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File: aa0f94ba6461d72⋯.jpg (329.51 KB, 1200x794, 600:397, 1521779293210.jpg)

 No.92706

In your ideal nation, who would have voting privileges?

 No.92717

Only men.


 No.92718

Nobody.


 No.92722

This is /liberty/. Only Kenyan albino nergoes with only one arm (the left one) and an eyepatch (over the right eye) named Monica Rothbard would have voting privileges in my ideal nation.


 No.92734

File: 9005151b729ef9a⋯.jpg (81.05 KB, 750x523, 750:523, are we comfy yet.jpg)

>>92722

Unironically this.


 No.92736

File: 179f7b90c5adb49⋯.jpg (34.38 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, hoppe.jpg)

>>92706

Nobody


 No.92738

File: 24adcc3e0ebbf2c⋯.png (1.33 MB, 1190x1194, 595:597, Violence has Escalated.png)

>In your ideal nation, who would have voting privileges?

No one. There wouldn't even be a state for any voting to be done.


 No.92739

Whoever's holding the conch at the time.


 No.92743

>>92706

No one. But if I had to go with a state that has voting, I'd want one where you get more votes depending on such factors as military service, general education, property ownership and so on. A father of five who was wounded in war and then went on to get his PhD would then have seven votes or more, a semi-literate prostitute would have only one, at best. (I think you deserve an extra vote for being married, and for raising children, as that increases your stake in how well the state is run, and besides, we don't want to give a faggot like Keynes more votes than we have to, do we?)

Not that it's a good scheme, but it is much better than our current democracy, where said professor and the prostitute both have the same impact during an election.

As for whether women should vote, I see no problem with it if votes are unequal. If they decide to stay home more often instead of pursuing a career, and cannot enter the military (except, at most, in support roles), then you won't have the same problem we have now, or to a lesser degree. A women who owns property and has PhD will probably vote similar to a man in the same circumstances.


 No.92747

>>92743

Why not just auction off political offices?


 No.92750

>>92747

Well, plutocraty is still no good. Although I can see this auctioning working sometimes. If two comparably rich guys want to have an office, and neither is obviously too retarded for it, then you can just as well give it to the guy who is willing to pay more for it.

Alternatively, allocate no budget whatsoever, so that every politician must pay for his policies out of his own pocket. I didn't think that through, I just find the idea pretty funny.


 No.92753

>>92743

It goes without saying, but it's still very flawed, even if you do get the best electorate and even if they do make the best decisions, there is still never one good decision for everyone, and broad criteria like that don't take context and small details into account, like for example the woman being a widow and working as a prostitute to pay for her 5 children to survive, because socialism forces people to choose the best out of the worst decisions, and that's the only way to make decent money in the socialist shithole that she lives in.


 No.92755

>>92753

>Whore wahmen and her niglet children deserve a voice and special treatment because they're oppressed

Fuck off leftist.


 No.92758

File: 29ca4621dd773e1⋯.gif (1.95 MB, 512x288, 16:9, 3336e42e1c6eab5f87fdaa669d….gif)

>>92755

Shit, you got me. Ok, I'm fucking off back to /trannypol/.


 No.92766

The Working Class


 No.92774

>>92766

The moment you enter into government you relinquish any "working" status. The State does not work, nor do the people who get favors from it.


 No.92813

I actually like Starship Troopers vision. Where the government is mostly libertarian so it largely doesn't affect civilians. So only active members of the military/police can vote. All political offices have to be attained through service and would essentially be a form of military rank.

However, in our current political system in the USA every tax paying citizen should be able to vote. So that almost means no illegal immigrants can vote. Also I think if you immigrate here you shouldn't be able to vote right away. Possibly a two term wait, you have to pay into the system before you can abuse it type mentality. So that would be up an eight year wait.


 No.92864

>>92739

Well, you see how well THAT turned out


 No.92870

Who wants to shill integralism/civic nationalism on /fascist/ with me? BO approves but the users hate it


 No.92876

>>92870

>shilling CivNat

Even just as shitposting that sounds cancerous as fuck


 No.92882

File: dfdc94bed133930⋯.jpg (1.36 MB, 1280x1891, 1280:1891, fascist.jpg)

>>92870

Although I'd love to fuck around with those niggers any day, when you talk about:

>shilling for civnat

Who the fuck do you think we are? You're probably a provocateur from /fascist/ yourself.


 No.92927

>>92774

Beuracrats within a goverment are still working class since they earn a Wage / Salary through labor and do not profit from producuction in any way

I'm surprised I have to explain this to both Left and Right/post-Left Anarchists


 No.92970

>>92927

Read a book.


 No.92974

File: ba4641fdee349b3⋯.webm (839.6 KB, 480x320, 3:2, anti pedos btfo - girls s….webm)

>>92882

Thatanalogy is completely wrong, the girl is not into femdom.


 No.92990

>>92736

/monarchy/ , so to speak.


 No.93004

>>92927

>Beuracrats within a goverment are still working class

Sure, if you include welfare queens as members of the working class


 No.93014

File: ea27e96bd734b9a⋯.png (173.57 KB, 783x768, 261:256, 1521151922247.png)

>>92974

That sounds like consent to me

>ANCAP INTENSIFIES


 No.93016

>>93014

Does it now? Try posting it on /b/ or /sudo/ or /asmr/ or /tv/…


 No.93118

>>92970

Not an Arguement

>>93004

We'll obviously an Anarchist will believe that any form of goverment Beuracratic position is unesscary and is not needed

But to someone who still believes in the idea of a state in the short term it is a Neccesity that the goverment has the ability to perform certain functions


 No.93124

>>92743

>(I think you deserve an extra vote for being married, and for raising children

Incentivizing marriage does not work. Just lo9ok at what it does to the military.


