Ya'll Chinese need Maoism.
>superexploitation doesn't exi-
Those dormatories remind me of the dormatories i slept in while studying in china. Same beds, but the walls in this picture look slightly better maintained, on the other hand I had a desk with bed overhead instead of a doubledecker bed.
4/10 bed is fucking hard and french toilets are shit.
Truly a Marxist paradise
>Rightwingers say China is capitalism
>Rightwingers say China is socialism
mickey mouse is real socialism
Depends what argument you're trying to win.
I was told Xi Jinping had mandated yearly minimum wage increases though?
Fucking where and why?
I'm in a Fedbook group called Socialism in the 21st century and all the mods constantly defend every single thing the PRC does and I argue constantly, I really want to put this in that fucking group. The worst part is I know the mods live comfy stereotypical first world lives, one comment chain about a Chinese electronics firm devolved into them talking about what phone they should buy
this is socialism though, muh productive forces
inbf banned by BO
Could it be…. was Walt Disney…… Nazbol?
>workers earned about 2,000 Chinese yuan a month (£228)
Another anti-china thread by your resident agent. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
Dengoids to the wall.
Why does BO type so retarded?
2000 yuan a month isnt a lot lad.
That shitty dormitory alone is 300 yuan a month already and the food is another roughly 40 yuan a day if you live extremely cheaply. That leaves you with 460 yuan a month to spend on other necessities such as clothes and healthcare (which isnt free in china) as well as a moped+fuel for transport, and a cellphone plan.
-t lived in china for half a year
>That shitty dormitory alone is 300 yuan a month already
This is assuming that the factory offers the same generous deal as the universities do, which I highly highly highly doubt. Its probably much more than 300 a month.
NO THREADS about the US on the front page, all about foreign countries and their "corruption". Hmmmm, revealing.
Because the US and the people within it are fucking stupid.
Because leftists don't go around defend the US as a socialist state you fucking dolt.
"socialist" nation-states have always found shills willing to defend them ideologically, sometimes not even for bribes.
criticizing the US and it's economic system doesn't need to be done around people who already know how bad it is and how much damage it causes.
I do understand Chinese proletariat lives shitty life. It's just not super-exploitation, but life in developing capitalist country.
>"socialist" nation-states have always found shills willing to defend them ideologically, sometimes not even for bribes.
Lmao at this backward contortion of politics. You're of the ilk who said this exact same shit when the USSR was under attack by all the capitalist powers. Fucking scum.
Let us repeat:
>"socialist" nation-states have always found shills
>"socialist" nation-states have always found shills
>"socialist" nation-states have always found shills
>"socialist" nation-states have always found shills
Should be banned and fucking killed. Our main enemy are the snakes in the communist movement, like you.
No fuck off, we should have a thread every hour about the US' deleterious effect on humanity as we know it. The US should be criticized EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY by any serious "leftist". The US is THE antagonism that's holding back socialism.
How about you stop being such an incredibly online faggot and uncuck your country to a level where it's worth discussion, rather than expecting foreigners to discuss your shithole country with you all the time?
Calm down americlap gook
1. China is in no way communist anymore, it actively undermines its own genuinine communist movements and persues market capitalism
2. We dont want to talk about your fucking fuckrard country. I know you americans have a fucking massive ego but the world doesnt fucking revolve around you. Your country is a lost cause and your efforts are better off killing yourself in an act of martyrdom than shouting at other people for critisizing a country (china) that consistently self admits to being a market economy and which keeps arresting and surpressing actual communists.
Fuck off and go on your coffeebreak with your fellow whatever lettersoup or chink agency you are from, with your textbook tumblr-tier cointelpro rhetoric like "you should be banned and fucking killed". Youre not fooling anyone.
Why have you both made the assumption that I'm a subhuman american? Also nice for you to reveal your orientalist spookery, at least we got to the heart of the matter.
Because only an american would say "we need to cirisize amarica and nothing else every waking moment".
Either than or youre a hardline iranian, but those arent fond of commies so I doubt that.
Also fuck off back to tumblr with your retardation. You know saying slurs on chans isnt necessarily an profession of racism or bigotry in any way.
Because everybody here is well aware that the US is a literal evil empire, but there are plenty of retards who unironically think that China will implement FALC any second.
No, a good 95% of the people here ARE American and a good 80% of that percentage believe in the bullshit spouted by socdems like AOC and bernie. They think the US can be reformed and still retain the exceptionalism bullshit. You are way too charitable.
>No, a good 95% of the people here ARE American
Fuck off american, this board has waaaaaaaaaay more non-borgors than just 5%
>a good 80% of that percentage believe in the bullshit spouted by socdems like AOC and bernie.
