Since last one is at bumplimit and we can't have STD staying on top.
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After the Pictionary scene
>Gordon: "Sorry again about the Dick Van Dyke one. I didn't know who he was so I was just working with what I had."
I like those lines, Seth knows how to write for that character.
They steered clear of emoji though, bummer. Everything would seem normal when Gordon enters the simulator at first glance, but then Laura speaks and only emoticons come out…
This may be my favourite episode so far, Gordon is great, i just wanted him to have his vintage holographic qt.π waifu, also this is the first episode where i really hated Kelly and Ed, fucking judgemental assholes
Malloy got cucked. Wasn't there a theme, even going back to TNG, of characters getting cucked? The Doctor in Voyager even got cucked by another version of himself.
It was worse. He got dumped and cucked by his holowaifu Not even Geordi suffered this much in his love life.
to be fair, in history she got back together with the guy, Gordon just inserted himself into a story that already existed, the computer was just playing back what happened, its not a true cucking because he couldn't really affect the scenario without changing the programs parameters.
well that's at least how i saw it.
I just realized that Issac wasn't in the episode even in the background. What happen, boys?
Best episode of S2, top 5 of the series overall. Trek would have ended after she got back together with her ex or maybe would have had Gordon make the 'mature' decision and end things: that ending on the other hand is exactly what anyone with half a brain would try it's a simulation, you can control it. Mocclans as usual are great for comedy.
I realised that too. Maybe wasn't around for filming? We've also had two Gordon episodes in a row.
I figured that one out, those guys are retarded
>Mocclans as usual are great for comedy.
So long as they keep their pants on, I thought they'd end up catching the kid hiding the cigarettes and smoking too
>So long as they keep their pants on
I thought the porn stuff was pretty funny too actually.
>I thought they'd end up catching the kid hiding the cigarettes and smoking too
I'm glad they avoided that cliché. They also didn't go for the easy 'she became a successful singer and lived a long and happy life, here's a photo of her at 90 years old' ending which was also good.
>'she became a successful singer and lived a long and happy life, here's a photo of her at 90 years old'
> Gordon looks up historical records, finds out 10 days after putting her phone in capsule, she was mowed down by Somali hijacked bus
> Gordon goes to simulator for some FPS mosque cleansing
I think the best one in that scene was mercer and trishas interaction.
"Its gotta be 2300 hours"
"Ooo military time is that some kindof hipster thing?" Lolsoquirky.exe
"No Trisha, its not" hitdustytrail.bat
Perfect delivery. Best laugh of the ep IMHO
Just finished watching S2 up until present, I'd held off until now since I wanted to watch season premier with my father. It seemed like the last thread had very "meh" reactions to the first part of the season, any particular reason for that? The only episode I thought was truly bad was the astrology one, just too many contrivances there.
I think it's the small silence and Mercer's look that make that dialogue priceless.
> It seemed like the last thread had very "meh" reactions to the first part of the season, any particular reason for that?
Too much character/relationship/soap opera shit not enough classic trek light science fiction.
What >>30438 said
This latest one though is surprisingly good. It's a fucking holodeck episode that werkz and I have no idea how to describe it cause I likely have autism and like to lick dogs.
>I have no idea how to describe it cause I likely have autism and like to lick dogs.
It was a less retarded version of the Voyager episode were Janeway fucks the Irish hologram.
Fair enough. But as crimes go, spending too much time fleshing out characters is far from the most egregious.
True. This time the "delete the wife" has a consequence and the crew cares about Gordon. It wasn't the case on VOY, they didn't care that Janeway was acting like a control freak.
who-has-a-crush-on-who is not the character development I'm after… glad that they did the moclan gay gangbang porn episode the fans have been crying out for, tho. shameful that STD has been slow to tackle the same subject matter in their own customary style, perhaps this will egg them on.
so we're really sticking with this new elf chick? I thought they'd just keep her on until they ran out of scripts that were written for Alara, it's such 80s-tier writing to actually replace her with somebody the-same-but-different. where did Patrick Warburton go, and how does he keep from getting his esophagus hooked on stuff?
>It's a fucking holodeck episode that werkz and I have no idea how to describe it cause I likely have autism and like to lick dogs.
It's because they actually thought through the consequences and how an actually flawed i.e. normal human, not a TNG 'paragon of advanced federation humanity' would act and feel. TNG's crew are the flagship of an almost unrealistically perfect society. The Orville's crew are an average selection of normal humans. You can't do a good feels episode when the characters' only flaws are 'drinks a bit too much tea'.
Also there were a lot of subtle nods to previous trek episodes.
>This time the "delete the wife" has a consequence
Trek has always been uneven with that. The EMH is underexplored really and DS9 touched on the idea of deeper holodeck characters but then just used it to continuously and annoyingly insert the writers' favourite fucking singer OC donut steal.
Fleshing out characters is fine but that's something you do as a side plot to the actual stories you're telling.
I gotta admit I kinda wish they had kept patrick. Having an annoying but relatable (as apposed to the moclans annoying and unrelatable) would have been a good bridge dynamic. Could have also shown that he has some chops in combat that means he actualled earned his previous captains hardon for him. (Could also give Bortus a foil that isn't just "you're so not human sensibilities").
Maybe in season 3?
That said the sci-fi has been here this season but it seems to be about 1 in 3 episodes. hopefully they are working on something to wow after sportsball week.
>It was a less retarded version of the Voyager episode were Janeway fucks the Irish hologram.
I'm actually starting to like the whole "take an interesting idea that Office Trek tried to do but completely fucked up, and try to do it better" thing that Orville has going. And I suspect that a lot of Trek production alums working on Orville feel the same way.
>It was a less retarded version of the Voyager episode were Janeway fucks the Irish hologram.
A lot less retarded.
Does anyone here ever wonder if the potato nigger hologram did what a good potato nigger would do and beat the shit out of Janeway?
>"take an interesting idea that Office Trek tried to do but completely fucked up, and try to do it better"
Are there any examples of such beyond the most recent episode? Granted I don't remember a whole lot of Voyager.
Seleyans have some similarities to Vulcans but without autism—higher gravity levels, reputation for intelligence and logic, and pointy ears. Tuvok and Alara are both members of a big-brain race that for whatever reason chose to do grunt work. With Tuvok this is never explored in any capacity although we may speculate if it has anything to do with his melanin, and he's just a Vulcan like any other. With Alara, the show talks about how she's considered retarded by Seleyan standards, and chose to go into Union security because she's of regular intellect by human standards. On Seleya she has no real job prospects.
Although like you, I find it hard to remember VOY filler episodes, so I can't make any other connections.
Tuvok volunteered to serve as part of a Science experiment examining the nature of a human vessel run by a bipolar tyrant. In an alternative future this drove him insane as he was not taken out of the simulation in time.
Not exactly plots but:
Dropping transporters altogether was a great idea that officially-licensed Trek could never get away with. Their handling of the prime directive also (mostly) makes a lot more sense. Their resident android not being decades-old manmade tech also resolves a lot of awkward questions.
I was kind of annoyed that they just made the Seleyans into a generic utopia future planet with hi tech towers everywhere instead of designing structures and interiors around the idea of a planet with massive gravity. I mean screw the seleyans themselves, everybody in the galaxy should be after the magic super metals they must have built those skyscrapers or incredibly flimsy looking knick knacks out of.
