo
Reminder that turks were so retarded that rather than spreading their seed here they instead took women and children back to turkey, effectively spreading greek dna into their own population rather than doing the opposite
>Judaism comes to you naturally.
Bitch, you bet. We've been outjewing the Jew since 800BC.
That would imply that I deflected from my original point, which always was buying rape victims of turks out of White-ish solidarity and the kindness of our hearts:
>So i'm tatar now?
Most likely for the last 600 years.
How long would it take for Antifa soykin, innawoods Stalkers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists to rebel against their ZOG handlers should the US in CY+4 enact compulsory conscription for the purpose of spreading democracy to China or Iran following the loss.jpg of two supper carriers to hordes of suicide boats or some shit?
>We've been outjewing the Jew since 800BC
Well, seems like the jews are not the only ones you're outjewing, fellow white person.
>That would imply that I deflected from my original point
You did, you can re-read it if you're dumb enough to lose it already.
>Most likely for the last 600 years.
But you said i was turkic before, why did you change your opinion?
>retards still can't come up with an argument as to why a nation doesn't need a king
>Perhaps you don't remember the cultural origins of the west?
Draft-dodging was punishable by death in most ancient Greek city-states, especially Sparta which you lolbergs tend to fetishize.
So you're saying that turks and greeks are now genetically similar? I thought so but wasn't sure.
>Well, seems like the jews are not the only ones you're outjewing, fellow white person.
If only we had that much influence, we might as well helped our Indoeuropean brothers from uncucking themselves.
>You did, you can re-read it if you're dumb enough to lose it already.
>we literally bought you from turks
Yeap. Still the same.
>Sparta which you lolbergs tend to fetishize
Inland turks are a mix of whatever shitty mongolian and shitskin tribe around
The closer you get to Greece the more similar you get, mostly due to anatolian greeks still living there after the 1920s
>we might as well helped our Indoeuropean brothers from uncucking themselves
You? A jew is the reason of that cucking. If anything, you'd be fucking with them twice as much.
>Still the same
But why would you whine about muh proofs then, turkworm?
You should have considered not quoting a post with an argument. Under those circumstances, it is very difficult to come up with an argument.
>So you're saying that turks and greeks are now genetically similar?
Yes. Traitors and low-IQ plebs with not enough money to pay jizzya or fighting spirit to resist paying it tend to have similarities to their original ethnic background regardless of the amount of their inbreeeding. That's the funniest part. Russians are more turkic than the inbred Anatolo-mongrels calling themselves "turks" today are.
Well then, i invite everyone else on this board to treat our sperging out resident greekboys like the species they are and admit they are - roaches.
>he thinks he made an argument
Let me make it as simple as possible. With a king ruling and organising the people you get civilization and power. Without someone to lead the people you get africa.
>You? A jew is the reason of that cucking
I can understand why it's hard for your altaic ass to grasp that but one's language is usually bond to his ethnic affiliation and deep volkish culture. That's the main reason my illiterate grandma knew every "Grim Brothers'" folktale but had not the singlest clue who Aladdin, Sinbad or Ali Baba was.
That's as sensical as saying that all countries are retards because they isolated their genetic defects in special schools.
Ah, I had it mixed up; I forgot about the famous Greek birthplace of Autocracy, and the virile Roman Empire (before it decayed into a mere Republic)
> Without someone to lead the people you get africa.
Tbf to get that you also need a native population of inherently mentally deficient people see pic here:
Ask your grandma if she knew who Moses is next time, omegajew.
But your country is such a school.
So that "special" coastal school would explain why there are so many roaches in the regional merchant marine then?
>Ask your grandma if she knew who Moses is next time, omegajew.
Why don't you ask yours?
What a slimy little kike.
>many roaches in the regional merchant marine
What did he mean by this?
Oh yes, I almost forgot the (((USSR))) had completely banned non-muslim religion.
I recall a thread a couple months ago about it, most of the crew being Turks.
Think he confuses turkroaches with these species:
that achieved cosmopolitan status through maritime commerce.
Just to clarify. Believe us when we say it, this specific blattid species cannot learn how to swim, and we really tried to teach them.
That's called an "infestation", not a "crew".
>still evading the question
We're not going anywhere, ahmed goldstein.
Are you implying that your ancestors weren't abrahamic worshipers for the entirety of the last millennium up to the point when (((Lenin))) forbid them to on the pain of death?
>Are you implying that your ancestors weren't abrahamic worshipers for the entirety of the last millennium
Wow, you really double up on projections.
>Because they're Orthodox Christians and they love their Military Saints They also love to make atheists, mudslimes and kikes asshurt
Really nigger? Are you saying that you come from a 1100 years old line of Belobog-cultists that survived turkic and chechen allahu ackbaring, St. Olga's purges and the Red Terror? Must had been some really strong squat magic protecting you.
Not the anon you are quoting or even religious but I agree with him. Why the fuck should I tip my fedora to a religion that helped us to remain unislamified, uncucked and retain our ancestral language?
Keep going, you surely won't have to address the point if you try once more.
>you surely won't have to address the point if you try once more.
>said the one avoiding answering the question while I have answered all his
Yes, my grandmother was Christian.
Which White person's ancestors were not Christian at some point?
What was the religion of YOUR ancestors from 1100 to 1900 AD?
>Yes, my grandmother was Christian
>Which White person's ancestors were not Christian at some point?
Yours, you'd not jump around before telling us this lie if that was true, jew monkey.
Okay I now see what you try to imply but fortunately I can type out that Yahvee abandoned the Jews back in 160AD.
>Yahvee abandoned the Jews back in 160AD
So how did the jews manage to stay jews afterwards, i wonder?
By embracing Yahvee's twin sand-demon, Satan/Moloch/Baal or maybe Lilith given their matrilineal heritage.
Their economy being trash is a good reason why their military is relevant. Their military industrial system, while obviously not good, is not utterly, completely and absolutely pervasively corrupted like the US and many other euro countries are. They have competent designs and designers that perform effectively with a minuscule fraction of the bureaucratic clusterfuck, incompetence, general delays and cost. Their military advisers, planners and other doctrinal deciders have realistic and good ideas as well as the means to carry out their ideas. As an example, Russian radar has an entire network of high gain, medium, VHF, mobile, static and all the above that communicate and is virtually impenetrable when set up. Where, on the other hand, the concept of either offensive or defense radar doctrine & systems might as well not exist for the US, we have spotty and miscellaneous types of mobile radar and home soil radar is barely good for ATC.
>I get all my knowledge from video games
A mystery among mysteries, anon.
Careful with that, you'll give this guy >>665726 a stiffy.
>Dedovshchina encompasses a variety of subordinating or humiliating activities undertaken by the junior ranks: from doing the chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture, including sexual torture and rape (cases of forcibly sticking bottles of glass or metal objects inside of one's anus are common). When not leaving army seriously injured, conscripts can suffer serious psychopathology for their life time. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.
It's from wiki, I'm sure some parts are blown up, but I wouldn't discredit it fully. Hazing is very much part of militaries anywhere, though it ranges in harshness. I've heard the Korean conscripts were forced to wash their faces with human feces up unitl a couple years back and forced to defecate in front of hundreds, though I'm not sure of the veracity of such claims It seems that. conscription always brings the unwilling and worst into the army and I tend to be against it. However a militarist culture is indeed necessary for an effective army to be raised.in both voluntary forces and conscription based systems.
> sexual torture and rape
how is one supposed to build effective disciplined soldiers with a sense of hierarchy and seniority without those?
Not saying that it makes good warriors or effective militias with combat initiative but a non-officer soldier's main purpose is to be a broken frontline grunt with rudimentary appreciation of his own life.
Back on topic, can anyone knowledgeable on recent changes to the organisation of Russian internal forces into the national guard (iirc the consolidation of MVD, OMON, SOBR, OSN?) enlighten me about the background as to why this happened briefly, and if there are any plans to consolidate equipment and uniforms as I know that the former forces operated quite a wide variety of firearms, uniforms, and personal protection systems? Also why didn't these internal forces use the same equipment/slightly modified equipment as the regular armed forces?
>have the same backpack as 3rd pic Russian guy
But we're talking mandatory conscription here. You don't want EVERY male in your country to be fucking broken, that's just stupid.
Oh, but he does, he fully supports every European man to be a broken submissive coward, that way he can feel less miserable himself.
>You don't want EVERY male in your country to be fucking broken
No. Just 37% of them.
I am sure you are getting an erection as you type that but I have to admit I have absolutely no problem with using already broken willless cucks, potential commies and full blown criminals as frontline meatshields while the worthy men are in relative safety as a future eugenics' reserve.
>I am sure you are getting an erection
No, not really. Quit projecting, you fucking faggot.
>already broken willless cucks, potential commies and full blown criminals
Good description of the greek nation, tbh.
>Good description of the greek nation, tbh.
Also Russia. That's why we both need conscription.
Nah, you're just projecting your shithole state even though torture won't help it anyways.
>you're just projecting your shithole state
Weren't you sperging about muh baste putin a moment ago, kike?
He did his best to fix shit but 70 years of (((communism))) and even worse so 10 years of (((Yeltsin lolbergtardery))) aren't easy to repair.
>He did his best to fix shit but 70 years of (((communism)))
By praising communism, i guess.
AHAHAHA, now that's golden
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>Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.
>[nervous laughter intensifies]
>“I liked Communist and socialist ideas very much and I like them still.”
It was populism all along.
>[nervous laughter intensifies]
<It was libertarians, not communists robbing what's left after their rule during their downfall, amirite, fellow socialists?
I can agree to this.
Greekroach fails to understand that mandatory conscription in Sparta worked because the boys started their training fairly early in childhood and were raised in militant culture, they weren't pushed into homo camps at 18-19 and for merely a year or so. Though in Greece it varies because I know a guy born in Northern Epirus (currently occupied by Albania) who had to do 9 months since he's a repatriate. From what he said immigrants who gain citizenship have to do only 3 months.
The Czech is right about corrupt shithole bases. They're dysfunctional beyond belief. At the end of 80s my mother used to work near the barracks. One day a truck arrived and started unloading crates of canned rations in a bakery's backyard since that's the address they were given. Her owner tried to explain that the barracks are further down the road but delivery guys wouldn't have it because the invoice mentions this address period. Everyone in the bakery started taking rations home until few days later the local command started their investigation and found out about the bakery. Instead of simply taking the rations, they posted armed guards round the clock and thanks to classic commie bureaucracy it took them almost 3 weeks to get the paperwork done and pick up their stuff.
My dad was posted to these very barracks in either 1989 or 1990. It wasn't even full blown homo shit going down, it was more of daycare for guys with mentality of 5 years olds and a place to party for the officer class who didn't want to make a mess in their own unit. There were days when there wouldn't be anything to eat but alcohol was always abundant, the only guys not allowed to drink were the personal drivers of the officers. Draftees passed their days playing like little kids, trying to fix all the shit they'd broken, jerking off to playboy calendars and inviting local girls over. The biggest scandal that broke out at the time was when a drunk provisioner took a box of blank dog tags and gave them to the local kids. He fucked up big time because the nearby tenements were mostly for military families. All the retired zogbots were furious. The guy was court-martialled in no time and nobody heard from him again.
><It was libertarians, not communists robbing what's left after their rule during their downfall, amirite, fellow socialists?
>selling off all the national industry to plutocrats
>selling off most of their defense technology to Lockheeb
>selling off all their attractive women to pissrael and t*rkey
>leave the vast majority of the population in the immediate danger to either starve or freeze to death because 70 years of communist tyranny left them without money and that's not the problem of the private investors that bought off the food, fuel and timber industries
>i-IT WASN'T REAL CAPITALISM!
>communists doing communist stuff
<UH NO, LOOK IT'S CAPITALISM
>>>/leftypol/ and never return
All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.
>they weren't pushed into homo camps
They kinda literally were. Sparta was among the last city-state to abolish pederasty. Also why the fuck do I get the impression that homosexuality has epidemic proportions in Slav conscript forces? Here if you are not relieved from serving duties on the ground of claiming homosexuality it's further "don't ask and we will make sure that you don't tell"
<it's capitalism when communists are privatizing and monopolizing industry
You don't even understand what I said. They were pushed into military training when they were like 7 years old, it was an integral part of their upbringing. It's not the same as taking grown up soyboys and trying to make something out of them in a year's span, then throwing them back into the soy-addled society where they'll be expected to continue living wagecuck lives of comfort. If you want a nation of strong men, you have to raise them that way. When they're over 18 it's already over.
>privatizations are communism
>All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.
>said the recently Soviet Slav to the other recently Soviet Slav while the entirety of the Slav race was under full blown communism up until recently
Never claimed you can make true warriors out of soyboy cucks with conscription. You just secure a convenient cannonfodder and that in case of war you won't sacrifice your best for menial tasks while the soyboys, cowards and traitors stay back to repopulate and dysgenize.
>girl in no pasaran shirt
look at that face. She totally wants to get prison fucked. wtf.
>privatizations are communism
Not to intrude on your autistic shitflinging with the Russkie, but privatization is how ex-commies check out. I don't think there's been a single privatization deal done after communism ended that wasn't 100% corrupt on every level.
True but doesn't make the deal any less capitalist.
First of all, conscription teaches you very little of value, second of all, you gain wartime-levels of attrition from suicides, third of all, you are wasting shitloads of money on the program itself and on not having all those people working in the economy, all for practically no benefit, and finally, none of the people who went through this will be some sort of a ready-made cannon fodder and will need to be retrained anyway should a war start since they would have forgotten everything and gotten out of shape, if that was their lifestyle prior to the conscription. Nobody I know who went through the conscription process thinks it a time well spent – it was a shit time spent doing pointless shit often with complete subhuman. The extent of knowledge gained was "I was taught how to clean my gun, but I forgot that long ago now, lol". The only positive anyone ever mentions is "it builds character :DDDD" and sure, it does that, unless you fucking an hero due to being tortured by subhumans for 2 years for symbolic pay all the while being exploited by higher ranks for slave labour. The "character building" is actually "enduring suffering or learning to be enough of a weasel to avoid suffering in the first place" which sure are valuable lessons, I guess, but at that point, you might as well literally enslave people for two years, whipping them every day while building actually useful shit rather than play soldiers.
>capitalism is anything i don't like, and communists are also capitalists now
>>>/leftypol/ , and stay there, again.
I remember that his beloved Golden Dawn wanted to make conscription mandatory for every woman too. Maybe it changed in the last few years but the idea was out there for a long time.
>Yeltsin transformed Russia's socialist economy into a capitalist market economy, implementing economic shock therapy, market exchange rate of the ruble, nationwide privatization and lifting of price controls.
>implying I implied communism is any better than the same shekel's other side
>First of all, conscription teaches you very little of value
Good enough for a patriot to learn the basics of war and for a soyboy to be a free cleaning lady and a meatshield.
>you gain wartime-levels of attrition from suicides
That's a sacrifice every armed force should be willing to make. Just have to make sure that the suicides are leftists, soys and emos also make sure you don't fall behind in the annual suicide quota not good lads that had their morale and self-worth broken.
>you are wasting shitloads of money on the program
Conscripts do it for free. The cost of feeding them is counterbalanced by the slave-labour they perform.
>and on not having all those people working in the economy
Oh yes, writing subversive articles and making citizen Schlomo Shekelstein rich by wagecucking is such a positive contribution to their country's economy.
>All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.
>One of the longest lasting authoritarian(not including monarchies) government in Europe that actively supressed communists/marxists and liberalists.
>Sent the Viriatos Legion to help the Spanish fight against the communists.
>Was in a secret alliance with South Africa and Rhodesia against commies and niggers.
>Literally waged a war against communists in Africa,having only the help of "Alcora" while the niggers were being backed by basically everyone else.
Why must you do this to us m8?
>believing poplist proclamations made by the former communists
This leftist denial is getting boring.
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> none of the people who went through this will be some sort of a ready-made cannon fodder and will need to be retrained anyway should a war start since they would have forgotten everything and gotten out of shape, if that was their lifestyle prior to the conscription. Nobody I know who went through the conscription process thinks it a time well spent – it was a shit time spent doing pointless shit often with complete subhuman. The extent of knowledge gained was "I was taught how to clean my gun, but I forgot that long ago now, lol". The only positive anyone ever mentions is "it builds character :DDDD" and sure, it does that, unless you fucking an hero due to being tortured by subhumans for 2 years for symbolic pay all the while being exploited by higher ranks for slave labour. The "character building" is actually "enduring suffering or learning to be enough of a weasel to avoid suffering in the first place" which sure are valuable lessons, I guess, but at that point, you might as well literally enslave people for two years, whipping them every day while building actually useful shit rather than play soldiers.
Believe me I am among the last people that will try to convince you that conscription is a good experience for the individual but I am obliged to remind you it's a much better experience than its alternative, conscription by turks.
>Why must you do this to us m8?
Sharing the pain makes it easier to Slavs.
>it's a much better experience than its alternative, conscription by turks
Why would it be? You've already repeatedly stated that you're willing to make conscription as miserable and wasteful as you can, with all your hate towards any self-respecting person with any dignity left.
>talks about jewish projection.
Now that's what i call a recursion
>conscription teaches you very little of value
It turned me into a paratrooper
>Golden Dawn wanted to make conscription mandatory for every woman too
All men and women (with the exception of mothers) at the age of 18 will be drafted for 14 months. However, women will not be allowed in combat-related roles.
They will learn how to take care of the wounded, cook and exercise. If you see something wrong with this then you're a faggot.
Last I checked Moortugal didn't have access to Mediterranean.
In his mind it's probably like "just walk in, firmly shake your CO's hand and tell him you're from /k/ and you want to be in the kebab remover squad instead of the soyboy floor scrubber units".
Yes, I see everything wrong with trying to teach that to women when they're already 18 years old roasties instead of teaching them gradually since they're little. And there's something fundamentally wrong with taking them away from home and putting them in the midst of other mindless roasties, look no further than convents. They're not going to become good caretakers if they're not willing to learn this stuff out of their own volition.
>instead of teaching them gradually since they're little
There are plans on a complete change of the educational system too.
>learn this stuff out of their own volition
People are 25 years old and they don't know how to pay their bills, how to cook an egg, how to do laundry and yet you still think we can trust anyone to learn things "out of their own volition".
>Good enough for a patriot to learn the basics of war
Exercise and gun basics? You'd trade two years of your life for that shit?
>That's a sacrifice every armed force should be willing to make.
It breeds resentment from the population, wastes valuable workforce, and it's definitely not just soycucks that anhero. All it takes is to be unlucky - a couple gypsies deciding you'll be the new bitch and making your life hell, while the higher ranks don't give a single shit and other troops don't interfere since they have their own shit to deal with.
>Conscripts do it for free. The cost of feeding them is counterbalanced by the slave-labour they perform.
They labour they perform is of zero value to anyone and you need actual professional soldiers to be there at least from time to time so that there is at least some amount of expertise.
>Oh yes, writing subversive articles and making citizen Schlomo Shekelstein rich by wagecucking is such a positive contribution to their country's economy.
What sort of an argument is that? You realise EVERY SINGLE MALE (unless excusing himself by being an invalid or similar) will waste that time there, right? That it will aflict every single industry and service?
>You've already repeatedly stated that you're willing to make conscription as miserable and wasteful as you can
You either think that leftists and other cucks deserve rights or don't have the singlest clue what t*rkish conscript life looks like.
>shake your CO's hand and tell him you're from /k/ and you want to be in the kebab remover squad instead of the soyboy floor scrubber units
In Greece you can choose where to enlist. Anyone choose the special forces and as long as he passes the tests he will be accepted. The only retards who end up in soy units are anti-military fags who choose to be put into the most worthless places available.
