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>tor users may not report posts

delet this:




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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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Read the intro which talked about how difficult the text was even to a seasoned Marxist and noped out.

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Stop shitting up other threads and make your arguments for or against feminism here you faggots.

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>>The racial component in the US is reducible to class

>No it's not

>Protip, it was to foster worker isolation.

sounds like racism is a class issue then huh weird


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Yeah… the shaved ape in this picture certainly makes a convincing laydee



They're not wrong. Workerism is a real issue.


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>sounds like racism is a class issue then huh weird

>muh false dichotomy



It's not a dichotomy. The point is that the material base is class and that race is superstructure not base. Like someone already said ITT superstructure can take various forms as long as they support the base but if the base changes the supertructure must change.

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How does Marx's labour theory of value explain the tremendous success of nightcore?

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You are actually supposed to distort the pitch more than simply speeding it up would. It's not about remixing, it's about correcting the original song's mistakes.


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Simple : it isn't jazz.


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The only "genre" of music almost as ridiculous as nightcore is drum & bass:

>get a decently written techno record before you have to go to the bathroom


>oops, the needle's stuck repeating the same 5 notes

>nobody seems to notice

>get an urgent phonecall while you're washing your hands and forget about dj-ing until it's way too late

>half hour after you left, remember and hurry back in shame

>still repeating same exact 5 notes, people actually like it



>anime trash

also the music is nothing new

https://youtu.be/jylhbkhjfLc?t=30 (listen at 1.25x)



How does Marx's labour theory of value explain the tremendous success of nightcore?


>zero reproductive cost

Then The Fragment on Machines might explain it.


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have a vps, experimenting with creating some sort of leftist community that isn't chan-based. I dunno, forum, mastodon, radio?, zine?, etc. open to suggestions. It's a forum right now and it looks kind of ugly by 2019 standards, but looks great by 2005 standards. I don't think it matters, boats still have sails and paddles. Again, open to any and all suggestions. If someone thinks they can do better they can have a crack at it.

Currently decided on a forum, anonymous posting allowed on some parts. Want moderators to be 'elected' from the userbase, i.e. people who use the site decide who gets to 'run' it. I'm happy just playing with the technical side of things and being a regular user. Would be nice to have help. I'd like to be part of a community where everyone has a say and plays a part. There's so many online leftist things that are either missing or lacking. For example, everyone complains about shitty leftist youtube videos. Unlikely that one person will embody the ability to be a good speaker, do good research, write well, be a good editor/animator, or have the time to do all those things well. If we crowd-source scripts for videos, someone volounteers to present them, someone edits a video and puts it all together, the quality of the work would be much better. Why not create a place where people are able to collaborate on projects? There has been a lot of complains around these boards, not only at how the boards are run, but also on the website on which they're hosted.

Maybe some sort of longevity of written work would encourage higher quality posts. The book club was a great idea, but would people be more encouraged if they could write a short essay/critique of the work, or part of a work and have that text cleaned up and put online somewhere? I'm just asking.

I feel that being limited to an imageboard, without archiving and good threads that just disappear isn't ideal for our type of discussion. It's fine for consumer interests, where new fads and fashions allow for recycling of threads and discussion of the same topics. For our purposes to be able to search through discussions that alrePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Also, IRC server: leftist.site port 6667, use 6697 for SSL



>I don't think a 10s registration process is too much of an inconvenience.

It's not about privacy or convenience. If you don't allow anonymous posting it builds social climbing into your forum.

People can see what a person has said in the past and hold it against them. This kind of stuff is what Twitter and Reddit are built on.



>If you don't allow anonymous posting it builds social climbing into your forum.

Not necessarily. When you type in a username and password, you're still 'anonymous', you just chose a nickname. Don't think about it as registering yourself, it's more like creating a persona. Would it be an improvement if you could change your nickname any time or use an alias?

You're not limited to the amount of times you can register. Here people put on a flag, that is a sort of identification, and people use that to judge the person's post. If anything, post history is a much better guide to go off on than perceived ideological alignment. I'm hoping it will allow for better discussion and people actually making more of an effort. Also, people no longer have to explain they're joking, making a sarcastic or ironic post, because you can check post history.


>People can see what a person has said in the past and hold it against them.

Or see what a person has said and give them the benefit of a doubt and be more favourable to what they have to say. Right now, on these boards, people are always on guard, always borderline hostile or outright hostile because the person to whom they're responding could be a Nazi. Seeing a person's post history would eliminate that.