Seleya made me laugh - an interplanetary union where diversity is our strength and the nicest planet is the one where only the people who evolved there can live.
>where diversity is our strength
Is it though? I don't think we've heard that particular brand of virtue-signaling yet on the show, and unlike TOS, there aren't even any half-breed crewmembers.
I hope they treat interspecies breeding as being impossible, another thing official Trek can't fix
Why doesn't their hair flatten to their heads under high-G? Are the blades of grass really strong enough to stand up? I'm actually glad they don't even bother, being a "parody" means they can ignore this autistic stuff at their discretion.
2 more weeks to wait.
The Union is described as diverse but in terms of cultures. They promote tolerance, they don't force each member to accept the other cultures (see the Seleyans for example).
Ed seems to be critical of the Union, I remember at least 2 times where he admitted that the Moclan culture is way too different than theirs.
It's already been established that Moclans and Seleyans can't breed each other, so we're on the right track in that regard.
Right, that's what I was getting at.
Been busy with other stuff so catching up with this now.
Laura's actress, Leighton Meester has mostly appeared in CW stuff like Gossip Girls and shows like that. She's really good in this though.
>Dad was in construction. Built space stations.
Heh. Gorden slipping up is pretty good.
>Him texting Laura Alpha.
A fool and his dream. And while pleasant, a fool he remains. And he invited them to the party, bad move.
Doc should write a paper about this. Interesting case study.
That's pretty funny.
Fug man, I think this might be my favorite episode. The awkwardness of Gorden as he goes into the simulation further, Laura is a qt and the side story of the Moclans and Nicotine was pretty funny. This level of quality seems so easy for the Orville to pull off, that when they do a weaker one you have to question what went wrong with it.
Laura also reminds me of when the Mother was eventually introduced into HIMYM, in that they casted the perfect actress who goes past your expectations of how they are that you can't help but be enamoured by them.
>Dropping transporters altogether was a great idea that officially-licensed Trek could never get away with.
You're damn right. The Orville's production team has an incredible advantage: a clean slate. They don't need to worry about half a century of nitpicky canon.
The more i watch the more i think that was a concious decision. One doesnt have to go far to see fans of ST complaining about plot holes and lapses in canon. It seems the hot button issues IE transporters/how do they work? Have been left out entirely.
I thought it was obvious, no? Especially considering that Season 1 episode which had transporters as future tech. The writers (and likely McFarlane himself) clearly saw that the transporters were the most magical thing in the old shows, and did away with them for integrity's sake.
And they made a point of letting us know that they do infact have toilets.
>And they made a point of letting us know that they do infact have toilets.
The lost DS9 episode featured O'Brien locked in the head the entire episode after spicy hasperat.
Transporters were originally introduced because it was too expensive to show shuttles traveling to the surface of a planet. On Orville, we a scene like that every other episode.
Oh, I know that. The entire conflict in Enemy Within could have been circumvented with a shuttlecraft.
Yeah I didn't think I was blowing anybody's mind with that truthbomb but it still seemed worth mentioning. I've enjoyed watching them fly over CGI planets instead of beaming in front of a matte painting.
Soooo in the episode with Bortus' degenerate ex-boyfriend, I take it that:
1) It was written with Alara in mind, as another instance of her poor luck with boyfriends. Also, Seth's onscreen fursona got cucked, might as well have his irl gf get MOCLANED.
2) The original ending *must* have been that the straight pervert moclan actually killed himself, suicide by hologram . Everything implied that, the dialog was leading in that direction, it would've had more emotional impact, and would've made more sense in general than what we have now. I wouldn't be surprised if this got changed in post and they had to re-film scenes, it's way too awkward.
They remade Best of Both Worlds, decent job and all but I can't say they "fixed" it.
>Laura also reminds me of when the Mother was eventually introduced into HIMYM, in that they casted the perfect actress who goes past your expectations of how they are that you can't help but be enamoured by them.
I know what you mean. My first thought also.
You gotta take a skeptical eye to these little nuggets that handwave HUGELY IMPORTANT elements of the setting with some pseudo-explanation.
Everything feeds back into itself and sci-fi was already a mature medium by the 60s, so it wasn't merely a budgetary consideration when they decided to introduce a virtually godlike technology like that.
It's not that it's untrue that they didn't want to do shuttle FX for every single planet, but it's intellectually lazy to stop thinking there, which is basically what you're trying to do with this post.
Even if it was a 100% production decision in TOS (it definitely wasn't), the philosophical implication on the rest of the setting is the thing that Orville makes a point of eschewing.
>the philosophical implication on the rest of the setting is the thing that Orville makes a point of eschewing.
To be fair, how often did Trek really exploit the philosophical implications of transporters to the fullest? Where's the episode that acknowledges the fact that everyone who steps into a transporter dies and is rebuilt as a copy on the other side? The only character who even comes close to touching upon this is Barclay, but he's dismissed as being borderline crazy for not just taking the magic teleportation device at face value, and worrying about the greater implications. When the transporter created a duplicate of Riker, where did TNG look into the greater implications of a device that can instantaneously create identical duplicates of people? That episode didn't focus on the magic, godlike abilities of the transporter, it was just a five-minute, handwaved excuse to create a second Riker. or Scotty storing himself in a pattern buffer for over seventy years, there's no exploration of that either. It's just an explanation used to get Scotty to interact with the Enterprise-D crew, and isn't explored further once it's served that purpose. Or the time the transporters created Tuvix. Or that time LaForge and Ro were phase-cloaked. Or the fact that a simple modification of the transporters can send people into the Mirror Universe. Because of this and other handwaves, we're forced to assume that every starship carries machines with a nigh-infinite array of powers, but nobody ever uses them for anything besides saving five minutes' of shuttle flight. Every time they encounter a new godlike power of the transporter, they just catalog it in the ship's logs, make a report to Starfleet, and move on.
Just think about the episodes you could have made if these "accidents" were looked into a little deeper. What if, in the heat of the Dominion War, a Starfleet officer tries to replicate the accident that created Tom Riker, and start creating replicas of the finest soldiers and tacticians in the Alpha Quadrant, so that they might replenish their troops just as quickly as the Jem'Hadar? Or, what if Section 31 (or the Tal Shiar) creates a duplicate of Odo, for the express purpose of torturing the duplicate and uncovering weaknesses of the Founders? What if someone recreated the accident from TOS "Enemy Within", in some ill-fated attempt to create a utopia from only the pacifist half of people, executing the ooga-booga halves immediately after the separation?
The fact of the matter is, you could create an entire show dedicated purely to examining and deconstructing the borderline-Lovecraftian aspects of the transporter. But, because Trek shows seek to explore a far wider degree of subjects than just the magic teleportation device, a lof of these things have to be handwaved away and forgotten after they've served their purpose. That's not exactly bad–those many other subjects are the meat of the show after all, and we would lose a lot of good content by ignoring it in favor of transporters. But, it does require the audience to suspend a not-insignificant amount of disbelief, especially when you have five show's worth of handwaving to consider. By leaving the transporter out of The Orville, the writers are able to prevent this buildup from happening in the first place, making it easier to get into the show while also keeping it internally consistent. Additionally, removing transporters removes a different source of suspension of disbelief–since so many problems could be solved with a teleporter, every other episode needs to render the transporters unusable due to ionic interference, a plasma storm, neutronium bulkheads, or some other counter-MacGuffin. Limiting travel to shuttlecraft makes the tension of away teams much more organic, as it's something that is intrinsic to shuttlecraft, and does not need to be introduced through hand-waving.