They can choose to be paratroopers, trained in mountain warfare, artillerymen, engineers, even join the navy. And yet they instead go for some literally-who base in the middle of nowhere where all they do all day is wash dishes, look at paint dry and clean bathrooms.
You should end up in a hospital, nursed by a bitter nun who was put in the convent by her parents and missed out on life so she's taking it out on other people or some trust fund kiddie "doctor" whose rich doctor parents bought him a degree just so the kid could inherit their business.
It would be far better to bring back shit like boy scouts than to try training vapid roasties whose brains are already rotten and wired to think only about chad's cock and spending betabux.
>It breeds resentment from the population
Good. More closet commies to purge.
>Last I checked Moortugal didn't have access to Mediterranean.
We are still considered Mediterranean.
But even if you don't include Portugal,you still have:
Spain,who had one of the best fascist leaders(José António Primo de Rivera)and one of the best fascist movements( Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional Sindicalista),that had a civil war to avoid going full commie.
Italy,the birthplace of fascism.
And Greece,who had civil war against communists,and that had miltary junta for a few years to avoid communist subversion.
oh you can also choose to be put into an armored division too, and even become a Leo tank commander
You lads need to elect the PNR
>leftists and other cucks deserve rights
So your whole population is those? Cause you're forcing everyone in there.
>don't have the singlest clue what t*rkish conscript life looks like
I don't, but you assured me quite well that greeks can beat them in savagery.
>you assured me quite well that greeks can beat them in savagery
Is it any surprise? As he bragged, they share the same blood.
>they share the same blood
And even bits of language.
I mean, yes, he wants to copy the turkish conscription system, basically, it seems. Maybe he should simply go to turkey himself, as to get closer to culturally similar people?
>ITT: slavtards don't like conscription because it hurts their feefees
They are actually somewhat decent,one of the few articles that they had dennounced Israel actions in Gaza and complained about USA "hipocrisy".
The biggest problems that i have with them is that they shill for "Lusitanian Integralism" that advocates for any non-white element in the country to "integrate",and that they want to avoid being put alongside the fascists in terms of ideology.
>they shill for "Lusitanian Integralism" that advocates for any non-white element in the country to "integrate",and that they want to avoid being put alongside the fascists in terms of ideology.
Ah, so they're fags too after all. Is there anyone else natsoc-tier?
>watch me run away as i project my butthurt on everyone else
Damn these evil slavtards, not allowing jewish breed to sperg rampant!
>greeks can beat them in savagery.
Or Streloks with military positions more complex than
>Airdropping in the middle of the pitch-black night in a swamp with literally 80kg of equipment and then marching for 5 miles through mud
Don't want even more unmotivated nigger-IQ leftists clogging up engineering and analyst positions.
>Ah, so they're fags too after all. Is there anyone else natsoc-tier?
Unfortunately no,i have seen some portuguese anons talkig about creating small fascist cells in different parts of the country.
Our best chance is for Spain to go,for some reason,in the same route that France did with the Yellow Vests,if a similar movement rises in Spain(even if it decides to be marxist) then Portugal will see a massive rise in Fascism.
>war is all rosepedals and pretty butterflies
The fuck happened to /k/?
The National guard is the standardization of a shitload of paramilitary units first you have everything that was "MVD VV":
SN - or special police commandos or spetsnaz. Operate in 16 battalion size units stationed across Russia (10,000 men) and would be those in your picture. There is also a 2-3 battalion size unit in the national reaction division.
ON - or operational force which are "light infantry" units ranging from the national reaction division (ODON 10,000 men) to regional brigades and regiments. Stationed across the country (30-35,000 men) but primarily in the West and Caucasus.
SM - special motorized military or military police type units ranging from division to battalion size. May also be called military commandant units in North Caucasus. Used for patrolling and guard duties based in large urban centers and the North Caucasus (40-50,000 men). In the North Caucasus there is little difference between the SM and ON forces, elsewhere they're mostly regular police reinforcement.
VG - military guard units ranging from Nuclear facilities, Defense Industries, Restricted Zones to other national strategic points. Closest US equivalent I can think off would be Capitol Police. Except if it was for Lockheed and cie…
Then you have the non VV units:
SOBR which are typical SWAT teams in cities.
OMON which is the riot special police (but retain an infantry training).
The multiple SWAT teams that were under other services for no discernible reason (FSKN, GAI, Restricted Zones response teams, etc…) all of which had their own vehicles, sometime their own helicopters…
Then you have the Okhrana.
The Okhrana is something really weird, basically realizing that the cops were understaffed, underpayed and pretty much already not moving unless payed directly in cash due to the 90's corruption… They just made it official.
They created a state enterprise… of PRIVATE security.
And it worked!
They basically split the police force in two, and run for profit half of it, while the other half was payed with taxes.
The half on state budget enjoyed a considerably bigger budget and after a few purges became way more professional, could concentrate on actual crime solving and major crimes, while the other half became mall ninjas wet dream association, AKA they're payed for the service they provide (guarding and patrolling) by businesses and associations and what not their job is mostly tossing drunkards out and teens horsing around but they're trained and supervised exactly the same as the real police, including response teams (private SWAT teams trained and certified by the State. Tell that to anyone that tells you Russia is communist next time) it also include private armies like Kadyrov's…
So when it appeared unified it was about the same as US """law enforcement""" (if you're charitable) with thousands of different units shopping for gear where they could depending of a thousand different entities for budget.
The National Guard thing is largely an administrative simplification which is basically "everyone with that does peace-keeping within the borders of Russia is subordinate to the Ministry of Interior, and there is only two Federal Service, the Police and the National Guard". with the National guard getting all the "intervention" style units as they can share the training facilities with the much bigger units that don't really do a police job.
It doesn't really change anything units-wise as each unit probably still do their unique jobs.
>if there are any plans to consolidate equipment and uniforms
Well they are phasing out tracked vehicle completely and seem to have standardized armor on the same MRAPs as the army experimental "super light" brigade so there is definitely some synergy there and they should be more standardized in the future.
All once standardized it can make for a decent reserve of trained light infantry that can quickly mobilized.
BTW only pic 2 is a unit merged in Rosgardia, the others look like FSB spetsnaz. The FSB keep it's spetsnaz and the border guards.
Reread my post and restate your argument, because you sound like a bad AI trying to converse.
Oh okay then, see:
We don't put fucking commies in vital operational positions. We put them on the grinder wherever actual and maintaining low casualties skill is not that important.
>nigger-IQ leftists clogging up engineering and analyst positions
They don't, they all become i-4 nobodies and they're used for cleaning toilets
you're goddamn right
Now why would you shoot a perfectly good loli? It's no wonder these guys lost the cold war.
She was used goods at that point
This never fails to make me both terribly sad and incredibly angry.
Definitely a good reminder to show no mercy to kikes and their commie golems.
Submarines don't hunt other submarines because the best way to find a submarine is with active sonar, and submarines don't use active sonar because it gives away their position.
If Greece won't declare war on Israel (or even a proxy war) by 2040, I'm doing things my way
But how will we be able to deliver proper justice if we know how to shoot?
>The remaining executioners shot chaotically and over each other's shoulders until the room was so filled with smoke and dust that no one could see anything at all in the darkness nor hear any commands amid the noise.
>While waiting for the smoke to abate, the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room. As it cleared, it became evident that although several of the family's retainers had been killed, all of the Imperial children were alive and furthermore, only Maria was even injured.
>The executioners were ordered to proceed with their bayonets, a technique which proved ineffective and meant that the children had to be dispatched by still more gunshots, this time aimed more precisely at their heads.
Have higher standards, Antonious.
>the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room
>ordered to proceed with their bayonets, a technique which proved ineffective and meant that the children had to be dispatched by still more gunshots
We need to come up with a torture horrible enough to make up for their jewish crimes. Thing is, not even scaphism would make up for it, and so we need to find or come up with something else. Mexican executions of cutting off faces isn't enough either. We need to go deeper
It logistically cannot happen before 2040, but I won't be fit for war after 2050 either so 2040 is the longest I can wait for an official declaration of war.
How about a blood eagle?
There has to be a scientific way to cause maximum-possible pain signals without however damaging the person's nerves.
Kills too quickly
I'm reading up stuff and it would seem that we could cause suicide-inducing tier pain by fucking around with the trigeminal nerve. Though that's just faggy information off of a quick search. I doubt it's that simple. I wonder if there truly is a list of the absolute worst thing the human body is physically capable of experiencing without instant shutdown
> the absolute worst thing the human body is physically capable of experiencing without instant shutdown
>Their economy is trash
Their economy is huge and they have massive resource / oil advantages over most other countries in the world. Their economy looks small compared to America and China, but in relative terms it's one of the biggest economies in the world.
Russian GDP is 1.5 trillion.
Italian GDP is 2 trillion
UK GDP is 3 trillion.
What are you smoking retard
>implying they couldn't roflstomp both simultaneously
How could they do that? GDP is like the mana pool of a country, you use it to summon
soldiers warfighters and matériel out of thin air. Russia has less GDP, therefore it's destined to lose in a war. Not to mention that they don't have democracy, and in the end that's what really matters.
t. Western politician
Well, Strelok, there are two ways to interpret that. Either Russia has somehow worse economy that a state fraction its size that's been flirting with bankrupcy for years now, or GDP is not a measurement metric (or your data is fucking wrong, but I trust you to have pulled them from a good source)
Wow thanks Frenchanon, this is far more comprehensive than anything I've ever found in English or Japanese.
I can detail it a bit more for the units that are oriented combat.
The way it's structured is:
Regional Command -> Division or Brigade -> Regiment or Battalion, generally a regiment is just 2 battalions with a HQ. Division/brigade can be a proper operational unit but typically it's an administrative local command with the attached support service.
There is a Headquarters and then the command is geographically split in 8 National Guard districts:
-Central district of the troops of the National Guard (Moscow), "eagle".
-Northwest district of the troops of the National Guard (Saint-Petersburg), "sphinx".
-Volga district of the troops of the National Guard (Nizhniy-Novgorod), "stag"
-South district of the troops of the National Guard (Rostov-On-Don), "?".
-North-Caucasus district of the troops of the National Guard (Pyatigorsk), "stallion",
-Ural district of the troops of the National Guard (Ekaterinburg), "salamander".
-Siberian district of the troops of the National Guard (Novosibirsk), "bear".
-Eastern district of the troops of the National Guard (Khabarovsk), "tiger".
Headquarters, command directly, national reaction units, "Panther", the national guard aviation (helicopters and transport planes), communications hub, etc…
(I don't know the animal for the South district that was created mostly on the Ukrainian MVD defecting units, unassigned animals are scorpion, lion, wolf, "griffon" is for the schools, "owl" is for the okhrana).
By troops types you have
- SN (spetsnaz) ~10,000 personnel in 18 units:
–"604th Center" former 1st and 8th OSN (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division",
–7th OSN "Rosich" (Novocherkassk)
–12th OSN "Ural" (Nizhny Tagil)
–15th OSN "Vyatich" (Armavir)
–17th OSN "Edelveys" (Mineralnye Vody)
–19th OSN "Ermak" (Novosibirsk)
–21st OSN "Tayfun" (Sosnovka)
–23rd OSN "Mechel" (Chelyabinsk)
–25th OSN "Merkuriy" (Smolensk)
–26th OSN "Bars" (Kazan)
–27th OSN "Kuzbass" (Kemerovo)
–28th OSN "Ratnik" (Arkhangelsk)
–29th OSN "Bulat" (Ufa)
–30th OSN "Svyatogor" (Stavropol)
–33rd OSN "Peresvet" (Moscow)
–34th OSN "Skif" (Grozny)
–35th OSN "Rus" (Simferopol)
–? OSN "Rosomak" (Zheleznogorsk).
- ON (light infantry type) ~37,000 personnel, 28 units.
–2nd ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"
–4th ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"
–5th ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"
–21st ON division (Sofrino)
–34th ON division (Shumilovo)
–42nd ON division (Angarsk)
–46th ON division (Grozny)
–47th ON division (Krasnodar)
–82nd ON division (Barnaul)
–102nd ON division (Makhackala)
–112th ON division (Simferopol)
Note that those "division" (sometimes they're called brigades too) aren't operational bodies but made up of the whole of spectrum of ON, SN, SM battalions. However the ON Divisions are (supposedly) capable to field a "normal size" mobile light infantry "reaction brigade" from their units.
Then you have the "Police Special Units" ~34,400 personnel
- OMON ~25,000 personnel in 21 units, riot police, they have been reformed fully and are at the size of a standard Russian motorized infantry battalion , except following the 2 Battalion 1 HQ that seem to be typical in the internal troops (VS 3/1HQ in the Russian army at large).
- SOBR ? companies size elements, SWAT. SOBR teams seem to have standardized around 150 men each so about 4 platoon of infantry + staff.
So yeah the Russian "quick reaction reserve" of light infantry is about the size of the current french land army.
How many time do we have to go over this?
You can't compare apples and bananas you need a common reference point, the reference point is energy as everything in an economy necesserily comes from it.
GDP comparison (as flawed as it already is) only makes sense when countries are paying their energy in $US (aka the infamous petrodollar), which is the case of almost every country due to the OPEP cartel and the US enforcement of oil trade in $US.
Almost every country except… Russia! That is the only developed country that DOESN'T buy it's energy in $US.
The result of this is that the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP) knowing full well that PPP itself is a questionable measurement that can be largely inexact due to it's nature of over-weighting the commercial and civilian consumer goods market of a country which is of little help compared to State economy itself (and again Russia is outside the norm with most of it's major industrial conglomerates bieng State controlled coupled with an over-importation of consumer goods). In GPD(PPP) Russia is at the level of Germany, the reality pretty much everyone aggrees on is that it's probably somewhere between Japan and Germany… Which is around where Russia should be considering their population (Russia doesn't have half the population of the US and barely more than Japan) and their "poor economy" (IE: "for a 1st world state"… If they had a good economy they'd be in front of Japan).
>Uhh the universal measurement of gross domestic product isn't the universal measurement of gross domestic product because energy and ATCKHUALLY it needs to be measured with PPP
Poland has a per capita PPP higher than Russia
So does Hungary, Portugal and Latvia.
Or maybe one is pervasively corrupted while the other can budget itself
You could probably do something with those microwave weapons America is working on.
That's a good point. Sort of the opposite of what my military does, namely waste my tax dollars on overpriced bids, new tech, and to cover the legal fees of some crayon muncher who can't help but rape locals.
>I'm A BURGGGEEEEERRR.
What part of
>"PPP itself is a questionable measurement that can be largely inexact due to it's nature of over-weighting the commercial and civilian consumer goods market of a country which is of little help compared to State economy itself"
didn't you get?
All of it?
PPP is largely a measure of the CIVILIAN ECONOMY, which in Russia IS UNDERDEVELOPED' compared to the average developed country.
Tell me does Poland, Hungary or Latvia have a GIGANTIC military-industrial complex and resource extraction complex?
You know the shit I just told you is NOT counted for PPP.
And by civilian economy you must remember that DEBTS (both public and private, all are held by civilian banks) count as WEALTH and are currently SEVERAL TIMES the yearly GPD of most developed countries…
A good way to see who is living on someone else money is the NIIP. The pics says it all.
>The result of this is that the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP
> good way to see who is living on someone else money is the NIIP
Pick one you literal retard
Those two statement aren't opposed you fucking 80 IQ irish whore/nigger hybrid.
>the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP
Yes they are
Screech more, you've contradicted yourself twice over trying to defend the Russian economy
>cause suicide-inducing tier pain by fucking around with the trigeminal nerve
I've seen people with neurofibromatisis where their Trigeminal nerve gets compromised. It's not enough for knocking you out but it's enough to overcome morphine lightly. Like >>666566 says, maybe there's some fancier way to induce more severe pain (I'm thinking more of an agonist for some sort of metabotropic channel exclusive for free nerve endings), but the trigeminal is easier to affect. Just a knife and knowing its location is enough for dealing quite debilitating pain. I've seen people with neurofibromatosis that affected their trigeminal nerve and they needed a regimen of painkillers in order to control the pain.
Polite sage for offtopic.
No I haven't, you're just too fucking stupid.
You must be talking about Canada, USA is 50 years ahead of Russia. They just use propaganda most of the time.
>want to guess how much of a Russian conscript is focused on those topics?
yes im willing to guess. i would bet they barely go over any topics. period. even military ones, because
you've bought into the slavbu propaganda bullshit hard, about how russians are some super hardy, down to earth, no bullshit fighting force
that disparity in money you see isn't because russians are so much better at doing stuff than other powers. its because theres a point of diminishing returns for increased performance in military hardware. western nations are willing to spend outrageous amounts of money for the cutting edge of performance. meanwhile russia can barely muster the funds to keep its ships from rotting in the docks. let alone fully modernize and competently train its military
another thing you dont seem to realize is that all bureaucracies are barely functioning messes. you've probably heard much about american or canadian military absurdities. however i can guarantee you that the western countries bureaucratic tangle works better than russia's bureaucratic tangle. all the issues of russian society are reflected in its military, namely massive corruption, a declining population, and alcoholism. having to listen to a powerpoint brief about how being a tranny is alright is a mild problem in comparison.
in 1945, Jews appointed by FDR to "manage" the Atomic Bomb project stole secrets and gave them to fellow Jews in USSR.
THAT is why Russia has a military today.
>USA is 50 years ahead of Russia.
In what? Name a field of military technology ffs. You're 50 years ahead in quantity and money and sheer construction manpower maybe.
Take the 1.5 trillion dollars America spends on military, and spend it on:
>A) American way of doing things by splitting factories in all fifty states and marrying obsolete tech with one or two hyper performance parts that are wayyy past diminishing returns of R&D.
>B) If you took the way Russians do things, centralizing factories near resource base, and the simplicity and practicality of their technology.
Which version will give you more bang for the American taxpayer dollar.
I don't know, you're still basically just saying "we have money", which doesn't mean your tech is any better. You're kind of proving that Russians are a super hardy, down to earth, no bullshit fighting force.
There is zero fat on the Russian military industrial complex, no one is making fat stacks of dough, it's about as high performance as these things get.
Why not emulate it?
Oh jeez here's the kikebait. Retard the USSR government was led by a Russian exactly twice in its entire history, and is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of 75 million Russians.
Alot of words to show you are ignorant on this subject. AD USAF here.
Retired six star general ex JCOS advisor moved to Canada to enjoy the maple and bird hunting here.
What wuld Russia's military be like today had they signed some armistice with the German Empire in late 1915/early 1916, leading to the Central Powers winning the war and the Tsar not getting himself and his entire Family ritually murdered by (((them)))?
>30% of it is some xenopidoraha's asshurt
Another day, another reason to implement the Internet User Licenses requiring age of 18 and passing written exam to obtain.
for american airplanes you need perfectly clean airports, russian airplanes dont care, you can repair lots of things with just basic tools..
i knew a guy who repaired grounded afghan mi24 with his bare hands and basic tools, american were watching in awe, amazed..
in case of on going war russian planes would be still flying while western planes would be grounded soon without spare parts
russian military equipment is your 60s car that you can repair at home and western equipment is your modern Tesla that you have no chance to repair without specialized repair facility
THIS. Americans seem to have a fantasy view of 'economics' that is honestly, not real at all.
For example: just because stocks are up doesn't mean its good just as if their down it doesn't mean its bad either. In fact the stock market is an investors' casino, to enrich bankers and CEOs and shareholders, NOTHING ELSE. Its NOT the real economy. Investors can make or lose money, thats pretty much it, a casino. Lots of people here think the economy is great when in fact 3 out of 4 factories are still closed down from all the years of outsourcing.
