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File: 91bae02b10320b6⋯.png (362.28 KB, 765x320, 153:64, redrainbow2.png)

 No.142

General thread for books and reading.

Post pdfs, articles, reviews, questions, and recommendations here.

 No.144

Opinions on Althusser? Never read him but he seems to have been a big influence on Wolff


 No.173

File: bac5319f3dca830⋯.pdf (7.08 MB, Not in Our Genes - Steven ….pdf)

Here's a book dunking on race realists. It does some interpretation of what the science really implies, but is mostly about the ideology of biological determinism.


 No.174

File: 27e23e513b44501⋯.pdf (12.76 MB, Difference & Repetition - ….pdf)


 No.176

File: cee5ea21dcfa36f⋯.pdf (1.33 MB, hansgeorg-backhaus-on-the-….pdf)


 No.186

>>176

Nice. Isn't this the person who came up with the entire "value form" school of thought?


 No.203

Only board owner and volunteers may make threads on this board. "CAPS ONLY"

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.208

>>203

why is /pol/ obsessed with interracial porn…?


 No.217

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>>208

maybe this has the answers


 No.242

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Would anyone be interested in a book club?


 No.244

>>242

They burned out on /left(y)pol/ before. IMO it coincided more than a bit with trying to move toward longer texts.


 No.245

You jewish traitor.


 No.246

>>244

The book club was a good idea. Many of the nominated texts were odd reading material for a book club since they included a lot of unfinished manuscripts or works not meant for the general public. (Ex. "God and the State" and "Critique of the Gotha Program"). Capitalist Realism was a let-down because I didn't like Mark Fisher's writing style and the signal-to-noise ratio was too low. He should have condensed the book into a 10 page paper. I guess the title was the only thing I liked about the book.

Starting a new book club is a worthwhile project but I'm afraid for the moment we don't have the numbers to make it work well.


 No.247

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>>244

Tbh it seemed there wasn't much activity to begin with. The discussion for capitalist realism ended up being more a fight about sjws than an admittedly underwhelming book and most threads were lucky to break 10 posts. I think at the point the book club came around we were in a stage where /leftpol/ wasn't interested in discussing literature.

>>246

>Many of the nominated texts were odd reading material for a book club since they included a lot of unfinished manuscripts or works not meant for the general public.

I don't think that's a problem per se, but perhaps "reading club" would be more technically appropriate.

>Starting a new book club is a worthwhile project but I'm afraid for the moment we don't have the numbers to make it work well

We can make it work with single digits, they just have to show up and talk. I don't know if that's possible on 8chan now, but I would like to try because at the moment I have nothing better to do and the other left boards here are boring and dumb.


 No.321

Waving in my shit to say a reading group would be good with a solid outline of texts that follow a clear structure (a not-to-long reading list)


 No.324

>>321

i agree that some kind of structure to follow might be an improvement over the old voting system.

maybe have people familiar with certain texts compile short reading lists of worthwhile items to read, rather than letting people vote on random texts that no one is familiar with. it would be VERY helpful if the compiler of the list could also write a short summary explaining the context of the piece.

Also, rather than assigning long books we could assign specific chapters that contain a key idea or something.


 No.369

>>324

>>321

I would suggest using some basic intro texts to get some major ideas explained and then build off those. Ideally we'd have something that you could give to a person who knows zero about socialist theory and redpill them. This would be good for us too because we should know how to talk about the basics so we can explain our ideas to normies.

Capital isn't as hard to read as some people say. It's just fucking long. I don't know about pulling chapters from that because it's laid out so the ideas build on each other. A good book usually works like that.


 No.372

>>324

Chapter assignation according to a predefined reading structure sounds sensible so long as it develops towards a greater understanding. A university level reading list for an introduction to Marxism may serve this purpose. Outlines can be written for the week ahead.

>>369

Introductory readings which flesh out specific chapters of Capital or small pieces from a broader set of Marx's writings would provide the confidence to move towards a deeper independent reading.

Selecting material according to what we want from this group sound sensible. The initial list does not need to be large, perhaps five or six weeks at most.