I can't read your whole post because I'm too drunk, but I'll come back to it later.
I just want to point out that Star Trek didn't need to personally plough every philosophical avenue themselves–it's pretty clear that the point of the show was planting philosophical seeds, not reaping them.
This makes more sense if you remember that back in the 60s there were only a handful of channels and everyone was fucking watching them–even the lowest-rated show from that time period blows out the highest-rated shows of today by sometimes even an order of fucking magnitude. There was a lot less on TV, and a lot less to talk about, so there was a lot more talking about the ideas that were presented.
My point is, is it necessary for Trek to internally explore those ideas considering that cultural impact? There have been a thousand internet threads about transporters for every… second… a transporter was ever on-screen. I doubt there's a single person reading this who first encountered the concepts around the Ship of Theseus outside the context of Star Trek. If their intent was to communicate those problems, isn't that a clear success?
> but it's intellectually lazy to stop thinking there, which is basically what you're trying to do with this post.
Yeah, I'll dare to be stupid. I don't think the writers really had a plan for mind-body dualism apparently being an accepted scientific fact, either, especially since none of the characters seem to notice, it's just there to make certain plot devices work.
The transporter problem isn't something that would ever pay any dividends to explore, if they settled on the correct answer then at best the fans realize that their favorite characters have been dead for a season, hurray! Besides, don't they explicitly mention retaining consciousness during transport, and that the matter is literally transported, not just copied and rebuilt? For all intents and purposes it's a soul-transporter, the individual who goes in is the same as the one who comes out, they obviously didn't want to deal with it. And you mentioned the duplicated Riker, that episode's just irritating, there's no reason to want more of that.
The point of Star Trek was implanting pathological liberalism while it entertained, not to explore philosophy which had already been thoroughly explored throughout history in less limited mediums than television. Of course this goal may have been of limited success due to the clear fact that decisions of the crew are always wrong and the moral of the episode always stupid (we signed a treaty to hamstring ourselves for the benefit of the romulans [who break the treaty all the time] in good faith!).
>And you mentioned the duplicated Riker, that episode's just irritating, there's no reason to want more of that.
Yeah, exactly. That's why getting rid of transporters is a wise decision–they create a whole lot of narrative baggage with only minimal gain.
>What if, in the heat of the Dominion War, a Starfleet officer tries to replicate the accident that created Tom Riker, and start creating replicas of the finest soldiers and tacticians in the Alpha Quadrant, so that they might replenish their troops just as quickly as the Jem'Hadar?
After Tom Riker went rogue and stole Defiant, Will should have been shipped off to manage a supply depot on an icy moon somewhere as Starfleet would never trust his psychological profile.
I am surprised there was never a show exploring that as a concept.
I continue to the sceptical about this crappy season. Last episode had a lot of potential, beside it being a rip-off from Broccoli's Holo addiction. They could have included things like phones being designed to break after 2 years or that phone companies make it deliberately hard to open up the phone so you can't change the battery, included a lot more of 25th century people ignorant about jobs having to make money and that landlords exist, etc.
I feel like the Orville starts off with a good idea, albeit roughly copied from another TNG or VOY episode, and then fails to make it juicy enough for me to care. I think the aesthetics is considerably silly, there is no world-building either (because why would there be, it's just like the ST universe anyway with the Krill being the Klangs).
Excuse me? There are dozens of episodes in all ST shows that deal with this concept, just not that specific scenario.
They just get him as the eternal Commander for a reason.
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>They could have included things like phones being designed to break after 2 years or that phone companies make it deliberately hard to open up the phone so you can't change the battery, included a lot more of 25th century people ignorant about jobs having to make money and that landlords exist, etc.
I'd like that plot but you could just as easily achieve it using a time travel excuse as well. Actually I'd be all up for that: the Orville could do a plot about the flaws of the modern day without sliding into SJW-style criticism that ironically has the same issue identity politics are just as much a flaw of our time as anything else.
Not for another week, I'm afraid.
Damn, Sirtis is supposed to guest star in this one.
Is she really? What as?
No episode this week. One of the downsides of it being a Seth McFarlane show.
Why exactly does it being a MacFarlane show mean no episode this week?
>Why exactly does it being a MacFarlane show mean no episode this week?
It doesn't, >>30732 is talking out of his ass.
In truth, it's a downside of being on Fox. They pull this sort of inexplicable random re-ordering/delaying on shows all the time.
Fox are literally the textbook definition of big guys who don't deserve their own flight plan.
More to do with March Madness and basketball games all over the schedule, all the networks shove shit aside.
at least somebody here doesn't have there tinfoil hat on.it's simple maths, more people want to watch sports ball than slightly funny star trek.
Christ, the apes can't even finish playing niggerball on time?
They can't into calendars.
They're on African time, it's a cultural difference
New episode dropped tonight, it's the Moclans again. I'm a bit torn on the subject–on the one hand it's nice that we're getting a lot of worldbuilding for Moclus, but on the other, the ship hasn't really left Union space for quite a while due to all of these character episodes.
Am I the only one who thinks the simple solution to the Gordon/Laura issue would be to rewrite the simulation so that Greg doesn't get back together with her, instead of deleting him from the program entirely?
finally new episode
good shit, aside from dolly parton combat music
Another "Moclans are evil men" episode.
On the plus side, its neat that they finally acknowledge that the entire subject is basically just "humans trying to force aliens to abandon their culture for human norms" which the rest of the aliens who make up the union seem to think isn't a good thing.
It bugs me a bit that no one seems to consider the argument that the colony is effectively independent from Moclas, since they have been avoiding any ties to Moclas so well the Moclan government didn't even know about the planet, it has no claims to sovereignty over it.
>finally new episode
>good shit, aside from dolly parton combat music
>It bugs me a bit that no one seems to consider the argument that the colony is effectively independent from Moclas
That's the argument they put forward at first. But it's brushed aside because the female colony has repeatedly violated Moclan law by smuggling infants off-planet. So from Moclus' point of view, they have every right to arrest those criminals, and break up what they see as a human-trafficking ring. So even if they have no claim to the planet itself, they do have claim to pursue criminals into unowned territory and bring them to justice.
Don't know why the post went retarded like that, must have highlighted by accident. But yes, the Dolly Parton music joke fell flat with me, as well.
>But yes, the Dolly Parton music joke fell flat with me, as well.
I think that was the intent, as Mercer said "oh boy, here we go…" - then later using the soundtrack over an action scene was an awkward theme clash, but yeah… they could have just left that one on the editing room floor.
So did Commander throw old teacher out the airlock? Is she a new regular?
Pretty good episode with a lot of guests.
>So did Commander throw old teacher out the airlock?
Cassius got transfered to another ship after he and Kelly broke up.
If they said that I didn't catch it. All I heard was them stating that they want to be independent, followed by the Moclans accusing them of breaking the law. They didn't make a case for why they weren't subject to moclan law and sovereignty.
The whole thing seems like the Taiwan problem, and can you imagine the political shitstorm if China send their military to arrest "fugitives and criminals" in Taiwan?