Russia is different. They utilize their own resources big time, they don't have debts like we do, they never outsourced their industries, they manage to get things built for DIRT CHEAP….. unlike here in the US where the Navy spends $700 for each toilet bowl lid made in Taiwan!
Get it, OP?
>was led by a Russian exactly twice
Who's the second?
Because one of them is Gorbatchev who fucking dismantled the USSR.
Lol, I love Russia's propaganda, *proof that their military readiness may not be so accurate* But our electronic warfare is amazing, and we have the best people on it! (Only 150 million people) Lol, I think it's hilarious! It's always what's just behind the curtain for them, and what you can see just isn't ever up to par. It's kind of hilarious you have to admit!
>Who's the second?
Malenkov? Although he barely ruled the USSR.
Not to derail the thread, but do you guys like those NORA B 52s you bought from us or are they complete shit?
Vietnam vs France
Vietnam vs US
Vietnam vs China
Vietnam vs Cambodia
they're pretty neato
>aliens try to invade Vietnam
>have their spaceships stolen
>gooks are the first ones to achieve interstellar travel so they can sell shitty baseball caps to ayys
They're better than gay archer which costs as much as two F-5 freedom fighters.
>how is Russia's military still relevant
Because as bad as Russia's military is, most non-NATO countries are 10 times worse. You'd be surprised at the degree of general incompetence to be found across the world. Otherwise because they can afford to send tanks at the problem until it decides to bother someone else.
>produce their own shit
You'd be surprised at how much worse this system is. The US abandoned it during Vietnam because it only served to further the nepotistic interests of those within that system at the detriment of the actual troops doing the fighting.
As fucked up as it sounds, the retarded military-industrial system of the US today produces higher quality equipment faster and with less dead soldiers than the legacy system of in-house production and development.
This doesn't just affect the US, it was a massive hamstring to the Soviet military throughout it's history, it still is a massive hamstring for the Russian military and more or less any military that relies on it.
Go to the nearest watch floor, grab the first 20-something analyst that refuses to make eye contact, and give him your job. You clearly type like a Gen X and I hope to god you're not tier 2+.
>real unironic boomerposting
This is real right?
Its astounding how many people, specifically burgerniggers, think the realeconomy is somehow tied to the derivatives shenanigans of a bunch of parasitic bankster kikes
>As fucked up as it sounds, the retarded military-industrial system of the US today produces higher quality equipment faster and with less dead soldiers than the legacy system of in-house production and development.
That's wrong though. You also forgot how much more expensive the jewish military-industrial complex is for the fatmerican tax-payer.
Given the size of your country and population (5-10 million people) you're actually producing a lot of interesting weapons. I mean New York is larger and has more people with NY police department having more infantry than Serbia. Compared to the world size of nations vs their military effect I would put yours at something like UK or Italy sized, which have ten times more people.
B52 is interesting because its a heavy artillery system that's completely self sufficient. It can fight its way through enemy infantry with armament comparable to an IFV, cross mud, forest, road and river to set itself up, and then it can proceed to fuck up a target 35 miles away while surviving counterbat fire. There's nothing on the planet which comes close to that, most truck based systems are too lightly armed and armored, and most tracked systems lacked the personnel and ammo capacity to do any harm without a fleet of supply trucks.
You also have an interesting mini cruise missile (ALAS), an interesting mini ballistic missile (Sumadija), and interesting rifle (M21) which beats western designs for accuracy and eastern designs for reliability. It's fucking mind boggling you haven't conquered your neighbors by now.
OOF man, time for some reality wake up call - it's not that peachy. Everything you mentioned is still being developed and is being continuously upgraded and "improved" without going into mass production, except rifle M21 (which is domestic plastic 5.56x45 AK, sold to Africans to genocide other Africans, e.g. Cameroon massacre of 2018) and early versions of NORA. Reasons? Not so competent head figures of the projects and sucking up all that miserable military budget, yes, even poor nations have their Lockheeb.
That being sad, we do have more military industry and research capabilities than others and we do export far more arms and ammo than anyone around us, except maybe the Bulgars. Opportunities are there to develop really neat weapons which you mentioned such as that missile system Šumadija and ALAS system, but corruption and lack of money and lack of political will and foreign political pressures AND few other things are making these projects hard to compete. We won't mention that some of these projects started back in the 80s and are only now hitting the shelves. NORA is not the only one armored, G6 is also there. There's just not enough money for lots of new funz, most of the money is spent on salaries and such and whatever remains is sucked dry by crooks who sell their retarded self-jerking fantasies about "what our new, modern weapon systems should look like" or is not enough for projects that are actually worth money.
Fuck if I know, maybe I'm just too blackpilled after reading all the local forums and following local news and reading some inside info. But again when I see how our neighbours kvetch and whine about our somewhat decent successes or mock us I can't help but think we may actually pull it off and actually create more advanced and affordable system in near future.
I would gladly fight in a war for the purpose of securing my children's and the children of like-minded individual's future, and for the betterment of mankind, but possibly dying for the benefit of kikes doesn't make a man.
Senseless war is as degenerate as the trannies and faggots everyone here hates.
Why do Serbs have a tendency to shit on themselves? Is it just crab mentality?
When you're blackpilled, you can't ride the hypetrain.
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Dunno if relevant, but it clearly shows on Russian television (I'd give it 8/10 for propaganda value btw) that the Russian military is state owned and they're having an as-publicly-clear-as-possible approach to militarism, since everybody knows how much needed it is to be able to fight back from encroachment yet not bee too intimidating for others for them to start attacking them out of fear.
After the announcement of their upper hand in the atomic race again thanks to some new mach 10 nukes, the Russians try to adapt to their superiority at the moment, they all know, can be used to perpetuate conflict if not born with humility. I think they all know this.
I don't think morale has been higher at any time. Nationalism is rampant and freely expressed, uniting several peoples under one flag. Current government is redpilled.
There are lots of social issues still. There is room for the willing to turn the gears of this flexible and growing economy. They economy might be in some regards seen as one of the most promising, as I see it. The main factor here is how the ethnic Russian Jews and ethnic Russian spirit tries to cooperate as much as possible, thanks to their common enemy. Lots of international interests still got their grip on a lot of infrastructure, and we might be aware of how 'nationalized' institutions and projects might in fact be under cover sold out to international interests. But even if that's happening, it's the least amount of corruption they try to aim for. It's better to forgive theft for 10x if the value of operative production is 1000x to the rest of the country. Sleigh of hand is common practice for people who reach the top. It's almost mandatory, yet frowned upon. They strive for balance, atleast.
I think high-precision weaponry like missiles and air superiority usually wins the tactical battle, and Russia is currently doubling down on manufacture of these missiles. They won Syria, and most of the mad muslim mercenaries in the area have been taken out. It might take 5-10 years for the next Jihad wave to be recruited.
The next proxy war the western military complex wants to create will be in South America if anywhere. Russia will deliver the peace keeping weaponry solutions, as the energy cabal needs boots on ground to secure their profits.
Russian morale is the highest of all the big players, I think. They're on the defensive. Chinese military is lowest and American patriotism clearly is big enough to cover half of the globe with highly trained killers.
This is new.
> American patriotism clearly is big enough to cover half of the globe
>being in countries completely unrelated to the one you sworn to protect for no other reason than to get gibs and rape white women
Pick one, it's just mystery meat and negroids being given guns and sent to kill, rape or maim enemies of israel.
Hooktube is dead, fam. The owner got stomped by Google, and now it's just a direct YouTube embed website. Use invidio.us instead.
Why is every nation using these now? Yeah, sure being able to use active-earpro/radio-headsets is non-negotiable by now, but you can integrate that capability into national designs instead of buying the same shit from the same company as everyone else. Now every nation looks the same. Why did the big sandbox ruin all aesthetics in the military?
It's O.K anon, things will get better after everyone that's over the age of 60 dies off or civil war, whichever comes first.
Efficiency, I guess. Also, back when you'd be able to 'see the white in their eyes' you probably were sure of what front you were fighting on to start off with, thus making it smart to brand your forces with 'traditional clothing' or a unifying form, uniform.
Yeah, sure it's efficient to funnel all money from all helmet procurement from next to all countries on earth to one company. Nothing bad can come from a near monopoly on helmet production and exporting.
The privatization of military industry was a mistake. I blame the Br*ts.
You know very well which will come first… and it won't be the age…
The price of vice is the loss of liberty. The ruler of a nation only needs to force laws (justifiable laws that is) when people don't act neighborly and civilized. So for conscription, it would only be justified if there was a need that no one is voluntarily filling, and with most of the countries that conscript, the outcome is usually garbage, and truly does ruin a nation. You wouldn't have the heroin epidemic in the US and Russia if it weren't for attempts to play world police in Vietnam and Afghanistan with conscripts whose lives are taken from under their feet. It used to be that car accidents were the number one cause of death in the US, now it's drug overdose.
Unless you are protecting your border or removing invaders, conscription seems self destructive in the long run.
Privatization didnt result in centralization, it resulted in the opposite.
>Not saying that it makes good warriors or effective militias with combat initiative but a non-officer soldier's main purpose is to be a broken frontline grunt with rudimentary appreciation of his own life.
If you are an officer greekanon, this is how you get fragged.
Conscription drags the people that are not supposed to be in the military into the military. One cannot win wars and defend their country with just human wave tactics, you have to have brains, dedication, loyalty, and respect. Without the aforementioned, your "army" is nothing more but a penal legion masquerading as a professional force.
And lastly, broken men means broken countries. Keep talking edgy all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the men going back from service will ultimately be going back to society whether the civvies like it or not. And if those men are "broken men", you already know what will happen afterwards.
And also, being "muh proud 'n' shieet" about:
means that you are a closeted homofaggot that loves sucking cock. The aforementioned things that you daresay are "important prerequisites" to discipline, are not and will never be the requirements for discipline.
TL;DR: The army is not a BDSM dungeon. Go be a homogreek somewhere else.
I wish our muzzie retards would do that here.
Makes it easier to justify a full scale military campaign on our hinterlands and none of the faggy "muh piss-keeping" bullshit that our troopers here do that get them blown out for.
>If you are an officer greekanon, this is how you get fragged.
>Conscription drags the people that are not supposed to be in the military into the military.
That's the point. Can't have a functional fighting force without some expendable frontline meatshields, especially when you have to deter a 70-millions-strong horde of absolute subhumans and you can't have a functional country without purging "people not supposed to be in the military".
>One cannot win wars and defend their country with just human wave tactics, you have to have brains, dedication, loyalty, and respect.
Chaff from wheat, anon.
>And lastly, broken men means broken countries. it doesn't change the fact that the men going back from service will ultimately be going back to society whether the civvies like it or not. And if those men are "broken men", you already know what will happen afterwards.
Conscription can either break you or forge you into unbreakability. You just have to be a little careful that you break those with the intent to harm your country and that you don't hammer too people that love and can contribute to their country in other aspects than just being unbreakable shields.
>Keep talking edgy all you want,
>mfw when (((ayn rand))) fanboy calls my baseline pragmatism "edgy"
>And also, being "muh proud 'n' shieet"
I specifically excluded those unless if they refer to enemy interrogation
>Can't have a functional fighting force without some expendable frontline meatshields
Yeah, if you're going full total war maybe, otherwise you should have a competent force and no need of fucking meatshields that cannot fight and cannot be taught how to fight. Every country that went in total war mode knew it was in deep shit and that it does so despite the massive future costs it'll incur. Meanwhile you propose doing this bullshit in peacetime.
>you can't have a functional country without purging "people not supposed to be in the military".
Are you genuinely retarded? Who the fuck is going to keep the country running while all the spartan übermensch die at the front? You seem to be under the impression that "people not supposed to be in the military" is some 4% homo fragment, but no, that's the fucking majority of the population. You think some dude who made a living baking cakes and never had to hit anything more dangerous than dough will do just fine after being thrown into a trench full of mud and blood while on low rations? How about after two months? Or a guy that spent his life coding and visually represents a walking skeleton – think you can give him a rifle and gear and ask him to fucking march somewhere? You need these people to keep your fucking country running, to have an economy, but you absolutely do not want these people to go at the front, because they will be fucking useless and because you will be losing money by taking them from the workforce. You don't do fucking Volkssturm unless you are truly desperate.
>Chaff from wheat
>Conscription can either break you or forge you into unbreakability.
<"Yeah, my comrades raped me in the ass every day, but, you know, I learned to enjoy it. I cannot be broken by mere assrape, the enemy has nothing on me. I have become unbreakable."
Who cares about retarded made-up (and rigged) bullshit like that? The only "economy" you need is duty.
Conscript everyone startinf as early as five years old or so. Make military the only thing in everyones' lives. Use the undesirables as cannon fodder and everyone else as military roles.
You're were a baker? Now you're a soldier/MRE producer.
Coder? Soldier and systems engineer.
Everyone is a soldier and some other military role based on their aptitude.
FORCE OTHERS TO BEAT THE FUCKER'S BRAINS OUT WITH SHOVELS AND DISMEMBER THE CORPSE IN FRONT OF A LARGE AUDIENCE
A real society is built on force, fear, and duty.
You are a cuck.
<"S-Sir, we have no ammo. It ran out. All of it."
>"How is that possible?"
<"The factories all stopped – all the men got conscripted and the women and elderly refused to work for free."
>"Very well, then. Draw your knives, we will kill them with cold steel!"
<"Uh… sir. It's just us two here. The rest all deserted after getting no rations the third day in row. The food industry also stopped for the same reason, see. Command ordered to execute anyone refusing to work, but the executioners also refused to execute for free…"
>"THEY DARED TO DESERT RATHER THAN DIE FOR THE HONOR OF THEIR COUNTRY? I ORDER THEM ALL EXECUTED! SOCIETY IS BUILT ON FORCE, DEAR, AND DUTY!"
<"I agree 100%, sir, that's why I'm still here. Only we're the only ones who think this way, apparently. I told the same to others and they told me they'll rather lose the war than starve to death because of some 'retarded glory hound'."
>"So that's how it is. I see now. They're all traitors! We need to purge this country before we have a shot at winning the war! We must return to capital post haste and slaughter every traitor, until the country is inhabited just by the two of us. After that, we will win the war and make our great country proud."
That's why you need stuff like commissars or inquisitions similar to 40k.
Besides, you can always replace factory workers with machines. Make the food, ammo, and equipment production fully mechanized. That way you can conscript the women, elderly, and children too.
Before you say anything about breeding, use clone vats and program duty into each clone.
>reddit ODing on gay nigger semen again
>One cannot win wars and defend their country with just human wave tactics
Seemed to work for the soviets and chinese :^)
>Conscription can either break you or forge you into unbreakability
Conscription is more like mental padding meant to ready you for a head on collision with a brick wall. Depending on your experiences you might come out fine and healthy, or as a PTSD riddled cripple that shits his pants when he hears firecrackers. A lot of dudes that come out of training are kind of retarded tho. I know 4 dudes that served and all of them have this "get X done at all costs", "think inside the box and don't question authority" mentality. It might sound cool and epic, but it really isn't when you're outside the military.
>everyone I don't agree with is leddit
he was making a joke you dumb faggots. Do you really read shit like "use clone vats and program duty into clones" and think "Oh, this guy is trying to argue!"?
Did you forget where we are?
Autism and spergery are the only things we have. There is no such thing as jokes anymore. Everything must be taken seriously.
>Meanwhile you propose doing this bullshit in peacetime.
We are living next to a turkic sunni country. There's no such thing as "peacetime".
>Are you genuinely retarded? Who the fuck is going to keep the country running while all the spartan übermensch die at the front?
The same people that do at times of total war?
or are you advocating that leftists, traitors and weaklings should be the only ones left to repopulate with the ubermenschs' wives after the later are thrown in the grinder for the sake of the previous?
Also baking is a turkish wife's job.
Don't forget also literally Hitler.
><"Yeah, my comrades raped me in the ass every day, but, you know, I learned to enjoy it. I cannot be broken by mere assrape, the enemy has nothing on me. I have become unbreakable."
>keeps (((projecting))) his masochistic homoerotic fantasies to an old honorable establishment
> I know 4 dudes that served
You don't have conscription there or are you that anti-social?
>or are you advocating that leftists, traitors and weaklings should be the only ones left to repopulate with the ubermenschs' wives after the later are thrown in the grinder for the sake of the previous?
YES! Because by your definition, 90% of the fucking population fall under "weaklings" you idiot!
>"Haha, it says here you're a neurosurgeon. Look at those dainty hands you have, doubt you can even lift a rifle! What a weakling. You'll be in first line so that übermensch like me survive and breed. No, I never learned how to read, why do you ask?"
>90% of the fucking population fall under "weaklings" you idiot!
>implying I advocated conscription of females or middle aged and retired men
>medical officers and field surgeons don't exist
I don't know what slavland does but around here a medical degree guarantees you an officer degree, full relief from conventional duties past your 40 days training and usually a position away from front-line units unless volunteered.
Back then, over here, any university degree was enough to make you into an officer during conscription. As in you were spared worst of the "breaking" (which you seem to cherish so much) because then country recognised your importance during peacetime and didn't want you to kill yourself. Apparently, even your country has no desire to grind down actually important people – runs kinda counter to your assertion about chaff from wheat and forging people into being unbreakable – if it's so great, why does the officers class (where a weak link would be far more disaster than among the soldiery) get spared? Because even your leaders recognise conscription for the bullshit it is – something for the unimportant and expendable, something for retards like you with free space between their ears. Can't risk people of actual value getting bullied into an-heroing or suffering permanent psychological damage, oh no, that'd be a waste. But Greekanon? Fuck him, have him conscripted.
>tl;dr: I am butthurt over things that don't actually happen during conscription because I once heard some gopnik was raped to death
While the dysgenic effects of mass warfare on a populations' best are clear, the notion of creating a universal penal battalion environment in the army- in the form of an environment of 'duty and fear'- and of trying to utilize leftists & traitors as cannon fodder is an absolutely horrible idea. The former part is like taking the kind of US drill sergeant pageantry and violent hazing like Dedovschina that has already been proven to have an exceptionally negative effect on the cohesion, morale and elan of the troops. The latter is a recipe for creating moles, partisans and saboteurs in regular army formations, or creating entire units of mutineers. Such people are better destroyed outright if they can't be turned; if a beefsteak isn't or can't be cooked brown from the core out, dispose of them.
The core of the perfect army isn't on the purity of its volunteer basis or a universality of conscription. These are both tools, useful in the right place and time, unuseful in the wrong ones. The key is a universal reserve, and a nationwide mindset of inevitable service. Negative reinforcement, body shoveling and barrel scraping is worthless. What you need is solid indoctrination, high esteem and honor, hard-won competency and comradery from as close to cradle to grave as possible. Your model should be the Waffen SS, to some degree the preceding Sturmabteilung, and the idea behind if not the context and execution of the Volkssturm.
You start with the paramilitary youth organizations. You train the young in good scouting abilities and induct in them community and group consciousness, prioritizing the enthusiastic over the flighty and boys over the girls, but you get everyone obligatorily. Fitness programs are mandatory, focusing on cultivating useful strength, stamina, flexibility & freedom of the muscles, and the mindset of active healthiness. When they reach proper shooting ages in mid-adolescence, you get them into rifle cadet clubs, both private and pure state enterprise. Perhaps monthly or at most bi-monthly outings on obligatory basis, with temporary waiver possible and volunteership for additional outings open. You get them familiar with drill, command chains, the duty of the commanded to obey within reason, of the officers to command within reason, and conversely of the commanded to use their intuition in the fulfillment of their orders and the officers to learn the noblesse oblige of he who holds mens' lives in his hands. Both parties learn the basics of necessary sacrifice and intelligent teamwork.
