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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 054189a9020ab06⋯.png (347.88 KB, 634x423, 634:423, ClipboardImage.png)

9b02d8  No.672121

>Move aims to send a clear message to Iran that any attack on U.S. interests or its allies will be met with 'unrelenting force,' U.S. national security adviser said

>Amid rising tensions between the US and Iran, Bolton said the decision was 'in response to a number of troubling and escalatory indications and warnings'

>'The United States is not seeking war with the Iranian regime, but we are fully prepared to respond to any attack, whether by proxy, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps or regular Iranian forces,' Bolton said in a statement.

https://archive.is/IYt8f

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6996121/U-S-deploying-carrier-bombers-Middle-East-warning-Iran-Bolton.html

5c5436  No.672122

>'The United States is not seeking war with the Iranian regime

>whether by proxy

<which is anything we want it to be

<who know if we'll get attacked while meddling in Syrian affairs

lol


b3c906  No.672129

File: 0cffcb5e833b286⋯.jpg (761.52 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 165b72331772bad526c1edd336….jpg)

>>672121

So this is how it starts then.


acfa66  No.672133

File: ec3de3a60a41b70⋯.jpeg (2.09 MB, 2850x1870, 285:187, William C Rogers.jpeg)

Better get the captain back in the gulf again. I can't stand the audacity of unironic neo-cohens and conservatives who rile against Iran


856518  No.672136

The Jews are Blackmailing Trump with sex-tape of Jarad and Ivanka.


da3de7  No.672137

>>672136

Trump has been a stooge for the jews for decades. They wheeled him out in the 90s and 2000s and had him follow Pat Buchanan around from party to party shrieking about "anti-semitism" and "the gays". He was dragged out of mothballs for 2016 probably because the kikes needed to make sure they had someone 110% in the tank from the get-go.


eda2ba  No.672138

File: cb8560fc99e93dc⋯.jpg (70.97 KB, 620x387, 620:387, AmericanSailors.jpg)

>>672121

Will the Iranians get an aircraft carrier this time?


1d9acc  No.672140

>they can't even win in Afghanistan

>they think they can win against Iran


b189bd  No.672143

File: e139a8995496c2d⋯.jpg (45.95 KB, 500x374, 250:187, 0148e9af704ebbfe15a3847947….jpg)

>>672121

>Clear message…that any attack on U.S. interests or its allies will be met with 'unrelenting force'

I read that without seeing the Iran part, and then reread. It really is stupid enough to be genuinely irritating that this country is being invaded and that is being facilitated by our own government, and yet they find time to ignore that and saber rattle with the most capable of the towelheads.


856518  No.672146

>>672137

Ivanka is the only thing Trump really cares about.

Kusher's dad Blackmailed his own Jewish sister with sex tape of her husband when Kusher Sr was under investigation, where it wouldn't make any real diff.

Jews blackmailed POTUS Wilson with a Jewish hooker.

Abraham, founder of Jewish religion, pimped out his own wife, claiming she was his sister.


f2c3eb  No.672148

A war against Iran means Trump ain't getting anymore tickets.


856518  No.672155

File: b73d613d898f374⋯.jpg (649.52 KB, 2268x1306, 1134:653, 9le3uugld7kz.jpg)

maybe we'll get to see some of these bad dudes in action. :)

Gotta be most fun you can have with clothes on.


f2c3eb  No.672162

>>672155

How is this any better than a gun on motorboat?


b3c906  No.672166

File: 7ad26d0cf244eb8⋯.jpg (216.11 KB, 766x1024, 383:512, modelist-konstruktor-1983-….jpg)

File: 0e163fde26128e5⋯.jpg (182.64 KB, 900x675, 4:3, ekrano_02.jpg)

File: f1d56063d232929⋯.jpg (156.31 KB, 1000x569, 1000:569, ekrano_original.jpg)

File: 87849770b5de3d6⋯.jpg (112.01 KB, 1240x696, 155:87, ekranoriginal.jpg)

>>672162

Ekranoplanes are best girls.


87bddf  No.672182

>>672121

>kikemutt supreme is really going to do it

So /k/ucks, how can one person academically profit from the coming shitstorm? :^)


f8c3e4  No.672185

>>672162

It goes faster.


eda2ba  No.672187

>>672182

Invest in oil companies that don't have ties with Iran.


87bddf  No.672190

>>672187

And after the mutts balkanize after an attempt to draft people into another sandnig war?


3129e0  No.672199

>>672190

The next system of money will be coins made of compressed tobacco, so starting buying in bulk


cee69e  No.672202

File: e4a05f34a38f700⋯.jpg (12.01 KB, 263x263, 1:1, smockin.jpg)

What did Iran even do?


6479e6  No.672203

>>672202

Resist Israeli attempts to become the dominant power in the middle east.


b69795  No.672204

Iran would probably be one of the worst Middle Eastern countries the US could go to war with, they're actually somewhat competent unlike a lot of the other towelhead nations.

Considering the US military is irreparably incompetent, I don't think this war would go well.


b69795  No.672205

>>672202

>implying our country needs a good reason to shoot brown people in foreign lands


cc99b2  No.672206

>>672204

I'll enjoy watching the US get bitchslapped.


eda2ba  No.672207

>>672190

Gold, silver, and bullets seem like a good bet, considering how Europe looks nowadays.


35c02e  No.672208

>>672202

>Iran: hey Israel shouldn't have this much power in a region where it's ideologically against every other country

>America: thigs igs fuggin antibemitism :DDDD


6479e6  No.672209

>>672204

There are two ways in, through Turkey or over the Persian golf it's mostly mountains and like you said they're half competent when it comes to using their equipment. I genuinely think the reason an invasion hasn't been attempted is because the DoD couldn't justify the casualties.


38c7b1  No.672226

>>672202

They didn't respect the 6 billion jews who were murdered by polish jew-eaters who raided refugee camps Germany built to protect them from antisemitism.


5c5436  No.672270

>>672202

Exist.


20561f  No.672286

File: 5582dd889d399cf⋯.png (569.7 KB, 625x425, 25:17, ClipboardImage.png)

>>672202

That's quite simple. You might have noticed already that US is sucking israeli and saudi dicks. Both Israel and Sauds have strategic interest in the region and wants a sphere of influence. Well, so does Iran. Iran is the one not in the globohomo club, so it's the one that's getting dogpiled by the other two so as to grab its influence sphere.

Only, Iran has actually been winning this fight lately – it increased its influence in Syria to a massive level, has probably higher pull in Iraq than ever before, Houthis in Yemen are its natural allies, Hezbollah in Lebanon is also siding with Iran… Essentially, Iran is pissing off both kikes and sandkikes enough that they decided to directly involve the US, as they found they're unable to counter Iran alone or even with CIAnigger support.

If you keep track off news in ME (can't blame you if you don't) you'd see the gradually increasing amount of asshurt from kikes and Sauds alike. Israel is fucking delirious, screeching "muh Iran" the moment anyone even mentions Syria, and Sauds got so mad that they started a direct war with Yemen. A war that they seem unable to actually win, which just makes them even agrier.