>you imagine the political shitstorm if China send their military to arrest "fugitives and criminals" in Taiwan?
except everyone knows where Taiwan is and they have a strong global trade presence; feMoclan's existence is unknown until the Orville exposes it; on Earth we have some international norms and treaties establishing sovereignties and coastal waters, etc; the union might have some basic sovereignty guidelines, like specifying a colony of a minimal population in a continuous sector of space no further than specified distance from another, where no other faction's colony is in proximity, would be able to claim a union recognized border - so does the feMoclan colony reside in their space? probably not, so seems like a grey area, unclaimed territory involving an unrecognized faction - Masclons can play like they're North Korea
Are Masclons actually male, I mean, they lay eggs? Are the feMoclons actually the male? Did all the female alien species nodding their heads agree with Masclons that protecting their own females by keeping them in the union take precedence over the gender struggle - they seemed to imply women are hypocrites and don't give a shit about other women and enable men to treat women like shit
Yes, IRL we have laws, treaties and preexisting borders that help settle this kind of issues. But why wouldn't the Union have treaties for dealing with territorial disputes and the process for claiming unsettled systems legally, for all its various member governments?
I can't imagine this kind of shit hasn't come up before in the Unions history.
>Are Masclons actually male
Not in the sense of "almost any kind of life on earth would define it".
They would probably be classified as hermaphrodites, seemingly having both the ability to impregnate a mate and be impregnated themselves.
Moclans have not only been doing fine (biologically speaking) without any females around, so all logic would suggest they aren't required for reproduction.
The real question in all of this is two fold, why is the physical differences between moclan males and females, and more pressingly in this case, why are they trying to identify according to human sexes, which quite obviously do not apply to Moclans in the first place.
Taiwan, even if not part of the UN, is still widely recognized as a real and legitimate state by the world at large. I'd say the feMoclan planet is more like if it was suddenly discovered that an island of fags existed in the middle of the Arabian Sea. These fags had fled there from Saudi Arabia, and maintained their population by repeatedly re-entering Saudi Arabia illegally and sneaking out with child drag queens. In this scenario, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Saudi Arabia would claim that the island is made up of criminals evading the authorities.
>why are they trying to identify according to human sexes, which quite obviously do not apply to Moclans in the first place.
We know that the reason Moclan culture is so anti-female is that Moclus is a very inhospitable planet–in order for the species to survive, every member of the species had to be physically strong. It could be that long ago, the Moclans were a sexually dimorphic species, until some cataclysmic change in the environment. After that change, there was evolutionary pressure for the sexual dimorphism to disappear, until only the "male" gender survived. Because the Moclans were sentient as this change occurred, tribal histories contained some semblance of this record. As a result, they still have the vaguest records of these "females" who once existed, and remember that their existence nearly caused the death of the species. Yes I know evolution normally happens way too slow for this to be plausible. Maybe they got lucky with mutations. Or maybe this all happened when Moclans were relatively advanced, the cataclysm made them regress heavily in technology, and the mutation was actually an artificial one made by some geneticist.
Re-reading this post, it seems rambly and not altogether clear. Without making any assumptions, what I was attempting to stipulate is this: since the Moclans have such a deep-seated prejudice against females despite their apparent rarity, and explicitly identify as male despite being asexual hermaphrodites, we may infer that females were at one point more common, and that their proliferation posed an existential threat to Moclan existence.
I thought it was mostly the opposite. Rara feminism rara revolution plot with no B plot weird cuts at the beginning (mostly due to no B plot) and aside from some okay scenes mostly meh. The dolly parton bits were good for a quick laugh.
>also Ed needs to never smile again fuck me, that fucker is homely who the fuck smiles with the top of their gums..
>waited a month
>it's another fucking Moclan episodes
>the big climax is a whimsical shootout with Dolly Parton playing over it
I had to turn it off. Way to go, Riker, you're making STD look real good right now. If this show doesn't improve soon, it should just be canceled.
This discussion has been completely ruined by autists who think it's a good idea to post walls of text of shit no one cares about.
admitted it was a bad episode (in contention for worst of the season) but yeah even a million bucks couldn't make STD look good right now
The basic core principle, even an episode of Orville you might not like is infinitely better than STD.
I likes this one, the Moclan issue has been simmering for awhile and Bortus and Klydon fighting in front of Greyson was good stuff.
So did anyone notice Tony Todd in this episode at all?
I care about them.
Irish not welcome.
>>the big climax is a whimsical shootout with Dolly Parton playing over it
watched Deadpool 2 for first time last night, also an action scene with same Dolly song, but it actually fit deadpool and editing was much better
What's this Irish meme? Are you faggots projecting about being the Niggers of the White race?
>Klyden is Coach from Left 4 Dead 2
Now I feel much better for killing myself in game whenever I spawn as that nigger.
It's honestly a bit silly to distinguish between the two Moclan types along the lines of gender, when it's more appropriate in their species to consider being born "female" as a kinda-rare mutation some people are born with. Hell, considering them a different sub-race of the same species whose traits occasionally still pop up in the general population a la Neanderthal-looking people occasionally appearing amongst Europeans and Asians is probably much closer than that.
yes, but calling them female instantly makes them more relatable compared to calling them recessives or retrogrades would
Fuck off with your boomer memes.
>begorrah tis another potato famine
>Re-reading this post, it seems rambly and not altogether clear. Without making any assumptions, what I was attempting to stipulate is this: since the Moclans have such a deep-seated prejudice against females despite their apparent rarity, and explicitly identify as male despite being asexual hermaphrodites, we may infer that females were at one point more common, and that their proliferation posed an existential threat to Moclan existence.
They may be becoming more common now that the corrective procedure has caught on and trannies like Klyden are breeding and spreading the girl-gene.
>So did anyone notice Tony Todd in this episode at all?
Yeah but I bet I wouldn't have noticed if I didn't catch his name in the credits
>yes, but calling them female instantly makes them more relatable compared to calling them recessives or retrogrades would
but still, I think with a bit of fanwanking it could be forced to make sense. We don't know much about how Moclans reproduce, especially females (if they can?). Maybe the hermaphroditism of the "males" is itself a result of genetic engineering. Also, everyone in-universe called Moclans an "all-male" species before the females were discovered, and all the reasons why it's just easier for everyone to agree on that still apply. Yaphit's probably not a dictionary-definition male either, but a lesbian with Norm Macdonald's voice would be way too weird so everyone minds his pronouns.
Anyhow nice episode but I'm really impatient for them to run into a space anomaly or something, I'm all fagged out with fags
young kelly a cute
why can't regular kelly always have normal hair like that
>arround mick's go quick
yer gonna get what you want. Damn hymens are corrupting the timeline.
It's just a seven year jump, that train left the station a long long time ago.
Also, interesting way to end the season. Pretty novel excuse if you want to do some retcons for the next one.
No clover allowed.
>who the fuck smiles with the top of their gums..
Jerry Seinfeld. He's way worse. Gums for days.
Shit, was this the last of the season? What a shame.
And it would be fucking dumb if they resorted to time travel to retcon things.
It was a typical predictable epsiode overall but that point did setup for some interesting things next season I think. I wonder if they will make it a big plot point? Which worries me if they do the whoel VOY-ENT Temperoal Cold War thing and fuck it up
>Shit, was this the last of the season?