>This kind of stuff is what Twitter and Reddit are built on.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. People on twitter depend on likes and retweets for popularity and 'social climbing'. On a flat forum everyone's posts appear in order, just like on an imageboard, while on reddit users have the ability to upvote or downvote posts, effectively editing the page and what people see.



>Right now, on these boards, people are always on guard, always borderline hostile or outright hostile because the person to whom they're responding could be a Nazi. Seeing a person's post history would eliminate that.

The Nazi issue has more to due with this chan being a Nazi haven. This board being in such close proximity to /pol/ on the rankings. And /pol/ actively trying to run interference on this board. Just not having a board for Nazis on your new forum would eliminate that.

The hostility would subside as Nazis and other extremists wouldn't have a hug box to run to.

>Would it be an improvement if you could change your nickname any time or use an alias?

Yes it would, I think having a setting where the nickname or alias changed with every post would be good as well. Giving a pseudo anonymous option.



>Just not having a board for Nazis on your new forum would eliminate that.

If anonymous posting was allowed then there would be a social climbing issue, cause you would have registered users with posts vs. Anonymous users who may or may not be there in good faith. I think it has to be either one or the other, can't be both. On chans people don't like when anons use a tripcode, the reverse would be on the forum with anonymous posting.

>Yes it would, I think having a setting where the nickname or alias changed with every post would be good as well.

OK, you can change nicknames and use aliases. I think nickname changes are forum-wide, and change the name on all posts, while aliases are on a post-by-post basis. Not sure. If you can still click on a person's name and see their post history then there isn't much of a change. Remember, board volounteers and board owner can see everyone's post history here (as long as it's from the same IP) while users can't, on a forum everyone can see each other's post history. I think the latter is better for a discussion forum.

>Giving a pseudo anonymous option.

This is the pseudo anonymous option. The nickname isn't tied to an email address or your name. You're free to create as many accounts as you want.

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Stop shitting up other threads and make your arguments for or against antifeminism here you chucklefucks


Urban dictionary to the rescue, once again (LOL). https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chucklefuck

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Hey comrades, a tankie here. I just wanted to say that anyone who does not worship my "communist" dictator is a revisionist Nazi!!!!!!!


You're not a tankie

Shit thread, "comrade"


Delete this thread, then turn off your internet, and never turn it back on for our sake.

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Whats the mentality behind Nazbol?

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If you weren't an internationalist, you weren't a leftist.

Nice try /pol/.



>Begorrah just submit yourself to this world government, the exact same thing capitalists desire



There is no world government, you retard, just a world system.


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When you're so clever that you open up mspaint to out yourself of what you're being accused of because the world needs to know how hilarious you are

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Cache of guns & knives seized as German police target suspected KKK-offshoot

German law enforcement has conducted a nation-wide operation against a far-right group, seizing weapons and Nazi-themed memorabilia from its members. Around 40 people are under investigation, police confirmed.


Bogotá blast: Deadly car bomb rocks Colombia capital

A car bomb explosion has killed at least nine people in the Colombian capital, Bogotá, the country's defence ministry says.The blast happened outside a school for police cadets in the south of the city.Fifty-four people were reportedly injured in the blast which happened at 09:30 local time (14:30 GMT).


Journalist who exposed football corruption shot dead in Ghana

A Ghanaian journalist who helped expose corruption in African football has been shot dead in Accra.Ahmed Husein was part of a team led by award-winning journalist Anas Aremeyaw Anas, whose investigation led to the resignation of the head of the Ghana Football Association.


Lyon explosion: Huge blast at university campus in France leaves three injured

Three people have been injured in a massive explosion at a university building in Lyon, France.Footage of the blast shows a fireball erupting into the sky above the building where a large fire could already be seen on the roof.

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That Green Growth at the Heart of the Green New Deal? It’s Malignant

A burgeoning save-the-climate effort called the Green New Deal, explains Vox’s David Roberts, “has thrust climate change into the national conversation, put House Democrats on notice, and created an intense and escalating bandwagon effect. … everyone involved in green politics is talking about the GND. … But WTF is it?”Roberts goes on to give a good summary, but no one can fully answer that question until someone puts a complete plan down on paper. We do know that the vision as it’s being described by its fans (and it seems to have nothing but fans in the climate movement) explicitly draws its inspiration from the New Deal that the Roosevelt Administration launched eighty-four years ago in an effort to end the Great Depression.A Tale of Two Deals:The Green New Deal would emulate its predecessor’s use of public investment and hiring, improvement of wages, and socioeconomic safety nets to accelerate economic growth and reduce unemployment. That part of the vision should be pretty straightforward. But in asking whether success in reaching those economic goals could also help head off ecological catastrophe, we first need to take into account how the original New Deal worked, both as a civilian project and as it morphed into the war effort of the 1940s.The massive public investment in the civilian economy that began in 1933 carried on through that decade. And the war production and recruitment boom of the early 1940s should be seen as an extension of the New Deal, in part because that turned out to be the spending that finally ended the Depression.


