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cfa233  No.799291

Can women be priests/pastors?

efe796  No.799294

No. Women are in a state of ontological subjugation to men, and therefore cannot serve the role of shepherd. Christ didn't choose male apostles by accident.


efe796  No.799296

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a6.htm

1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination." The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.


109b0c  No.799297

>>799291

>Can women fulfill an inherently masculine role as the spiritual father of the congregation mirroring the relationship of Christ to His bride the Church?

No.


7b413a  No.799298

>>799294

Jesus spoke to women in public when in that time it was tabboo. Jesus also had female disciples like Mary Magdalene, Joanna, etc. They even discovered the empty tomb at a time when women being witnesses were not valid. 1 Corinthians 14:34 is most likely an interpoltation not originally written by Paul, the Pastorals are not authentic Pauline letters but forgeries by the later Patriarchal church. Paul actually praises women and calls one of them an apostle in Romans 16:7. Paul says there is neither male nor female in Galatians 3:28. Your bigotry against women will not stand. Certainly Jesus nor Paul would agree with it.


6e27c8  No.799300

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7b413a  No.799303

>>799300

>i have no argument


424721  No.799304

>>799298

>Jesus spoke to women in public when in that time it was tabboo.

that doesn't mean women can be priests/pastors

>Jesus also had female disciples like Mary Magdalene, Joanna, etc.

that doesn't mean women can be priests/pastors

>They even discovered the empty tomb at a time when women being witnesses were not valid.

that doesn't mean women can be priests/pastors and source ?

>1 Corinthians 14:34 is most likely an interpoltation not originally written by Paul, the Pastorals are not authentic Pauline letters but forgeries by the later Patriarchal church.

source ? that's something big you're saying here

>Paul actually praises women and calls one of them an apostle in Romans 16:7. Paul says there is neither male nor female in Galatians 3:28.

that doesn't mean women can be priests/pastors


6e27c8  No.799306

>>799303

No point in marking an argument with people who try to say that St. Paul was wrong, or actually a forgery, except when what he said can be bent to agree with what they're pushing.


7b413a  No.799309

>>799304

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2017/09/18/1-corinthians-1434-35-authentic-no/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral_epistles

>On the basis of their language, content, and other factors, the pastoral epistles are today widely regarded as not having been written by Paul, but after his death.[12] (The Second Epistle to Timothy, however, is sometimes thought to be more likely than the other two to have been written by Paul.) Beginning with Friedrich Schleiermacher in a letter published in 1807, biblical textual critics and scholars examining the texts fail to find their vocabulary and literary style similar to Paul's unquestionably authentic letters, fail to fit the life situation of Paul in the epistles into Paul's reconstructed biography, and identify principles of the emerged Christian church rather than those of the apostolic generation.[13]


424721  No.799310

>>799306

that doesn't mean women can be priests/pastors


424721  No.799311

>>799309

i meant to respond to this message*


109b0c  No.799312

>>799298

>Your bigotry against women will not stand. Certainly Jesus nor Paul would agree with it.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


0bb260  No.799313

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>>799309

>Citing wikipedia

>unironically

P.S. to be quite honest, I wouldnt have serious problem with that (we had deaconesses in old times though they arent technically part of Orthodox priesthood) if it werent for an elaborate plan by backers of SJWs to ruin the church from the inside. Women priests are kind of a small pebble in cartoons that fall from the cliff and start moving larger and larger boulders that would crush the spectators.


e579bb  No.799319

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.


a911cc  No.799323

No.

>>799298

>muh bigotry

What are you even doing on 8ch? Unironically using that word.


bc925e  No.799327

>>799291

No,this is for men.


efe796  No.799358

>>799298

None of this implies that women and men are ontologically equal as you assert. For if this were so, there would be no distinction between them and the very terms "man" and "woman" would be absurd. One cannot distinguish between two things if they are essentially equal, for two equal things are ultimately one.

Priesthood is a masculine role, as >>799297 said. It is unique and particular to men, mirroring Christ's relation to His Church. Women are not men, therefore they cannot mirror Christ in this capacity. What you are ultimately asking is for women to become men, to adopt a male nature, and then, when this is impossible (which it is), crying "bigotry" like some child throwing a tantrum.

>your bigotry against will not stand

Firstly, it is bigotry only insofar as the claim that men are not woman is bigoted. This is the truth, therefore there is no bigotry. Secondly, it obviously will stand since it is only extremely minor, modern and unimportant sects which take your point of view.

I'd like to reinforce >>799304 since your "rebuttal" is irrelevant. The Sacred Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit, meaning that everything contained within them is chosen by God. It doesn't make any difference whether or not the Pauline Epistles are all authentic; the fact alone that God decided to include them vouchsafes them regarding their contained teachings.

You clearly have an agenda which is offensive to the true faith. How you can stand alone, against history, against all the saints and martyrs, against Holy Mother Church, and cling to your own opinion, is truly shocking. You should humble yourself instead of puffing yourself up like this.


751403  No.799362

>>799291

>Can women be priests

No.

