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 No.92198

Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a men

 No.92199

>>92198

>a men


 No.92204

>>92199

Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a man.

Happy now, nerd?


 No.92206

>>92204

>>92198

>fascist

Well, better than lolbergs anyway.


 No.92239

File: f183d2999aca3f0⋯.png (104.04 KB, 800x650, 16:13, 4G89uaNWt6lL9p84wZAUaAEWAE….png)

>>92198

Funny, seems like those are my exact results.


 No.92245

File: 79c6ef88cd6e5a2⋯.jpg (497.01 KB, 1439x1971, 1439:1971, Screenshot_20181018-222511….jpg)

why are you people fascist that's disgusting


 No.92246

File: 92c12ef51627e2e⋯.jpg (49.86 KB, 800x723, 800:723, considerthefollowing-rope.jpg)

>>92245

>71% progressivism

>62% internationalism

>7(!)% communism

100% a faggot.


 No.92247

>>92246

It is almost like he's a classical liberal 'er somethin'.


 No.92260

File: e52dcd3a13d8d85⋯.jpg (447.05 KB, 800x800, 1:1, 1539889237381.jpg)

>Chauvinist

>Totalitarian

is incompatible with

>laissez-faire

Reminder that the state is getting so gigantic that monopoly within the legal system and within international trade is considered consistent with a free market.


 No.92270

File: 39ac956974ea3c0⋯.png (219.25 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, lwj.png)

I'm not entirely sure how I got 19% communism. If I had to guess, I would say it was the questions on union behavior like mass strikes being assigned as "communist" somehow, things which I naturally support since they're free and autonomous social organization, the exact functional unit of a free market. It might have also assigned "A good policy is a pragmatic policy without ideology." a commie score?

If you hit "absolutely agree" to everything you get an exactly even 50-50 split in every stat, but there were only a few questions even vaguely related to communism, so I'm not sure.

Neat test, though. It nailed the fancy little badges ("anarchist" and "pragmatic").


 No.92276

File: af1b34e5b95b5fe⋯.png (8.83 KB, 669x221, 669:221, Capture.PNG)

>look at test

>first question

This is why 99% of political values quizzes are trash. They give out these non sequitur, denotative statements in place of questions, then try to make assumptions about what you believe from your reaction to a factual statement. The only correct answer to this question is "agree," because it's practically a tautology–society is by definition made up of individuals, so obviously it must follow that a change in the individual will induce a change in society. That's not the correct question to ask, the correct question is "Given that individuals can change society, the correct course of action is….". But because that's not the question being asked, but this shitty non-sequitur instead, the testee is forced to assume that his reaction to this indisputable statement will affect his final score. The immediate reaction to this thought is to start playing mind games with the author, trying to decide how he thinks certain kinds of people will respond to this, e.g. does he think that only those who desire to control the direction of "society" will select the first option? Political tests should only ask the following:

>what are your ideals

>what is the correct policy response to issue X

Anything else is a cheap attempt at pop psychology and not conducive to producing accurate results.


 No.92277

>>92276

This.


 No.92278

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File: 89bd70ae9e375e6⋯.png (211.65 KB, 682x1018, 341:509, screenshot.png)

>>92276

>>92277

Or this one, "outsourcing is a necessary evil." I don't think outsourcing is an evil at all, I've got no problems with sweatshops giving me cheap products, but where's the button for that? Anyways, here are my results for what it's worth. Not sure how I got 7% commie, I did my best to actively avoid commie answers. The small bit of internationalism isn't surprising, because muh free trade.

Also,

>Some sectors or type of employment should be financially supported

Can someone explain to me what this is supposed to mean? Does it mean public financial support, ie subsidy? Does it mean some sectors shouldn't have any kind of financial support at all, ie do work for free? Was this shitty test written with Google translate?


 No.92281

>>92278

forgot flag.


 No.93432

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File: 3612328517f9acb⋯.png (217.88 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, politiscale.png)

Libertarian Capitalist. Also Ayn Rand was right, and racists should fuck off.


 No.93433

I'm a Biblical Creationist Fundamental Christian.

As far as politics and economics go, I take the Libertarian, Conservative, Free-Market Capitalist position.


 No.93435

>>93432

Can someone explain to a non-burger how Cruz was any worse than the orange kike.


 No.93438

>>92198

>Want free market

>Wants totalitarian regime

You can't have it both you dumb fascist fag

>>93435

He isn't, poltard. In fact Cruz was better pick, he was actual conservative and not dumb natsoc.


 No.93439

>>93432

>legislated equality vs legislated morality

But they're the same thing.


 No.93441

>>93438

>he thinks I'm a polnigger


 No.93446

>>93435

Less likeable. Regardless of policies, fundamentalist Dominionist Christian types just come off as weird to the average American, and it would have been far more difficult for him to win. Also, back in the days of the primary it looked like Trump would have been more isolationist than Cruz, which made him more appealing. Obviously that idea's been blown out of the water now, but hindsight is 20/20.

>>93438

>Trump

>natsoc

Don't be a retard anon.


 No.93508

>>93439

not really


 No.93526

>>92278

They're pretty non-specific, so an ancap answer can be considered commie to them if it's non-economic and usually considered a leftie stance.

Also, I think they mean subsidies, as normans think in terms of statism.