Maybe your mom shouldnt have drank so much when she was pregnant with you
>sperg out because nobody wants to talk about america as it's an irredeemable shithole
>insist everyone is an american who thinks it can be reformed
Really activating my almonds over here.
I used to think the same but the non-americans only proclaim their nationality when prompted to, so it skews your perception of board demographics. The norm here is American, the second largest demographic is from the UK, which I'm from. It's the same on EVERY board on both chans.
>No, a good 95% of the people here ARE American and a good 80% of that percentage believe in the bullshit spouted by socdems like AOC and bernie.
>They think the US can be reformed
The potential for America to stop being an imperialist porky shithole is a wholly separate issue from whether or not it’s imperialist.
You do know we have periodic polls right? Like at least a third is non-usa
>UK which I am from
There is 0 difference between americans and brits.
>There is 0 difference between americans and brits.
Never denied that, this country can get nuked too.
Then shut up, stop saying we should talk about burgerstan, stop accusing others of being "orientalist" while being british yourself and stop defending chinas regime and their crimes against the workers. Just because you once flooded them with opium doesnt mean they are an eternal noble oppressed nation, they are openly capitalist.
>being this much of a pushover to a spastic american
As far as NATO is concerned America is objectively the worst by miles, with Germany second.
>the guy crying about a lack of america threads is a brit
Oh. He's probably one of the FBPE spastics that has found their way here recently.
>Worse than the UK or France
The UK is actively imperialist and France actively maintain a quasi-colonial empire in africa. Germany is just the cucked puppeted ruler of europe.
>basing how good a country's socialist movement is by how imperialist its government is
You're pretty stupid, aren't you?
>He's probs one FBPE
Sorry mate but what? How does wanting to bitch about the Yanks make you FBPE? Legit question.
>The "goodness" of the socialist movements (without power) in a country is relevant in any way when talking about "As far as NATO is concerned", an organisation about mutual "defence" and military missions.
BTW I gotta say accusing the yanks of falling for sucdem rhetoric, then putting germany as worse than the UK or france for the presumed "socialist movement" in the UK, which is just sucdems, is quite rich. Corbyn isnt much different from bernie sanders and the communist movement in germany is arguably better and more militant than that in the UK.
Germany exploits other Europeans via the EU. I wouldn't call them cucked. The real danger is the reactionary and collaborationist elements in their working class though. When push comes to shove they will embrace whatever lets them keep their precious concessions.
America is still far worse than the UK in the contemporary moment, I was saying that the UK and US are morally equivalent but the US is now much more dangerous to socialism AND human life in general as of now. That's why we should talk about the US non-stop. Sorry if that hurts your patriotic spooks.
I've noticed more Brits shitting the place up and an increased support for remain. Being the big brain I am I have connected the two.
Because if I didn't specify I was talking about NATO countries then someone would mention some obscure ML movement in the third world and complain that we don't talk about that, despite nobody knowing anything about it.
>Corbyn isnt much different from bernie sanders
No? Sanders is shit at foreign policy and his domestic issues are Blairite.
>and the communist movement in germany is arguably better and more militant than that in the UK.
Germany is shit, I've never seen any evidence otherwise.
Reading about what socialism actually argued for (fair wages based on value produced, not "docturz and janitors making the same") and connecting that with stories like this turned me to the left.
how the fuck can normies read about this and think that the system is okay?
Tbf the actually communist movement in the UK is effectively nonexistent (the CPB is effectively a think tank and all the others don't bare mentioning), the British hard and far lefts aren't really communist in the Leninist sense.
It's effectively nonexistent in every country discussed ITT by those standards.
>I've noticed more Brits shitting the place up and an increased support for remain.
You fucking moron no one in the britpol thread is for remain. Stop making up shit agendas becasue I, as a brit, don't like Americans. Sorry burger boy.
>wasn't around for the last thread
Stay mad reddit faggot.
>Not online every hour of the day to read shit opinions means you're from reddit
This seriously has to be the last, most desperate attempt to save face.
cool another chinanon
Is there any good chinese theory that's not just Xi's ordinary policies?
Half of their front page is about Burgerland.
>Not seeing a thread that's in the catalog for weeks at a time and having shit opinions means you're from reddit
Produce an argument you simp.
I was talking about this board, and at the time I made that post.
Isn't American being a corrupt shithole usual as saying water is wet?
A lot of people still have faith in America though. And they still think it can turn around with some lukewarm succdemmery.
Against what? Your refusal to make threads you want to post in and insistence on shitting up others? Your refusal to read threads off the first page despite claiming you don't have time to browse regularly?
Stop being a stupid cunt.
>And they still think it can turn around with some lukewarm succdemmery.
No one believes that. No one here is a sucdem.