>pastors

Many Protestant denominations have female pastors, but others don't. The mainline ones usually have a schism in which one sect accepts them and another one doesn't.


efe796  No.799365

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>OP gets mansplained

>doesn't come back

Typical.


117591  No.799367

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>>799298

>Your bigotry against women will not stand. Certainly Jesus nor Paul would agree with it.

Putting the bait at the end of the hook.


25994f  No.799374

>>799358

Galatians 3:28 says there is no distinction. Men and women are completely equal in every single way. Maybe you should enter 2019, your medieval morality is silly.


296951  No.799376

I grew up with men and women priests in my church and it was fine. Regardless of the gender, the priest would make great homilies to help lead us as to become great Christians both in the Christian community and outside of it.

So yeah, I don't see why not.


07c225  No.799377

>>799374

You’re illiterate. The same passage goes on to explain that, despite being spiritually equal, men and women are meant to fulfill different spiritual roles.


b137b7  No.799380

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>>799374

>Maybe you should enter 2019, your medieval morality is silly

>muh current year

Ah man, good bait


512f04  No.799387

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371010  No.799392

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>>799374

>Maybe you should enter 2019, your medieval morality is silly.


b137b7  No.799394

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26e8f3  No.799396

>>799374

😂👌


289a2c  No.799397

>>799374

0/10 troll


289a2c  No.799399

Why do you all keep using "woman priest" instead of "priestess"? You'd never say "man priest"


26e8f3  No.799400

>>799399

>man priest

kek


a0edd9  No.799402

>>799399

priestess i guess has the connotation of 'non-abrahamic religious official'


022f96  No.799405

>>799402

>Unironically using term "abrahamic"

Please stop.


41d5ad  No.799629

>>799298

>this kind of shit is allowed here but accusing Jews of burning down Notre Dame gets you banned

the absolute state


cf5271  No.799638

>>799400

-man priest


f5a5cd  No.799639

>>799294

>No. Women are in a state of ontological subjugation to men, and therefore cannot serve the role of shepherd. Christ didn't choose male apostles by accident.

But he did. Apostle just means "one who is sent". He told Mary Magdalene to tell of his Resurrection. She's been called the Apostle to the Apostles since the earliest times because of this.

And Paul counted Junia (not "Junias" the modern rendering in some evangelical versions) as one of the apostles who accompanied him. Basically, an Apostle is a missionary, but with the highest spiritual gifts. Anyone who was "sent" to foreign lands was called "Apostle" to that territory for the first few hundred years of the church. For example, St. Patrick is called the Apostle to Ireland, and had the Spirit of God working with him to prove it. The Georgian/Caucasus area had St. Nino (St. Nina), also accompanied by great power that converted the whole territory.

What Paul forbids is ministerial roles. That's not an Apostle. But something specific to congregational work, such as officiating the Lord's Supper. They are to be like Christ on Earth, as he is High Priest in heaven. So naturally, it's wrong that a woman would depict Christ himself.

The reason why Evangelicals are falling apart in this field though is because they've destroyed all distinctions of office and gifts in the church and put pastors on a pedestal. You have no saints, no role models other than pastors, and no gifts for everyone in the church.. so it's only natural that women revolt and try to take the only place that's allowed in these pretend churches. They reap what they sow. I don't pity or weep for this at all, because it isn't even the Church to begin with.


798329  No.799652

>>799291

No, only modernist heretics think this.


1d1746  No.799654

I don't understand this question it's a winnie the pooh job that anyone can become.


e7b6f5  No.800100

>>799291

Of course. Just make sure you aren't perceived as creepy / unattractive by her or she'll have you kicked out of the church.


07c225  No.800101

>>799654

Wrong, go read 1 Corinthians.


a93877  No.800106

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>>799629

> accusing Jews of burning down Notre Dame gets you banned

stop saying this, it has been dis-proven on more than one occasion. Repeating it over and over again won't make people beleive you.


7bcd4f  No.800112

Just a personal opinion: I'd feel more comfortable with the idea of a female priestess than the idea of male priest/pastor that's not celibate.


a93877  No.800115

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>>800112

Why? There is nothing weird about being married. Although it is tradition in the church that our priests be celibate, some Catholic churches allow priests to be married. I don't see how it's weird since it isn't unnatural.


59ef67  No.800123

>>800115

My guess

He has a fetish and wants to fornicate with a priestess.


7bcd4f  No.800164

>>800115

I just think a priest should fully dedicate his live to God, and life it in a different manner than the lay people. It's not that I don't think a non-celibate person can't be close to God, but someone who's a priest should fully dedicate his life to serving Him. Raising a family can be a beautiful thing and a way to get close to God, but it's more of an indirect way.

>>800123

No, I don't have a priestess fetish. Nuns, on the other hand…


ce4fe5  No.800187

>>800164

>living a life apart from the lay

Monks are already doing that. The equivalent of a nun would really be a monk, both have to be celibate.