As an example recommendation and for somewhere (for us) to begin:

https://www.amazon(dot)com/Marx-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192854054


 No.401

>>372

>recommending something you haven't read yourself

It's very short. At the very least you could look at what he says on the last few pages. Peter Singer is a utilitarian dork philosopher who wrote that book in the 70s, he wasn't a Marxist or Marx expert back then and he isn't one now.

Quote from this work: "Marx asserts that all profit arises from the extraction of surplus-value from living labour; machines, raw materials, and other forms of capital cannot generate profit, though they can increase the amount of surplus-value extracted. This seems obviously wrong. Future capitalists will not find their profits drying up as they dismiss the last workers from their newly automated factories." This is mixing up micro and macro. Marx never claimed that some capitalists can't make a big profit that way, his argument was about where profit in total, for the capitalist class as a whole, comes from.

There is also the usual wisdom in there about how communism can't work because we will never have total abundance and people are selfish.


 No.403

>>401

Point taken; the idea behind the recommendation was that it represented a given wisdom most will have already encountered.

Do you have a following suggestion?


 No.452

What topics would people like to read about?

I'd like to read about:

- Fundamental ideas of Marxist thought

- Lesser-known Marxist/Communist thinkers

- History of the USSR

- Utopian Socialism (Robert Owen and other reformers)

>>403

there are a lot of introductory books for Marxism but many of them are crap. The Marx-Engels Reader by Robert C. Tucker is pretty good but it's more like a 'selected works' than an intro text. I haven't read Wolff's latest book so i can't say whether it's decent or not.


 No.478

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>>321

Libcom has some decent reading lists, if somewhat lacking.

https://libcom.org/library/libcomorg-reading-guide

https://libcom.org/library/libcom-further-reading-guides

>>369

>I would suggest using some basic intro texts to get some major ideas explained and then build off those. Ideally we'd have something that you could give to a person who knows zero about socialist theory and redpill them. This would be good for us too because we should know how to talk about the basics so we can explain our ideas to normies.

That goes beyond reading and into discussion and communication. The former can be handled well on a board, the latter is probably a poor place to look to a place as autistic as 8chan for.

>Capital isn't as hard to read as some people say. It's just fucking long.

If anyone here hasn't read it by now read Ruhle's abridgment first then go back and read the entire thing when you have time.

>>452

>What topics would people like to read about?

Stuff that isn't the greatest hits of reading lists and clubs, I've read most of that already. Situationists, Councilcoms, and social anarchists circa 1880s-1940s (it's a damn shame how much isn't translated into english) are currently of particular interest to me.


 No.748

bump.

we doin this?


 No.757

>>748

also bumpin'


 No.758

File: a832de9b436d8d4⋯.pdf (13.46 MB, John_Bellamy_Foster-Marx's….pdf)

File: 73ba77beac6dd42⋯.pdf (893.29 KB, Paul_Burkett_Marx_and_Natu….pdf)

Take the red-green pill, read some books on ecological Marxism.


 No.761

Is Bordiga worth reading or is it just a dead meme?


 No.762

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>>761

Bordiga is interesting if you want to learn about debates in the early Comintern and USSR.

>The birth of a faction shows that something is wrong. To remedy the ill, it is necessary to seek out the historical causes which gave birth to the anomaly, and which determined the formulation or tendency to form the faction in question. The causes lie in the ideological and political errors of the party. The factions are not the sickness, but merely the symptom, and if one wishes to treat the sick organism, one must not combat the symptoms but try to discover the causes of the sickness. Besides, in most cases what was involved was groups of comrades who were making no attempt to create an organisation or anything of the kind. What was involved were currents of opinion, tendencies, which sought to express themselves in the normal, regular and collective activity of the party. The method of faction-hunting, scandal campaigns, police surveillance and mistrust of comrades — methods which, in reality, represents the worst factionalism developing in the higher levels of the party — can only result in worsening the situation of our movement and pushing all objective criticism onto the path of factionalism. Such methods cannot ensure the inner unity of the party, they only paralyse it and render it impotent.


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 No.844

File: 472a477896dae78⋯.jpg (73.43 KB, 530x800, 53:80, ME86_11_212 neobabylonian ….jpg)

Alright, I'm going to volunteer my time to develop some kind of leftist book club. I think 3 hours a week should be sufficient to gather materials, provide a short summary and/or commentary, and maybe work on a special format where I record audio to discuss the reading.




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