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 No.1[Reply]

Read the Rules and FAQ before posting

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-Why are there two leftypols now?

"Lmao WIP"

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 No.115320

>>115258

Remember to report shit like that too to alert vols. They are not very fast but they check reports




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 No.99240[Reply]

Hello guy's the moderator of /leftpol/ has decided he wants a break. So I'm gunna be moderating the this board for awhile.

BUT DON'T WORRY

>Rules are going to be the same as before.

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 No.115232

>>115231

Take your meds




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 No.1128[Reply]

I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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 No.114908

My review of PARECOMIC (2013), written by Sean Michael Wilson, drawn by Carl Thompson, lettering by some font (thank God it's not Comic Sans)

It's an infodump comic about Michael Albert's life and the participatory-economics vision he has worked on (with Robin Hahnel) ★★★★☆

About 200 pages tell you in black and white about Albert's life as a student activist, the general political climate in the US during the 60s and 70s and beyond, the founding of the alternative media projects South End Press (closed in 2014) and Z Communications with Lydia Sargent; and many progressive authors make an appearance or are mentioned in passing: Barbara Ehrenreich, Bertell Ollman, Noam Chomsky of course, and so on (while these folks are to the left of what's considered respectable opinion by the establishment, I wouldn't call any of them Marxist except Ollman).

The cover picture tells you it's all about this smug wanker standing in front of the United States Capitol telling you how to solve all problems of society, but inside it's warts and all. The drawings, whether of friend or foe, don't make them look cool or sexy. An old Michael Albert, often looking tired, takes you back to a time where a young Albert is full of… being even more tired and grumpy (and, on rare occasion, on drugs). There's a scene where young Albert gives a passionate speech and doesn't get any reaction from the students. Why would you tell people about that event? It's an honest piece.

The first part of it is brilliant, densely weaving together personal anecdotes and reflections on them and developments in society at large, peppered with quotes from Aristotle to Springsteen. Some parts are not, like when Albert drones on and on about what a great pal Chomsky is, gets some prize handed to him by Mikhail Gorbachev (eww), or the part where a fictional Marx gets convinced that Parecon is the way (it's just ah-yes-yes, poor Marx doesn't even get in one zinger). Especially towards the end, the visuals show too much people talking instead of visualizing what they are talking about. When you have long text and the font is all caps, it's good to make liberal use of highlighting. If there's another edition of PARECOMIC, I hope they'll do that (for example, I would bold all names). It ends with a good sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.114902[Reply]

You know the drill.

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 No.115311

>>115307

>arguing against a literal SJW strawman of feminism

Fuck off back to /pol/


 No.115315

>>115310

>You problematic cis-het white male shitlord!

ftfy


 No.115316

>>115311

>>115310

Nothing the anon said has contradicted the goals of what you're insisting is feminism, they're just relentlessly insisting on using the word to refer to the sort of beliefs most often called feminism and held by people who identify as supporters of feminism circa 2018, ie.

Which is liberal bullshit, given that the ideological makeup of the mainstream is almost all liberal bullshit in either direction now.

I fail to see the issue with using a term to refer to what the majority of other people in society use it to refer to rather than to a collection of books and authors whos ideas it referred to in the near past and the former meaning is related to. Words don't magically get a 'correct' meaning from history, they mean whatever people in general use them to mean.

Stop being butthurt because youve adopted some ideology as part of your identity.


 No.115318

Rojava is imperalist


 No.115321

>>115316

This. Even rationalwiki, aka idpolwiki, acknowledges the argumentum ad dictionarium that feminists like to invoke when dealing with criticism:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_dictionarium#Feminism




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 No.112838[Reply]

Discussion thread for the book club's first text.

From wiki:

"God and the State (called by its author The Historical Sophisms of the Doctrinaire School of Communism) is an unfinished manuscript by the Russian anarchist philosopher Mikhail Bakunin, published posthumously in 1882. The work criticises Christianity and the then-burgeoning technocracy movement from a materialist, anarchist and individualist perspective."