One more next week. From the description it sounds like a direct follow-up to this episode, so they'll probably patch up the timeline and we'll be back to status quo by the end. This is a MacFarlane gig after all.
>Shit, was this the last of the season? What a shame.
The season finale is for next week. I wonder if they can pull a Mirror episode with this one.
It's not that I didn't think it was funny. I just want to be able to meme the show to normies and I just can't suggest gay porn to my parents for some reason. I dunno. A bridge too far, i guess. All the other Mocclan episodes are obviously their attempt to build a firewall against cancellation. They're trying to build-up goodwill among liberals who will see the show as "too important to cancel" since it's effecitvely memeing gayniggers into pop culture and they're trying to draw a contrast with STD which is going guns a blazin' with yass queen slay but isn't really making much social commentary (or actually getting a chance to reach a mainstream audience). I don't like either of it, but I kinda can appreciate the strategy, i guess. In the meantime, we get a handful of decent episodes and guest appearances (i can't believe they're still getting so many, so often… like ted danson). S2 is not the vast improvement I was hoping for and was a step-down in a lot of ways, but in some ways it did get better - like vfx - and i'll obviously stick with it. I'm still rooting for the show, even though it pisses me off sometimes and I really wish i could just watch a show and enjoy it. I would proably have to quit image boards for that, though.
Overall this was a fairly decent episode, for yet another fixing muh broken past relationship hour. Young Kelly was surprisingly sweet, and it was good to see Gordon trying to stop Mercer from doing the exact same mistake twice.
That said, I was hoping that by now the show would have wound down on the "let's do this thing Trek has done before BUT" move and started to do its own thing. Especially the ice trick shouldn't have worked. It's one thing for military-minded aliens to miss a small shuttle hiding in the ice (and then proceeding to blow apart any pieces large enough to hide them), and another for super-advanced AI people to miss a full-on starship hiding on a chunk of ice not all that much larger than itself, then wandering off. The alloys and whatever quantum mojo juice they're using as fuel alone, never mind a still-active artificial gravity field, ought to have given them away.
Best part of the episode, right there.
Looks like I fucked up. Thanks for the correction, anons.
Don't know if I should feel relieved or worried that we'll get another finale though. On one hand, erasing canon for another timeline pretty much never ends well, on the other hand, it would have been a way to cut the soap tumor out of this show that dragged S2 down even more than the departure of everyones favorite pickle jar opener. However this goes, I already know the hype I felt before the start of S2 won't return for S3.
>My future is a disappointment.
Also Young Kelly a qt, hair back in a pony tail with bangs > freefall and being cold.
Genuinely good episode, especially since it didn't mash the reset button at the end. There are obvious comparisons to be made to Thomas Riker, I think they pulled it off a little better here.
He must suffer… but thats almost to much!
> it didn't mash the reset button at the end.
Oh shit fucking Galaxy Quest. After all these years I finally get it.
The ship dispersing 120% of its overall volume in water didnt help the scene either
One possible difference is that the runabout in DS9 hid in Kuiper belt on the outer edges of a solar system, not in rings around a planet well within the solar system. Within orbit of a planet, much closer to its star, there's a lot more background radiation and interference you can hide in, unlike a Kuiper belt which is basically deep space. Further, the Jem'Hadar's primary mission in DS9 was to actively find and destroy the runabout, so it makes sense that they spent several hours trying to find it. The Kalon vessels just chanced upon an easy target while doing something else. Once the easy target became less of an easy target, they stopped trying to look for it and went on to finish whatever mission they were on before detecting the Orville.
>Central Processing, this is patrol 184.108.40.206. Our long range sensors have identified a Union Scout. Shall we pursue and emgage?
<Yes. Terminate with extreme prejudice.
>Central Processing, this is patrol 220.127.116.11. The Union Scout has fled into a planetary ice ring to evade us. We haven't seen them leave the ring and they have no means of leaving without being seen.
<Search the ring for the ship and terminate it if you find it.
>Central Processing, this is patrol 18.104.22.168. We finished searching the ring and didn't find the ship but there is this one big chuck of ice in the shape of a union ship, with a radiation source that could be a reactor that was just turned off and the whole ice block is giving off an awful lot of heat, like its just barely frozen unlike the rest of the ring which is all close to cosmic background temperature plus the expected heat from the local star. Should we investigate?
<Nah, too much of a hassle
>yer gonna get what you want.
oh goodie, the fate of the timeverse hangs on ed/kelly shipping, or something. it was a good episode but Trek remakes and relationship drama are the other tricks they've overused and abused.
>They're trying to build-up goodwill among liberals who will see the show as "too important to cancel"
I don't think this is working at all
You have a point, but what I was imagining was more like this:
>central Processing, we have detected a Union vessel. Their projected path will pass in close proximity to our own path. Estimated time to eliminate would delay completion of current objective by 2.13%.
<Very well, you may proceed with secondary objective and terminate the vessel.
>Central Processing, the Union vessel has entered an ice ring and are foolishly trying to evade detection. They are unable to obscure themselves indefinitely, and will soon be found. Revised estimated time to eliminate woud delay completion of primary objective by 3.66%.
<A delay of greater than 3% is considered unacceptable according to mission parameters. You will continue on your original course.
So what is happening in the next episode? Any previews yet?
So did everyone lose interest in this or something?
I've never seen a single episode.
Latest episode only came out last night, I was planning to pirate it this evening and wtach.
Acutally a really good episode, I'm glad the season ended on a high note. S3 never
Also this ship looks really fucking familiar, but I just can't place it. Is anyone else getting this feeling? I'm sure it looks just like a ship from something else, that long front part with the smaller nacelle type bits and the wide engine spread are triggering something in my memory. Possibly a Star Wars ship but I'm not sure.
It looks a bit like the Deadalus-class ship from Stargate.
Everyone is too busy 'hating' STD
I thought the exact same.
What makes you think S3 won't happen? The clickbait entertainment pieces that report on this kind of stuff say Fox will get a yuge tax credit if they make S3 of the Orville, that alone is an incentive to do it.
to be fair watching a franchise you love go down to SJW menace in quite possibly the worst season finale on TV ever is worth a watch for the point and laugh aspect or nothing else.
As for the orville, I just feel like they told the makeup/clothing department to make kelly hot as hell these last too episodes. The central premise is cuckery but part of me appreciate's ed's desire to breed this whore.
It was a pretty great episode. Not sure if the end of the episode was actually surposed to be a Quantum Overload or just an explosion (im leading towards the later as it was kinda implied an actual quantum whatever would destroy other ships).
As for did these two episodes actually coherantly deal with time travel which is probably their real success or failrue as an episode. As far as I can tell it at the very least avoids any paradox.
>Original (pre disappearance) timeline A, Kelly Disappears Into future creating the B timeline.
<Kelly Reappears with Memories, denies 2nd date preventing the return to the A timeline
>B timeline uses the conethingy to send the doc back to just after the B timeline is created and ensure they are returned to the A timeline
B doesn't destroy the B timeline (A does with some assistance from B) thus avoiding paradox (how can a nonexistant thing exist to prevent its own existance). Of course this is ignoring the fact that each timeline is probably playing normally, The untampered A timeline, the B timeline (minus the Orville now) and the tampered B timeline if you believe the multiverse thing. I guess it hinges to when you want to stick the exact creation time for each timeline (kelly's disappearance vs kelly's rejection of ed).