856518  No.672292

>>672185

goes faster AND can go fast over fairly choppy water.

Gets better MPGs than a boat, too.

Harder to track because it doesn't leave big wake or make spray.

Harder to track from sub or other underwater listening device.

Can travel over land.

Easier to operate (high speed boat takes real skill and attention, off-shore racers have 3 man crew for reason). WIG craft in USA are legally boats with no airplane type training required.


de8479  No.672294

Bolton should be forced to do house raids in Iran by having him always be the first one in.


856518  No.672299

>>672202

Iranian Revolution was a stunning and PEACEFUL overthrow of a Zionist Puppet regime that even Kiked up groups like Amensty International was calling "World's #1 Human Rights Violator" among a field of worthy competitors for that title.

Nothing like it has every happened. One week they were "a fortress of stability in the region" with lavish US weapons and training, and "The Shah assures loyalty with top pay and great treatment" etc. then one old man and his holy book show up and it all flips.

That scares the Jews because that must be a real God, and the Jews know theirs is fake.

Plus, the Iranians busted the "UC grad" Kiker-Hiker trio that tried to seek over the border in a mountainous and remote region. They were busted by a 9yr goat herder boy and his Shepard dog. That proves all the Jews are lying about how tough it is to secure US border.


5c5436  No.672301

File: 1b95119f65a3ca9⋯.jpg (34.4 KB, 660x490, 66:49, 1743189979334846.jpg)

File: c0cd27e2865cce2⋯.webm (11.7 MB, 640x360, 16:9, cuck speech.webm)

>>672286

>A war that they seem unable to actually win, which just makes them even agrier.

Does anyone have the video of three Houthis destroying an entire fucking Saudi convoy. How can anyone say the middle-east is complex it's jews v. the inhabitants, ooga booga there's a bunch of fucking sides that are practically the same that makes my head spin.


552b74  No.672314

>>672203

But they're the only DEMOCRACY!!!

>*cries in judaized soyboy boomer*


163159  No.672321

File: 1f82a35a27c1098⋯.png (515.33 KB, 400x575, 16:23, ClipboardImage.png)

>"Israel passed White House intelligence on possible Iran plot"

Surprising no one, at least we get to bomb muzzies. Not a great trade off for being a ZOG puppet but at least it's something.


1d9acc  No.672323

File: cc1cee8c73f62c4⋯.png (419.11 KB, 500x738, 250:369, 900% madd.png)

>>672301

>that fucking pathetic nu-"speech"


38c7b1  No.672325

>>672301

How embarassing, so this is the power of democrator.

>sniveling

>bad stuff

>stuttering

>uuuh, challenging

>"big boy words"

>you have it up here, pointing at his head

How many soldiers stabbed themselves in the head because they thought MRE's are inside?


686341  No.672326

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>672323

>>672325

If you are like me, and like to get angry before or during workout, then jewtube is filled with "motivational" speeches made by big goy Soldats. And if you want to go even further beyond, then scroll down to the comment section.


686341  No.672327

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>672326

And here is an upload that has comments enabled.


a3cf29  No.672330

>>672326

Fucking hell. A minute in and it's already "I was wasted before my navy commissioning hur-hur I'm a degenerate just like you aren't I wacky." audience claps


56fb58  No.672331

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>672301

>>672327

>>672326

This is proof that (((anglo))) and their subhuman spawns are nothing more than robotic niggers.

This is how a real Aryan speaks.


a82d0c  No.672336

File: 405df77bcb29c7d⋯.png (803.22 KB, 1500x1400, 15:14, 1453792372765-3.png)

So why is it a seemingly commonly accepted belief that Iran's conventional forces would handily beat NATO in a regular engagement around here? I mean, we ARE talking about the same Iran that fought a very long, bloody and unsuccessful war against Iraq which was a country that everyone also believed could easily trample all western armies at the time. And well, we all know how they actually stacked up. I don't see them growing any stronger than they used to be after the Iran-Iraq war simply because of how poorly documented that clusterfuck was. And the reason why no one really knows what even happened in that war was because it went terribly on all sides and the inbred sand people would rather cover up their defeats instead of learn from them. Which is how it ended in static trench warfare with tanks, jets, helicopters and pretty much every tool that should have made trench warfare obsolete.

The main reason why we don't go to war with Iran is because the general public is tired of sandbox wars and suspicious of any war in that general area after the 2003 Iraq invasion was seen as a massive waste of time, money and life by all but the most boomer of boomer neo-cons.


5c5436  No.672342

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>672336

America isn't allowed to operate at full power, the ranks are filled with women and brown people, training has been made easier for said women and brown people, and ever since Vietnam (the last real war America fought) the public has made a stink about causalities. It's a bloated shadow of its former self tangled in bureaucracy and the MIC which is why these wars are fought in the first place. If America can't take care of fucking Arabs and Afghans, the latter who's been in a civil war for over 40 years then what makes you think they'd win against the only good military in the middle-east with soldiers who are defending their country and up against a country they hate versus Call of Cletus and the mestizo maidens who only want free tuitions and a Dodge Charger.

>we ARE talking about the same Iran that fought a very long, bloody and unsuccessful war

Trench warfare and Iraq getting funded by the entire world, Arabs suck shit at fighting and will lose without outside support. The niggers in Syria wouldn't have lasted 6 months without the west funding them, and Syria would've lost without Iran and Hezbollah.

>how poorly documented that clusterfuck was. And the reason why no one really knows what even happened in that war was because it went terribly on all sides and the inbred sand people would rather cover up their defeats instead of learn from them.

America got rid of all evidence and files pointing to helping Saddam especially giving him mustard gas and Iran isn't very open to the rest of the world let alone their fucking government files, and Iran has only been strengthening itself since then. How do you know they haven't learned from it, they've only been fighting any real wars and they haven't declared war on anybody since 1798.

>Which is how it ended in static trench warfare with tanks, jets, helicopters and pretty much every tool that should have made trench warfare obsolete.

Same could be said for WW1 with fighter planes and the Mark V. Saddam wanted to end the war in 1982 after Iranians pushed them back into Iraq but Khomeini didn't want to end the war because no one liked him and there is no other great unifier than war.


f2c3eb  No.672346

>>672336

We are still taking too much precedence from history.

I expect it's gonna be a tougher fight than Iraq since Iran is more unified, while USA is lacking in men, morale and their stuff are getting real old.

I do not expect NATO to join in either, maybe some support from the UK + France. Well, it's not like the rest of NATO is relevant.


c0eac1  No.672347

Can we just glass the middle-east yet. The world would be a much better place.


336a7d  No.672349

>>672301

>The Battalion Commander wanted to kick the Bahram Chah antpile so he could get his CAR and call in A-10 strikes on piles of rocks

God, what a fucking waste of time that was.

>3rd LAR does it their deployment too just for shits and gigs

There isn't a single Marine Combat community as kiked out and useless as the LAR community.