Imo a “priestess” reeks of the absurdities of paganism. My Orthodox priest is celibate but a priest is just a teacher. He could in theory have a wife. You could make that argument.

A Christian priestess… now that’s just absurd vanity.


b8d392  No.800189

>>799309

Historical criticism is always wrong. You need to take the bible at its word. Only atheists and jews believe in historical criticism.

Romans 3:4

2 Corinthians 10:5

Colossians 2:8

2 peter 3:15-16


b8d392  No.800193

>>799374

If medieval morality means at leats attempting to follow the word of the bible count me in


a38df1  No.800353

>>800189

This. I can’t believe any Christian would allow some atheist literary critic to tell them what to believe about the Bible. It’s just absurd.


8884d6  No.800395

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>>800106

Are you referring to the fire that was ruled as an accident before the fire was even put out, or the thread where people were getting banned for posting tweets of Jews celebrating and quotes from Church fathers?


e0b0f7  No.800402

>>799374

how do you people even manage to find this website? google blocks it for me, I had to look it up.


a38df1  No.800404

>>800395

Every mod of this board is a Normie Ordo Catholic who unironically thinks Jews are God’s chosen people. Normie Ordos defend Jews as rabidly as any evangelical.


154445  No.800420

>>800404

why is it that the mods of every board are so out of touch with the users


309d0e  No.800424

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>>800164

>>800187

>>800115

>>800112

The reason clergy can only be men actually stems from Judaic law. In judaic law, only men over 30 years of age could teach (be rabbis). That's why Jesus did not go out to preach until he was 30. Also, only men could teach with authority: women should be subservient to their husbands and listen to them, not teach them (as a general rule). Some parts of the judaic law go even further: you couldn't be a member of the Synedrion (jewish supreme court) unless you had a family. The logic behind that was that if you can't maintain and fairly administer a family, how could you judge strangers?


a38df1  No.800425

>>800420

Normal users of a board are usually content to just use the board. It’s the outcasts who don’t fit in with the rest of the board who try to become moderators in order to get power and attention.


9ae3d0  No.800426

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This thread made my morning lmao.


058f07  No.800446

>>799291

Ummm, sweetie, it's 2019, like, duhh…


84cef7  No.800454

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>>799298

Behold, the eternal prot baits again.


b137b7  No.800457

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109b0c  No.800466

>>800454

I'm Protestant and I'm entirely against this shit, you tool.


5ab432  No.800483

>>800466

>>800457

>im a protestant and i'm agianst this

You bigots aren't real protestants. You support the patriarchy that oppresses people of all shapes, sizes, genders, and creeds. Jesus will turn you away when you approach the pearly gates.


78e9d5  No.800487

>>800483

I can’t tell if this is bait, a joke, or if their actually serious


5ab432  No.800490

>>800487

I'm as serious as the orange cheeto's fraudulent election. You people are bigots and bring shame to St. Martin Luther's legacy.


687fd5  No.800491

>>799291

No for safety reason. My opinion is the barren women can be preachers to the orphaned children as long as the church is commanded by the men only. Women should not have tiniest power over the church unless it is authorised by the men to do. The barren people need to be forbidden from marrying the fertile people to prevent the loss of procreations.


5ab432  No.800516

>>800504

Nope, 100% christian unlike you bigots. You are no better than papists.


5bf33a  No.807623

> Can women be priests/pastors?

Sure, in hell.


776462  No.807669

>>800516

AJAAJJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJJA

the eternal bible idolater cries in pain as he strikes you


487766  No.807672


e8eaf9  No.807706

>>807672

oh you want an argument? here, the church forbids it and will never allow it. Done.

FFS this is why protestantism doesn't work


b51034  No.807729

>>800516

What denomination are you so I can know what to avoid? What you're teaching is so bad that every catholic, orthodox, and protestant here firmly rejects it. Why do you claim to be Christian? You clearly hate the doctrine of Christianity. Why lie to yourself?


2139cb  No.808323

>>799291

Absolute Heresy


79d4b4  No.808324

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>>800483

>>800490

>>800516

how are people falling for this bait


e0e03c  No.808326

>>808324

/christian/ has a biological imperative to respond to bait.


828f62  No.808398

teeeeeest

>>test


0d0b46  No.809215

Yeah, and so can transgender people, furries and internet celebrities.


c30319  No.809576

>>799291

i think i was baptized by a women (was born into a progressive lutheran church), was it legitimate or should i look into getting baptized by a man?


5759b3  No.809581

>>799291

Women can’t even be trusted to run a business or nations. You trust them with a Church?


31275d  No.809587

>>809576

Probably not legitimate, doubt she knew how to baptize. She probably said in the name of the Momma, the daughter and the girl power. If your church allows for women to do stuff like that they're mega mega heretics. I think you have more than enough reason to doubt they did anything right. You can get conditionally baptized again to make sure that you were baptized. (This means you acknowledge if you were indeed baptized you are doing nothing, as to not commit sacrilege, but if it was invalid you want to get baptized).


31275d  No.809588

>>809581

Women cannot be the head of a home, much less anything else.




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