From there, you start sorting through the cadets to prioritize who will go to the army reserve, when, how long and how frequently according to national need and their own career plans & prospects. You figure out who wants to volunteer for further training in non-reserve service, be it officer, specialist or regular classes. Boys go into volunteership or the first line conscript reserve. Girls go into the womens' militia as either trainers or tertiary reservists. The fit go on the line; the relatively unfit are refined to be as fit as they can be. Overall, we're looking at something like the Swiss model, amended for earlier paramilitary training and the incorporation of obligatory womens' training and of their own separate formations; mixed formations are too much trouble, and for last-ditch homeland defense as in the worst case of a losing total war, bushwhacking ladies & guns behind every door will do, they aren't expected to charge up the line or hoof it far unless something is very wrong. Active service training can take after the German wartime at its best. Focus on competency, motivation, willingness to do or die for its own sake and as a collective; Volks ans Gewehr.
You have duty, you have esteem, you have elan, and most importantly these combined with prudence and modern warfare tactics, which given the proper logistical support and the counterbattery to silence the enemy artillery before they can press their quite substantial thumbs onto the scale of infantry warfare will win all battles. If there's no meatgrinder, or you've forced the grinder to the enemies' disfavor, you don't need to think about men as so expendable, nor to worry about the loss of investment into your best men or in dysgenic losses. Cut out pessimism, and then cut optimism with the tools and knowledge to make that optimism an absolute truth.
After all that, with every man, woman and adolescent child receiving increasing degrees of training and service over their lifetime as a civic and national duty, you look at the old who've rotated out of the ordinary reserve, the fogies and the bitties. You don't let them rot. You keep tabs, you keep them up to date, and as a matter of public health as much as military readiness, you keep the old farts together and ready for active militia formation. The war vets who won't let the good old days go quietly, the hard-nosed professional retirees who want to keep themselves busy between their hobbies, hale and hearty, the sharp old battle axes who can't give up the fatigues for aprons entirely, all this entirely by design.
You keep getting them together for shooting meets, just like the young cadet riflemen. You keep them up on their fieldcraft. You keep them informed of the overall geopolitical and strategic situation. You keep them on as guest instructors for the young alongside your active servicemen. You get them on volunteer work for the state, to feel and to be useful as they get on, because you've kept them strong and smart into their golden years so that they remain an asset. And when for medical reason or familial necessity they have to retire from the militia reserve, you retire them with honors, melancholic that they have to go, wishing they could stay. Because you incepted that idealism and service into them from the start. Then, they tell their grandkids about their service and their wars with glasses tinted rosy gold, no matter how horrible the mundane nature of the latter was, because you indoctrinated and educated them thorough & rightly for their own betterment and gave them the most righteous cause, keeping them human through any conflict, no matter how anti-humanitarian and awful the violence gets, becoming neither shellshocked nor psychotic. And so the next generation understands its duties, its struggles and its bright prospects.
Disposable cannon fodder ethics are for faggots, communists, western Allied liemongers, and the absolutely desperate trying to stave off the former parties. If you make every man the best he can be, the same for the girls, and you arm them right from tactical to strategic scale, you don't need and will never have cannon fodder. If the enemy wants to beat you, he has to extinguish you completely, down to the last man, woman & child, and you will make him pay oceans of blood to get there.
Essentially what you're saying is the entire nation needs to be geared up on the basis of fucking someones shit it whether its on someone elses lawn or your own.
Partially, but that's not the root of it. The entire nation needs to be geared up to have its shit together in health, mindset, logistics, and 100% (para)militarization for both the fighting men and all those who support them at home. And with its shit together, no one can take your shit, while those fuckers fucking with you can then get their shit pushed in if absolutely necessary. Strength, readiness, and the honor of personal & collective betterment. Negative eugenics are for the unsalvageable elements, not the first resort as Greek anon seems to think. Positive eugenics in both selection of already good quality subjects and the increase of subject health- passing on at least some epigenetic betterment to their proceed- is the superior model for the vast majority of contexts.
Yes and yes. Since they ended conscription 20 something years ago, everyone I know that was conscripted is well over 40. Which is good if you ask me. The last thing we need are more military dumb-dumbs that are trained in the arts of licking boots clean.
Joking aside, this spartan larping of having everyone in training for even year would fix 80% of our social problems. It'd weed out all the pacifism and mental ills that are ever growing.
>I am going to discount wartime-level attrition rates from suicides because it doesn't match my idealised image of conscription
This is a good idea – youth programs focused on positive reinforcement over long periods of time, rather than a sudden one-time 2 years long shittery to which you are entirely unprepared for and where the mindset is to "weed out the weak". I'd just add that apart from imparting ideals on the troops, it's good to also offer individual rewards – combine soldier's devotion to the country with his personal greed. The system of medals was devised for this purpose (alhough there is was focusing on pride rather than greed), while older armies enticed its troops with the promise of loot and plunder. In aerial warfare, you had killcounts be tracked and things like aces, again for this purpose. Estabilishing such traditions, perhaps even inventing new ones, would go a long way to further the troop motivation, so that every battle doesn't seem just like duty to the country, but also like an opportunity for personal advancement or profit.
I have no problem with conscription to be honest.
The best army is made up a core of professional and backed up by a conscripted regular force.
Also, peace time army should be disbanded or at least employed in a more constructive tasks such as farming.
Washing rocks ain't constructive.
Personally I'd make it a requirement to be a reservist if you want to work for the state. And of course to be a reservist you first have to be an active soldier for some 3-5 years. That way you'd always have people who want to be in the army just to get a comfy government job. And all arms of the government would be interested in an army that's not completely shit, otherwise they personally feel the consequences. Of course it should be a gradual process, e.g. first only members of the police have to be ex-military.
Serving in the army should be a requirement for public jobs and the higher the responsibility the more rigorous training you need to have.
It's fucking retarded that president is just a fat fuck in a suit that needs special forces to tardwrangle him.
We're in an oligarchy not a military meritocracy.
In my country, quarter of all employees work for the state. You'd have massive trouble getting enough people to work for the state if you instated this system. After all, it's not just some politician that works for the state, but also teachers, doctors, any assembly line worker that happens to work in a government-owned company. You should also take into account that the government sector is for the unambitious and unskilled, since the government always pays worse than the private sector, where all the talent goes.
I was fond of what A-H did in this area, though - all state officials, be they receptionists or postmen or whatever have you, had to wear an uniform. It helped remind them that they're not representing just themselves, but also their country.
>quarter of all employees work for the state
>teachers, doctors, any assembly line worker that happens to work in a government-owned company
That's the problem with the way the state is set up, but even if you don't want to change that you should only require actual bureaucrats to be reservists then.
>You should also take into account that the government sector is for the unambitious and unskilled, since the government always pays worse than the private sector, where all the talent goes.
So then the truly unmotivated won't want to be bureaucrats either, because being in the army is too big of a hurdle for that. So you'll have people who are willing and capable of serving in the army, but otherwise just want a comfy job where they don't have to worry about anything. They seem to be the perfect reservists to me, especially because the economy won't miss them that much if you put them into active reserve.
>all state officials, be they receptionists or postmen or whatever have you, had to wear an uniform
Indeed, good uniforms are nice. It's also useful if you go to a government office and have some vague idea about who's who. But you shouldn't go overboard with their designs either. Otherwise you will have simple employees of the state dressed up like if they were marshals and admiral. Pic related.
>if you put them into active reserve
I mean active service, not active reserve.
Total war was in 43 and daddy's goal was to make every German youth at least a semi skilled tradesman, not a retarded bootlicker.
Just do what Onkel Adi did before SHTF in 42 tbh.
Saved for research purposes.
We can't all of us afford openly oven 6 million commies during a war.
> wartime-level attrition rates
Oh no, 18 - 20 year old anarchists, hippies and communists killed themselves. What will we do???
Nothing. As in, your army will be capable of nothing, because it has zero morale or reason to fight, and you will end up with widespread refusal of orders, defection and surrenders.
>I'd just add that apart from imparting ideals on the troops, it's good to also offer individual rewards – combine soldier's devotion to the country with his personal greed.
Agreed, but overt monetary compensation would trample the spirit of service into one of bounty work, loot is immodern and unchivalrous, and while you can do medal programs, can be instituted from the youth scouting days up, you risk making it seem kitschy if you go too hard no matter how sincere you are.
I suggest a beer hall ethic. You do well in the eyes of your command, your comrades and the criteria on the book? Cause to become the toast of the unit, and quite literally. Good shooting groups, best time on the obstacle course, maintained a high living standard during a roughing field expedition, textbook ambush in a mock battle? Cause to raise glass & chair and get buzzed on light beer from the contractor breweries. The reward for personal excellence is all in itself and the personal glory of it. And the good excuse to carouse as wantonly as military readiness will allow, on a rotational basis between units on leave if necessary, probably down to squad level.
I'm going from there and running with it or at least trying. Take that model, make it more total, more all-encompassing.
I'm flattered. I'll take it from these responses that I'm onto something.
> As in, your army will be capable of nothing, because it has zero morale or reason to fight, and you will end up with widespread refusal of orders, defection and surrenders.
We never had those though, not even back when 20+% of the population were not even hellenophones and needed folk translators for simple orders, yet we always had conscription.
>but overt monetary compensation would trample the spirit of service into one of bounty work
For some people, that's the only way to get motivated. You can speak to them of higher ideals for years upon years, from early age, and they still won't care. I know because commies tried it – commie youth groups mandatory if you wanted to have a shot at studying (or you bribed the right people like my dad did), lessons on marxism at school, massive discrimination everywhere if you weren't deemed socialist enough, newspaper full of propaganda… and people still hated communism anyway, mostly because of the shit economy and repression.
Now, beer hall etics are great for many, but many others only care for the material and there's nothing you can do to change that fact. So you either just shrug and leave them unmotivated, or you add some material incentive – those who do listen to the call of higher ideals certainly won't scoff at an additional reward either.
>loot is immodern and unchivalrous
To be honest, it's what happens every time if you use conscripts and the war is serious enough, so saying it's immodern isn't exactly true. Look at Kosovo or Syria.
>everyone that doesn't fit my meatgrinder must be a communist
Right, that's why communists had conscription everywhere. Because it made communists kill themselves.
You also haven't been in a real war since late 40's
>because it has zero morale or reason to fight
<zero morale to fight
Officers all the way down to shitty conscripts, they all want war with albania, skopje and turkey even though they know they can't win. Our military suffers from abysmal government, outdated equipment and an industry incapable of providing enough munitions for more than a few months. But morale-wise it is probably the most bloodthirsty army in Europe.
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>>everyone that doesn't fit my meatgrinder must be a communist
Pardon me but what was the political orientation of all draft-dodgers back in 'nam?
So hypothetically, at some point in time when Señor Hilter led the Axis Powers, Greece could have been enticed to join the Axis Powers just because they would have the Axis to help them reclaim Constantinople and the rest of Anatolia (hypothetically)?
Good guys would have won the war.
>most bloodthirsty army in Europe
Is this their secret sauce?
Imagine being such a cuck you want to compete with Jews, who formerly took over your country and genocided millions of people for their own benefit.
If I was Russian I wouldn't compete with Jews, I would go Mexican cartel with any who tried to oppose me. It's Russia, bribes still work fine.
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>I think high-precision weaponry usually wins the tactical battle
I don't really think they actually care about precision and avoiding collateral.
They do care about precision (which is why the have guided artillery shells and very good "dumb" bomb aiming modules) but they don't care about collateral, because collateral is a really stupid concept, born out of the soviet political agitprop and the US questionable and over-reliance on semi-blind high altitude bombing (it's much better today with everything being guided but before that…).
People bitching about collateral damage will ALWAYS bitch, no matter how you bring the numbers down. The US (all of NATO really) has done so to the point of losing strike efficiency, something russians will likely never do.
There was an Israeli director of Mossad or Shinbet I can't remember that putted it like this:
There is a building with a weapon cache/HQ in it's basement. You know there is the intel is very solid. The only reasonable option at this time is an airstrike.
You have two possibilities:
- You strike it with a 2000lbs bomb and you're gonna heavily damage the adjacent buildings, likely the buildings on the other side of the street too but you're certain the effects of the bomb will reach the basement.
- You use a lighter bomb, one that will only damage heavily only the targeted building, with only doing light damage to the others (500lbs)… and you may or most likely may not actually damage what's in the basement.
The second one is what "reducing collateral damage" is.
You're gonna go "but it's in a urban setting"… but that's the only setting this idea applies.
People getting bombed in the countryside while picking mushrooms don't exist, if they do it's because they of a targeting/intelligence mistake, it's not "collateral damage", it's just human error, which is never going away.
You can clearly see it's not a military concept but a purely political one. In military terms it's called "reducing efficiency", something no army ever does on purpose and is actively fighting against.
So why is Russia immune to it? Because the way the army works. The Russian army is almost totally insulated from the politics in the day to day running of operations and even more in doctrinal POV. Because they learned the really hard way what happens when politics officers are the ones taking real officers decisions (the winter war, all the beginning of WWII), so it's still completely taboo for a politician to go "let me tell you how to fight a war" on them.
You will never see a Russian airstrike under 1000kg. Because it's what it takes to destroy a building properly.
>The US (all of NATO really) has done so to the point of losing strike efficiency
Come on, now. The US doesn't care about even checking targets, which is why they bombed so many civvies in ME. Not to mention the "liberation" of mosul and Raqqa, where they just flattened the place. US just makes a good show of pretending to care about collateral, so they keep telling these fairy tales to the MSM and admitting only very low civilian casualties.
those tanks volunteered to train in ukraine
No. That's the insanity of it, they have hard guidelines in place to reduce the payload that in many case guarantee that, despite the bombing the objective is not met.
So what happens next?
Everyone knows since Stalingrad that reducing a city to rumble is a BAD IDEA, if you have to strike you need to strike with ruthlessness in hope to thoroughly "clean" target strike and thus limiting the amount of strikes that will be needed.
On the case of Raqqa and Mosul it was compounded by the fact that the coalition wasn't officially there so there are a limit to how much you can fuzz the budgets, so they decided to use land artillery (155mm)… which is certainly cheaper but are nearly useless against multi-floors concrete buildings as the shells will blow up in the superior floors and anything important won't be there.
So again you need repeating strikes after strikes to finally get through. which is why, despite a small number of militants, they had to basically level both cities (because the militants were moving from one building to the next once one became too hot).
That's the true madness of it, reducing payload… rise the numbers of strikes… which rise the numbers of collateral damage, probably far more than seeking efficiency.
So what I can gather from this is that Russia makes sure to verify its targets and then shoahs them with an appropriately sized unguided thermobaric warhead while Burgerstan doesn't give much of a fuck about Intel and just spams smart cluster munitions everywhere in the hopes they'll hit something?
Sounds like anti-burger shittalking but comparing the effectiveness if Russian expeditions against goatfuckers vs NATO's it becomes rather obvious the West is doing something wrong which perpetuates goatfuckery and consequent counter-goatfuckery.
>it becomes rather obvious the West is doing something wrong which perpetuates goatfuckery and consequent counter-goatfuckery.
It'd be nice if all those beastiality loving sodomites were burned at the guillotine, all this recent shit is worse than the great auk extinction which was kiked as hell to begin with.
>Burgerstan doesn't give much of a fuck about Intel and just spams smart cluster munitions everywhere in the hopes they'll hit something?
Reminds me of a joke
>Do you know the difference between a muslim wedding and a terrorist training camp?
Neither do I, I'm just a drone operator
Except the intel thing isn't because of a particular attention to it but rather because they don't have that many planes, let alone guided munition (the only one we saw them use in number is a fucking 1500kg bomb, 3306lb, it's the Grozny special for when they want something extra dead) and shit isn't free, therefore what is there can't be everywhere so they make extra sure they don't come out for nothing, because if they do they might not be available when they really need them.
During the whole air campaign in Syria they never had more than 24 "strike" (Su-24/Su-25/Su-34) plane there at the same time and they rode them hard.
Compare it to the coalition which has at least 5 times that, just in Al-Dhafra you have at least 60.
The dumbest kurdish peasant can ask for air support to clear his cousin house that refused to let him rape his niece, they will be there under 15min.
If we want to reduce 'collateral,' primarily political concern or no, why don't we just improve the penetration for the lighter bomb? Make a 500 pounder that crashes through floors like a 2000 pounder, with an explosive load sufficient to destroy a basement armory? Pack it with a dense high explosive and a dash of really aggressive incendiary gunk, gut the building from the bottom up without unduly harming surrounding blocks. Pocket bunker buster. Beside that, why not go down the middle with a 1000 pound bomb that will definitely hit the basement while minimizing damage to unrelated structures?
Hardened case, 500 to 1000 lbs weight classes, penetrator nose & delay fuse, then add a rocket booster like a Disney bomb, with modern guidance to make the thing work. Why did rocket boosted semi-freefall bombs dead end anyways? Guidance doesn't need to be as fancy as a 'proper' sustained flight missile and it gets the boom where it needs to be faster & deeper for not too much additional cost. Like a poor mans' rod from god that doesn't need to drop from low orbit and has enough fun time filling to detonate a munitions dump or gut a safehouse. Or maybe overkill top attack a tank, if you're feeling frisky; in through the top, out through the bottom, then open up a nice big sinkhole underneath. Call it a 'Light Strike Ordnance Package' or some other funny acronymable name, produce it from ersatz materials where possible, bust your typical urban safehouse on the cheap with a leanly dedicated piece of ordnance. Stick 'em on any plane with the weight load and hardpoints to carry a JDAM package. Simple.
original concept DOD do not steal, keep your fucking budget inflationary kike mitts off it
not to mention Russians pound different targets. As far as I know, they never conducted an aerial city bombardment campaign in Syria anywhere near US-scale, instead picking targets even far behind enemy lines, whereas US was mainly providing very direct ground support. I think that's because US proxies are fucking garbage – they get their asses torn without aerial cover, just look at how badly Kurds got trashed by ISIS remnants whenever there was bad weather. If US doesn't keep on bombing, they'll just get pushed back. Meanwhile, SAA could advance on its own even without aerial support, meaning there was no need to call an airstrike on every building between them and objective.
Maybe because you guys don't watch Russian news, we are playing but very quiet … if you don't believe than how do you explain - Nord stream, Aurus, c21 and much more…
never underestimate your enemy
appearing incapable provides the element of suprise among other advantages
You could do all of this but the problem is always the same:
First of all it's not that easy, bombs fall at an angle depending the speed and direction of the plane.
Then you would need to modify something and ask the US military industrial to make it… which will give them an excuse to add a zero or two to the price tag and bill you R&D for 20 years.
Well not really they did a lot of ground support too but they use helicopters and Su-25 for it flying low. You know, specialized stuff designed just to do CAS…
Su-24 if things are bad enough to justify it (with 6x 250kg bombs to to a nice linear carpet somewhere).
And also it seems they don't hesitate to embed singular soldiers that act as JTAC with the syrians. Which is eerily reminiscent of what the US did with MACVSOG (but AFAIK doesn't do anymore, not because it doesn't work but because it's not exactly safe. Making war safer. Again, same weird doctrine).
>Making war safer. Again, same weird doctrine
It's a political decision. Burgers at home don't care if a gorillion proxies die – dozen, hundred, thousand, ten thousand… it's completely irrelevant. But even one dead burger will get into the news and people will start questioning the necessity of the war.
I actually have an example for this. A bunch of Czech troops got killed while holding US cocks in Afghanistan. Immediately, people started asking for us to pull out. Some idiot actually shittalked the troops in a bar, talking about how they're just dirty mercs that are fighting for US interests and how them getting killed by Taliban is just what they deserve… only he started saying it while sitting right next to troops that just came back from Afghanistan and were drinking on their dead buddies. He got fucked up and the troops got charged with assault and jailed, but still, a few dead nationals equals a significant buzz at home, which is something you absolutely do not want to happen when conducting war in some shithole that doesn't benefit the people.
