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Ya'll need Mises.

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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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Organizations of Interest
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The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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any incels in here? will inceldom disappear in ancap? if yes then why are not all incels ancaps? maybe in ancap only high time preference people would be incels while virtuous, hard working, rich men would be nonvirgins?

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Are you completely fucking retarded? We're already in a situation where the human race is being fucked sideways by dysgenics and we didn't need a-wombs to get there. Introduce a-wombs and women are no longer the gatekeepers of childbirth.



>hurr durr ur retarded?

even if it is possible to make a-wombs in near future, it would be available only for rich and successful people, most people will have to reproduce by natural way so failed abortions like you won't get chance to reproduce anyway



Medical technology tends to start at the top (usually because shiny new shit costs a lot of fucking money) and eventually becomes more and more accessible. Still, let's entertain your obvious train of thought here and say ONLY the rich ever get access to it. This is a problem… why? If I had to identify the myriad of problems with modern society, one of them would be dumb cunts getting access to more money than they ever deserved simply because they were a good-looking womb on legs. Women with tons of money do stupid shit.

I like how you're making this personal. I'm touching a nerve. Wait, let me guess - you're a woman? Tits or GTFO.



>let me guess, are you a roastie

Let me guess, are you a virgin? Artificial wombs will most likely give birth to retards because unlike real women, they do not apply the necessary evolutionary pressures to keep low sexual market betas from remaining as betas. This technology would give birth to a race of subhumans worse than we already have.

Anyway, even if you're right, a race that ever has to resort to fucking artificial wombs to survive is such a fucking failure that it should be genocided out of existence.



we still don't have sexbots available for everyone and you're talking about a-wombs. i can assure you you'll never live long enough to be able to buy such things. you'll never have children, deal with it.

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What does /liberty/ think about the CIS/Trade Federation?

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I don’t know if you’re the original creator of that image you posted, but it’s a real eye sore to see a cropped photo not have its white excess ridges cut out.



>gets BTFO by the Republic

>are just useful idiots/cucks of some senator from Naboo(the planet they were supposedly standing up to which started the whole war)



Libertarianism is inherently left-wing, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.



No, the war didn't start until the second film. That was just a minor (relatively-speaking) skirmish/dispute akin to the Homestead Strike.



*Actually, John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry would be a better example.

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ITT: Post things we'll see in Ancapistan.

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Hey /fascist/, isn't it too early to raid us again?


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Fuck off, reddit.


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You know I'm really bothered by the first image because I know the only reason you went with DeWalt was their color scheme.

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>Despite its location just outside of Thailand's territorial waters, leaving it outside the reach of the country's laws according to international maritime law, the world's second "seastead" was raided by Thai police earlier this week as the country's military-dominated government pressed charges of violating national sovereignty against the two bitcoin enthusiasts who had lived there.

>The couple, Chad Elwartowski and his partner Supranee Thepdet, who goes by Nadia, could face life in prison or a death sentence in a Thai court if they are caught and formally charged. The two had sought to be pioneers in the seasteading movement, which advocates building structures anchored in international waters to allow people to live outside the control of governments and their laws.

>Thai authorities revoked Elwartowski's visa and said they would destroy the seastead within a week. The crackdown has dashed the couple's plans to build 'underwater restaurants' and 'floating hotels' to Phuket.

>But Thailand's navy said the couple's outpost still endangered national sovereignty, charging them with article 119 of the Thai Criminal Code, an offense punishable by life imprisonment or death.

>Build a 6m box floating in the middle of the fucking ocean

>Potentially get the death penalty for an offense as nebulous as "endangering national sovereignty"

Gee, I wonder why they wanted to move to the middle of the ocean? Seems to me "recreational nukes" will be an important prerequisite for establishing a free society in a den of tyrannical governments.



>Seems to me "recreational nukes" will be an important prerequisite for establishing a free society in a den of tyrannical governments.

I agree but not while allah ackbars still exist. In my personal oppinion, the only ethical solution towards that society would be full on GATTACA ethical reprogramming to match European universal moralism.



And the redditors I argued with in past seasteading threads said "noooo, this wouldn't happen, governments aren't as bad as you conspiracy theorists think".

The reddit menace, along with that faggot who posts with the mutualist flag, should be shunned for being such gullible liberal scum.




is it a string of nitrogenous bases?



Yes. It's also the name of a film in which genetic enhancement has become commonplace.


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Holy shit youre STILL seething?