5c5436  No.672350

File: 4179afa1eda6691⋯.mp4 (10.58 MB, 640x360, 16:9, gulf war.mp4)

>>672347

It was America who meddled in the affairs of the middle-east by creating Israel with Britain, and supporting the side of whatever gets them oil and makes them money which is what they even did in the Iran-Iraq War under the table. You're fine with spics, the actual threat to your stability, replacing you and turning your country into Brazil apparently but how can those sand people ask to be left alone and fight the ZOG in their front yards like it's still the 2000s and all my knowledge comes from Modern Warfare death screen quotes. You are a monolithic blob of a nation with no culture outside the Appalachian mountain range in which at least a fifth of those residents are inbred, drug addicts, inbred, and/or obese. In fact America is the only white country (as of now at least) in the world where the poor are obese and the rich are skinny and healthy.


856518  No.672351

File: 8d3e7b20ec84b78⋯.jpg (7 KB, 259x194, 259:194, index5.jpg)

File: 3503c159cfe2d64⋯.jpg (41.39 KB, 634x699, 634:699, 4ACE3B2900000578-5576345-i….jpg)

what if Iran hires the Mexican Army and they arrest the carrier task force?


c0eac1  No.672352

>>672350

Shut the fuck up sandnigger. The middle-east was already an inbred shithole long before America was even conceptualized as existing. You festering, rat-like people have been a plague on the world since time immemorial that should be wiped out completely.

>yOu LiKe SpIcS

Nice strawman, faggot.


163159  No.672355

File: 4e446baf2916d27⋯.jpg (96.04 KB, 908x641, 908:641, 4e446baf2916d27adbb99dd189….jpg)

>>672351

We'll just sell the little strip of land 100 foot wide on the Southern border to Israel and they'll build the wall for us and bomb the Mexicans


049e64  No.672357

File: 367c3a06d6f2bda⋯.gif (1.98 MB, 345x260, 69:52, 367c3a06d6f2bda02f9789f0a0….gif)

>>672350

>by creating Israel with Britain

>"i get my historical knowledge from /pol/ threads"


5c5436  No.672361

File: 9084a0a72e2922f⋯.jpg (72.78 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 6701_america.jpg)

>>672352

>your post was so puny and uninspired I didn't see until the thread got bumped

Persians/Iranians kept their language and culture distinct even with their own superior branch of Islam from the likes of Arabs and Turks (your allies) whose entire culture revolves around Islam, sex and war. If you didn't come here you would think all of Europe are Bavarian and French stereotypes.

>shut the fuck up sandnigger

I am 100% Scottish and live in Maine, you live Germantown or some other tacky retarded name for a town lined with fast food franchises and run-down gas stations among tweakers and illegal immigrants. Pic related, it's you.


049e64  No.672362

File: af4a3e08c40ee37⋯.png (431.66 KB, 3520x1324, 880:331, ClipboardImage.png)

>>672361

>I am 100% Scottish and live in Maine


c0eac1  No.672368

File: 0b7ab64eeac2da5⋯.png (285.93 KB, 417x384, 139:128, 0b7ab64eeac2da550c8c2f4884….png)

>>672361

>Scottish

Ah, so you're genetically predisposed to be a faggot. Good to know.

>superior branch of Islam

You can polish a turd but at the end of the day it's still a turd.


5c5436  No.672370

>>672364

>>672368

t. half-white protestants


a82d0c  No.672387

File: f3429428b605585⋯.jpg (96.88 KB, 800x518, 400:259, 800px-DM-SC-92-03658.jpg)

>>672342

Your entire first point is exactly what everyone said leading up to the two gulf wars. America doesn't want to get their hands dirty with potential casualties, America's military industrial clusterfuck makes AH-64s that can't fly and M2/3 Bradlys that do nothing but explode, America couldn't fight nam' and they can't fight a real army like Iraq which is poised to take Europe and remove all babies from the incubators because longnose tribe said so!

The second point I really don't quite understand what point you're trying to make. CIA niggers using moderate beheading videos were able to get Assad on his knees, weeks before being wiped out, until Russia staged a direct intervention. So what makes you think that Iran up against NATO would stand any chance against regulars with likely no direct Russian intervention?

Your third point is a total non-sequitur. The CIA niggers hiding their nigger tricks has nothing to do with the sandnigger top brass on both sides intentionally destroying all records of their failed campaigns to save face and turn around to do the same mistakes that got thousands killed in the last battle because they would have to admit they are wrong and would have to change their perfect tactics.

But the trench warfare was slowly changing again with the invention of the Tank and the slow adoption of infantry automatics like the MP-18 and Pederson device. But by the time such devices and the proper tactics for them were discovered, the war was over. Iran and Iraq had all of armored warfare history, the closing stages of WW1, the north African campaign of WW2, the fall of France, Barbarosa, Kursk, the Normandy breakout and battle of Arracourt, and even the seven day's war and NVA Vs AVRN tank engagements in nam' to learn from. And yet they didn't learn a god damn thing and did WW1 all over again with shit tactics because they are like Chinks and beyond learning from history.

>>672346

I think taking precedence from history is impossible to not do because its all been literally said before.

Iraq supposedly had the best of the best the USSR had to offer and the US was coming at them with M60s from well, the 60s. That being said, when has Iran gotten an equipment upgrade? We know they have definitely run out of F-14 parts by now as no one has seem them flying around recently. I doubt they have parts for their M60 tanks ether.

US morale and confidence was in the gutter in the first gulf war too. All the TV talking heads were saying they were put there to be a speedbump for Saddam and none of their equipment would work. And with the totally unexpected curbstomping that was given I find it hard to believe that Iran would fare any better.

The rest of NATO won't make a difference. They pretty much only exist to get all the press, use our ammo and fuel and be targets for hot dogging A-10 pilots who can't tell the difference between a warrior and a fucking BMP.


68cc1b  No.672428

>>672357

You are right. Subhuman anglos tried to back out of a deal with kikes but got fucked up.


b3c906  No.672430

>>672387

>with likely no direct Russian intervention

What makes you think that? Russia gets a lot of its oil from Iran. They can't afford to let the country fall.


6479e6  No.672431

>>672331

Lad marine command is composed of Germans.


b3498e  No.672432

>>672431

Do you call the yankee "anglos" still, you crooked teeth fuck?


b3498e  No.672433

>>672431

Beside, didnt you get mad when the mutts wanted to cut off their britkike "heritage"?


cee69e  No.672442

>>672361

MSG is literally just a salt, why do people freak out over it so much?


b3c906  No.672446

>>672442

There was a report a few decades ago that implicated MSG in causing migraines.


20561f  No.672448

>>672336

>unsuccessful

I mean Iran did successfully defend itself from Iraqi invasion.

As for the rest, the majority of Iran is mountains and hills, as opposed to Iraq which is mostly flat. In other words, ideal terrain for gorilla warfare and ambush tactics, something NATO is piss-poor at countering, as can be seen in Afghanistan but also in Yemen.

>>672387

>We know they have definitely run out of F-14 parts by now as no one has seem them flying around recently.

They bought a lot of planes from Russia and have supposedly started to manufacture their own planes.