Overall a fun tale of timetravel, mirror universes and daring due (with little chance of it becoming a thing and being raped for a terrible season one by a spin off's spinoff's spinoff's spinoff).
>As for the orville, I just feel like they told the makeup/clothing department to make kelly hot as hell these last too episodes.
This reads like a complaint but I don't see the problem.
Must have filmed this early in the season. The dusty Union uniforms and from Reds using rifles against the Kaylon was a nice touch. CGI was pretty good as well. Better than that space battle a few episodes ago, they're nailing planet shots and stuff.
Overall, a good finish for S2, started out a bit week but the quality quickly rose, even outshone some of the S1 episodes and was enjoyable all around. Hopeful for an S3.
I had to back up and pause on that frame, i thought it was chakotay for a minute
Do you think Janeway will appear as the Dark Lord of Coffee?
Awful boob job.
That would be pretty great.
I dont know what she will appear as but i bet she will show up eventually. I bet either as a haggard old freighter captain, a chancellor of some dystopic planetary regime or as some kindof yankee trader ferengi rip off
Not the greatest, but would tiddyfug
My hopes for a season 3 would include a not-DS9 recurring space station plot the ship operates out of and Yaphete is constable and season 1 engineer suffers while married a keiko; please make it so if you're reading Seth
ps: also not-Dukat and not-Weylan and space jew bartenders as well
>Not the greatest, but would tiddyfug
not sure it's physically possible to press her breasts together
>Of course this is ignoring the fact that each timeline is probably playing normally, The untampered A timeline, the B timeline (minus the Orville now) and the tampered B timeline if you believe the multiverse thing.
Well I hope it's gone. There was an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer where they went to the bad timeline that they had corrected in another episode and it always triggered my 'tism. If both timelines coexist, what was even the point of all that? The doctor disappearing implies it's gone anyway.
Episode was meh/10 imo, they kinda did the most predictable thing they could have done whereas on a good day they're a little more clever.
Honestly I'd love to see Jeffrey Combs on Orville. Not for any nostalgia reasons, but just because he's a fucking awesome actor. That man gives 100% effort, 100% of the time, no matter the role.
i'd give it above meh, reasonably good. Okay end to the season. It had some great points and it was nice to see some 'out of depth' from the actors. Wasn't amazing but wasn't a shit show by any means (although the black hole vs the mariana's trench thing is making me huh).
So properly there is
the original timeline
the original timeline minus kelly
the original timeline plus past kelly
the original timeline plus and then minus past kelly
the original timeline minus kelly and the doctor
the original timeline minus kelley and then plus kelly and plus the doctor which is almost functionally identical to the original timeline except for 10 mins or so.
The fact that they could pull kelly from the past and not immediate have their timeline switch to the minus kelly timeline is strong evidence that its a multiverse with multiple concurrent timelines (even the doctor's disapperance only proves that they did successfully prevent the creation of one timeline the minus kelly and the doctor one which is why she disappeared as apposed to proving a single timeline which the episode disproves by not switching immediately).
ALSO THIS SETH YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
>black hole vs the mariana's trench thing
That inconsistency is not even the dumbest part, the dumbest part is that they went inside the event horizon of a black hole, and then were able to leave effortlessly. They went past the point where it's impossible for anything to escape, even light, and escaped. And never mind the fact that they were somehow able to see while in there.
>The fact that they could pull kelly from the past and not immediate have their timeline switch to the minus kelly timeline
See, this would have worked if it was a standalone episode and the memory wipe worked the first time. Kelly hopping forward then back would have been a pre-existing part of the timeline; just a stable timeloop contained entirely within one timeline, with no others being created by it. But one crucial thing discounts this possibility: Kelly being sent back creates a new timeline, which means the original timeline did not contain that loop. So instead we have this weird situation where Kelly being pulled forward in time would create a timeline where she didn't exist, but doesn't erase the timeline where she does exist, but the doc erasing her memory does erase the timeline that was created by her having those memories. It's a bit inconsistent on whether or not it's possible to prevent a timeline from existing.
Well, it was still a good episode overall. It's just that autists like us seem to be much better at understanding time travel than the average screenwriter.
Don't forget the other timeline with Pria where the Orville was supposed to be destroyed.
>That inconsistency is not even the dumbest part, the dumbest part is that they went inside the event horizon of a black hole, and then were able to leave effortlessly. They went past the point where it's impossible for anything to escape, even light, and escaped. And never mind the fact that they were somehow able to see while in there.
Did you miss the part of the show where they demonstrated that they had faster-than-light engines?
Yeah, and they weren't using the quantum drive when they were in the black hole, nor did they use it to fly out.
It would be a simple solution, but it would destroy the realness of Laura. She'd cease being Laura and become just another simulation making shit up.
Finally caught the last three episodes.
Was predictable and more or less shits all over the original interesting idea of whether or not we were judging their society by our standards (the cleft pallet comparison) in favour of a generic 'oppression is bad' episode. Also that's three Mocclan society is bad episodes in one season if I'm counting correctly: it was neat to have it as a one-off in S1 even if I think About a Girl was pretty shallow for what it was but if this was back in the 80s or 90s I'd be immediately swapping channels at the merest hint of that now.
>Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow
Neat premise but as usual anything with Ed and Kelly is let down by their story being generic sitcom/tv drama fodder. I would have . Sometimes like with Lasting Impressions The Orville rips off a Trek episode and improves it. This was more like a rehash of the first Thomas Riker episode shitty timewasting old romance included. Also the Kaylons never would have given up waiting outside the black hole since they're machines who don't care about time and Issac in this very same show happily spent 700 years on a single planet saying it'd be mere seconds. That's really just a minor plot hole.
>The Road Not Taken
Obviously similar to a few TNG and VOY time travel episodes/season enders down to even having the ex security chief make an appearance. You could see where the plot was going but it was fun enough even if it was nothing special. I like the fact they specifically mentioned it was Claire not being aboard that was the issue rather than just Mercer not being captain: the idea that a seemingly minor choice like that could affect history so badly is a lot more fun than the idea of one man being so great he could do what nobody else in the Union's fleet could despite them all being highly trained. Also the resistance deserved to die because their tactical idea of 'let's all stand in the open and shoot floating heads' just seems silly. I liked evil Issac.
Overall I'm unimpressed with S2. Too much office in space and character bullshit not enough comfy monster/SF idea of the week fun. I actually miss some of the more blatant humour too. I'll happily give it another series since Trek often took 3-4 to get going but I suspect seth is going to be too taken by the better critical reviews and will carry on down this path instead of taking the good parts of S1 and blending them with S2's character writing like I'd want.
>good shit, aside from dolly parton combat music
The dolly parton stuff was the only bit I really liked.
That misses the point they were trying to make.
>Are Masclons actually male, I mean, they lay eggs? Are the feMoclons actually the male? Did all the female alien species nodding their heads agree with Masclons that protecting their own females by keeping them in the union take precedence over the gender struggle - they seemed to imply women are hypocrites and don't give a shit about other women and enable men to treat women like shit
If the show was better written it would have acknowledged these questions way back in the third episode of the first season. For an actual single gender species it seems like female would just translate to a random mutation towards a different sort of reproduction. So the extremely rare mutations which happened every ~75 years or so would all just be grouped under female because of translation issues. Of course they threw that all out the window with this new revelation it's much more common and the ebul government is hiding that which just makes it a generic oppression plot.