Links to the text:

PDF -

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-god-and-the-state.pdf

Text -

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-god-and-the-state

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/bakunin/works/godstate/index.htm

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 No.115100

I have a few formal complaints about how implicitly Hegelian the analysis is. Besides that, Bakunin completely ignores the historical fact of revolutionary potential within early religious movements. Finally, I'm a little skeptical of how far he goes in his argument against technocracy. I wouldn't rather do without the body of science than to have technocratic hierarchy. I see the point of savantism leading to entrenchment of knowledge among a priviledged caste, but those are the brakes when the structure of the material world only becomes apparent with hyperspecialized academic inquiry that takes decades to learn and perform. Citizen science is good and important, but it cannot replace sound methodology.

Similarly, I find that the Dunning-Kruger effect points to the opposite conclusion of degrees destroying the appetite for inquiry. It is usually the ignorant and uneducated who do tend to believe themselves beyond error and above inquiry.

The claims that science demonstrates the irrefutable proof of elimative materialism and that metaphysical idealism is fundamentally the same as religious zealotry are both misguided examples sophomoric sophistry that he doesn't even bother to bolster with any argument in the former and shallow analogy in the latter.

I also found the comparison of essentiality of organic societies in the ancient world as exemplars of materialism and idealism to a rather weak and incoherent point.

There's some good stuff here too of course.


 No.115113

>>115100

>I wouldn't rather do without the body of science than to have technocratic hierarchy.

Doesn't this really depend on just how thoroughly technocracy manages to corrupt science? It's not hard to envision a system that produces such junk as to be unusable other than as propaganda for the system itself. Just for instance think about the theoretical conflict between Darwinism and Lysenkoism. Science as it is now tends to have that problem - ego getting in the way of finding the best theories. It can take longer than just asserting the evidence for better theories to gain traction because so many scientists have built their life work on a set of assumptions they're not prepared to jettison (and may be practically unable to pivot thus threatening the future of their career). This would only get worse if the institution of science were also the seat of power in society.

>I find that the Dunning-Kruger effect points to the opposite conclusion of degrees destroying the appetite for inquiry. It is usually the ignorant and uneducated who do tend to believe themselves beyond error and above inquiry.

It's not the possession of specialist knowledge, but the formality of the degree itself that's the problem. Ds get degrees. The lowest passing student in med school is still a doctor. When your big brain is sanctified by society it definitely can give people an air of superiority.

I agree with your other criticisms though.


 No.115115

Poll for the next book

https://poal.me/hp67hg


 No.115313

Archive of God and the State thread:

http://archive.fo/o8td5


 No.115319

>>115100

>I also found the comparison of essentiality of organic societies in the ancient world as exemplars of materialism and idealism to a rather weak and incoherent point.

It was, but I would blame the lack of a proper anthropological discipline in his lifetime for the false assumption.




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 No.111111[Reply]

This board needs to read more, and something besides a low traffic sticky is needed. To this end I think we need to revive the /leftpol/ reading group, this time without titofag being the only guy who read anything. We can start off with some basic texts of anarchism and marxism, then move on to more specfic stuff.

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 No.115097

>>114356

>That pdf is only 37 pages.

Oh shit. I have the Freedom Books edition from the 60s. When I get back home from Christmas holidays I will scan it and upload it. If the anarchist library has a 37pg/incomplete version that means the new newest edition isn't online. But it will be!


 No.115114

Poll for next book

https://poal.me/hp67hg


 No.115127

File: 50a90df6c20728c⋯.jpg (31.34 KB, 278x400, 139:200, and forgive them their deb….jpg)

Anyone managed to get ahold of Michael Hudson's new book yet? I'm really excited to read this one.


 No.115312

people sure like to vote for some old-ass texts man i tell u wut


 No.115317

>>115312

New stuff is just starting to get written again. There was a great big dead zone of leftist theory during the Cold War. On the red side of things, there was Mao's little red book and the occasional revolutionary's memoir, and on the CIA-funded side there were the students of the Frankfurters and post-marxist intellectual wankers. Neither the Soviets nor the Americans were particularly interested in having any more class-based analysis of society.