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But we have guided fin-adjust freefall bombs already, all we're doing is adding a rocket booster- both for increased terminal speed and a bit of extra grunt in course correction than just the fins alone- and a chunkier nosecap & maybe case with a new fuse, with additional length/sectional density overall. Attack angle variations or no, it's literal 1945 technology limited only by analog guidance and thus poor accuracy, because it sure as shit doesn't have penetration problems. The Disney bomb, admittedly a 4500 pound monster design, could get straight through 14-17 or so feet of reinforced concrete roofing. A modern 500 pounder punching through multiple floors of a habitation block to get the Jihadi goodies in the basement is childs' play by comparison, especially if the penetration depth can be electronically varied through the bomber instruments. With an analog backup fuse set pre-mission, of course. Don't want to leave a dud behind, so it can work as a crappy micro-yield earthquake bomb as a last resort if it critically overpenetrates.
The Germans even got their own preceding rocket boosted designs, not sure when they were incepted, down to at least 1000 pounds with the PC 500 RS, and the entire RS series consisted of barely modified PC series warheads with a long new back end behind them. They weren't even using high quality TNT only either, it was a cast TNT main charge in the nose and then ersatz grades in sandwiched layers behind it. Modest explosive load, but it was meant to crack serious bunkers and armored ship decks to hit what's inside, same as the Disney bomb. Surely Burger industry couldn't take (a) decade(s) and billions of dollars to reinvent the wheel making a slim & heavy armor-piercing JDAM with a glorified solid fuel bottle rocket bolted on the tail. Right? Some things have to be too simple to even deliberately fuck up for more defense dollars. Surely they do.
>KIKI Delivery Service
Did you change the texture there or is that a legit anime reference?
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Lol that shit never existed, it's just an American kike meme to stole oil and gold from others.
Mark 82s with a standard delay fuse are already capable of penetrating five floors deep into your average commieblock, we just never bothered to make a delay-fused guidance kit for bombs under 2000lbs (mostly because such a weapon would create a $50k competitor to Boeing's new $250k "low collateral" bombs). We even have a stockpile of rocket-boosted Paveways (AGM-123) just sitting around in a warehouse somewhere because the USN never figured out a good use for them.
It might go one or two floors…. but I doubt it can penetrate five floors into a brick house, much less a stressed rebar/concrete commieblock. Look at the balkans, they were shooting medium artillery into apartment blocks and they often did so little damage that after the war they just spackled over it and painted the building.
The bombs nose would be smashed and it would rotate on the first floor, then smash sideways into the second floor where it might crack it, but wouldn't go through.
>Hazing is very much part of militaries anywhere, though it ranges in harshness.
They keep romanticizing the army, but the state really. A far cry from the well mannered, educated, noble warriors mothers think their sons would become if entering the "legions".
How the rite of passage that was important to all cultures and nearly entirely gone nowadays is turned into a parody, an excuse for the shittiest form of degrading inhumane bullying.
I wouldn't blame a very tame prank and one or two modest chores on newfish but that's about it. One must lead by example. This appeals naturally to the vast majority of men and women who look for a guide/leader/fuhrer/messiah. It's the same principle everywhere.
As much as I condone your move from (I assume) a relatively nobody to paratrooper, that's pretty much an elite spot you found there. A very good one, true, but not representational of the majority. This does not provide support to your arguments though. I don't see how pushing your average man into a completely fucked up system that would allow subhumans to bully whites suddenly means the white men going through this shit are commies. That's, frankly, stupid. Then, on the other hand, if going through that shit pretty much guarantees higher probabilities of having a modestly fulfilling life than staying in the civilian cycle, it just speaks volumes about the shit-clown country you're living in, one on its last leg and probably not to be praised much. Not all countries are Third Reich material either.
Finally, I can understand your frustration and glee in the idea of purging shit, but that's you venting because of the generalized western faggotry that does spread to the east too.
You sure you're serving the right country though?
I did some looking around, found some company advertising their 500lb bomb. According to the sales pitch, it can penetrate 4 floors, along with a whole host of buzzwords. I also took a look at some historical resources to try and get a better picture.
>Japanese Type 98 Number 25 Model 1 Land (WWII)
527.8 lb total weight, 213.7 lb HE, Capable of penetrating 16" (40 cm) of reinforced concrete. It also states that the Model 1 Ordinary could penetrate 20 to 40 feet, but seems to be referring to the target being a ship in this case.
That kind of proves me right dude, the image there literally says a Mk82penetrates <1 floor.
>Even the submarines are built with a single hull and stainless goddamn steel, a design not useful for fighting enemy submarines, clearly designed to increase their raw numbers and danger to civilian shipping. The only warships with any punching power are air defense cruisers, but that's not an offensive weapon so much as a means to prevent the civilians' governments from protecting them. Don't throw stones in glass houses especially after providing sarin to sandniggers.
America does not actually fight wars any more, they either use proxy agents or terror bomb populations until they revolt.
Basically they do the politically correct version of fire bombing cities.
All this anti conscription talk… It works fine if your populace isn't subhuman enough to abuse every ounce of power they get. Most people here have a grand old time in the FDF and leave with good memories. It can work just fine depending on the people that make up the fighting force.
It's not about whether or not it works or not, it's more about how it infringes on your rights as a free man. How is it any different from slavery, being forced to work for the government for a year without choice?
>Estonigger thinks conscription is the same as slavery
If you want citizenship, and benefits for being a citizen, you are expected to pay into the system. Many countries have opt outs for conscription, but you loose benefits.
It is not about you being a "free man" it is about you willingly participating in a community. Technically you can not participate, but you should not expect benefits if you do.
Expecting social benefits of living in a society, without participating just means you only want the gibs.
Tbf it kinda was for Balts couple of decades ago.
>the great auk extinction which was kiked as hell to begin with
Redpill me on Pinguinus' extinction please.
>What benefit does wasting a year of your life have for anything or anyone, exactly?
Dunno? How about deterrence against foreigners that want you literally enslaved?
>It works fine if your populace isn't subhuman
>slavs and turks
(((Wealthy Europeans))) deliberately drove the great auk to extinction so their collections of auk eggs would be worth more.
Probably for the same reason all those mercenary outfits were consolidated into the "national guard" of Ukraine. Somebody somewhere is going to use them as their personal, political tool to shoot at people they find inconvenient. Then they're going to use nationalism and general retardation to excuse this away.
>another Macedonian on /k/
I thought I was the only one. Tell me something, brother, why do our special forces wear women's stockings on their heads? Who thought fishnets looked tactical?
It isn't otherwise you'd demonstrate why.
You mean unmotivated drains? No, a purely professional army is the way to go. Nobody says this can't be tied into some sort of service scheme. I think citizenship should be earned through filling out 2 of the following: military service, land ownership or a certain, very high degree of academic/scientific achievement.
This scheme would both encourage development of the defense complex, people to join the military(which could be further bolstered with benefits like health and education subsidies or land deals) and it would encourage a national spirit with everyone having some degree of personal and material investment into the whole.
It would make the nation simultaneously more conservative, more unwilling to let go of it's core values in the pursuit of comfort, and at the same time more libertarian as certain things such as firearms and property rights would have to be guaranteed and the general population would be more willing and able to defend them.
Fucking Viets, only a retarded rice nigger could think of something this retarded. In any case, in most civilized countries the army is often used for civil engineering projects like building roads and airports(because they need those too).
The army exists to defend the nation, not farm rice. That kind of exercise would only serve to detract from it's core goal, encourage laziness among agricultural businesses, extend state power and overall leave everyone worse for wear.
I think the perfect army would be made of 30% full-time volunteers and 70% conscripts. Infantries quality just don't change too much between the two. The idea of a fully volunteered army just screams mercenary to me.
And farming, civil engineering, same shit. What matters is that your army has no down-time washing rocks.
It's a cargo cult culture. Real countries wear things like that because it's cheaper and easier than applying facepaint to break up an outline, and some masks like those developed by your neighbors provide FLIR protection. But they have purpose built cutouts for mouth and nose because you might need to drink and see things.
I have nothing against educating kids about military history, tactics and having military oriented PT, maybe even teaching the high school age kids about guns in shop class. That's already in the budget, it gets people young when their minds can still absorb the information, and it's not abusing them or taking advantage of them.
But taking a 18-19 year old and using him as free labor for a couple of years to do useless pointless shit means your economy does not get the benefit of that person being there for that period of time! Not to mention the huge drain that goes into feeding and training a whole generation of people. The net loss for your country that conscription created is far worse than any welfare program.
First off, Russian weaponry disregards human safety and comfort, making it cheaper, yet, just as effective.
From an economis standpoint yes, Russian GDP is low because people eat shit with grechka, while most of the money goes to government. And we do live off of exports because poorly paid, uneducated citizens don't contribute much to country's economics other than being a cheap labor.
At the same time, lots of money goes to military indirectly. Like, if there is a factory - it most likely also produces parts for military. If there is a research going on - it's too, probably, for military.
We have an electronics manufacturer that produces chips too shitty for consumer market. That's because it's main purpose is to produce electronics for military - resistant to electromagnetic impulses and gamma rays.
We've launched our own GPS - GLONASS, for military.
We've had a couple phone companies started, that produce phones made specifically for the needs of government officials.
We've built a fucking useless bridge to Crimea - so that the troops can get there faster.
We Invest heavily into space, but commercial space launches are just a cover up. Most of it goes into ICBM's and research for other missiles.
We have our own aircraft manufacturing. Yet, our airlines use almost exclusively foreign airliners. Probably because they are too busy building jets.
and so on and so on…
Fuck, forgot to turn that dirty capitalistic VPN connection off.
And just noticed that 8ch is censored in Russia.
eh… HEIL PUTIN!
It is an outdated view to think americans are not multicultural. When you post with an american flag it is very likely to be some form of mexicunt nigger hybrid and unlikely to be anything resembling a patriotic white person. Everyone is an american.
Read something interesting today on US and Russian bombardments in Syria
>uses complex and expensive guided "smart" bombs for pinpoint strikes
>uses cheap unguided "dumb" bombs but employs specialized computer sub-system SVP-24 Gefest, which allows the use of unguided munitions as high-precision weapons.
>The bombing accuracy is 4-7m from the altitude of 5-6km.
Essentially, US uses JDAM, "The Joint Direct Attack Munition kit", which you strap to an old as shit bomb, making it "smart", but you of course lose the kit when the bomb explodes and it costs money (JDAM comes at around $25k per bomb, according to wikipedia). Russians instead developed a system that feeds satellite, ground, weather, and other aircraft's data into the plane's onboard computer that calculates the best position and direction to launch the dumb bomb from, achieving a comparable result at fraction the price since you can use the subsystem in this way as many times as you like.
It's the same with their missiles. Laser guided (launching post/vehicle does all the work), with the few simple/cheap sensors facing rearward to make them pretty much un-jammable too. Which why they're cheap, the post are expensive but the ammo isn't (and they made even more efforts to reduce the cost per round, since it's a one use only, most modern Russian missiles are made in a cheap-ass polymer, instead of plane grade aluminum).
It's just tells you how corrupt the western MIC is.
No sane engineer on the fucking planet is gonna put extremely expensive gizmo complicated into something that is disposable, the first thing he's gonna ask himself is how to do the same thing without it… if he doesn't do so it's something he was specifically asked, because doing otherwise would reduce product profitability.
Want to hear a tale I witnessed? France, like pretty much all NATO, went into Afghanistan without MRAPs.
When shit started to hit the fan, it was decided that at least the combat engineers should have some to open roads, they went to the french MIC and asked for an anti-ambush heavy armor APC on a crash program, with dotation limited to afghanistan (a dozen vehicles).
Design to service took less than 5 months.
They took an unimog 5000 chassis, put the biggest Mercedes power pack that fit on it, then designed a V-hull and armor package, let a space for the regular french RWS mount (7.62 up to 20mm) and delivered them all in one batch for around €500k each.
They're insanely cheap to maintain (all the mechanical parts that need maintenance are mainstream civilian market parts), they have stupid performance due to to the fact they're slightly overpowered despite being a "true" level IV STANAG (kinetic, blast, arty), they fit in C-130s, are relatively light (12.5t), etc…
So when the time to change french APCs… they weren't even considered and instead you have 25t POS, that isn't a V-hull, isn't a true Level IV and cost 2M per.
>No sane engineer on the fucking planet is gonna put extremely expensive gizmo complicated into something that is disposable
He will if he is on an unlimited budget. Because "sure the bomb is twice as expensive, but is like 0.5% more accurate!" (this is the argument for JDAM instead of doing the same thing as Russians, btw. Americans actually had the same idea as Russa with F-111s decades ago, but the computational tech wasn't at today's level and the result was too inaccurate to be used, so they scrapped the whole thing. Today, since they already went with JDAMs they instead go "b-b-but our airstrikes are a tiny bit more precise! And that matters, or you end up bombing six million bakeries, like Russians did in Aleppo!")
The issue with US is that the government forks out massive sums to MIC without a second thought, and the MIC knows this, so why not make ridiculously expensive shit? The more expensive it is, the more you can milk the state for it, after all. And so you get all this complicated and expensive bullshit that technically outperforms the Russian equivalent by a small margin (something used to justify the price), but costs several times as much. Russians literally cannot afford this approach, and so cost to performance ratio is the focus.
TELL ME ABOUT MACEDONIA! WHY DO THEY WEAR THE MASK?
A lot of loyalty for a misthophoroi!
Those are bulgarian rape babies, also known as skopje
The Democrats are psychotic… they’re trying to turn the U.S. against Russia just so that they can get boomers to vote Democrat… fucking psychos…
t. Lockheed-Martin-Marietta, The Sole Combat Jet Manufacturer
>[/spoiler]shit acutally killed more enemis than allies xD?[/spoiler]
Dear fellow russian streloks, please clue me in, does recently reported civilian pilot education crisis affects the military?
If military have their own teaching facilities, why civilian wanna-be pilots don't consider it as a viable career path then?
 there were news that there's basically one or two schools for pilots left, and their equipment is all breaking down. Students wait 10 years in line for their practical exams.
Are you implying America now is more capitalist than it was before the new deal?
>Then you have the Okhrana
Are you sure it's called that, anon? I'm pretty sure Okhrana was the name of Russian Empire's (back when it had a Tsar) secret police, and I'd be pretty surprised if Russia named a police force after it, since it had a pretty bad PR
"Okhrana" is a common word that literary just means "security"/"guard".
Cold War era ameri-boomers like to take common russian words and think that they are some special given name, because they sound exotic I guess.
Tsar's secret police was properly called "Department for Protecting the Public Security and Order" and whatever bad PR it had (and how much of it were commie smears anyway?), it is totally eclipsed by bad PR of Cheka/NKVD.
I don't know in which retarded rag you saw that.
If anything there were too many private flight schools in Russia and dubious international schools (over 100), same as they were too many companies. Both due to the 90's "privatizations" (IE people who just looted aeroflot stuff) and the relatively low bar to get a pilot license (inherited from soviet time… as no one actually did got one of those without a shitload more work and vetting than the actual requirement).
Which after the crash of the Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363 in 2014 were revealed to be "pay to be certified" non-schools which led to a first wave of licensing suspension, schools and company shutdown by gov' order. It seems to be ok for a while but after the Flydubai Flight 981's crash in 2016 and the initial reports read literally the same (pilot with dubious training), the gov' has decided to purge civilians aviation with a fucking flamethrower, as in they used the smallest infraction to revoke licenses and rights to operate.
As in private schools went from 100+ to 0, the gov' suspended 500+ pilots licenses (about 10%), etc…
Meaning that today you can only graduate either from the military and then convert to civilian after re-training or from a state institute.
The kvetching comes from usual from people that lost that sweet sweet bribe money that allowed them to rubber stamp pilot licenses and which greed ended up killing hundreds and the morons that think that 120 hours of a PC game and 80 of practice makes you a "trained professional".
National flight school might be old but at least the state know you did showed up to class…
You're confusing it it for Oprichina.
Don't forget, paying for sex changes because it's important to implement diversity that reflects today's society in the United States of Forced Globohomo Diversity.
A few (basically similar) articles questioning the effectiveness of Russian SAMs.
The U.S. Air Force Fears for Its F-15s and F-35s vs. Russia's S-400. But
Russian air defense to rely on more efficient system than Pantsir-S1, Pantsir-M
Is Russia's S-400 a Real Air Force Killer or a Paper Tiger?
Exactly How Dangerous Are Russia and China's A2/AD Weapons?
>Reliable source and not just a clickbait shitsite!
>all other links don't work
>commonly abbreviated in modern sources
Even Wikipedia says it's anachronistic western bullshit, okhrana just mean "guard" it's far too common and simple to have had any kind of special meaning in Russian.
Commies back then probably used "Okhranotdie" (dept. of the guard) or "Fontanka", something like that to speak of the tsar police, just like you says "Lubyanka" for the KGB/FSB.
National interest article explains it, its possible to overwhelm large systems like S400 and S300 with macross fire - since a battery of S400/300 can only take out a full carrier complement of aircraft before taking under an hour to reload…. but a few ohios worth of cruise missiles would get through.
The article doesnt mention that the Russian analyst concluded this is why systems like tor and pantsir exist. Theyre designed to shoot down these targets and get reloaded in under 10 minutes.
The Rusdian analyst was calling for more of these systems to be bought, and the Russian government listened and bought hundreds of trucks with thousands more to come. Not to mention development of systems like S-350 and Morfey in addition.
>useless bridge to Crimea -
Even without your flag, the CIAing is obvious. *The bridge was needed because in its structure it carries water and power which Ukraine cut to the people it presumably still considers citizens of Ukraine?* *Its like your arm reflexively grabs a breast, so you declare that the breast annexed your arm illegally, and you solve that problem by cutting off your arm.*
Its advertisement for F35
It's "Okhranka", moron.
> but a few ohios worth of cruise missiles would get through.
The whole point of SA-20 system unlike their western counterparts is their mobility.
If they see such a massive strike coming they can just pack up and leave.
That's one of the gigantic problems with tomahawks, assuming ships stay out of range of coastal batteries they're at such a distance it takes 20 to 30 minutes of flight of a tomahawk to just reach the shoreline.
It takes only 5 minutes for a SA-20 TEL or TELAR to pack up and begin to move out from it's firing position, 15 maximum for the more complicated elements.
So yeah saturation strike works… but you can't achieve SEAD that way, dispersion of assets and field repairs (for airways) are still a thing for Russian styled army. A big point of those defense is to force the enemy to rely on long range strike that gives you enough of an advance notice to not get anything too important hit.
So such strike would still only have minimal effect except burning half a billion of $US tax money.
You're forgetting that, at the demographic level, neither blacks nor Mexicans can write proper English.
At the demographic level, however, it is highly probable that a Finnish poster is a Mongolian bastard.
>>produce their own shit
>You'd be surprised at how much worse this system is. The US abandoned it during Vietnam because it only served to further the nepotistic interests of those within that system at the detriment of the actual troops doing the fighting.
>As fucked up as it sounds, the retarded military-industrial system of the US today produces higher quality equipment faster and with less dead soldiers than the legacy system of in-house production and development.
I have met many Americans (including uniformed military men), and most of them have been wonderful, loving, humane people. However, the bloodsuckers of the USA defense industry are the worst type of Americans. The present-day for-profit system of weapons procurement is a disgrace to the USA. I can't imagine that the in-house system was worse, but perhaps the in-house system was run by families of psychopaths and those same families still run the for-profit system. The USA needs to clean the house of its defense procurement.