>We know that the reason Moclan culture is so anti-female is that Moclus is a very inhospitable planet–in order for the species to survive, every member of the species had to be physically strong. It could be that long ago, the Moclans were a sexually dimorphic species, until some cataclysmic change in the environment. After that change, there was evolutionary pressure for the sexual dimorphism to disappear, until only the "male" gender survived. Because the Moclans were sentient as this change occurred, tribal histories contained some semblance of this record. As a result, they still have the vaguest records of these "females" who once existed, and remember that their existence nearly caused the death of the species. Yes I know evolution normally happens way too slow for this to be plausible. Maybe they got lucky with mutations.
One funny thing is that the male-only Mocclan society is highly industrialised and provides weapons for a galaxy-spanning union. The female-only society, which granted is much smaller, is basically just subsistance farming in fucking huts. Even if there's only 9000 I think that was the number given of them they've been there decades and the technology they have should have allowed for more. I get that the show creators wanted to make it look like some form of paradise but all I could see were faggots claiming that indian tribes lived better in retarded huts for 2000+ years than they do now in a modern society.
>Or maybe this all happened when Moclans were relatively advanced, the cataclysm made them regress heavily in technology, and the mutation was actually an artificial one made by some geneticist.
Probably this will be the Season 3 reveal and that will be extra strength shit because 'a big bad scientist did it and ran away' is lazy writing and again fails to explore the original interesting content.
>It's not that I didn't think it was funny. I just want to be able to meme the show to normies and I just can't suggest gay porn to my parents for some reason. I dunno. A bridge too far, i guess.
>S2 is not the vast improvement I was hoping for and was a step-down in a lot of ways, but in some ways it did get better - like vfx - and i'll obviously stick with it. I'm still rooting for the show, even though it pisses me off sometimes and I really wish i could just watch a show and enjoy it. I would proably have to quit image boards for that, though.
I'll definitely give it at least one more season. S3 doesn't have to be perfect I just want to see it improving.
I could believe this: it'd be like the Borg ignoring individual humans inside their ships when they aren't aggressive. If you're working on scales of thousands of years and billions of people a single target just doesn't matter to you.
That's what I saw too.
>The fact that they could pull kelly from the past and not immediate have their timeline switch to the minus kelly timeline is strong evidence that its a multiverse with multiple concurrent timelines (even the doctor's disapperance only proves that they did successfully prevent the creation of one timeline the minus kelly and the doctor one which is why she disappeared as apposed to proving a single timeline which the episode disproves by not switching immediately).
I assume they were going for kelly always having been pulled into the future in some form of closed loop. She at least says that 'we know it works since everything turns out' so they're talking about a single timeline you can modify rather than a multiverse.
That's a good point: they were consistent about how changing the timeline has people disappear rather than hang around. Her buisiness model would also suggest that it's one modifiable timeline as does the fact the Orville still survived the event that was supposed to destroy them even though she no longer exists.
I should really read the entire thread before hitting reply.
>So did everyone lose interest in this or something?
For the most part, yes. 75% of the episodes aren't bad, they're just unremarkable. As-in, with no mildly-autistic waifu-bait jew girl or a comparable character to hype, I literally have nothing to meme on. I can't sperg on the worldbuilding because it's literally a joke and of the regular cast, the two strongest quip characters - Bortus and Isaac - only one routinely delivers. I swear there have been several episodes this season where Isaac got the Denise Crosby treatment and he only had a few lines of random dialogue on the bridge.
The second episode was rushed. They spent the entire first episode on - you guessed it - relationship bullshit and the second episode suffered for it. I get that the episode split might seem like a good place to put the timeline split, but the second half is pretty dense. I've never seen the actors act more wooden and stilted then they did in this episode, trying to deliver all the plot exposition and do weird, quick (re)introductions at the same time. It was a fun episode to watch, but I literally didn't care what was going on or why and the actors didn't seem to either.
>I just feel like they told the makeup/clothing department to make kelly hot as hell these last too episodes
And by that you mean they were told to make Kelly's hip appear even narrower. There were a few shots where she's literally wearing yoga pants or leggings and it's legit unsettling how lithe this woman's lower half is.
>dark edgy Alara
I caught a glimpse of the Alara I once knew in that scene, but only a glimpse. It only made me miss her more and then when Seth had the nerve to give her line to Goblina later in the episode…
>Everyone is too busy 'hating' STD
This board is like /co/, normalfag boomers pretending to be hip. But really watching all the worst pozzed crap on air.
I shit you not: most herr watch Gayme of thrones.
This sucker actually enjoys and theorycrafts STD, probably on reddit. Ban him.
>I shit you not: most herr watch Gayme of thrones.
I don't, but I feel like watching anything at all is watching pozzed crap, so what can one do. Even Orville is about gaynigger trannies.
>75% of the episodes aren't bad, they're just unremarkable.
Alara leaving hurts worse than I was expecting, they didn't even bother with a proper substitute, just a not-Alara who differentiates herself from the real thing by being totally unappealing. Nobody cares about Ed, he's just what we're stuck with because it's Seth's show, so we're stuck in a VOY situation where the nominal leads are the worst characters.
I also can't help but speculate that every bit of Ed/Kelly/Alara relationship drama has some inspiration from Seth's real life, including Ed being unable to keep up with a party animal younger gf and Alara regretfully burning the coal
>I assume they were going for kelly always having been pulled into the future in some form of closed loop. She at least says that 'we know it works since everything turns out' so they're talking about a single timeline you can modify rather than a multiverse.
iirc the dialog suggested that there are two distinct types of time travel: 1) Titor-style where nothing is affected because it's akkshually an alternate universe, or 2) within a single timeline. Kelly's line doesn't make a lot of sense, since in that case they'd never have to worry about accidentally changing history anyway… although in the end she turns out to be sort of correct, since their actions ultimately result in the timeline being restored. Presumably the whole series so far has taken place with these events in the past, including the doctor briefly stepping in from a bad future that doesn't exist…
>I swear there have been several episodes this season where Isaac got the Denise Crosby treatment and he only had a few lines of random dialogue on the bridge.
I was thinking that might be intentional to cool off his character after the big two parter. His betrayal still got countless crew members killed after all. It is a bit weird though and he did have some of the best comedic moments the practical joke stuff in S1 was great.
>It was a fun episode to watch, but I literally didn't care what was going on or why and the actors didn't seem to either.
I agree. It's a big mash up of a bunch of Trek and Star Wars moments that's fun when you watch it but almost completely forgettable otherwise.
>iirc the dialog suggested that there are two distinct types of time travel: 1) Titor-style where nothing is affected because it's akkshually an alternate universe, or 2) within a single timeline. Kelly's line doesn't make a lot of sense, since in that case they'd never have to worry about accidentally changing history anyway… although in the end she turns out to be sort of correct, since their actions ultimately result in the timeline being restored. Presumably the whole series so far has taken place with these events in the past, including the doctor briefly stepping in from a bad future that doesn't exist…
Yeh it's a bit of a strange one. I mean they seem to at least touch on the idea in-universe so there's that.