Also if you think Russia isn't going to prop up Iran you must be off your rocker.


6479e6  No.672449

>>672432

>>672433

You are one salty roach.


88e8ef  No.672452

>>672449

>Muhammad calling me a roach

A turkroach would actually be grateful for the (((anglos))). Crimean wars, remember?

Maybe thats is why the cockroach vol is lwtting you running loose. It just feigned huwhite "nationalism" until the braindead abo fucker gave it the vol position.


8c2256  No.672458

>>672452

You are calling a greek a roach, you sound like a butthurt roach to me.


ef5924  No.672471

>>672458

Oh please, another shitskin attempting to call me a turkroach. Can you even call a t*rk a roach, sperggook? Consider that you are actually lower than those cockroaches, in every department.


56c94d  No.672486

>>672430

Russia produces its own oil though.


f284c5  No.672489

>>672226

Weird how they told us all about the poor Polish Jews, Gays and Gypsies who died in Auschwitz :( and how antisemitism was completely unknown to Poles until the evil Germans arrived in 1939 they actually said this word for word in some gay propaganda documentary.


3139c7  No.672504

File: fc33fc15df6f76a⋯.jpg (85.47 KB, 750x501, 250:167, walus.jpg)

>>672489

>mfw jewish propaganda is the same everywhere except with country names swapped


6479e6  No.672509

File: 6f38503932656d7⋯.jpg (93.46 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, 731097d92d2a7ea334cb6f9249….jpg)

>this one arse agitated jerry


856518  No.672523

Bolton reminds me of our Assisstant Vice Principal at our Jr High.

I was as if he was trying to fuck up everything he touched.

But no matter the failures, he always acted like was God's Gift.

He came up with shit like staggered lunch and recess, that instantly turned into "extended lunch" because all the kids in class were only paying attention to WTF was going on outside.

Everytime he'd come up with something you would know it was only matter of time until some excuse was found to undo it.

He actually got fired, but not instantly removed, just told "there will be no Next Year for you", so he started Suspending anyone for any reason, until that farce had to be smacked down and undone by some big Black Mammas.


6cc676  No.672543


8c2256  No.672555

>>672471

Wow, vietnamese lower than roach? In your dream, roach.


dcbaf4  No.672559

>>672555

Ackshually

>Bygone Turkey

-Strong

-Feared

-Terrorized Europeans for centuries

-Developed

-Had own music, culture and art

-First to adopt guns in the West

>Today Turkey

-Bigger, richer country even just by a little

-Real modern weapons

-Not manlets

-Lots of things going for them, like getting both NATO and Russian shit to get that nuke capability

So kraut is right, you are indeed lower than them. Especially since you don't identify with your northen gooks, so you literally don't have anything to brag to them.


dcbaf4  No.672561

>>672559

Actually, scratch that modern roach economy part. Turks are richer than rice monkeys, that is a fact.


2bf42b  No.672564

>>672559

>Not manlets

>Turkey

jej bahahah


aa79ef  No.672565

>>672564

Compared to rice monkeys, at least.


5c5436  No.672570

>first paragraph

As I said Arabs can't fight wars let alone win them, there's a difference between the two cultures.

>I really don't quite understand what point you're trying to make.

Arabs have to rely on external support in order to win a war. If the rebels weren't funded by the west and had their spec ops fight among them the Syrian military would've wiped out the rebellion relatively quickly but that didn't happen. Assad was slowly getting chipped away until Iran and Hezbollah joined the fray in 2013 I think and then practically won when Russia got involved.

>what makes you think that Iran up against NATO

What the Czech said basically, if they can't take care of ragtags in Arab sand fields why would they lose against an army trained to fight in ambush conditions with equipment in better shape than the hajis. Also they call Afghanistan the graveyard of empires for a reason, that's why even Britain stayed the fuck away from it after having to deal with three wars against them and only managed to get an alliance out of it with no troops stationed.

>no direct Russian intervention?

Are you serious.

>turn around to do the same mistakes that got thousands killed in the last battle because they would have to admit they are wrong and would have to change their perfect tactics.

The modern state of Iraq and Iran, dating back to the 1920s, never fought a war and didn't account to as the 20th century middle-east was (relatively) largely peaceful at least for those two, Lebanon and Afghanistan. They didn't take warfare seriously but with the middle-east in chaos and the west breathing down their necks for last 40 years it's not crazy to propose that Iran has learned from the mistakes of that war and how war has changed since the age of cavalry and sword, the Islamic uprising jihad doctrine died with Khomeini even in their society somewhat. There's also the political state of Iran at the time when everyone realized that supporting Khomeini was a mistake and people started to turn against him which is why the war was fueled for such a long time. In a war are you going to go against your own people when the foreigner is at your door or fight with them?

>We know they have definitely run out of F-14 parts by now as no one has seem them flying around recently. I doubt they have parts for their M60 tanks ether.

Russia is an ally who's given them new planes, and Iran has been using machinery licensed to them from when the shah ruled and make their own equipment even if most are just copies. In fact most of their armor and artillery is domestically produced.

>All the TV talking heads were saying they were put there to be a speedbump for Saddam

TV has always been bullshit and journalists don't know shit, being in a time when journalism wasn't a glorified blogpost doesn't mean anything. Also if they thought the military was weak then wait till they see it now, things have gotten worse although not to them. You can't tell me that women in charge and a significant portion of women in the military aren't a detriment because they are let alone the diversity hires, virtue signalling and the shift of tactics to waiting to shoot a few guys in the mountains and huts. Oh yeah there's also the war games they've been losing too since the turn of the century notably a Swedish submarine taking out an aircraft carrier.

>and none of their equipment would work.

New technological gizmos from the 80s were said not to work?

>The rest of NATO won't make a difference.

And you talk of Iran being unable to defeat NATO.

>>672486

Yet they still buy oil from Syria and Iran.


46dba1  No.672602

>>672486

So does the US but you can bet that we'd go to war if someone attacked Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.


f2c3eb  No.672609

>>672559

>>672565

I smell roachling, at the end of the days, Vietnam still has:

- better food

- better women

Thus it is better than roach shit.

All that finance and military shit are depended upon the era.


5c5436  No.672612

>>672559

>strong

Only against the unarmed.

>developed

Credit to the Byzantines, and Anglos and Germany supporting them.

>culture

Their culture is stolen from those they conquered and their food are inferior copies of middle-eastern cuisine.

>real modern weapons

G3s and modern tanks aren't spectacular and equipment is only as good you can utilize. The Turkish military is fucking shit, worse than the Arabs even and barely above chinks. They won at Cyprus only because the Greeks gave untrained locals guns and told them to shoot, Greek denizens know more than I however.

>lots of things going for them

No one respects them, they just pat his head and wave his desire to be part of economic unions like a carrot on a stick.


1d9acc  No.672613

>>672612

>Greeks gave untrained locals guns and told them to shoot

We didn't give them shit, our politicians were all CIAniggers. Cyprus was a little island with WWII equipment against Turkey. And yet, the Turks suffered way more casualties than they should have. The Cypriots somehow shot down aircraft, blew up over a hundred tanks and prevented the turks from going past Nicosia.