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how will people solve 5G problem in ancap? is sending 5G radiation into someone's property a violation of NAP? will in ancap people defend their properties with counter-radiation or some kind of a shield? okay G5 radiation is (probably) not unhealthy but in ancap we will have many crazy tinfoilhat people i hope

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muh dik



So any action which increases the value of a good is now theft? You don't have a leg to stand on here, IP isn't property and you're just bandying about with definitions and tangents rather than admitting this fact.



bix nood


>600 MHz to 5 GHz range

You need ranges starting in the petahertz to cause some serious damage.




the main difference is, when everybody can wear red without physical problems

however when everybody uses one frequency range, then that range is useless, because everybody collides

imagine frequency ranges as one non-expandable road and everybody using just one side of it for both directions. obviously they won't arrive to their destination.

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Every time the government wants to pass something horrible that past two decades, it's the same four excuses:

>X helps proliferate child porn.

>This is a tool to stop money laundering.

>Gotta get tough on terrorism.

>There's a human trafficking crisis.

I know there's a lot of people who come onto this board and meme "BUt whAt IF thE chILd COnsENts," but is the libertarian movement going to get crushed because you can basically justify anything an authoritarian does by remotely connecting it to "Cracking down on CP" (or terrorism or human trafficking or money laundering)? Increase TSA searches because that cracks down on CP. Take away VPNs because those are used for CP. Take away Bitcoin because money laundering and only people selling CP would launder money. Take away everyone's gun because some hick in Virginia liked his gun and his cousin's mother-in-law turned out to have a ton of CP.

There's no talk about what would ACTUALLY stop this sort of stuff. It's always this fucking gut reaction. I'm getting kind of depressed by it.

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What's the best tool for that?




Recreational McNukes.




This should be required reading for /pol/. Board quality would skyrocket overnight.

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Why don't you faggots have a board tan?

>pics related from OC thread


<inb4 muh snake girl

that's /leftypol/'s and not even a decent snake girl

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Pinochet chan looks like a good candidate here.


>Spreading her here lead to shit-tier parts of the internet using her.

It's only natural that what is produced here falls to the lower circles like twitter and discord. It's like tossing bones to the dogs straight off the dinner table.



>that's /leftypol/'s and not even a decent snake girl

Ours now. Those who don't respect others' property rights shouldn't expect theirs to be respected.


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>Just noticed for the first time she's disinterestedly masturbating in pic 1

What is she getting off to, /liberty/? What are her exhentai tags?


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I thought Utena-san was /liberty/'s board-tan.


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Old one is auto-saging. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc., go here. If you have a "what about ____" question you'd like to ask that you're really, really sure will stump everyone this time, do a quick look over this list: (http://archive.is/bbtHt) before you post–chances are, someone has asked that question before, and there's already an answer or answers available to you.

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Ah, my bad. In that case, aren't the low-to-negative interest rates the answer? Systematically destroying the incentive to put off gratification in favor of a higher return will destroy most if not all productive behavior in an economy. And once your recession hits, Keynesian fagolas will tell you the answer to your problem is to print more money and make the interest rates even lower, because something something aggregate demand. And unlike the United States, Japan isn't the world reserve currency, meaning they have no ability to export their inflation overseas, so they're hit by the full brunt of inflation and near-zero interest rates instead of only part of it the way the US is. As for why the US appears to be approaching a similar situation, I think that's because the US is no longer certain to be the world reserve currency. More and more countries are going off the petrodollar, more and more countries are buying and selling oil in Euros and yuan. As a result, we've been less able to outsource our inflation to other countries by them taking dollars from us, and we're less able to escape the worst of our massive credit expansion.



Is the Euro actually that worthwhile given all the EU shenanigans? The Yuan I get since the Chinese have been buying gold and all that but I can't see the EU lasting more than 10 years at most.



>Is the Euro actually that worthwhile given all the EU shenanigans?

Not really, no. Fiat currencies are held together with nothing more than spit and prayer after all, and the Eurozone doesn't have much prayer going its way. At least the US had a fairly substantial productive surplus to whittle away over the years on which it backed the value of its monopoly money, and a fair amount of global prestige/military might in addition to that. The EU has none of those things, and next to zero productive surplus as they've already been whittling it away through social policies. Add in the fact that most of their security production (i.e. national defense) is subsidized by the US,and they're in an even worse position once that goes away.

I personally don't see the yuan as much better in the long run. Buying gold or no, they've been constantly devaluing their currency to subsidize all manner of non-productive investments, like those "ghost cities" you always hear about. I wouldn't count on it being stable forever.


Do you think it will ever reach a point where the left and right in the U.S. look at each other and say, "You know what? It's time to get a divorce," and then finally just go ahead and secede from each other?



We tried that already, and the Union turned out to be a very jealous lover. Once people have power, they get very touchy about losing it, especially when the form of that power loss is a large number of people saying the men in charge aren't good enough and leaving. All that being said, I do think the only viable path to liberty is a secession from the current order. But it won't come without a lot of bloodshed as the original government tries to reconquer the seceding party, unless the federal government has gotten so weak that it's unable to stop anything.