>I also can't help but speculate that every bit of Ed/Kelly/Alara relationship drama has some inspiration from Seth's real life
You write what you know or can credibly synthesize/compose or you write fantasy and The Orville may be the softest of sci-fi, as is Star Trek itself, but it's not a fantasy series. The show is essentially anchored by bar scenes and crew quarter scenes probably because it's easy given the circumstances and the writers are at their most authentic when they're writing those. They probably rationalize that focusing on relationships gives the show heart and it does but you can't sustain your show on that if you want an audience of autists. Part of the reason TNG was so beloved by a generation who caught it as kids was because many of them legit had autism and a side-effect of the post-S3 Michael Pilar relationship focus was that the show effectively modeled human interactions in a specific, non-threatening and mostly-positive way and spoonfed it to mildly-autismal retards. You still have to bring the worldbuilding and sci-fi plotting, though, and I feel like Seth probably needs some help with that.
A dangerous game for fans to play these days. I like Primer as much as the next anon but time travel as a plot device - apart from just getting played-out on Star Trek for years - went from being a crutch for the writers to use for a cheap what-if prompt to the studios actively embracing the concept of the multiverse in order to facilitate licensing exploitation and increase their value proposition to possible licensees. So, if they want to put certain stipulations on the license to use their IP, the licensee wont complain that theirs wouldn't be perceived as authentic and hence they'ld demand a discount. If instead of rigid canonicity, they entire IP has "a fresh take" as a given, they think audiences/consumers will be more likely to embrace it.
What they're going to learn is you probably would have had to build a new IP from the ground up for this, where the audience expects it. Comic books - and thus capeshit films - have this going for them. James Bond films do this also since they exist in a rolling timeline like comic books, but the 007 franchise also highlights how you can push shit too far in "re-imagining" since audiences still expect a certain consistency to characters basic characteristics and the franchise's ethos. I would expect an IP built around what the studios are trying to achieve to be something almost 'arthouse experimental' in how loose and adaptive it is.
TNG nailed the epic-adventure romp two-parter pretty well with Unification", but its superior structure and scale tends to get over-shadowed by >muh Spock and >muh notTasha Yar. In reality, this episode features Christi Haydon-Wilson in rare form as is one of her first appearances which anchored the episode spiritually and accounts for its strong ethos and technical superiority. Had her scene in The First Duty not been cut, one wonders how exactly that episode might have played-out. I suspect that "Tom Paris" might have actually appeared in Voyager and Wesley might have no ended-up as a literal twink bottom for a space-time traveling homosexual. Indeed, her missing scene in The First Duty is probably actually responsible the divergence of the swoleverse timeline and not whatever canon says. At any rate, the b-plot in Unification'' onboard the Enterprise trying to solve a mystery was excellent and I felt that this episode of The Orville could have used the breathing room .
>TNG nailed the epic-adventure romp two-parter pretty well with Unification", but its superior structure and scale tends to get over-shadowed by >muh Spock and >muh notTasha Yar.
The Spock stuff was ok but I hate the Romulan evilYar character. Bringing her back for Yesterday's Enterprise was fine but that was pushing believability. It's also pretty clear that they knew she had travelled back in time which brings up the question why the Romulans didn't torture original Yar after they captured her to find out a bunch of secrets about the future yes specific events would change as they acted on their knowledge but major ones wouldn't and she's still a goldmine of future Federation technology instead of making her a sex slave.
>I suspect that "Tom Paris" might have actually appeared in Voyager
That was by most accounts the original intent but there were licensing issues because the episode's original author would have gotten royalties from every Voyager episode.
>What they're going to learn is you probably would have had to build a new IP from the ground up for this, where the audience expects it. Comic books - and thus capeshit films - have this going for them. James Bond films do this also since they exist in a rolling timeline like comic books,
I'm not a huge fan but Doctor Who is the prime example of an IP that's basically designed to handle this sort of thing.
>but the 007 franchise also highlights how you can push shit too far in "re-imagining" since audiences still expect a certain consistency to characters basic characteristics and the franchise's ethos. I would expect an IP built around what the studios are trying to achieve to be something almost 'arthouse experimental' in how loose and adaptive it is.
And yet they also fucked it up by pushing for a female Doctor so there you go.
>Instead of making her a sex slave
Im beginning to see the issue here
>species-mixing instead of intelligence gathering
Absolutely human. And assuming your interrogation methods aren't that intensive you could still dick her afterwards.
>not making your dick the interrogation method
You're pretty much hit the nail on the head with regards to The Orville's problems. The episodes are watchable but not memorable, with Alara gone there aren't any truly likeable characters, and interactions between the crew don't have that warm fuzzy feeling that 90s trek managed to capture. Add to that some hamfisted social commentary and a lack of good sci-fi stories and you've got trouble.
It's a shame, I was hopeful for The Orville and I still don't dislike it, but it's just not turning out very well.
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No news on S3 yet but they've released some gags from set.
Twitter also has some fun stuff.
What if they introduced them to /r9k/ in the show?
Seth, three words for you - Animated Christmas Special - "A Very Orville Christmas" - starring all the cast voicing their own get flung into a not-trek multiverse full of trek alumni voice cameos and possibly christmas carols… when a "harmless" gift exchange goes awry and the gift throws the entire ship through a dimensional rift - well…
>interactions between the crew don't have that warm fuzzy feeling that 90s trek managed to capture.
But they're trying… really, really, really hard. The Orville isn't a serialized show, obviously, but it has that ethos that every show has now where they feel like they have to plot the series and give characters big sweeping arcs where they "grow". What they end up doing is cramming years or decades of relationship / career into a few seasons of a tv show and it feels forced. I feel like Seth has a checklist of TNG tropes that he's just running through as quickly as possibly to clear his bucket list before cancellation.
I've posted this before, but they should have started the series in medias res like so many other classic episodic shows. Just drop us in the middle of an archetypal crew functioning like a well-oiled machine and tell some good stories with a moral and some heart in the context of engaging sci-fi. I don't need to eaves drop on these peoples private lives every goddamn episode.
I hope they unfuck their shit and strike a happy balance. Needs a TNG Season 3 tier unfucking to happen.
>the royalties issue
I thought the creators spoke and said that wasn't the issue? This thing was always disputed I thought, even Paris's actor said they're two different characters.
I think the final official word was that the character was too irredeemable, as if btfoing wesley doesn't automatically make him likable
No idea, that's just what I heard. I think royalties is more likely the real issue with the others as excuses.
McFarlane is known for riding a horse till it's deader than dead without ever changing the saddle. They'll play it safe, maybe add some more humour here and there and some more serious double or triple episodes.
But think about it, the ST universe was already massive after two seasons of TNG, while we know practically nothing about space politics and other species in The Orville. I quite don't understand why they still haven't dared to introduce a new alien faction.
I need to get around to actually watching this.
>I quite don't understand why they still haven't dared to introduce a new alien faction.
You seem to have forgotten the Chak'tal.
That may be true, but two seasons in and compared to STD. Orville has real legs. Maybe STD can recover things with Pike, Spock and the Enterprise in season 3. That would be so stupid it would be fitting for STD to have the Enterprise be the main ship in season 3.
Orville would have to totally blow chips to not be better than STD. I hope they do bring on some new Aliens soon. I am a little tired of the space vampires.
oh look more gay shit on tv to go with the rest of the gay shit.
What's with the fat Sulu?