The only Greeks that managed to land on Cyprus were volunteers acting on their own, bringing their own equipment. The politicians didn't send a single aircraft or ship. The military had already put up plans to roflstomp the roaches but the cianiggers didn't take any action.

Did you know what the Turks' F-104s and F-84F were shot down by literal .30 Brownings?

Also reminder that the eternal anglo had sided with the turk.


5c5436  No.672614

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>672613

>Also reminder that the eternal anglo had sided with the turk.

Even when they were shooting at them.


1d9acc  No.672615

>>672614

God I can't wait for war. There is absolutely no chance that I won't be killing civilians on sight. All for revenge


5c5436  No.672617

File: 4e065d90627c39d⋯.png (12.21 KB, 184x178, 92:89, 7718216.png)

>>672615

What about the females who'd pass? Also as much as I'm aware of Turkish behavior your haughty attitude will end in an embarrassing death prematurely to your goals, and the shoehorning of Turkish and Albanian genocide in threads borders on LARP regardless if feelings are genuine. Hatred is very detrimental in the long run and should be used sparingly to prevent yourself from wearing out, and such serious extreme emotions become cliche and meaningless from the individual the more they act upon them; it turns your insides into hot air after cooling down and you become a fuming teakettle, nobody probably wanted to say this because we all hate/dislike Turks and Albanians and no one wanted to hurt your feelings.


1d9acc  No.672619

File: 2a122a9ffed9e72⋯.jpg (181.81 KB, 800x609, 800:609, 244.jpg)

>>672617

>What about the females who'd pass?

Rape, then a bullet to the head

>LARP

Westerners cannot comprehend actual hatred because none of them have millennium-old enemies. Genocide sounds extreme or edgy to you, but here in the Balkans it's a thing we all want to do to each other sooner or later, hopefully sooner. If a war happens then I will have absolutely 0 reasons to not commit warcrimes. What a bunch of worthless human rights organisations think doesn't matter in the slightest. Millions of angry mudslimes volunteering against us to take revenge doesn't matter in the slightest. Causing maximum possible casualties is the goal. It never was a larp. When it comes to the Balkans, things such as the Geneva convention cease to exist


5c5436  No.672621

>>672619

I meant impregnate the white "ones", there is no doubt Greece has Turk genetics intermixed in their population so why not take the women they took back. And I know you are serious and understand your situation but I am just making sure you're real and hope you will live up to your words, and speak of it when appropriate. Have you even killed a Turk before?


f2c3eb  No.672622

>>672621

Imagine so fucking lusty that you want to fuck roaches.


46dba1  No.672624

File: a987e73f69be39e⋯.jpg (120.55 KB, 638x1000, 319:500, MV5BZWYyMzJiMjQtMTRiNi00YW….jpg)

>>672622

I've heard of that movie.


1d9acc  No.672626

File: 6d921f9a7d4d458⋯.jpg (274.8 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, 54.jpg)

>>672621

>Have you even killed a Turk before?

Haven't we all?


e7983c  No.672628

File: c00c4ffb5089530⋯.jpg (9.51 KB, 217x320, 217:320, 29e.jpg)

>>672626

>mfw in a "black" as fuck frontier unit

>mfw only 3 hours of sleep per day, one leave per month, anally-recessive officers and commander, constant heavily guarding and heavy equipment maintenance and second highest suicide rate in the Aegean, a primary high priority target for turkroaches in case of war and a dump for "undesirables" mostly Russo-Pontic bydlos with no high-school degrees, also inexcusably frigid for a subtropical island during winter

>mfw when the only redeeming qualities were firepower and taking three digits numbers of roaches down with you before the roach air force sinks your part of the island and full authorization to shoot "tourists" with cameras venturing too near to your camp during peace time, which was more frequent that one would normally guess

>mfw spent 5 months of my life there and never got to remove kebab when two roaches had been removed just one series before mine


a77846  No.672629

>>672609

Roaches still have millions of spawns from Euro slaves, and muh food is a nigger tier argument.

So you have only muh food.


f2c3eb  No.672630

>>672629

>Roaches still have millions of spawns from Euro slaves

Which are all roachlings.

>and muh food is a nigger tier argument.

Food culture is one shield against enemy subversion you fool.


a77846  No.672631

>>672612

Thats the point the emu made. They were still strong enough to terrorize Europe, while rice gooks barely made it out alive in every war. Tell me when rice gooks actually waged conventional conquests against Europe and won just one time, one battle. Did they even open a conquest into chinkland, like EVER?

But sperggook is just a loud mouthed bug no better than a roach anyway.


a77846  No.672632

>>672630

>ooga booga we have no tanks, no jet, no modern weapons, no pull, less clay

>we have msg laden "food"

Oh wait, I forgot Im wasting my time with a boat bug.


e7983c  No.672633

Instead of bullying the junglegook you should be giving him free gibs and help him take all the clay up to Xinjang since his so eager to remove roaches.


f2c3eb  No.672634

>>672632

>ooga booga we have no tanks, no jet, no modern weapons, no pull, less clay

These can be built or bought, once the food knowledge is lost, it's lost.


f2c3eb  No.672636

>>672631

This is like saying orcs are better than hobbits because orcs terrorize humans while hobbits just have food.

I'd rather stay with hobbits than orcs, don't know about you, roachling.


5ffc35  No.672638

>>672633

Loud mouthed shitskins usually go nowhere and waste their gibs easily. Go for turks and boat bugs.


f2c3eb  No.672639

>>672638

A loud mouth roachling calling other people loud mouth, LOL


e7983c  No.672649

File: 4d02339fa10f63d⋯.jpg (17.36 KB, 512x360, 64:45, 180802141719_1_540x360.jpg)

>>672636

That's a surprisingly good analogy since Orcs were inspired by turks and since SE Asians have Homo floresiensis genes.


1d9acc  No.672653

File: b36565f1fc12333⋯.jpg (281.17 KB, 950x950, 1:1, __original_drawn_by_erikku….jpg)

>>672628

Every nanometer of Hellenic land is holy and must always be guarded and defended at all costs. Your miserable time there makes me fall asleep fast and calm at night, knowing that in case of sudden war, the roach niggers will have to lose 4 digit casualties trying to go pass you first

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8c2256  No.672656

>>672649

The hobbits are the fucking irish but it fits either way.

I just want my cozy life with all food and drink, man.


6479e6  No.672716

>>672656

I think more broadly they were supposed to represent country living something Tolkien saw destroyed in his lifetime which is probably why he has the shire burnt down in the end. To represent a victory that came at the cost of irrevocable change to what the hobbits loved most.


954f36  No.672718

>>672121

I'm unironically wishing these braggarts finally get (read: create) justification for their dream war and invade Iran. The Zagros mountains will be the grave of the short-lived American Empire.