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>muh cuckstitution will prevent tyranny

Then explain mass surveillance, gun control, Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Fed, endless war, etc.



I would prefer if the government got rid of the laws that enable a small number of banks to wield such power in the first place, but I see no problem with using the state to restrict the power of firms that have obviously benefitted from the state, e.g. Goldman Sachs, Facebook. But I don't think that's going to happen, because the state is sponsored by these entities already, and the media either slanders or blackouts anyone who tries to enter politics with the goal of ending tyranny. Just look what they did to Ron Paul.



not prevent, but slow the fuck down and make it more difficult.

Take the difference between the UK and the US. Very similar culture, decently similar genetics. Yet, one country is a place where you get arrested because you twitted something "wrong" and can't buy a butter knife, while in the US you can write whatever you want and own guns.

Why is that? The UK didn't have any constitutional protection, so the first politician with a hitch to scratch could pass whatever the shit he wanted. Meanwhile in the US you need a big majority and then there is the supreme court and the fact that people are more easily educated in what are the basic rules of the society and that they include the government shall make no laws against freedoom of speech and that US citizens can have guns.

Of course this system is not perfect, but it's what we have now and what we have to work with. If you want perfectionism just look at communism and see the results.



just create your bank bro



>if you are against making laws to stop the banks from banning conservatives and libertarians because "m-muh gubmnenetns"

Point to someone advocating for such a law. All I see are people pointing out that these banks effectively are the government. I have no problem with using state violence against people that would seek to use the same against me.


There's a world of difference between acknowledging that the Constitution is occasionally useful as a speedbump and claiming that it's some all-powerful document capable of stopping big government in its tracks. It has some utility at present, but it's still fundamentally deficient as a preventative measure and should be replaced by something even more limiting at the earliest convenience.

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How would I survive with my mommy? By sucking her milkies, duh, are you stupid?



>How would you survive with mom

Fairly easily. I'd contribute monetary assets and the house, and she'd cook/pay the bills she can afford to pay. Fortunately we're both financially stable enough that this living situation isn't required.




You know he meant *without


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If he that meant, then why he that not said?



>what typo is

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The workers organise their own production like Bakounin 's collectivism but there is a state to tax and provide essential public services. I just came up with that idea, would that work?

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>essential public services

What services do you think are essential?


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Public toilets. I don't know how you ancraps plan to survive without them. Also, if all the roads are privatized, how will I be able to shit on the streets?



What OP means is that it's hard to have a business model where workers run a business the same way, for example, that a family runs a family business and shares the profits among themselves. Honestly, this isn't a bad way to run a business, but it's not ideal for everyone so I don't know why you would call yourself a libertarian if you want to force this on others. If anyone wants to share the means of production in ancap, they'll definitely be able to, they'll be able to start their communes or have entire districts in cities in which everyone runs their business this way.



>workplace democracy



>how will I be able to shit on the streets?

You can go to India.

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Libertarian-leaning incel board had this up:



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So to sum up, you'd stand by and allow your own family or friends to kill themselves and you think children "who could be described as individuals" don't have to listen to their parents, is that about right?



society pushed into your mind suicide is bad, but it isn't. the only reason suicide is actively fought against is because when someone kills himself, system doesn't have control over him anymore

also as stated, laws preventing suicide could be always twisted and abused because you cannot define exact state when person is doing harmful action to kill themselves and when not. smoking could be banned, because you're trying to kill yourself, same goes with unhealthy food, sports etc.



>So to sum up, you'd stand by and allow your own family or friends to kill themselves

I would not violate their right of self-ownership to stop them.

>you think children "who could be described as individuals" don't have to listen to their parents

That is not what I said. Saying that one possesses their own body does not mean that they don't "have to" listen to anybody. Though I don't know what you mean by "have to".



not the guy you're replying to but yes, it is their decision and although I love them, I can't forcibly hold them here knowing they're suffering, that would be selfish


Thanks for the screencaps guys. Its going to be a lot of help.

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>gay is okay

>fucking animals is okay

>polygamy/polyamory is okay

>freedom of speech/freedom to promote communism

>freedom of religion

>racial equality under the law


So when did you realize that you're basically just a moderate leftist?

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I literally saw a girl with an ass THIS fucking thicc today, the waist and everything else was slim though, like it should be. The most surprising thing is that she was really young too, I'm not even memeing, but she couldn't have been more than 18.



Without the goverment, who will keep me form killing niggers, marrying 12 years olf girls, raiding weaker communities, and disrespecting women? Check m8



Good point.





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