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 No.114116[Reply]

Are there any far-left men's rights activism groups?

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 No.115173

>>115116

>everyone I disagree with is secretly a fundamentalist Christian

>>115117

>pointing out female privilege is misogyny


 No.115178

>>115157

It is the greatest tragedy of statistics as a discipline that those who scream the loudest about them have no idea at all what they can and cannot prove.


 No.115179

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>>115173

>pointing out female privilege

>privilege

I see that you have completely skipped the phase where you pretend that you are different from what you hate and just embraced it immediately.


 No.115302

>>115179

Intersectionality has to be a CIA invention.


 No.115314

>>115302

Just as bad–it was created by a lawyer. You may be right about the Alphabet Soup funding, though. Check out how well her think tank hides who pays for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberl%C3%A9_Williams_Crenshaw

http://www.aapf.org/funderssuuports/




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 No.113944[Reply]

We need a bill of rights for men:

1. No child support if some woman pokes a hole in the condom you use to have sex

2. False rape allegations should be punished with a death sentence

3. Men should receive custody of their children in every divorce case

4. Men can have a right to deny their partner an abortion if he wants to have the child

5. Men's shelters should be set up for the predominately male homeless population

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 No.114877

>>113944

>4. Men can have a right to deny their partner an abortion if he wants to have the child

Retarded. The others contain some form of sentiment I could agree with even if you are an edgelord about it.


 No.114880

>>114877

What is wrong about having rights to your child? Instead of allowing some thot to murder it in cold blood.


 No.114884

>1. No child support if some woman pokes a hole in the condom you use to have sex

Sorta agree

>2. False rape allegations should be punished with a death sentence

No

>3. Men should receive custody of their children in every divorce case

LMAO no

>4. Men can have a right to deny their partner an abortion if he wants to have the child

LMAO no

The unborn are entirely parasitical and exploitative of their hosts until birth thus the mother should be allowed to end her exploitation at a moments notice if she wishes

>5. Men's shelters should be set up for the predominately male homeless population

Homeless shelters don't exist?


 No.115044

>>113948

>I am not trolling

Bullshit.

>No child support if some woman pokes a hole in the condom you use to have sex

You're doing it wrong. Try "No child support."

>False rape allegations should be punished with a death sentence

Are factual rape allegations punished with a death sentence? Then no. Something else.

> Men should receive custody of their children in every divorce case

lolno. And the fact that there's a party here you're forgetting… makes you worthless scum.

I'll just end here, because that last one's the big, glaring pointer to how shitty you are, or have become.


 No.115303

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>>115044

Fuck you.

>>114877

You do not think men should have a say in whether their child lives or dies?




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 No.114734[Reply]

What are the contradictions of capitalism?

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 No.115255

>>115241

We all know the rentier class has been the enemy of civilization since it started, but what is the contradiction here? It seems like driving people into debt peonage so they can buy up all their land and extract even more value from their labor actually worked out pretty well for them.


 No.115259

>>114749

>If your economic model requires working class solidarity

It doesn't. Post discarded.


 No.115267

>>115241

Agreed, all landlords are scum/ propriety is theft.

My grandma rents a room to a couple for actually a "small price", little does she know she is a porky exploiting the proletariat. She should either let them live there for free or not at all!(to bad she needs the rent money to buy meds so she won't die haha).


 No.115299

>>115255

>but what is the contradiction here?

It is the definitively adversarial relationship between renter and landlord. Their inherently opposed interests places each in perpetual conflict with the other (renters seek lower rents and better maintainance of their homes while landlords seeks higher rents and lower overhead), and this opposition can only be resolved by their eventual categorical destruction and replacement by something different.

http://www.massline.org/PhilosDog/C/ContraDialectical.htm


 No.115300

>>115267

>(to bad she needs the rent money to buy meds so she won't die haha)

Found the actual problem.




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 No.114092[Reply]

I'm a bit late to this but…

>Hierarchies are natural

>The top of the hierarchy has the most competent people and therefore everyone benefits

>A failed hierarchy is one where the top is tyrannical

>Free speech is the only way to prevent a failed hierarchy

>Hierarchies are not a problem everywhere in life because plumbers don't have hierarchies

>managers are not likely to be psychopaths

>As you go up the hierarchy there is an increase in responsibility

These are his responses to anarchists from his most recent interview with Joe Rogan. How do you respond?