I honestly do care about the lives of the soldiers who will die fighting in such a pointless war as the front line fighting forces are still overwhelmingly composed of white men. That said, there is no quicker way to bring down this house of cards than to pick an unpopular, pointless fight against the one enemy weak enough for our incompetent leaders to delude themselves into believing in an easy victory yet strong enough to inflict casualties not seen since Vietnam or even Korea. The American Empire would bleed itself dry in terms of men, money, and popular support to the point where civil unrest in the homeland would finally rise out of control.


08ea7b  No.672719

>>672619

>none of them have millennium-old enemies

What about jews?


954f36  No.672720

>>672336

>So why is it a seemingly commonly accepted belief that Iran's conventional forces would handily beat NATO in a regular engagement around here?

Who said anything about a regular engagement? If there is one thing the US government got right when labelling the Iranian military a terrorist group, it's that the Iranian military has learned how to fight like a guerilla/insurgent force, except with the professionalism of a trained army. If you look at what Iran's military has focused on as well as what they've been exporting in terms of tactics, training, and equipment, you'll see that they are planning a war in which they will win by monetary and political attrition. They're prepared to do unconventional things like trading five dozen cheap missile boats for one American missile destroyer or disperse an entire division to live amongst the locals in their mountainous regions, having them coalesce seemingly out of nowhere to launch massive, professionally coordinated raids against unsuspecting American FOBs and patrols, only to disperse into nothingneas before air support can arrive.

The American Empire stands upon a very shaky foundation and the Iranians appear to realize the true scale of America's internal problems. It won't take much to push their American public over the edge and the Iranians are setting themselves up to do just that.


df9783  No.672811

>>672720

>The (((American Empire))) stands upon a very shaky foundation and the Iranians appear to realize the true scale of America's (((internal problem)))

Israel right?


6479e6  No.672813

>>672811

No the extent of America's internal problems are endemic all the way up. It's a late stage oligarchy about to collapse from all the greed and nepotism and the problems are not isolated to the federal system either.


1d9acc  No.672817

>>672719

There isn't a single western country where over 80% of the population wants to conquer Israel and kill kikes on sight.


df9783  No.672820

>>672813

being a financial economy that's built on extracting the most wealth from working people that's beholden to international moneyed interests has nothing to do with it?


20561f  No.672821

>>672811

Just imagine

>Iran builds a nuke

<"Fuck off with your sanctions and shit or we'll use it"

>"Sorry, we don't negotiate with terrorists, lol"

<"We will use it on Israel, not USA"

>"N-now let's calm down and talk about it, shall we?"


5c5436  No.672823

>>672570

meant for >>672387.

>>672811

>>672820

Saying ooga booga Israel doesn't cover or explain anything and it's still America that will fall.

>>672821

Wouldn't Israel blow up the entire planet or make America madder.


6479e6  No.672824

>>672820

Of course but there's no point partially reforming a system while leaving the bad actors in play, you'd have to completely reform they way business and government interact and that's your people lining their pockets at the expense of their governed not zionists not Israelis not foreigners of any kind. Big money has always made nobility and power in america and that needs reforming and that has been going on long before the kikes got their feet really under the table in the 1920's.


05225a  No.672837

>>672823

>Wouldn't Israel blow up the entire planet

The Samson option is the drum they like to beat everytime an Islamic nation starts developing nuclear weapons.How they would launch nukes at every capital city in the Middle East and North Africa. Its mostly an empty threat, unless some Arab alliance made it to Jerusalem/Tel Aviv, I highly doubt even jews are destructive enough to launch nukes willy nilly


16bba8  No.672839

>>672837

Even if they do, that wouldn't be the end of the region, much less the world.

I pray every day that the kikes overplay their hand.

I pray for the final eternal holocaust for real this time


20561f  No.672840

>>672823

well, anon, imagine you are the leader of a country bled dry by foreign embargoes whose populace is being enticed by foreign agents to overthrow you and hang you on the nearest tree. In such a situation, there is no reason for you not to go nuclear - if enemy backs down, you prevented a coup. If he doesn't, you get back at him for getting you in this situation and get to live as people will be too busy trying to survive the ensuing nuclear holocaust to bother with finding and executing you. You and your cadre of loyal comrades will wait it out in a nuclear bunkerand then either resume ruling (if population somehow doesn't want to murder you) or change your identity and cash out in Bahamas or something, content in the knowledge you brought thermo-nuclear ovens to Israel.


1d9acc  No.672842

>>672839

>I pray for the final eternal holocaust for real this time

Take another moment to imagine it. What a sight it would be. For the first time in the history of mankind the jew would be brought down once and for all. Their cities burning, civilians rotting in the streets, politicians hanging and children impaled on 40 foot long rebars. Ours huge banners hanging from the walls of Jerusalem, a reminder to the world of the rightful owners of this land.


16bba8  No.672843

>>672842

And the shitskins will thank you for that too!

have to take care of a certain crooked teeth "people" "on our side" who always like to mess things up first.


1d9acc  No.672846

>>672843

We'll just completely blockade these crooked teeth people and wait for them to starve or beg for forgiveness. We alone have the navy capable of doing it, imagine how much easier it would be if France gave us a hand


5c5436  No.672949

>>672811

>>672823

Also not all of this is Israel's fault. Israel didn't control or were directly involved with the higher-ups taking up their buddies contract or the guy who paid the most over the best choice available, and swallowing their own propaganda and overestimating their own strength.


f2c3eb  No.672963

>>672949

Aksually, Israel lobby gives power to these companies, which will then give the american tax-funded tech to Israel.


0728e7  No.672964

I would like to see Bolton being forced to march in front of the Troops that he wants to send to Iran.


46dba1  No.672967


1083b4  No.672976

>>672967

Probably just massaging dissident quarters for a newscycle, like his imaginary Syrian pullout.


662a61  No.672992

>>672387

>And with the totally unexpected curbstomping

Not really unexpected, It all comes down to air and armor, and of course numbers.

We were able to assfuck their little twink migs with our superior air force, and then we sent behemoth nigh indestructable titanium monsters against their ye olde soviet conscript cooker. And to compliment all that, a full naval force with tomahawks and loads of machine gun weilding grunts. It would be hard for anyone to go toe to toe with such an american force as the americans.


6479e6  No.672993

>>672992

No one that intends to fight the U.S. ever plans around direct confrontational engagements. They do what U.S. command hates which is guerilla action to bleed the U.S. slowly.


662a61  No.672995

>>672993

I'm sure the brits know ALL about that, especially after we spanked your little redcoat asses and made you our bitch. MURICA'


c04576  No.673018

>>672992

>Gas

>Attacks

<what are you going to do sanction Iran?


ae942a  No.673075

>>673018

pull the napalm out of storage?


9533b9  No.673078

>>672387

>>672992

>Invading Iran is easy.

>I am a burger and I must speak.

Jesus Christ on a stick open an atlas once in you life.

The only you cunts can even get INTO Iran would be by doing an opposed landing… which no-one has even wanted to try since guided missiles are a thing for a very good reason.