>load up r/all to get some comfy dogs and explosions before bed
>it's an onslaught of american decay
>meth heads murdering their kids
>judges talking like trash when sentencing them
>teachers singing the national anthem while cutting their pupils hair as punishment
Sorry how the fuck is the UK as bad as the US again?
because burgers are ignorant and retarded
<REEE DEATH TO AMERICA
you forgot your flag, christcom
Death to America is basically every flag and also everyone without a flag. It's just a pretty boring country to discuss because the leftists there are pathetic radlibs who vote Dem constantly including the Americans on this board.
>including the Americans on this board.
I haven't seen much evidence of this, if so.
>It's just a pretty boring country to discuss because the leftists there are pathetic radlibs who vote Dem constantly including the Americans on this board
Everyone here either voted Jill Stein or Trump
Should have seen it around the house elections. The presidential was fine.
accelerationism or le epic Zizek may may
Back in 2016 the board wasn't full of retarded redditors who can be held hostage.
some MTWs supported Trump because he pretended to be anti-neocon (he wasn't)
some Zizekians supported Trump because they thought it would break all the liberal centrists from the DNC (it didn't)
accelerationists supported Trump because they thought it would agitate the working class to revolt (they haven't)
some retards continue to post this crap as if they were on the board at the time (they'll say they were anyway) and will never stop posting it (i'm responding to one of them now)
Clinton rigged the primaries via voting machine tampering, she had zero economic policy, was heavily spoiling for conflict with Russia, and was up against an isolationist candidate.
Radlibs sit around in the US wondering why they just get offered corporate Democrats for decades. You get rid of them by making sure they never get into office. Trump's victory completely shattered the neoliberal consensus and for all their shitting and farting you can bet every American that became a socialist in 2016 would still be a basic bitch Democrat if Clinton won.
Maoist third worldist. He's just pulling shit out of his ass to justify voting Democrat with the rest of the Chapos.
"Maoist" Third Worldist, basic idea is that communist revolution has to happen in the third world because the first world's working class benefits enough from imperialism that they have as much interest in keeping capitalism as capitalists do.
Nobody wanted Hillary. Some people saw Trump as someone who might maybe add a slight benefit to the left through either non-interventionist policies or crushing the democrats and others saw him as bad but so bad that he might break the illusion of American politics and crush the democrats in the process. The dems were never an option for anyone, like people said before it was either Stein or Trump, and Stein wasn't going to win.
The best way to ensure governmental dysfunction and hegemonic collapse is to have a stupid hardliner reactionary in charge of your empire. A competent reactionary is bad however.
>The best way to ensure governmental dysfunction and hegemonic collapse is to have a stupid hardliner reactionary in charge of your empire.
Also this freak lol
Trump is no where even close to being as bad as these men. He may be a bit of a fool but he's still able to grow the Right and fill important positions with his people and further right wing power.
If we admit that Trump and Hillery are basically one in the same just wearing different flags but with Trump being a little bit more openly reactionary and supportive of the Right then a Hillery president or a "moderate" Republican government are still preferable to a slightly stupid sort of reactionary who is still very capable of running a state.
>2000 yuan a month isnt a lot lad.
>That shitty dormitory alone is 300 yuan a month already and the food is another roughly 40 yuan a day if you live extremely cheaply. That leaves you with 460 yuan
2000 -300 -40 = 460 ?
40 yuan a day, 40*30=1200+300=1500
2000-1500=500. That anon probably took 31 for a month, but 30 is closer to the average length of month. Doesn't matter he was still pretty much right.
I love how amerifats are literally incapable of imagining a society in which rents aren't exorbitantly high.
D'oh. I missed the "a day" thing with food, even though I quoted that part >_< Sorry.
That is actually pretty cheap.
Most Europeans pay upwards 40-50% for normal housing.
>This is assuming that the factory offers the same generous deal as the universities do, which I highly highly highly doubt. Its probably much more than 300 a month.
These types of factories often also provide included dorm housing and meals for their workers. Which is also unpleasant in a way, but it does nuance the low wage number.
Did you see the picture of the dormitory here >>2742019? They're pretty shit. That's not living, that's bare minimum surviving.
Where is winning here, for what?. You don't have a touch with reality. Paid shill?.
>that's bare minimum surviving
No, bare minimum surviving is when you have to kill your own meat and use the skins to keep yourself warm at night and in the cold season.
>lol let me show how people in a country in 2018 are slightly better off than people who lived in the pre-agricultural period of Human development
Living in a dorm in the factory where you work, getting fed by the factory and being given just enough money to feed and clothe yourself month to month is literally the definition of surviving in capitalism. This is exactly what Marx was trying to end, and here you are defending it.