From what I read, picrelated's main innovation was producing 80% of rocket in-hose, which allowed them to be more flexible and fast with R&D and cut costs of production in half.
Recoverability of first stage is just a small bonus on top.
This should apply to milincom as well.
It's the same situation with Roskosmos.
In fact I consider both SpaceX and Roskosmos "private space companies" which receive subsidies from their government and are partly controlled by that government, have about the same number of secret government contracts and private income coming in from foreign customers.
The higher ups in Roskosmos like the CEO/Director Rogozin are effective owners who get dividends and profits from the corporation just like the SpaceX board. Although media calls this corruption and theft, they did actually work for the money, so I'm not seeing how it's theft just because they don't hand it over to the government.
Rogozin and Elon even have the same personalities.
Roscosmos is a state owned company.
It works just like a regular company, the only different is that the main shareholder is the state, meaning the state (it's government) appoints the board and thus decide of the company policies. It also mean that in case of profits the biggest part should go back to the state.
Which is a "natural" entity when 90% of your activity is in fact working for government contracts (IE people taxes). If the company somehow managed to make money, well it's a saving going back to the state budget. And not all of it goes back as an incentive for the leadership of that company to work hard (and therefore save at least some tax money) and to attract extra funding via markets shares.
Now sure since it's ultimately all the same group of people that decide both the boards seats, the contracts, the pricing and where the profits go, there is a clear systemic risk of corruption.
Which is why such entity must always be watched by an independent entity with judicial powers. That, elections (no one likes corrupt officials) and a decent press (to tattle on them if the judicial entity is comprised) are more than enough systemic barrier such corruption risk stays low (and why it's a problem in Russia as the press is more preoccupied with installing their "democratic" overlords than actually do it's job and United Russia in a systemic position to win all the elections. But you can clearly see that comes from a much broader problem than the system in itself).
SpaceX type of scheme can only lead to corruption.
SpaceX is a privately owned company which activity is also 90% of government contracts and is even getting government subsides.
But since it's NOT government owned, it's board is doing whatever they want and they have every reason to bill as much as they can and they get all the profits they can make.
It could work with concurrence driving down the prices, but the fact is that major government work DON'T have concurrence. At best they're "captive" markets (markets were due to regulation or insanely high investment there can only be a handful of historical actors. Typically stemming from previous governmental subsided activity) at worst they're pure monopolies.
So in such situation the logical next step to boost profits is to hire lobbyists that will spend part of those profits to make sure politicians sign whatever numbers are on the contracts.
Which is the definition of corruption (and has reach such a size in most western country that shit isn't even considered illegal… despite the fact that it obviously is extremely noxious to anyone with half a brain).
It's how you get Lockheed, GE, Raython, but also AT&T, IBM, etc…
Obviously the competition isn't big, but it's currently significant enough to restrict maneuvering space in regards to pricing. If they try to extort too much, there are many people who'll happily lobby for NASA and their local subcontractors, or threaten to buy from allies. The threat may not be terribly great, but loosing 90% of your income would be catastrophic enough to make you think twice.
With no local competition, Roscosmos isn't in such position and buying foreign would be terrible PR for the government, even from …. "allies" like China.
>lobby for NASA
NASA is part of the government. It doesn't need to lobby – it gets it's money not from contracts, but directly from the country budget. Even if all they did all year was trip on acid, they'd still get billions in funding. NASA is not really comparable to either SpaceX or Roskosmos because it's not really a company.
Yeah, but they have to use the money certain way. And either they'll spend it on out-sourced solutions like SpaceX, our they'll build something in-house - and that may not matter to people at NASA all that much, but it certainly matters to all the subcontractors who would benefit from the latter; and they certainly need to lobby and would like nothing more than NASA ditching SpaceX and giving the money to them instead.
Can you provide an example of such a subcontractor?
Recently served in the Russian army conscription here.
Ask your questions.
who is you're waifu
Sucked any dicks?
How unpopular is it?
How much actual training do you get, compare to doing dumb discipline shit?
Northrop Grumman who makes the solid boosters for SLS. Literally just looked up "sls solid boosters" and https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/SLSSolidRocketBoosters/Pages/default.aspx was the first result.
Nope. But there is a story of how one guy was forced to drink sperm for stealing. Actually it is all the story.
Quite popular actually.
After a year in worse than prison conditions, almost everyone has post-traumatic syndrome in the form of pride of their service.
Just google "Russian demobilization photos", the first two pictures should hint how bad everything is.
Once a week they gave us pelmeni and milk.
It tasted like delicacy after all the rest of the shit, even if I hated pelmeni and milk back when I was civilian. You just getting used to it, you don't think of it like of something you must getting joy of. You take it as a necessary process that just keeps you alive and gives energy.
Very little. 50% of all time we were engaged in any kinds of work — digging trenches, building state-owned buildings, laying asphalt, sweeping puddles with a broom (no joke), cleaning the snow that going at that time.
And 40% we were engaged in "dumb discipline shit" as you precisely described.
And I served in Anti-Terrorist Special Forces unit of Strategic Rocket Forces (guys who securing nukes). Sounds like a big deal? Now you know what special forces doing in Russia.
But actually we did some training on the last 10%.
Occasionally we practiced combat maneuvers when a certain object was seized in a military town.
For example, the seizure of a hospital, the neutralization of terrorists in the theater, the blocking of the road with APCs, the search for a bomb, and other things that anti-terror unit should deal with. But all this fun part was like few weeks of all the year.
You know, it's pretty funny to watch someone from outside Russia speak out in favor of the country's defense. After serving this year in one of the most important types of troops, I realized how everything was rotten from the inside. I mean the whole army as a whole. I am 146% sure that with a full-scale invasion this country no one can protect. Conscripts here as slaves do not have to talk about morale. Contractors become because of money and because they do not need any special skills, as for other professions. Basically, 99% of all personnel that I saw in the army are worthless bureaucrats with an overestimated ego and zero combat experience. In fact, the worthy officers and contract soldiers with whom I met were precisely those who had experience in hostilities. But this is only a small percentage of tens of thousands who are interested only in money and career growth. The rest will run away at the start of any major military conflict that will threaten their situation.
As for common soldiers, they are simply monstrously incompetent in any kind of troops, which provides for conscription service. In general, no one is interested in them being competent.
This is a common story for a russian conscript soldier, when he has not fired more than 6 rounds for all his service.
But at home, he will certainly tell everyone what a wonderful army we have and how he was made a great defender of the motherland - as i said it's some kind of PTSD here.
Sounds still better than officers' sensitivity training and tranny "professional" soldiers tbh.
We are killing roaches on an annual basis in unrecognized skirmishes and we are deterring a large scale infestation, it has nothing to do with kikes and l doubt that our NATO expedition casualties have reached two digits.
>We are killing roaches on an annual basis in unrecognized skirmishes
Now, I understand that asking for proofs is futile, since they're unrecognzed, but where did you get this information from?
t. not cia
Maybe, but if you can't even shoot after a year of service - what kind of soldier you are?
Sounds about what I'd expect, then.
>I realized how everything was rotten from the inside
Well, the thing in favour of Russia is that in any military conflict, the opposing party will be just as rotten on the inside. Seriously, I know many over there have this mindset that the West is somehow ahead and more sophisticated or whatever, but it is not. The corruption is running rampant, only it is usually legalized or better hidden than the classic eastern oligarchs.
>But this is only a small percentage of tens of thousands who are interested only in money and career growth.
That's basically every army in the world, though.
Because our military is a joke and we're underfunded. Also nobody from here posts on /k/ since nofuns lol. Most are on /v/.
How do normalfags over there deal with the fact that you practically surrendered half your cunttree to mudslime subhumans after WINNING an armed conflict against them you did not provoke?
Same thing you guys went through with Cyprus. To put things into perspective: gen z is too young to care, millennials forgot, boomers are still upset about muh Yugoslavia and muh tito, so that leaves gen x as the sole generation to carry the war in the public conscience and they absolutely hate the zergs for it.
Wew don't be so generous. We lost due to a technicality in international law/human rights or whatever jewish word magic, enforced by NATO prevented our guys from just cleaning house. If you want I can give you a slightly more detailed summery of what happened, but you're better off reading the wiki. It's why nobody on the Balkans can fight the albozergs and hope to win, so count your rosary that shit doesn't hit the fan down there.
The russian defence sector does exactly the same as the american one does, they charge as much as they can.
The russian MoD has been complaining about new helicopters beig too expesive as is.
Russia being Russia, you just gt randomly shot some day or drop from a window if you expse corruption or grift.
Or in best case get just jailed for exposing "vital secrets vital for national security".
Didn't they privatize a lot? So the companies that get contracts have either good products or good contacts.
Russian semiconductor industry lags the west by 5-25years depending on the field and mostly exists to sell expensive rad hard and space grade parts to the govt.
There's sometimes bright spots but thye fade.
I genuiney want to buy current production russian parts, but they are all expensive space grade shit with 1992 specs.
I find that "single megafactory" thing a bit hard to belive when they had to evacuate manufacturers from ukrainian territories to continue production of vital helicopter parts.
The american "hire tons of people to do manual labor in state-X" for defence stuff is how stuff works in USA.
ANd in NATO the distribution of manufacturing for some gear is siply because everybody wants a piece of the pie/know how.
That's why stuff like NH90 helicopters got assembled in countries buying them.
M understanding on electrical warfare on the russian side is more about just being able to jamm everything with shitloads of power and to survive jamming by running shitloads of power.
Their UHF/VHF long range radar diguised as datalinks is brilliant tho.
But RDF and sophisticated jamming? They are behind the west on that.
lol @"only for sinking civilian shipping".
A modern missile would sink Bismark, armor mean nothing against mdern torpedos or missiles.
It just adds weight which prevents you from manouvering faster.
If your ship is under HMG or cannon fire then you hve fucked up bad and armor won't save you from your incomptence.
They did buy those Mistrals from France, until the Ukranian thing and getting sanctioned.
Ain't Russian collages and universities free like in most other developed nations?
Conscription needs to be done well for it to be worth anything. That requires accounta bility on all levels and that did not exist in soviet times.
Here it works quite ok and folks can leave servie with usable skills, usually better class drivers licenses for trucks and for transporting people and explosives, practical experience on working with networks, programming, heavy equimpent repair, crowd control & other guard/police stuff.
Or just learn cool shit and be a paratrooper, ELINT dude or just spesialize in urban warfare for shits & giggles.
Most of my time was not total shit and it was decent.
We are wasting money on the conscription because we can't afford an effective and realistic defence if we had a professional army.
Sweden is a good example of a disgrace like that, with their army commander admiting that Russia could conquer them in two weeks max.
At the same time Russia is cutting pensions, medical care, scholing and all that.
The drop in oil price hit them really hard.
Russia could have been so much more, it's sad to see how shit things are now.
>nobody on the Balkans can fight the albozergs and hope to win
What are they gonna do? Beg daddy america to come save them?
Yes? That's pretty much how they won every territorial claim of theirs even though they had their asses handed every single time.
America will shell the evil nazis with depleted uranium and then follow up with niggers to rape the locals.
>If you want I can give you a slightly more detailed summery of what happened
please do. I want to see your take on it and not the official globohomo account.
>During the conflict in Kosovo in 1999, Skopje opened its borders to thousands of Kosovo Albanian refugees who were fleeing into the country. According to figures released by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), on 17 May there were 229,300 Kosovo Albanian refugees in Skopje. The number of Albanian refugees in Skopje at that stage was more than 11% of the country's population. According to the U.S. Committee for Refugees, around 360,000 Kosovo Albanian refugees repatriated in the second half of 1999.
>Skopje's ability to receive refugees was limited, because contingency planning assumed only 20,000 refugees. Despite all the difficulties, Skopje accepted refugees according to international standards until the end of the war.
Can someone explain why literally every Former Yugoslav country went to make it their mission to either submit to globohomo or stab the Serbs in the back? I expect this from the Croats but taking shqiptars in that number to a country so small and as a result working to legitimize the Kosovo lie is really a low point. I thought VMRO and the FYROM Sorry, Skopje right wing made their peace with the Serbs and eastern aligned slavs?
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Also reminder that Macedonia is Greek and that it has nothing to do with Skopje, a place that is nothing more than a bunch of lost bulgarian and albanian rape babies, speaking a retarded bulgarian dialect and thinking they wuz alexander. Anyone calling those things 'Macedonians' will suffer consequences
>a retarded bulgarian dialect
They just speak Bulgarian with an accent. You need some differences to be a dialect.
>I find that "single megafactory" thing a bit hard to belive
People have no idea what large scale heavy industry is until they see Russia.
We're talking cities of 100k, 200k, 300k that have de facto ONE employer and ONE factory.
It's one of the reason their economy crashed so hard when the commies state stopped ordering shit and why they have "oligarchs".
A guy owning a factory can have de facto the charge of more people than almost every EU politicians.
That's the result of communism: slavery get shits done.
Pretty much Krupp on steroids minus the benefits.
Eh, a good portion of the country speaks Torlakian which is a transitional dialect between shtokavian and bulgarian intelligible to both.
AAHAHHHAH the Hellenic mod edited my post lmao. nice one Constantine. It was a quote but fair enough.
Yes, that's exactly what they'll do.
>bunch of albo "nadional liberadorrs :DDD" show up demanding muh rights and duo language
>military gets sent in because they're basically armed terrorists
>start of war
>military is kicking ass
>albos take up a near by village and houses as cover
>military starts shelling houses because why take casualties
>NATO hears about this and sends diplomats to sort things out
>NATO says those are civilian buildings despite the fact that there's armed insurgents occupying them
>get forced into a ceasefire
>terrorists break ceasefire because lol they're terrorists
>kill a bunch of our guys in an ambush
Same thing that happened in Serbia except we're stuck with 250k zergs. It's demoralizing that there's nothing anyone can do against them because both the American government and international community use albos as their cudgel to spread their influence. It's worth mentioning that one of the diplomats was part of the tribe.
We'll most likely bombard them back to mongolia in our lifetime
Be glad that the JewSA, EU, and NATO are going to collapse soon.
Then genocide the albos to your hearts' content while the rest of the collapsed western world cries bitch tears.
Why did burgerland chose to sponsor literal subhumans?
Without them albos would be nothing more than shit stain on tapestry of history.
To justify being able to wave their dick in the Balkans.
NATO getting involved in the Yugoslav wars was bullshit. The Balkans should be left alone to fix itself naturally.
Not so much innovation as necessity. He tried purchasing refurbished ICBMs from russian military but "they charged too much" so he made his own rockets. He indeed made them cheaper, but that just goes to show that when the government is pouring the money to make it happen, engineers spare no expense at making it excellent. Sparing no expense results in very expensive hardware. You know there's good reason why SpaceX doesn't flies astronauts to the ISS.
Lina Inverse Best Wizard.
Does metaphorically sucking your own dick count? Otherwise no.
Zoomers would bitch and moan about it to no end but where I served a lot of people actually wanted to go rather than got dragged in. I blew my conscription suspension by failing a uni so I had to go. Didn't really want to be there but I didn't had much of objection to that either.
Adequate. Mostly just soup, mashed potato or cabbage, chicken, and basic salad. On inspection days they'd serve better quality food and in full range of what we're actually supposed to get, which included red fish meat. You could go buy any other food or sweets or whatnot but you must immediately eat it, because there are no refrigerators in the barracks and obviously you're not allowed to keep food in a fucking drawer.
Dumb discipline shit amounted to bi-weekly nighttime disciplinary exercise. People would stop fucking up so much over time so it got winded down to pretty much nil. Out of 24 hours in a day, 12 was allotted to training. I was in electronic warfare corps so it was mostly classroom studying and field exercise with the equipment, physical training was tertiary, and we barely got to shoot the rifles at all.
People would sometimes off themselves during conscription, or worse, would get beaten to death. So all this shit is getting a very bad rap. Not entirely undeserved - I've had my fair share of getting bullied around by some douche (he somehow managed to get physical on a guy much bigger and stronger than himself without him retaliating out of some superstitious fear of repercussions). But it's not nearly as bad as zoomers make it out to be.
A historical holdover from the times where only officers were considered valuable and as such the rest were drafted with no expectation for them to survive or be meaningful. Conscripts are still not considered meaningful - what can you even teach in one year? Can't even teach the dumb fucks to respect things like excellent appearance, can't make them understand that swiping poodles with brooms makes them evaporate faster, can't give them impression that keeping pathways clear of snow is a basic fucking necessity in wintertime, can't make them appreciate perfect geometric lines that command respect. If they can't grasp something this simple and superficial, how do you expect them to handle things like actual discipline and subordination, camaraderie, trust, stoicism, and doing what you must be doing no matter the circumstances? That's right, you can't. That's why they've been shortening conscription term. They'd get rid of it altogether but currently majority of male populace has some basic experience with the military and they'd like to keep it that way, especially considering the global soylent flooding.
>Why did burgerland chose to sponsor literal subhumans?
When did they not?
I mean, depleted uranium bombs are one thing, but letting those vermin infest a piece of our territory is just plain evil.
>The Balkans should be left alone to fix itself naturally.
When did they not?
Oh, you got me there
We used to have 2 years conscription here. I want it back tbh
Apparently we are getting 3 month drills next year at least it's something.
Is possible join Russian army for foreign ?
What are the terms ?
Know Russian fluently. Enjoy the ass kicking.
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>Anti-Terrorist Special Forces unit of Strategic Rocket Forces (guys who securing nukes).
I wouldn’t go near the nukes. Too paranoid about the tiniest errors that will cause the nukes to go off.
>thread full of larpers using wikipedia and cuckeo games to prove shit they know nothing about
They have these terrifying monsters.
They may not have the best tech, but if someone fucks their country you better believe that whoever that is would be wiped clean off the face of the Earth.
How much of a pathetic pussy must one be to choose sucking dick rather than punch his seniors in the teeth?
>punch his seniors in the teeth
There's plenty of books explaining how soviet/russian army bullying is well-thought specifically to prevent any possibility of victims beating their offenders. Basically the entire system is constructed for bullying. A bit from "Штабная сука" by one Kyiv guy serving in soviet army:
Так, одного мальчишку моего призыва, уже не помню за что, вшестером подловили в туалете, «прессонули» и поокунали головой в очко. Через два дня в карауле на посту он застрелился. (Вообще, в армии процент интеллигентов среди самоубийц самый высокий.)
Здорово страдают интеллигенты из-за своей интеллигентской честности. А офицеры на их честности здорово играют. Был в соседней роте некий Володя X. Мягкий, вежливый, узкоплечий — словом, типичный интеллигент. В чем он провинился — не знаю (духи всегда в чем-нибудь виноваты), только бит был крепко. Ротный на утреннем осмотре увидел синяк. «Кто ударил?» Завел в канцелярию. «Ты же честный, Володя, я знаю. И не побоишься сказать правду. Зачем тебе покрывать нарушителей Устава? Скажи мне правду. Слово офицера, никто не узнает». Тот возьми да и скажи. Ротному, по большому счету, на этот синяк плевать, как и на самого Володю со всеми его проблемами. Но работа его с личным составом должна быть для всех налицо. (Кстати, сами эти мордобойцы ротному гораздо ближе, чем какой-то драный интеллигентишка. «Толку с него!») Вот он пожурил виновных перед строем да и пошел себе вечером домой с чувством хорошо выполненного долга. А незадачливого Володю били смертным боем часа два и с проломленным черепом оставили под кроватью. Каждый раз, когда хотел вылезть, — добавляли. Провалялся он под койкой двое суток без еды и питья. Под себя ходил. Наконец, заметили его отсутствие отцы-командиры. Вытащили из-под койки. Справедливость, как говорится, восторжествовала Володю — в госпиталь, обидчиков его — под трибунал и в дисбат.