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 No.115287

>>115286

>predict what kind of "anarchists" these are and tell you that ancaps are not anarchists.

anarchists who have a fetish for 'workplace democracy' but dont want to let in people who would just sell out the organization

illegal immigrants = cheesburger american who don't care about workplace democracy, figure of speech implying you build walls


 No.115290

>>115286

you know i like rule of law but it's a fantasy, we approximate it by having police officers beat your face in and stuff

two tiers, police officers role play as "the law" (until they fuck up and get away with it) >>>> the public


 No.115293

>>115287

?????

yeah… definitely you're high af rn.

Well for the public… To answer why in short a person (aka an asshole) who doesnt want workplace democracy isnt accepted in a place that is all about yknow workplace democracy… is because he wants to get rid of law of the very essence of this type of organization, this law in this case is the very fact that allows workplace democracy ironically its the collective interest, the collective might.

the people's law

rules > the people

the people

makes, decides, enforces, etc > the people's law

What law & freedom are is ever changing tho. The popular wills of the time. Its the engine of contradiction. That is dialectic. The wills change, the zeitgeist too.

By contradiction I do not mean Communism will become Capitalism! one day! lmao no. Although it is possible to regress instead of progress

The best & smartest thing Communists say is that nothing is immune to change (contradiction), to constantly become & so far history has proved them right. What law & freedom are, are those arbitrary ideas that are constantly "becoming". In a fair society they constantly "become" according to the will of the people.

>>115290

Its fantasy depending on the scale of such society which is why I said specifically "Not really" to the claim that: "societies without hierarchy are shit". Not even in modernity. I pointed my finger at communes, several modern communes (small scale society) are actually communist, ruled only by the law of the people, made by the people not hierarchs.

As to answer your notion yeah I assume you mean large scale communism huh?

So far technology doesn't allows commuPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.115295

>>115294

I answered what I could answer for the leftists who want to learn interesting stuff that is in books.

not for the moron that is clearly a /pol/tard Jordan Peterson fan lmao.

Whats funny is that Peterson will never pass into history as a philosopher or anything of the sort, not as an intellectual ever. He will just be that psychologist who argued with twitter bot accounts and was batshit insane himself.

You know maybe thats why he studied psychology, he wanted to know how mentally insane he was.




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 No.114279

Seems like t*rkey and their jihadist puppets are gearing up for a fight. Lots of talk about an offensive "East of the Euphrates" that won't target US stations.

>Turkey will carry out a military operation east of the Euphrates River in Syria in a couple of days

>Erdoğan said the operation will target terrorist organizations operating in Syria, adding: "Our targets will never be U.S. soldiers."

https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2018/12/12/turkey-to-start-military-operation-in-east-of-euphrates-in-few-days-erdogan-says

TFSA in Jarablus, al-Bab and Afrin put on high alert.

https://twitter.com/baladinetwork/status/1072930967319396358

TFSA spokesperson says:

>The battle of the East Euphrates against the PKK… will extend to the entire terrorist-controlled area

http://nedaa-sy.com/news/10338

Reports of US garrisons withdrawing from outposts in Tell Abyad

https://twitter.com/Step_Agency/status/1072947377923854339

TFSA confirmation of jets planning to used in the upcoming offensive with TFSA jihadists posting online about awaiting their arrival in Tell Abyad.

https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/1073145437010489345

Turkish army removing border walls by Ras al-Ayn.

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 No.114281

>>114279

Well fuck. I wish Rojava the best of luck, but given Afrin I don't have much optimism.


 No.114283

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>>114281

Well if there is anytime for Assad to untie his knickers and get over his distrust of the SDC; it would be now. If the US won't be interested in protecting Syria's sovereignty, then maybe the Syrian Government will. Of course, none of this would have been a problem in Damascus was more open to negations with the SDC over the past two years or if they actually gave a shit when t*rkey invaded Afrin.