Then if you somehow manage (there isn't that many ports with the capacity the USN would need, Bandar Abbas and Bandar-e Emam Khomeyni both of which are extremely easy to defend since they're not open sea ports and layers upon layers of defenses… One of them is the lock of the Hormutz straits. You know the place the USN hesitate to send a CSG already because the Iranians always have fun doing snap exercise and test shooting missiles in their vicinity, so yes I do question the capacity of the USN/USMC, best in the fucking world and gazillions of ships to actually pull it off. It probably can… but it's certainly not gonna be "easy"), congratulation you now have to conquer a country that hates you is 4 times the size of Iraq and is Afghanistan on steroid when it comes to landscape and where every hidden cave system is habitable since the dawn of human history and that has been stockpiling ATGMs and MANPADs in hope of your arrival since the 1980's.

You can probably defeat Iranians regulars but what would come next will make Vietnam look like a fun resort trip and Iraq a beach vacation…


5c5436  No.673086

File: 10a9dbaa6e1bcab⋯.jpg (72.06 KB, 600x400, 3:2, US soldiers wearing high h….jpg)

>>673078

WOO WOO WOO USA USA TECHNOLOGY=FTW.


705a6c  No.673099

These are all literally normal and pre-planned deployments that people are running away with as "muh ww3"


1d9acc  No.673100

>>673086

dog bless amerigas


f71816  No.673131

>>672121

Bolton can be the frontline of the first attack as infantry.


78c14f  No.673185

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>673078

So how many Carrier battle groups/Carriers/Carrier escorts/landing craft/Marine divisions/F-35s/Political officers would Iran have to shoah inna burger invasion before the Burger Kingdom erupts into civil war?

Would Slav and Chinkland do anything of note following the loss.jpg of six gorillion $ worth of USN assets in the region besides laughing their sides into orbit?


56c94d  No.673191

>>673185

how many are Saudi Arabia and Israel willing to pay for?


cacaf9  No.673217

File: 924eb646c50fbc5⋯.jpg (103.16 KB, 1024x998, 512:499, 1557587740245m.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Does 'Murica even stand a chance? :^)


694b81  No.673228

>>673217

Can't sink the Navy if it sinks itself hitting tanker traffic in the Gulf first.


86fc66  No.673231

File: 5ce70eb432ac46c⋯.jpg (189.08 KB, 1462x1462, 1:1, 798.jpg)

>>673217

>Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.


cc99b2  No.673233

>>673231

>>673228

>>673217

The start to WW3 is going to be hilarious.


9533b9  No.673238

>>673185

Each time there is an actual problem the USN dispatched 3 CSG covering each others to fell safe enough to close in Hormuz with armed intentions. The idea clearly being having enough planes in the air to strike as soon land and boats with AShW reveal themselves and enough massed CIWS/SHORAD to block incoming missiles.

>>673228

>Implying IRGC won't turn tankers into gigantic SBIED.

I mean that's what I would do if I was a snackbar. Hell make a hole in one and light the oil…

That's one of the many many problem with dealing with Iran they can literally just clog the straights with flaming tanker wrecks and mines.


367eef  No.673243

File: 7f188bc54e914a1⋯.png (79.1 KB, 1716x746, 858:373, ClipboardImage.png)

>>673217

Reminder that MC2002, while not entirely bullshit, was heavily flawed internally.


662a61  No.673248

>>673185

>before the Burger Kingdom erupts into civil war?

As much shit as the navy get's, it is still a vital thing for the balkanized states of former USSA. If/when a civil war does erupt, then the navy/uscg will be one of the few forces other than the detterence that will be the angry hornets nest, that will stand in the way of foreign intervention/invasion. Without a strong navy on all coasts it's essentially open season for american dirt. chances are, if everyone decides to gang america at once, there will be a lot of artificial reefs around the coast, and a lot more red dawn scenarios in a lot more places.


13335d  No.673253

File: 05f908c0a52a565⋯.png (379.32 KB, 604x616, 151:154, ClipboardImage.png)

Carrier currently off the coast of Yemen:

>Was just informed that CVN-72 and her strike group have successfully navigated the Bab-el-Mandeb strait

>Carrier is now just 2000 kilometers away from the shores of #Iran.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1127295159350308864


13335d  No.673255

File: bc50675cafdce93⋯.png (35.98 KB, 733x263, 733:263, ClipboardImage.png)

>>673253

Breaking: #Iran has deployed cruise missiles & SRBMs on vessels within the Persian Gulf.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1127264051598327808


c9c5fa  No.673256

>>673253

What would the US do if Russia or China did that?


c9c5fa  No.673260

File: d7da015de7034eb⋯.jpg (471.59 KB, 1475x969, 1475:969, Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Fo….jpg)

Can't Iran just overwhelm those ship's anti missile systems by Macross missile launch Qassam's? There are only so many missile tubes on those ships, and only so many anti missiles in those tubes.


ef5ea4  No.673263

>>673260

They got shit better than that to use. I don't think spamming a rocket cruder than mine is a good use of time when you have MLRS available.


c9c5fa  No.673270

>>673263

But do they have enough to saturate?


46dba1  No.673291

File: d5ed0daf56a08d1⋯.jpg (44.73 KB, 620x522, 310:261, soon.jpg)


7274a6  No.673299

>>673253

>carrier is now just 2000km from the shores of iran

Being over 200km off on that measurement should be a fireable offense for whoever wrote that article.


9533b9  No.673304

>>673243

Their main complain was "shit appeared out of nowhere" and "we couldn't use our amazing stand off and OTH capabilities" and "he acted as if the enemy could coordinate himself without EW interception", that's cheating.

The reality is Hormuz straight is not even 50km wide on average, shit WILL "appear" out of nowhere be it coastal defenses or modern versions of torpedo boats and the USN will not be able to use OTH capabilities, which is exactly what was Red job to simulate and as for the last point both Iraq in 1991 and Russia in 2014 proved it was perfectly possible to move and coordinate formations in near complete radio silence with good operational planning, until the fighting starts.


46dba1  No.673316

>>673304

I think the US is suffering from a "too much magic" problem. We can't conceive of anyone else being able to manage without high technology and we're reduced to blathering morons when our tech is taken away or rendered moot.


2874e6  No.673317

File: 81f04f2fdab825b⋯.gif (1.18 MB, 300x188, 75:47, Sad.gif)

Is there any downside to the U.S. not having any presence at all in the middle east? Why the fuck can't we just leave and never come back?

>inb4 because da joos won't allow it

I know that, but hypothetically speaking, would there be any downsides to just letting the sandniggers kill each other while we just watch from the other side of the planet?


eda2ba  No.673318

>>673317

Lack of oi- oh, wait the US is a net exporter now.

Your arms industry would go into a downturn as you don't need as much shit to chuck at goatherds anymore.


86fc66  No.673320

>>673317

>>673317

>would there be any downsides to just letting the sandniggers kill each other while we just watch from the other side of the planet?

Mostly ideological downsides, but then again you aren't Greeks or Romans so you shouldn't care that much about conquering the entire middle east.


cd6979  No.673325

>>673270

That's the question isn't it


705a6c  No.673326

>>673317

>Why the fuck can't we just leave and never come back?