Но это еще не все. Развилась у Володи болезнь, весьма распространенная в нашей армии, которую я бы назвал «казармофобия». Боится, не хочет возвращаться в часть, хоть убей. На коленях умолял начальника госпиталя оставить его. Когда тот не согласился, Володя съел буханку мерзкого армейского хлеба и полкило оленьего жира. Результат — заворот кишок и снова в госпиталь. Отходили. Стали снова в часть собирать. Тогда Володя пошел в инфекционное отделение и в туалете съел немного кала желтушного больного. Результат — острый вирусный гепатит и опять в койку.
>"In 2012, a draftee from Chelyabinsk region, Ruslan Aiderkhanov, was raped and tortured to death by his seniors. The one witness who was willing to testify against the alleged perpetrators, Danil Chalkin, was later found shot dead in his military base."
It's suck cock or die in many of these situations.
Maybe write your posts in something people can read, next time.
The Russian army is not anything special, it's just that it seems competent because the other armies are incompetent.
US/NATO - cucked, self-sabotaged armies.
China - paper tiger with no experience.
India - worse than China.
And that's pretty much it.
What a shitty cult leader
Go check out its image board
It sucks buttholes too
>NATO getting involved in the Yugoslav wars was bullshit. The Balkans should be left alone to fix itself naturally.
Someone had to stop the insane genocidial war of the Serbs. Should have nuked Belgrad for good measure, too.
If this is legit, I smell kebab.
Rostec is state corporation that basicly sustains arms manufacturing businesses, most of which (smaller ones i think) are in bad state financially
>if you call out the Serbs on genociding white Europeans during the Yugoslav war you must be a muslim
I bet you think Turkey is in Europe too.
What does the Turks have to do with the Yugoslav war?
Don't mind him, he's just some sad Mongol with superiority complex.
Daily reminder that bosniaks import arabs and brown themselves.
Though this is a weird situation for commie, since nazbol supports Serbia but they also support muh brown oppressed muslims.
Turks occupy Europe.
Doesn't mean they are european.
>what do turks gotta do with a war between Christians and turks?
Says the retarded Turkish rapebaby, whose nation genocided Hungarians and Croats (you know, actual whites) and lost their real ancestral lands to Albanian Muslims.
>unironically believing Yugoslav war was only about Serbs killing muslims and turks alone
You might want to learn history outside of youtube videos and memes.
<only crimes that ever happened where those that Serbs did it.
>what is Novi Sad Raids
>what is children only concentration camps
Keep telling yourself whatever helps you deluded little maggots go to sleep.
Jesus Christ, if we actually genocided human excrement called hungarians, world would be a better place for it.
>You might want to learn history outside of youtube videos and memes.
What makes you think he didn't?
Is your hun brain literally so underdeveloped you cannot comprehend another individual going " Huh, maybe there's more to it than western narrative"
That was a good read, thanks.
Reminder that Serbia keeps letting muslims through their countries in the tens of thousands while they could still manage to make themselfes look like "le baste white nation", calling us Mongols, even though they are a good magnitude under us in both intelligence and average quality of life. Good night little Radovan, and don't let those filthy sandniggers buttrape you.
>keeps letting muslims through their countries in the tens of thousands
That's the work of our western appointed traitorous government, in order to get good goy points.
You huns are so far up your own asses, if we could manage to harvest and use your delusions as source of energy, we would have solved energy crisis.
Never (You) me again you filthy animal.
>Hungarians and Serbians, our only good possible allies are fighting for past mistakes
Wake up lads, your enemies don't care about the things you're rambling about, they want both of you conquered and turned into a brown Islamic shithole. Stain with crimson the ones waving the black double-headed eagle. Pillage the ones wearing the white star and crescent. Kill anyone associated with the star of David. Just like it happened 28 years ago. Just like it happened 100 years ago. Just like it happened 150 years ago.
Everyone hating each other is what made europe strong throughout history. It's this modern "we're all baste friends let's form a globalist gay club :^))))" that makes it weak. Seeing balkans eager to genocide each other again is one of the last few islands of solace in this world and it warms my heart.
>balkans eager to genocide each other again
albania, skopje and bulgaria and maybe romania are the only countries we want to genocide.
pls translate for us based hohol.
but the ustase fucking deserved it. The ethnic cleansing of krajina happened less than 50 years after Jasenovac and the atrocities of the NDH.
Prespa was bullshit but is there a reason you have such a problem with Skopje slavs? If they were not larping as alexander would you still hate them? If they were a part of Great Serbia would you still hate them? Like I understand you dont want a bulgarian satellite state on your border but not sure of the whole hate beyond the skopjian larping as macedons.
>If they were not larping as alexander would you still hate them?
I would still want their lands, but no I wouldn't hate them on a genocidal level
When was the last time there was a Hellenic majority in those lands? Just curious.
Imagine VMRO less like the "Christian Conservative" party they advertise themselves as being, and more like completely apolitical, actual criminal mercenaries who's sole interest is in, essentially, turning the country into a pit mine - boring all potential value only to leave it as an open, gaping hole in the middle of the map.
Their "Christian Conservative" aspect is barely even a ruse, it's what a small minority of equally corrupt voters delude themselves into so they'll feel more comfortable about being active and willing participants in the betrayal of their own nation.
Most of these people have foreign passports, most of them Bulgarian, most of them are actively engaged in some kind of criminal corruption. And yes, I'm including the voters in this because of all the people that I know that vote VMRO 80% benefit from politically motivated employment and the rest are a rough split between people who do not live here and sub 80IQ troglodytes who couldn't reason their way out of a paper bag.
That's not to say the Social Democrats are immensely better, they are better but only because the sheer, on-display sociopathic behavior of VMRO's membership has become like watching a live-action cartoon.
That's The Republic of North Macedonia to you, shitskin. You can keep Alexander, our culture does not support or advocate pederasty.
How's it feel to be closer to the Lebanese than European Whites? Don't start DnC shit, it's not healthy and you have no leg to stand on.
They hate us because our average penis length is longer(by about 1-2cm). Only reasonable explanation.
Never. our lands today were Illyrian/Thracian before the Slavs came, then we raped, murdered or plain-old drove everyone off the land as far south as Thessaloniki. We then decided to farm for 1400 years until eventually being driven out of "Aegean Macedonia" in the early '50s by angry Greeks with automatic weapons.
It's possible there was also some Celtic settlement(explaining the relatively high number of gingers among Macedonians compared to other South Slavs) and in the middle ages a few hundred Saxons settled what is now our regional West.
oh wild, you guys are in l2 with the western balkan slavs not with the bulgarians? Didn't know that.
>Most of these people have foreign passports, most of them Bulgarian, most of them are actively engaged in some kind of criminal corruption
Certainly explains a lot.
>That's not to say the Social Democrats are immensely better, they are better but only because the sheer, on-display sociopathic behavior of VMRO's membership has become like watching a live-action cartoon.
Aren't the Social Democrats like ridiculously pro Prespa and Pro Albanian especially?
I understand the resentment towards VMRO though.
>Never. our lands today were Illyrian/Thracian before the Slavs came, then we raped, murdered or plain-old drove everyone off the land as far south as Thessaloniki. We then decided to farm for 1400 years until eventually being driven out of "Aegean Macedonia" in the early '50s by angry Greeks with automatic weapons.
>It's possible there was also some Celtic settlement(explaining the relatively high number of gingers among Macedonians compared to other South Slavs) and in the middle ages a few hundred Saxons settled what is now our regional West.
I'm actualy impressed by imbecile with Greece flag. True 100% useful idiot.
Yes, but then again so is VMRO. Their only objection is that it wasn't their agreement, not the details of the agreement. They're just having a shit-huff because they've been dethroned. That's it.
Only because the Albanians got a lot of power in the elections, they were essentially the swing factor since neither party could actually form a parliamentary majority in the elections. That's how the Albos usually play it.
Again, like with the Prespa Agreement most of the stuff VMRO is bitching about was originally their idea.
Right now, SDSM is pragmatic. They have a mandate goal and they're pretty much doing everything they have to to achieve it. In essence, for the first time since 1945, a party is actually trying to do what they said they'd do.
I'll say this about the Albos in our country, degenerate as they generally are, they tend to support firearms liberalization whereas even most Macedonian gun owners are massive boomer fudds.
Not that either side seems to see anything wrong with hoarding massive quantities of illegal ordinance.
>I would still want their lands
Why? They never were part of Macedonia.
>oh wild, you guys are in l2 with the western balkan slavs not with the bulgarians? Didn't know that.
Did not know that because it's bullshit. Fyromonkeys are genetically indistinguishable from Bulgarians.
I thought for a long time that the russian army were based STRONK RUCCCIJA VUJSKA that were super strict and professional. I kept seeing images and reports on /pol/ of prostitution, beatings, bullying, psychological abuse, shower (gang) rape etc. How the fuck does this happen to one of your most important institutions for decades? It sounds like a literal bleak nightmare there. Is it a soviet thing or something to do with brainwashing and corruption?
>sub 80IQ troglodytes who couldn't reason their way out of a paper bag.
Еееее, Синко™! Знаеш ли ти зајко, ПУ, да му се мочам на името, што прави? Ех, знаеш ли? Па ја продава Македонија™®, бе! [Се повторува 5 пати]. Ја продава нашата татковина(?) и вие младите што правите? Ништо, Е ЕТЕ што правите! Вака не биднува! Јас на моето време… [Мава уште едно шише ракија] КАДЕ Е КУРВАНА!?[Ода да ја тепа жена му]
But, but anon! They're based and redpilled! look they even have a woman running for pres, that's based feminism right there!
>in the middle ages a few hundred Saxons settled what is now our regional West.
Is that why so many from there look like vikang scandinavians? I know a dude weed lmao guy from there, he looks and acts like that thoros guy from got.
>Is it a soviet thing or something to do with brainwashing and corruption?
Even the Imperial Japanese Army had a culture of abuse and humiliation. HQ threated conscripts as disposable things, therefore officers were free to do whatever they want with them. As a result conscripts who were serving for a longer time turned on younger conscripts to release some steam. Japs are also known for having a similar attitude in their workplaces, therefore one could argue that it's a cultural thing. But I suspect its just how a lot of people react if they are given power over others, but don't know how to care for and lead them.
Would you ally with the jew to fight turks?
Make no mistake,hun and albo are essentially the same. Both are filled with claimess sense of grandeur.
Both cry out as they strike you.
>abandon your homeland instead of staying there to fight for it
>even make a fucking painting that glorifies this disgusting display of cowardice
>claim that you are being oppressed by those ebul natives there
>eventually steal those lands
>time and again genocide the Hungarians still living there
>yet go on about muh Újvidék massacre
<Dh… dhose dirty anti-serbitic hun bastids are just like da jews!
Damn, I really made you butthurted yesterday, didn't I? Don't run here begging for shelter again the next time you are having your children taken away from you and your women raped by muslims to create the new generation of turko-slav mutts called "serbs"…
>abandon your homeland instead of staying there to fight for it
That's rich coming from a steppenigger, besides you where so incompetent in fighting you needed somebody to save your sorry ass. And always needed throughout history.
Your wretched people where always dragged to some fortune by someone else, like some retarded dog . See Austro-Hungarian empire.
>eventually steal those lands
Oh the irony, you don't even belong in Europe.
>time and again genocide the hungarians still living there
I wish that where half true since we still have shit load of your filth here in Serbia.
You may fool other people with your blatant history revisioning, but not us.
Keep crying out and striking janos
Not at all, I don't mind banter. However I do refuse to be judged by inferiour offshoot of humanity.
>I thought for a long time that the russian army were based STRONK RUCCCIJA VUJSKA that were super strict and professional.
They are, but it's the professional army, not the conscripts.
>Is it a soviet thing or something to do with brainwashing and corruption?
It has everything to do with corruption. The higher ranks enjoy having some slaves at their beck and call, and the lower ranks enjoy bullying their juniors (who then grow up to become seniors and do the same thing). The government isn't doing much about it as it'd need to admit there's an actual problem.
>Republic of North Macedonia
The what? You sub 70 IQ monkey do realise that your new name is the result of a literally illegal pact, right? The Greek constitution states clearly that when it comes to major decisions that have to do with our history, land and economy, the government is forced by law to have a public vote. If they don't have a vote or don't listen to the majority, then any pact they make is officially as relevant as a piece of shit-stained paper. All it takes for us to cancel the prespa agreement (Also guess why it took take in Prespa, you dumb faggot) is to just elect a non-sucked government that will simply stop recognizing you as 'Macedonia', and even declare war if you don't agree with the new changes.
>our culture does not support or advocate pederasty.
Your culture doesn't exist you inbred bulgaro-albanian retard.
>How's it feel to be closer to the Lebanese than European Whites?
<y-yeah heh, I may be a literal albanian rape baby but I'm whiter than you!
Ebin cuckchan-tier argument. Next time try to post statistics that didn't consider subhuman immigrants as "Greek", faggot.
>until eventually being driven out of "Aegean Macedonia" in the early '50s by angry Greeks with automatic weapons.
>in the '50s
You historically illiterate monkey. Your 'country' didn't even exist in any maps until the fall of Yugoslavia. Since ancient times you were
our everyone's backyard. You are slavs who came to the region around the 6th century.
Macedonia was always Greek and you cannot prove anyone otherwise. The only reason we haven't bombarded you back to russia yet is because not a single nationalist has governed the country in half a century. If you think big daddy america will come aid you, you're retarded.
Serbs already have a chance to make themselfs look like the defenders of Europe, but they don't even make the smallest effort and patrol their own borders on their south to block mudskins from going through their country. How do you expect them to fight against the muslims then?
Let me see your nonsense rambling and tear it into pieces…
>That's rich coming from a steppenigger
Serbs are (supposedly) Slavs, and guess what? Slavs originate from the Eastern European Plain. Well I guess that makes you a steppenigger…
>you where so incompetent in fighting you needed somebody to save your sorry ass.
Your country was in the great majority of its history a vassal of either Hungary, Byzantium, Russia or a subservient to Turkey. I mean you literally gave us back your current capital in 1427 because you were assblasted by the turks several times so hard you needed us to pull you out of the shit.
>Your wretched people where always dragged to some fortune by someone else, like some retarded dog . See Austro-Hungarian empire.
For our empire to be defeated in 1918, 12 countries had to be at war with us on 3 fronts for 4 years.
For your country to be nothing more than a cesspit, the only thing that was necessary to happen is some Croatian communist to die, because you serbs were incapable to hold together the dreamwork of a country called "Yugoslavia". In fact, you are still nothing more than a puppet of Russia and your leaders are trying to pity yourselfs into the EU.
>Oh the irony, you don't even belong in Europe.
>everyone I don't like is a Mongol:the emotional serbgipsies guide to discussions
>You may fool other people with your blatant history revisioning, but not us.
You, out of all nations of the world should be the last to talk about history revisionism, you sluts of sultans and sons of propaganda.
>but they don't even make the smallest effort
Their government is cucked so I can't blame them. We don't protect shit either. Hell, we're giving the skopje monkeys the name Macedonia and the turks our oil. Without a proper government it's all futile. At least we have GD to vote for.
>Slavs originate from the Eastern European Plain. Well I guess that makes you a steppenigger…
<European Plain is not in Europe.
I guess Poland Belorussia, Ukraine and Russia is not in Europe.
Jesus fuck, compare the maps, youre quite the definition of steppenigger you horse fucker.
>Your country was in the great majority of its history a vassal of either Hungary, Byzantium, Russia or a subservient to Turkey.
Says vassal of EU.
>For our empire to be defeated in 1918, 12 countries had to be at war with us on 3 fronts for 4 years
Don't delude yourself, that was Austrians and Germans pulling on your leash and using you for only purpose you are good for, cannon fodder.
You didn't amount to shit and you still don't.
>For your country to be nothing more than a cesspit, the only thing that was necessary to happen is some Croatian communist to die, because you serbs were incapable to hold together the dreamwork of a country called "Yugoslavia"
<guys it's Serbian fault, don't blame communism, don't blame systematic destruction of everything Serbian, don't blame Tito who was not even a Serb and fought against them in WWI.
Shows just how much little you know.
I don't want to go into details because I have neither time nor will to discuss it with some autistic, delusional mongoloid.
>You, out of all nations of the world should be the last to talk about history revisionism
Didn't you got called out several times by anons for blatantly making shit up?
Holy fuck Janos just stop,dont you get tired from getting rectal prolapse every time somebody mentions Serbia?
No, Communism this is one crime communism is not directly responsible for.
Only in that their command structure is too corrupt to care or do anything about it. It comes from a lack of good moral education. You know our cops and military, you know how they're given to act and the Russian thing comes from more or less the same place. It's also the stem of a lot of criminal behavior.
A selfish, antisocial fixation on egoism with no regard for honorable conduct. Small men in big shoes, if you will.
Hungaryannon kinda implied this earlier.
Жалната работа е што заради такви „луѓе“ кога ке кажеш после дека си националист те гледаат сите како да си паднат од планина.
>based and redpilled
Ah, VMRO, funds feminist women's march, has handful of loopy leftist-boomercunts show up, goes home and beats wife. Proceeds to put sentient prune up against a fast talking, politico, declares victory even as vote results show clear defeat.
Probably not, the Saxons that moved in numbered in the hundreds at the most. Probably not enough to affect significant genetic change but it is a neat factoid.
See what I mean? Infantile.
You could do that, but that also releases us of our obligations and your government already officially recognized us and assented to our joining of both NATO and the EU. So all you'd do is allow us to join both under the name of The Republic of Macedonia.
>a Slav, Illyrian and steppe nigger can inbreed
The factual and logistical impossibilities of that aside, me and my sister-wife still don't approve of you and your underage husband's relationship.
>statistics that don't consider subhuman immigrants as Greek
Given that the Greeks most likely originate in the Levant, I don't think that's to your benefit mate.
>your country didn't exist until the fall of Yugoslavia
>Socialist Republic of Macedonia founded 1945
I'm not getting into Macedonian nationalism because your niggerbrain couldn't cope with the information.
>you cannot prove anyone otherwise
I don't know man, I know a lot of "Greeks" in Aegean Macedonia that speak Macedonian when nobody's looking. I'm not saying the south will rise again…but the south will rise again!
I find it funny how it's enough to just be Serbian or Macedonian in a thread for Greeks and Hungarians to materialize out of the ether to bitch, get hit and resort to infantile shit-flinging and revisionism.
You have to wonder at the mind that spends so much of it's energy agonizing over it's racial and national insecurities that it feels compelled to make a fool of itself everywhere it goes.
I sincerely hope that one day you will overcome your humiliation and greed to join us in having on-topic discussions about firearms.
Kek. Forgot to laugh at that.
>entire reply boils down to 'ooga booga we will rise agin'
>muh socialist republic is totally proof we're real!
Albano-bulgarian rape babies, everyone. Your very language wasn't even a thing until june of 1945, where you decided to call a shitty version of Bulgarian "macedonian". Bunch of delusional slavshits desperate for an identity to call your own is all you are.
>assblasted that his granny married a slavic aryan instead of a local shitskin
>terrified that he's programmed to rise up against his cuckold overlords by superior genes
>afraid that he's going to be possessed by the spirit of Georgi Pulevski to fight against the degenerate Turks
>bulgarian rape baby's ramblings - the post
>European Plain is not in Europe.
I've never said anything like this, you are just making shit up at this point.
>youre quite the definition of steppenigger
>if you are not from a mountainous part of Europe, you must be a Mongol
That pretty much implies you can only be a white European if you are living in Europe.
>Says vassal of EU.
Says the one whose nation can't decide whether it should lick the arse of the Russians or join in 2025 a political-economical alliance that is en route to fall apart.