 No.93532

>>92198

Capital Facism? fascism is socialism and those values are more accurate for a nomad tribe.


 No.93538

>>93508

Yes really


 No.93548

>>93532

>fascism is socialism

No. It's not. Mostly for the same reason that Marxism and Marxism-Leninism aren't socialism.


 No.93549

File: 1b9b294746bd6d1⋯.png (69.39 KB, 460x760, 23:38, real socialism flowchart.png)


 No.93557

>>93549

>Gets booted out of the International, literally on the basis that NazCap is not socialism

<That's socialism!

>Enters Russia months after a successful revolution to overthrow it and implement, in his words, capitalism

<That's socialism!

>Decides to admit it's not socialism, decides to call it Fascism instead.

<That's socialism!

>Is actually socialism

<That's capitalism!

You folks are a little… odd. Your flowchart would work a LOT better if you switch the "Yes" and "No" on question two, though.


 No.93561

>>93548

> Marxism and Marxism-Leninism aren't socialism.

Ok that's the first I've heard of that. Is the previous form of socialism that existed before Marx the true socialism?


 No.93562

>>93557

>nazcap!

>nazcap!

>it wasn't real socialism it was actually capitalism!

Get help, schizo.


 No.93574

>>93561

Pretty much. It was a range - the more Christian-influenced sects tended towards extreme edenist utopianism ("abandon all material posessions and get back to the land"), while proudhon, or the Rochdale group, or the Owenites tended towards business economics by mutual consensus…

…but yeah. Everyone who Marx didn't "purge" left him to hang out with everyone he did. Full-fledged booted and ditched from the reconvened International, which regathered at St. Imiers. Similarly, it's open and historical fact that Lenin only entered Russia several months after the Socialist Revolutionary party won the civil war, and the vote… and only to attack it.

It caused a bit of damage along the way; Kropotkin's ever-famous "bread book" is basically an obvious attempt to goad Marx into this kind of disturbing, all-consuming codependence without the hallmark of his demans, which were later rephrased by Mussolini I believe as "nothing outside the state." (Which is also what makes it NazCap; it has a CEO and a working class). Lenin turning this shit into something with financing… did not help, and these wreckers are still running around /left(y)pol/ discussing how workers self-management is "bourgeoise" and "private property." Literally. Communism, conversely, is simply applying free-market theory to Locke's "conservation of matter, man, and wealth is created by change in form!" property theory; "free replicator-button," basically… (or open manufacturing).

To date, Proudhon-esque socialist movements are the economic powerhouse, comprising about 10% of the world's largest banks, a sizeable chunk of the housing and insurance markets, the world's largest investment house, and various and sundry other matters. Edenist-style movements appear to be very little of the economic powerhouse of modern socialism; "abandon all posessions" apparently encourages little. Freecycling (the gift economy comes from these guys) captures a sizeable amount of the market, though, and I suspect a lot of rural farming and nature photographers are signifigantly affected by the "drop out and grow vegetables/get back to nature" bits, so it might actually be generating millions to billions in economic activity, ironically. Maybe even more. Arctic indigenous socialism is sort of in-between, but leaning towards the "proudhonesque" wing in recent times, making the US civil war a socialism-versus-bosses-and-workers battle, and the pirate democracies displayed a working socialist military under this model.

Pages could also be written about the relationship between M/ML and the actual left - m'catalonia, m'ukraine, m'krondstadt….

It sometimes helps to remember the "wings" in the french revolution; vertical rulers on the right, the people on the left. Proudhon-esque wings of socialism are a bit to the left of classical liberalism, which is WAY to the left of late-stage "capitalism." Edenist wings like the beghards and the diggers… they're to the left of reality, but awesome. Stalinism… is to the right of Hitler. That's not terribly socialist; looking up the details of the Rochdale cooperatives or building societies (or even a barn-raising) would be a bit closer to on-point.


 No.93577

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>>93574

>Communism, conversely, is simply applying free-market theory to Locke's "conservation of matter, man, and wealth is created by change in form!" property theory


 No.93582

>>93577

Yup. Here…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_library

…have some communism. Nobody is excluded from the means of production, and people organize themselves!


 No.93584

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>>93582

Daily reminder that if unautharitarian leftists had a brain they'd not be leftists, and becoming authoritarian is a natural progression of their views.


 No.93585

>>93584

That pic was almost lolworthy, but no, 'social welfare' is not on the list.


 No.93588

>>93585

It is, you either supply this welfare from your own resources and so can act within ancap or you rob other people to "distribute" stuff like a scummy leftist you are.


 No.93619

>>93588

>It is

Nope.


 No.93622


 No.93625

>>93619

I find it absolutely hilarious how that poster thinks that credit unions exist to hand out welfare checks.

Kind of explains a lot of history. "Here's some crap gibs!" "This isn't socialism." "What do you mean no true socialism WAAAAH." Seriously all the dynamics of a domestic abuser, and about the listening skills.

And then they point at… themselves!


 No.93671

>>93625

Kind of doesn't matter; they were able to bumpslide a conversation outside their spam campaign off the thread.

They don't have to believe in what they're saying.


 No.93773

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>>92198

>Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a men

>not a men

Nice gatekeeping, fuckhead.




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