Mexican strikers show working class answer to capitalist reaction at US-Mexico border

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>Climate change and deforestation are putting more than half the world’s wild coffee species at risk of extinction, including the popular commercial coffees Arabica and Robusta, scientists warned on Wednesday.

Wtf I love climate change now.



lol gloria steinem is still alive



>How New York City Ended Up With 2 Competing Women’s Marches

Don't you just love when PC zealots cannibalize each other? Feminazis always play the divide and conquer card against the left, but not it came back to bite them in their diabetic asses.

Let the brawling begin. Let everyone on the mainstream know what the cancerous epidemic plague known as feminism is, and why we oppose it.


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>Intellectuals, Artists, Back Zapatistas Against AMLO's Projects

>Mexican strikers show working class answer to capitalist reaction at US-Mexico border

Can any beaners shed light on these? What's the story with AMLO's impact on Mexican politics so far, if anything?

>That Green Growth at the Heart of the Green New Deal? It’s Malignant

What a load of third-worldist lifestylist doomer bullshit. Nearly all of our conventional energy infrastructure is already decades beyond its intended service life, and sustainable energy systems are already cheaper per kWH LCoE. That will have to be replaced, no choice, the only decision is whether it's burning more money for conventional energy capacity, or saving money to build greater amounts of sustainable energy capacity. Not to mention that the primary means of reducing resource consumption, conservation, will actually have a positive effect on economic growth.

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This board needs to read more, and something besides a low traffic sticky is needed. To this end I think we need to revive the /leftpol/ reading group, this time without titofag being the only guy who read anything. We can start off with some basic texts of anarchism and marxism, then move on to more specfic stuff.

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So I guess we need a new poll for next week. I'm at work and can't make one unfortunately, can the manarchist anon or someone handle it?




Thanks fam. Forgot it was time already.


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Do we start reading next Monday?

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OK this is epic.

These elites are used to eating caviar and truffles while snorting coke of a whores pussy lips.

Its fucking genuis to serve them a load of Macdonalds fast food.

Its cheap and quintissentially American, but even better if they refuse to eat it they willl be turning their noses up at the food that common Americans eat. Which would further highlight the disconnect between American elite politicians and regular Murricans.

Im British and they did the same thing in the early Brexit negotiations when they made the EU politicians eat beans on toast. It reflected really badly on the EU elites when they demanded caviar and champagne instead of the crap regular British people eat. Shame they fucked the rest of the negotiations up.

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>imagine thinking Trump is one of you rather than one of the elite that's fucking you

Why is /pol/ so retarded?








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>capitalist food is utilitarian (to capitalism) and cheap

>combines multiple food groups in one item, but usually too low quality to count as good meat, vegetable, or grain

>hastily made so you can pick it up in your car on the way to work

>structured so you can hold it in one hand and eat while driving

>loaded with additives and nutrients specifically designed to promote addiction (salt, fat, sugar)

>socialist food first and foremost is nutritious and widely available

>it's consumed at a time set aside for the activity, so people can fully experience eating as a basic joy of life

>probably consumed socially since food is often better with company, and multiple people eating in one place centralizes meal production

>from each according to his ability to each according to his need, different people contributing food for all to eat

Socialist food is potlucks and cookouts.



Everyone eats McD's in the states, yes? I remember reading a press report about Bill Gates presenting a discount coupon at McD's. He'd just arrived in his private jet and was hungry.

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>US President Donald Trump has said he is prepared for a partial shutdown of the US government - now entering its third week - to last years.

>After meeting top Democrats, he also said he could declare a national emergency to bypass Congress and build a US-Mexico border wall.

>[…] he acknowledged in response to a journalist's question that he had threatened to keep federal agencies closed for years if necessary.

>"I did say that, absolutely I said that," said Mr Trump in the executive mansion's Rose Garden. "I don't think it will but I am prepared."

>Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer told reporters: "We told the president we needed the government open. He resisted.

>"In fact he said he'd keep the government closed for a very long period of time. Months or even years."

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I'm not proud, but as the song goes I've got bills to pay; I've got mouths to feed.



>auditing porkies and forcing them to comply with the social contract instead of embezzling it all, in what is by far the most porky-centric branch of our tax system

>not marxist



Nah, we T-Men work for the banks creating a need for fiat currency while providing the paperwork for things like mortgages and student loans. Right now the banks are throwing interest-free loans at us to replace our paychecks while the shutdown is in effect. The IRS walking out on tax season is a SHTF scenario for the financial industry.