>Didn't you got called out several times by anons for blatantly making shit up?
>Holy fuck Janos just stop,dont you get tired from getting rectal prolapse every time somebody mentions Serbia?
You were the one who started this bullshit by calling me a "sad Mongol" the moment I wrote Yugoslav war was more complicated than "baste serbs genociding muslims and turks". What really happened is that when 2 Slavic nations (Slovenia and Croatia) decided that they had enough of your multiculti failed state and declared independence, you weren't able to keep them under your rule and after the former seceded in a relatively short time , you went in a fit of tardrage and concluded that it would be for the best to conquer as much of the territories of the latter as possible, genociding them and a few mudshits in the meantime, forgetting that its neither 1914 nor 1945 anymore and you are not having half the world to back you up, so you got your ass handed over to you big time.
You were the one starting this, but you won't be the one to decide when this will end, little Radovan.
macedonians are bulgarians in denial
István, it must be great to have Serbs live rent free inside your head 24/7/365/restofyourlife. We on the other hand just don't give a single shit about you - at all. I personally care only so much so have a (you).
You mean Bulgarians are Macedonians in denial. See the Slavs came first then the Bulgar steppe tribes you derive your name from came 1-200 years later.
>WE WUZ intensifies
<wE WuZ PhARaOhs En ShIEt!!1! Aristotle Wuz Македонец !
Not going to lie, I'm rarely proud of my people and some of the things they say and do.
>entire thread about Russian military turns into Eastern Europe/Balkan shitposting
In my humble defense, it was the Greeks that started this…it's always the Greeks that start this. Them and the Turks. Every. Single. Time.
Excluding the "Macedonian" part his right though. Bulgarians are Yugoslavs lapping as some obscure turkroach tribe for some inexplicable reason.
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> I know a lot of "Greeks" in Aegean Macedonia that speak Macedonian
So what? Every Greek with a middle school degree can roughly translate the Pella Tablet.
R u fuggin retarded?
Russia military is a good for nuffing faggots.
I know what i`m talking about.
Go fuck your dog, nigger.
Did you enjoy your mandatory radio repair and floor sweeping internship?
I had fun tbh it was basically summer/pioneer camp but for "grownups" as much as you could have even called us that coming straight from school
There were only a few higher ups that were cunts and to be avoided, and a few days when we had to get the fuck down, polish the furniture, clean the toilets with forks etc. Otherwise it was cozy boy hours every day, fuckin playing WC3 with comrade sergeant in the computer room. Looking at some of the guys from my school now, I don't regret flunking uni at all. What the fuck is the difference if you have a degree in history if you're working the same McJob as me.
It is straight bullshit from taxpayer perspective though. The army maintains itself, it has its own infrastructure its own cooks and services, all maintained by a legion of teenage flunkies, but it can only survive through sucking the money out of the economy. The only use you would theoretically get out of that system is a big supply chain and network of defences, disproportionately big for the population of the country and disproportionately combat ready for how much the country's worth. And I get the idea since theres so much land and so few people, but if war breaks out isn't all of this shit way too obsolete to do anything? You could say it acts as a deterrent, but does it really – rusty radiotowers are not good propaganda pieces, new tanks are, and the foreign media doesn't know or give a shit about any of it.
>I had fun tbh it was basically summer/pioneer camp
Oh, no. You been raped in your summer/pioneer camp? Because that's exactly why russians go in military in a firs place. To get some hard chichen ore dagestan dick.
Basically, russia military is a one big BDSM club for faggots.
Only idiots in extreem poverty go to military in russia. The one who too poor to redeem his freedom and too dumb to come up with a plan how to avoid this shithole.
>The army maintains itself, it has its own infrastructure its own cooks and services
Don`t give me this shit. All food in russian military goes from one or another Prigoszin`s food company. Enjoy your ehinokoks.
>rusty radiotowers are not good propaganda pieces, new tanks
Rusty radiotowers replaced by Lahta-center 2. But you know it, right, lahtablyad?
>new tanks are
What are you talking about? What tanks? Armata tanks, maybe? That old Soviet project? Same armata tanks who are not able to move through the curb?
>While waiting for the smoke to abate, the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room. As it cleared, it became evident that although several of the family's retainers had been killed, all of the Imperial children were alive and furthermore, only Maria was even injured.
Good. This must be the fate of every cuchold who dares disobey the wise and mighty fucker of his wife and conceive a murderous plan against him.
>"man I totally dont care about what you say, thats why I wasted dozens of lines of text on you"
>"you are mad btw, teehee"
Just admit you don't have anything to add to this converstation anymore, it won't be that hard. Trust me.
I'm taking off the flag. Balkans are the most autistic place on the earth.
So why doesn't anyone just come out and say it? I know damn well duh militawee doesn't own the country so there are plenty of bodies of power who will benefit from exposing the shit and putting pressure. If a media scandal happened on just a national level, you can be certain that at least a few of the higher ups will change their homo ways. Really I don't see how this is healthy for anyone and I'm sure that throughout history all the pressure was relieved on foreign populations and in more productive ways.
>кога ке кажеш после дека си националист те гледаат сите како да си паднат од планина
I know that pain. Too much americanism.
How humiliating. If you have the money, just join a pmc and dodge the shit.
>calling the Czar a cuck
>while being apologetic over the regime that constantly genocided his own people for nearly a century
The irony is tangible.
Not the same guy, you nigger pony.
Considering he's smiling and saluting, and neither of those camo patterns belong to Russian military…. I'm going to conclude it's gay porn same as >>675247
Aside from urban legends and CIA/butthurt belt fume dreams, I have seen no evidence that Dedovschina is anything other than the type of hazing that every organization made up of human beings has.
>genocided Hungarians and Croats
Where are crazy ideas like this coming from? Seriously, no genocide was ever proven in yugoslav wars, the closest was srebrenica where serbs managed to murder 9000 muslim men and boys in an area that had only 1500 male muslims before the war.
>you arent white!
D&C nonsense expected from a Hungarian Jew.
Is that you Soros?
Those are mercenaries the austro-hungarian empire used for hundreds of years to keep Turks at bay. You settled them here:
To provide a living border so you wouldn't be at risk from Turks attacks.
>eventually steal those lands
Considering they were granted the lands in the first place, and were not paid for them in any way, the fact that they were denied these lands and kicked out is actually a travesty. You literally had to pay your mercenaries dirt so they could farm and survive, but you were unwilling to pay even dirt to people who died for you. Fucking lol.
I can't even imagine being that cheap.
To be fair Russians never lived under a government that wasn't actively trying to genocide them all until Putin came along and formed teen pregnancy parties.
My case stands, turklet.
>lives in an area called the hunguri plains because huns settled there
>is descendant of avars and other asiatic hordes
>speaks a tonal turkic language
>calls someone else turk
In terms of heritage an actual Turk from Anatolia is whiter than you are because Turkey is a result of 20k asiatic nomads settled in a nation of 2 million greeks, at best 1% asiatic in the end.
You know it's bullshit to call someone else Turk, because I refuse to believe a Hungrian has not heard of Hungarian Turanism.
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>You settled them here:
No, they poured into the area, and the Habsburgs gave it to them without asking the Hungarian nobility.
>they were granted the lands in the first place, and were not paid for them in any way
The Habsburgs gave them to lands and they had to pay for it with military service, we Hungarians weren't in a position to decide anything.
What language is that? In Hungarian it's called Alföld, and in English it's called the Great Hungarian Plain, because it's a big plain in Hungary. Hungary itself in an exonym gave to us by Germans who confused us with the on-ugors, and then the French decided to add a h, turning Ungar to Hungaria in Latin. Nevertheless, we call ourselves magyarok.
>is descendant of avars and other asiatic hordes
Do you think that there is a magic line somewhere in Eastern Europe and once you cross it everyone is a Mongoloid? We dug up enough old bones to know how the population of these lands looked like back then, and it's hardly worse than your 1%.
>tonal turkic language
You shouldn't use words whose meaning you don't know. I take you are familiar with Chinese, living in one of their colonies and all. That's a tonal language, because the meaning of words depends on the tone. There are no "tonal turkic languages", and Hungary isn't tonal either. Even more, Hungarian belongs to the Ugric branch of the Finno-Ugric family of languages, therefore it's not a Turkic language.
>Turkey is a result of 20k asiatic nomads settled in a nation of 2 million greeks
So modern Turkey is a shithole populated by Greeks?
At least read your own links:
>Political Turanism was born in the 19th century, in response to the growing influence of Pan-Germanism and Pan-Slavism, seen by Hungarians as very dangerous to the nation, and the state of Hungary, because the country had large ethnic German and Slavic populations. This political ideology originated in the work of the Finnish nationalist and linguist Matthias Alexander Castrén, who championed the ideology of Pan-Turanism — the belief in the racial unity and future greatness of the Ural-Altaic peoples. He concluded that the Finns originated in Central Asia and far from being a small, isolated people, they were part of a larger community that included such peoples as the Magyars, the Turks, and the Mongols etc. Political Turanism was a romantic nationalist movement, which stressed the importance of common ancestry and cultural affinity between Hungarians and the peoples of the Caucasus and Inner and Central Asia, such as the Turks, Mongols, Parsi etc. It called for closer collaboration and political alliance between them and Hungary, as a means of securing and furthering shared interests and to counter the threats posed by the policies of the great powers of Europe. The idea for a "Turanian brotherhood and collaboration" was borrowed from the Pan-Slavic concept of "Slavic brotherhood and collaboration".
As you can see, it's about our cultural relationship with Central Asia. According to you Turkey has a non-Turkic population of Greeks, therefore they have nothing to do with this.
>Where are crazy ideas like this coming from? Seriously, no genocide was ever proven in yugoslav wars,
Except, you know, the Serbian genocide against all non-serbs in former Yugoslavia. You might be the dumbest serbshit on 8ch right now with such an idiotic denial of historical facts.
>Where are crazy ideas like this coming from?
>D&C nonsense expected from a Hungarian Jew.
Am I a Hungarian or a Jew, then? Make up your mind.
>Serbs were mercenaries in Austria-Hungary
1. Austria-Hungary was formed in 1867, while the Great Serb Migration happened during the 17-18th century.
2. Serbs fled to the terriroy of the Kingdom of Hungary - which was at that time under the rulership of Leopold I of the Habsburg dynasty, and little Leo gave lands to the Serbs to work on and defend it as a payment for letting them in and letting them to stay there. Besides, the real reasoning behind this decision of his is that he needed an armed population that is loyal to him and to the Habsburgs alone, which could be used against the "rebellious Hungarians", as it was proved during the Rákóczi-revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rákóczi%27s_War_of_Independence#Serbian_participation_and_other_Royalists
Just as the text above proves, there were Serbs fighting on the revolting Hungarians side, they were but a minority, and the vast majority of them fought for the Austrian Emperor.
>Considering they were granted the lands in the first place, and were not paid for them in any way, the fact that they were denied these lands and kicked out is actually a travesty.
Then again, the real tragedy of the story was that Serbs settled in those lands as refugees, had to serve as soldiers and border guards in exchange of the monarch letting them to settle down and work on those lands that they defend, and when their descendants - together with their brethren who stood in, you know, their rightful land south of the Danube - they not only conquered lands with majority Serbian population, but they also ripped out lands with majority Hungarian population. As long as this issue is not settled and lands in Délvidék with majority Hungarian population are not given back to us, the very fucking least I'll do is not to forgive and not to forget their "show of gratitude"…
>In terms of heritage an actual Turk from Anatolia is whiter than you
>defending Turks this hard
Never mind that we are Finno-Ugrics even the most pessimistic datas show that when our ancestors started to settle in the Carpathian Basin, they outnumbered the local population at wors 2,5:1
It is pure larping, the same as British Israelism: people with little to no historical, cultural or religious knowledge whatsoever doing bullshit. Basically read >>675333 s post regarding the subject. Just because ancient Magyars were pagan, nomadic and fighting as horse archer doesn't mean we are Turks, any other Europeans can learn and practice the same things (not to mention the fact that Hungarians didn't really have a connection until the mid-to-late 9th century, nomadism is more advantegeous when you are living on a huge steppe where you don't have either stone or wood in your 100-500 kms vicinity to build stone/wooden buildings, and horse archery is quiet the fast, agile and effective way of fighting, only to be made obsolete when firearms were invented).
>didn't really have a connection
>Russia has no free press
Neither does America, or literally any other country
>Habsburgs gave it to them without asking the Hungarian nobility
So take up the issue with Habsburgs! Why the fuck are you blaming the individuals who were invited there and settled for the purpose of defending a military frontier??? What were the Serbians supposed to do, refuse the invitiation and go back?
It is completely IRRATIONAL for you to be mad at them over this, it's fucking insane.
Even if that were true, go look up on a map where the Ugric region is. It is literally where Huns came from, it's a language group strongly tied to Altaic which is another name for Turkic.
War crime =/= genocide
"Massacre" is a word that means nothing, it has no international definition, it's literally just invented for media purposes. A fucking school shooting in America gets called a "massacre" too, it has no bearing on how states conduct wars. Your own pathetic wiki link states as much:
Not that anyone should care what wikipedia thinks. No one has ever been convicted or accused of genocide in that war, and genocide has never been proven as occurring in the yugoslav civil war by ICTY or any other international body.
>Am I a Hungarian or a Jew, then?
Honestly the way you're acting you're either a very butthurt hungarian who is accidentally causing division, honeypot, and damage to the board, or an actual jew doing it intentionally.
It's funny how every thread not even remotely related to Serbia gets invaded and derailed by these deluded magyars sperging out and going pic related.
I never went to hun military thread ( can't stand their self fellating), but I'm willing to bet if somebody went to the hungarian thread there is not a single Serbian flag sperging out about hungarians. Even if there was, it would have been nowhere near the level of these assblasted mongoloids happily playing their useful idiot role.
>So take up the issue with Habsburgs! Why the fuck are you blaming the individuals who were invited there and settled for the purpose of defending a military frontier??? What were the Serbians supposed to do, refuse the invitiation and go back?
Can't you get it that we hate the serbians because they stole majority Hungarian territories too? Habsburgs got booted out, they are pretty much a non-issue anymore.
>Even if that were true, go look up on a map where the Ugric region is. It is literally where Huns came from, it's a language group strongly tied to Altaic which is another name for Turkic.
Then I guess you are an injun because you live in a country that was mostly inhabited by injuns some 2 centuries ago. Do you also think the Finns and the Estonians are also Turks just because they are closely related to us?
>"genocide" as a concept does not exist"
>"b-but serbs totally genocided muslims, guise"
Do you know the definition of contradiction? Here, let me help you out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction
>the way you're acting you're either a very butthurt hungarian who is accidentally causing division, honeypot, and damage to the board, or an actual jew doing it intentionally.
The way you are acting, you are either a Canadian gravely uninformed about European history and politics, a serbian emigrant living in Canada, or just a serb using a VPN.
Then again, it was you who sperged out when I told Yugoslav war wasn't only about serbs genociding muslims. I know it's hard to understand something like this with your 80 IQ brain, but you might want to try again. I'm actually have one of the most relaxing day of the week, giving me enough time to call you out of your crafted bullshit of a history. Stop projecting your madness and walk away from your computer to vent your rage a bit. This thread isn't even about Hungary or Serbia, but you succesfully derailed it, congratulation.
>if a genocide isn't finished it's not genocide
its not our fault you live in a shitty mafia-run turd world country
And you know why we don't go there - we just don't care. And that's is why they are so assblasted.
Ко га јебе, није нас брига
Easy there Ismet, aren't you breaking Ramadan rules by posting here?
You know what, you're right. I was going to reply to him but it's not worth it. I got neither time nor patience to adopt online magyar pet.
Also, don't give roach in Germany (You)'s it will only incurage it
Ah so your people made the mistake of allying with bastards, those bastards are now dead, and instead of improving yourself and making yourself not stupid anymore so you don't ally with bastards anymore…. you transfer the blame to the weakest nearby target. What a limp nozzle.
>"genocide" as a concept does not exist"
This is so fucking weak…. If you don't have an argument don't bother replying, just skip that part and focus on something you know. It makes you look like a drooling vagina to twist words like that.
Ah ok, some muslamic whore seduced a drunk serb soldier no sober soldier would fuck a bearded semite whore because her cousinhusbands tiny inbred turk dick didn't satisfy her, so this is genocide. I'm sorry but it doesn't meat the international standard, it doesn't count as genocide, no matter what hoax or personal feeling you might cling to.
The fact remains that genocide did not occur on the balkan peninsula from 1989 to 2001.
>Ah so your people made the mistake of allying with bastards, those bastards are now dead, and instead of improving yourself and making yourself not stupid anymore so you don't ally with bastards anymore…. you transfer the blame to the weakest nearby target.
Going by your logic, there's no need to get rid of the niggers and muslims after we genocided the jews, because "the root of the problem" (in our case, the Habsburgs) are gone so we can just sit back and ignore the fact that the "problem" (in this case, territories with Hungarian majority being under foreign rule) is still there. Hitler knowing about the jews plan to destroy Europe and the white race didn't stop him from declaring war on Poland - that was given territories with majority German population- in his effort to unify all Germans in one state. I think you are on the wrong board…
>This is so fucking weak
There's nothing weak about not wasting walls of text and my time on writing down in a detailed explanation why your claim that "genocide" is not a clearly defined and existing concept.
>The fact remains that genocide did not occur on the balkan peninsula from 1989 to 2001.
Dozens of articels, wittnesses and reports prove you wrong, some of which I didn't link because I'm not your mother to spoonfeed you.
To be quiet honest, I was told that Balkaners are masters of arguing. While this definitely seems to be the case with - say Greeks and Croats -, when arguing with a serb I just keep bumping into a wall of namecalling, projection and a giant superiority complex hiding insecurity. I am disappointed to say the least.
This is what I love about you Janos. It's your utter lack of shame and self consciousness.
>I say something about superiority complex
<hurr duur you have superiority complex
>I said you keep starting derailing threads
<hurr duur you're derailing threads
If any anon wants to check what I'm talking about, there are several threads you implemented these jew tactics.
It's like arguing with retarded three year old.
>To be quiet honest, I was told that Balkaners are masters of arguing
We are, I just don't want to waste my time arguing with you, at least Croats are fun to banter with…
And Greek are, well Greeks, they are fuled by thermonuclear fusion of pure hate and rage. mirin' you greekanons
You magyars are the pigeon and this thread is the chess board.
>when arguing with a serb I just keep bumping into a wall of namecalling, projection and a giant superiority complex hiding insecurity. I am disappointed to say the least.
OH THE IRONY
Let me get something clear. I don't hate you Janos, I dislike you and pity you. At least if I hated you I would have put some effort into arguing with you, but you're just not worth it.
Here's to (You).
Well I thought I won't be given an elongated, sophisticated "no u", but whatever…
>equating white people fleeing muslims being invited to an area in order to work for their land as mercenaries
>with kikes, niggers and various shitskins coming to the west to suck up welfare
> why your claim that "genocide" is not a clearly defined and existing concept.
>keeps saying "genocide" even though I plainly used "massacre"
Found your portrait.
>"its ok if whites of other nationalities seek refuge in your lands, their descendants keep blocking every attempt of yours to fight your freedom from an inbred dynasty, eventually ripping out not only territories where they are the majority but also invading ones where your nation gives most of the population because they are "white" and that somehow makes them invulnerable to any offense"
This is your mind on being a liberal colony dweller.
This is the mind of D&C.
Meanwhile, Cuckdeau refuses to admit Ukrainian or white South African refugees.
>To be fair Russians never lived under a government that wasn't actively trying to genocide them all
>Doesn't know what really happened for the last Tsar to be that murdery.
Oh dear leaf you're in for a treat.