 No.93232

Women can't be trusted to vote. Neither can non-military men. Too much soy. My ideal society would be libertarian economics and social policies, with the exception of an abortion ban, highly discriminatory immigration polices, and only vets get to vote. The book Starship Troopers got alot of things right.


 No.93299

>>92706

The Pope would have absolute authority.


 No.93303

>>93232

That's how vets would become a ruling class, with any moron joining the military and destroying that country's capability for anything. Any form of democracy creates weakness. A Hoppean covenant would solve the immigration issue, and if abortion wouldn't already be banned in general in a free society (which I'm pretty sure it would), the same covenant would fix that as well.


 No.93309

>>93232

The problem with Starship Troopers is that it assumes the military would continue to be the military, with the same entrance requirements and duties at any point in time. But all that would happen in this instance is that the ruling politicians would lower requirements so that any idiot could get in (or better yet, so only the people who support them get in). We can see this shit happening to the US military as it's gotten politicized, and that's even without the implication of service being tied to the franchise. Democracy in any form is shit, trying to limit suffrage will, at best, just slow down the rot.


 No.93312

>>92706

Your mom.


 No.93316

File: fcb7cda2dc96875⋯.png (91.81 KB, 461x630, 461:630, ss wojak nazi.png)

>>92706

Men older than 22, with healthy amounts of test, and IQ above [adult male average + 10]. Those are also the only types who can own full auto pistols and guns bigger than pistols.

Reminder that non-whites can't be man.


 No.93317

>>92743

Almost every teacher is a leftist. Remember that.

>>92774

>goverment is ALWAYS evil

>goverment is not an organization that can be ruled by people, such as good men or kikes, but an EVIL ENTITY

>corporations are different tho

This is your mind on low-functioning autism.

>>93316

And that's the short version! There's also propriety ownership, military service, job, etc.


 No.93339

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>>93316

>[adult male average + 10]

Holy fuck, /pol/ has the lowest standards.


 No.93340

>>93317

>I don't know what incentives are or how they work, the post


 No.93341

File: 3cb779b1ff58c53⋯.jpg (285.81 KB, 600x845, 120:169, 1520225425832.jpg)

>>93317

Corporations are forced to work through the market, they cannot do anything without consent. Government and government-supported corporations operate on theft and initiation of aggression. Government is evil by its very nature.

>the end justifies the means

>the good people in government aren't just using their good reputation to cover for all the other kikes

>it's different from a gang of bandits tho

This is your mind on leftism.


 No.93348

>>93339

>ignoring all the other things

>>93341

>Corporations are forced to work through the market, they cannot do anything without consent.

I may as well stop reading there.

>>the end justifies the means

It does.

>>the good people in government aren't just using their good reputation to cover for all the other kikes

>good people are not actually good lol

>>it's different from a gang of bandits tho

It's no different from corporations. In your NPC mind corporations = good and Gubermin = bad with no logic behind it.

I know who put those anarchist rethorics in your head, but i'd like to know what media they used this time.

>anime

lmao every time


 No.93356

File: 4635409a5740d7c⋯.png (29.27 KB, 640x480, 4:3, le_third_pos.png)

>>93348

>It's no different from corporations.

> In your NPC mind corporations = good and Gubermin = bad with no logic behind it.

>all this projection


 No.93388

File: 5d23ca0e8ebca92⋯.gif (1.69 MB, 500x279, 500:279, 5d23ca0e8ebca925fa2e168480….gif)

>>93348

>It's no different from corporations. In your NPC mind corporations = good and Gubermin = bad with no logic behind it.

>t. fascist, aka corporatist

No one thinks corporations are good. In your gullible, [adult male average + 10] IQ mind, ancap is just corporation worship, while the government is magic, and it can solve all your problems if you sacrifice your body and soul to it, and the people you will put in charge have no other interest than making you rich and happy. Bugmanus maximus.

>I know who put those anarchist rethorics in your head, but i'd like to know what media they used this time.

It was the Japs, and they used anime and anime memes. I want every country to be as beautiful and as free as Japan, and this is only possible by freeing the markets, not by giving a gang of bandits more reasons to beat you up.


 No.93411

>>93388

Wait is Japan really that much of a free market economy? I thought they did some fuckery with their central bank.


 No.93413

File: 65001e43a89a271⋯.png (673.55 KB, 800x450, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>93411

They ran a Keynesian program after World War 2 and then central bankers pumped and dumped the economy in the 80s for profit. Japanese workers are slaves to their employers for life, the economy is dominated by multi-generational corporate oligarchs, and the country is enslaved to the world's largest debt-to-GDP ratio. It's why so many commit suicide or become NEETs.


 No.93416

>>92706

Anyone who willing to pay taxes which would be voluntary.

>>92743

Sounds like monarchy…on way to French revolution 2.0!


 No.93417

>>93413

> Japanese workers are slaves to their employers for life, the economy is dominated by multi-generational corporate oligarchs, and the country is enslaved to the world's largest debt-to-GDP ratio. It's why so many commit suicide or become NEETs.

Even worse, after the 90's crash finding stable job become harder so you to part time. Not to mention women can no longer be housewives at this current state and it's hard, if no impossible for married women after giving birth finding stable job


 No.93427

Nordcucks lmao

The MED BULL is god ultimate creation.He built us to be strong,intelligent and beautiful.

The MED BULL is the biggest creator in the history.They created the biggest most famous empire: Roman Empire,when the empire was created the beginning of what we call Western Civilization was born.

Mediterraneans are also the biggest defenders of Europe.These BULLS defended Europe from hordes of Muslims numerous times.

They are responsible for the philosophy,mathematic and many other.The pioneers of navigation are also the Mediterranean people.They made the discovery of the American continent.

Mediterranean people are probably the epitome of humanity




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