But who knows what will happen.


 No.115129

>Turkey to launch military operation east of the Euphrates River "any moment now" – President Erdogan

https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1074638614942941185

>Erdogan: US President Trump gave a positive answer to our operation in the east of the Euphrates

https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1074639489308319744


 No.115291

>Salih Muslim: We do not know what is going on between the US and t*rkey but Afrin was bombed with NATO bombs

Looks like the PYD are being more openly sceptical of the US' role in Syria.

https://twitter.com/sendika_org/status/1074743531959435264

US Representative for "Syria Engagement" has stated;

>We support SDF for specific goal: fighting ISIS which they’re not doing as a favor to us. They are partners in a transactional relationship. Afterwards they are a Syrian party like anyone. We don’t have permanent relations with substate entities.

https://twitter.com/faysalitani/status/1074740834673811456




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 No.1025[Reply]

If we're moving here we may as well bring the best part of /leftypol/ along with us.

Movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes and shitposting ITT

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 No.115128

>>114991

>implying we are the liberals

Fuck off back to your reddit board were you can't question your BO's gender.


 No.115169

File: e1535dbed0d56d1⋯.png (886.22 KB, 1000x562, 500:281, ClipboardImage.png)

I don't know if any of you saw this in the news but a 17 year old Russian anarcho-communist called Mikhail Zhlobitsky blew himself up in a lobby of the FSB office in Archangelsk, killing himself and seriously injuring three security officers

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-bomb-fsb-attack-arkhangelsk-teenager-security-agency-death-victim-latest-a8611431.html


 No.115190

>>115169

Yeah, but it was like a month ago


 No.115215

>>115169

How come these suicidal people never take out anyone important?


 No.115289

>>115190

It didn't get much news coverage and I didn't see it posted anywhere so I thought I would bring it up.




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 No.115285[Reply]

Just a general thread for discussing a union of English speaking peoples under socialism. The topic is open, just post your thoughts.

The Anglosphere ought to be united in one confederation under socialism. A common socialist historiography for the English speaking peoples should be made, starting with Oliver Cromwell and the puritans as protosocialists in the same way East Germany mythologised the German Peasant War. Marx as English resident should be highlighted. Cecil Rhode's vision ought to be raised under the red banner.

It might never happen soon, but it's a beautiful dream. It's a dream worth holding.

 No.115288

What, Oceania?




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 No.114925[Reply]

What's it called when an outlet or forum is created to corral dissident voices, and instead of empowering and uniting those voices, divides and delegitimizes those voices.

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 No.115031

/leftypol/


 No.115032

>>114943

Interesting site. Bookmarked.


 No.115183

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>>114925

Marxism


 No.115237

Ted Kaczynski

Dugin

Stirner

Engels

Kropotkin

AOC

Luxembourg

This board

This website

Butterfly poster

Hoochie Minh

Whatever other posters post here

Bookchin

Oclan

Hitler was the true revolutionary subject and you all let him down. :^)


 No.115263

Politics




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 No.36983[Reply]

Making this thread for the express purpose of discussing the Current Geo-Political Situation / Debating about / General Discussion about the D.P.R.K and so on

Preferably this thread could serve the same Purpose as the DPRK thread on /left*pol/ with it being the containment thread for discussions about the DPRK

Also if someone can get the Tank-poster whose been to NK who as far as i know still posts on the DPRK thread /left*pol/ to come here that would be nice

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 No.114493

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>>114449

I came here to laugh at tankiddies but you're worse, you aren't even using the marxist concept of property in this shitpost.


 No.114502

>>114493

Explain.


 No.114522

File: c1f9d387bf50b1c⋯.png (169.49 KB, 2768x1256, 346:157, virginpresident.png)


 No.115260

>>114502

Maybe read the Communist Manifesto for starters? It points out a difference between personal and private property.


 No.115262

>>115260

>Kim Jong-Un doesn't actually *own* the yacht, he's just the dictator of the state that owns the yacht and he gets exclusive use rights as well as control who gets access to it

Fuck off, you stupid child.




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