Unfortunately, the NETU (good bourgeois union that it is) is doing fuck-all to take advantage, and it will be a few more weeks before guys get worried enough to go wildcat. The good news is that a lot of T-Men seem to already be doing the same thing that the TSAs are doing: calling in sick. Keep an eye on the Treasury Department if this shutdown drags on much longer.



>That would be the definition of being a renter.

Lol, $800 per month for a decent apartment vs $2000 plus for a flop house a few blocks from gangland is a pretty big fucking difference

>You could never get me to go back to that Third World shithole no matter how cheep the rent is.

Hahah knew it, in 20 years I'll own my shit out right in my "shithole", while you'll still be a neo-surf. Oh wow! You live around a bunch of shitty restaurants, totally worth not having any savings. No way could someone be happy around more natural beauty. Keep telling yourself that the coasts are the only places that have culture. Your landlord is laughing all the way to the bank.

>Bet my old university is better than yours.

Okay, then you were a terrible student. Doesn't detract from my main point that people that can't get good salaries with a 4 year degree have a shitty education.

>So a prole.

Some proles have property, most don't. Hey idiot you do realize that if you're a poor young person you're not the only one that's poor. Usually your parents, siblings and anyone you have a personal relationship is as well. I was blessed with parents that could think ahead. But I can count on 2 fingers how many people from genuinely poor backgrounds that could do life planning and I'm one of them.

>And then you keep working, because you cannnot live on that shit unless you were either a chief or a major or better.

Lol, nice lie by omission. You forgot the part about RETIRING IN 20 years. That puts the average solider in their early 40's when they retire with half their pay. It's not a big deal to work into your middle age.

>Because that's what the IRS is known for, retard.

Every agency has low level shit positions retard.

>And what is this self-impressed petit-bourgeois preening about how great your career is because you worked hard and made all the right choices.

It's not preening. The CivPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>Wow, yeah! Everyone totally needs Goat herders half way across the world shot.

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You know the drill.

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Muh no true Scotsman



Both are useful in their own ways. So is Machiavelli but he stated similar things Schopenhauer would repeat three centuries later. More things change…



Fuck off Trotsky



tfw lockean anticommunist poster

tfw redlink


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Should I (or other Americans here) join any of these? Are there any past or current members here that want to share their thoughts?

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Some chapters (East Bay, Philly) are good. Most small city chapters who do nothing but phone zap and relitigate the Russian Revolution. Some big city chapters (NYC, Boston) are idpol tirefires.




Full of strong feminist fatqueer wmxn who work are coffee shops.





DSA seems like a cointel deradicalization group secretly run by the Democratic party



The COINTEL groups were the most outwardly "radical" or identity-focused (Progressive Labor, Cleaver's wing of the Panthers, Ad Hoc Committee for a Marxist-Leninist Party, US Organization, Redstockings, We, etc etc etc). Deradicalization was never a COINTEL tactic.



Not Marxist in the slightest and simply a SocialDemocratic organisation


An actual Marxist party though extremely micro

If a chapter is in your area I would suggest it


From what I've read not much of a mass Union anymore as much as a protest group


Almost certainly Feds



I work in IT. Can I join IWW?

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1. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY IN CHEAPEST WAYS POSSIBLE, without expensive rent, 50 year mortgage etc ? you can propose many different options and what's upfront and/or monthly cost

examples: living in RV/van/car, homeless/homelessness shelter, some cheap land and mobile home, sharing a flat or house with someone, etc

2. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY ANONYMOUSLY - that means, to have different official address (to get letters etc), but different true address (where you sleep, make food)? so the police or your enemies cannot easily come to your place to "suicide" you

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1. Move to a country with no death penalty for murder.

2. Go immediately to an area populated by rich people.

3. Break into rich persons house.

4. If rich person appears, kill them.

5. Eat rich persons food.

6. Use rich persons stuff.

7. Sleep in rich persons bed.

8. Return to 5. until 72 hours have elapsed.

9. Return to 3. possibly changing area once in a while, until captured by police.

10. Confess to multiple homicides.

11. Enjoy free state provided board and lodgings.


Unless you're literally asking for advice on how to live cheaply for reasons of survival then this post is pure lifestylism



>says a keyboard communist who reads theory and does nothing else


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>implying the revolution won't be brought about in 2027 by my archived high quality shit posts inspiring John Connor to terminate capitalism



I am trying to wrap my head around the concept of paying more money for McDonalds "food" than I would have to for real food.

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