US imperial power is locked in to control of the MENA region for both energy reasons and prevention of other powers consolidating the Eurasian landmass

ideology is secondary to the business of empire there.

>>673318

>US is a net exporter now.

nope, we're still a net importer due to domestic demand

plus our oil reserves are bottom of the barrel shit tier and massively overstated. Most of the extraction and refining of domestic US oil runs on debt because it's not financially viable to extract and sell, but politically it's important to do so.

>>673260

>Qassam's

you do realize the Iranians have actual weapons right? They have large numbers of asms that are fairly modern.


6479e6  No.673328

>>673326

Is U.S. energy independence a meme, have you got any links?


705a6c  No.673329

>>673328

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/12/09/no-the-u-s-is-not-a-net-exporter-of-crude-oil/#9e27a644ac1a

you can also just flat out check the eia site info

while imports of oil have declined since the highs of mid 2000s, we're not anywhere near energy independence and likely never will be


20561f  No.673330

>>673317

None bar loss of international influence. We'd go back to a multi-polar world with several superpowers of which none holds absolute hegemony over the world. Essentially, the state the world was in during the 19th century. The world is moving in that direction anyway, mind you, but not as quick. On the flipside, it'll git america twice as hard when it does, as it's going to expend more and more of its resources to maintain its superiority for a little while longer, when one day it finds it just has nothing more that it can give and it'll all come crashing down like USSR.


20561f  No.673468

File: 6438fa536ed1983⋯.png (4.96 MB, 2040x1360, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)

>“An aircraft carrier with at least 40 to 50 fighter jets and 6,000 personnel was a serious threat for us in the past, but is now a target and threats have turned into opportunities,” Brigadier General Hajizadeh said.


86fc66  No.673473

>>673468

>but is now a target and threats have turned into opportunities

Finally meme carriers will die off. They work fine against goat niggers, but against anyone armed with missiles they're easy targets that are very hard to miss.


8c2256  No.673478

>>673468

Goddamn the US is over, the bluff is called.


067e96  No.673480

File: a8f68f48655bd95⋯.mp4 (7.84 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, make_your_dreams_come_true.mp4)

>>673468

=WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!?==


78c14f  No.673484

File: a074a72b3a21a34⋯.webm (15.24 MB, 640x480, 4:3, Yukikaze_04.webm)

>>673468

Arsenal battleships with vertically launched drones because lockheeb when?


46dba1  No.673486

>>673473

Do you think battleships will make a comeback?


8c2256  No.673487

>>673486

We need something that can BTFO missiles while being cheaper than missiles.

Can anyone tell me why flak cannon doesn't work again? Too slow?


067e96  No.673490

>>673486

Not in a sensible military, but I'm sure that Lockheeb will start a new division to build nuclear battleships with rows and rows of railguns. Hint: railguns are shit.

>>673487

They do work, they are just being ignored. Look up the OTO Melara 76mm cannon and its DART ammunition.


20561f  No.673501

>>673486

no, surface fleets are rendered obsolete by missiles and satellites. The future of Navy likely lies in submarines (can't detect them from space, can't rape them with missiles), although those too will likely be tailored for either logistics or sub-warfare – you can't shore bombard from a sub (and you don't even want to - you have airforce to bombard shit and do it better than you could) meaning their only purpose would be to safely transport men and cargo where cargo ships would be in danger of missile strike, and to protect subs with men and cargo from enemy subs.


eda2ba  No.673502

>>673501

>you can't shore bombard from a sub

That's what underwater launched missiles are for.


067e96  No.673503

File: dab71c5e68cde07⋯.jpg (92.5 KB, 909x391, 909:391, Surcouf_FRA.jpg)

>>673501

>you can't shore bombard from a sub

Not with this attitude. Realistically speaking though, a small purpose-built submarine (a "submarine monitor") could work once you've established enough control over the area. I don't say it's a good idea, but it could be done. Just look at this last hurray of naval gunnery from the 1970s for inspiration: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_8-55_mk71.php


21ea4e  No.673506

File: d562b00ccfbab72⋯.png (150.76 KB, 600x375, 8:5, ClipboardImage.png)

>>673468

>>673486

>>673484

Arsenal Gear when?


067e96  No.673515

File: e9d6e94e8c4b3f1⋯.jpg (217.78 KB, 640x517, 640:517, U-848.jpg)

>>673501

>>673503

Actually now that I think about it, your transport submarines have to stay on the surface while they are unloading their cargo. Of course the best case scenario is to do it in a friendly port; but if you don't have that then your best bet is to continerize everything and use amphibious vehicles to haul those containers to the shore. You should do it in a place where the enemy can't interfere, but you should be ready for the worst and give some self-defence armament to those cargo submarines. A modern deck gun can work as an AA gun, as CIWS, light artillery, and it can deal with smaller enemy vessels, therefore it would be perfect for this job.


78c14f  No.673518

>>673501

What about purpose-built arsenal "submarines"?

They'd have limited combat capacity when submersed and can't submerge as deep, long or well as a true submarine, but in exchange carry enough vertically-launched munitions to cause considerable economic downturn amid a Chinese port or two before submerging again to escape enemy ASMs.


f2c3eb  No.673548

>>673490

>OTO Melara 76mm cannon

>On 27 September 2006 Iran announced it has started mass production of a marine artillery gun, named the Fajr-27, which is a reverse-engineered Oto Melara 76 mm gun.[1]

ohshit.jpg


217145  No.673730

File: f015a9deef17473⋯.png (320.46 KB, 619x601, 619:601, ClipboardImage.png)

Trump Administration prepares multiple military options for #Iran, including airstrikes and setting up ground invasion.

>When President Trump’s top national security advisers met for a classified meeting at the Pentagon last Thursday, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan laid out several U.S. military options for Iran, separated into two distinct categories: retaliatory and offensive.

>The revised Iran options ordered by John Bolton, President Trump’s national security adviser, have different degrees and redlines for escalation, ranging from airstrikes to targeted incursions, Pentagon officials told Newsweek. Defense Department officials who have been briefed on the details of the updated military plans for Iran agreed to speak with Newsweek on condition of anonymity. Pentagon officials confirmed a report published in The New York Times on Monday outlining an option to deploy as many as 120,000 U.S. troops to the Middle East if Iran initiates an attack on U.S. forces or continues to work on what the U.S. has alleged were secret nuclear proliferation objectives.

>Pentagon officials told Newsweek that if deployed, the role of the 120,000 U.S. forces would center on logistical support and developing infrastructure to preposition U.S. forces for the option of a ground invasion. The original 120,000 would integrate into an additional surge of U.S. forces sent into the region. American special operations forces traditionally play a heavy role both during and after battlespace preparation, defense officials added but said their use would depend on the Iranian scenario and the varying degrees outlined in the escalation of force matrix.

>Contacted by Newsweek on Tuesday, the Pentagon referred questions to the National Security Council, who had not responded in time for publication.

>Among those who attended Thursday’s meeting with Shanahan: national security adviser John Bolton; Marine General Joseph Dunford, the top U.S. military officer; CIA Director Gina Haspel; and Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence. Defense Department sources told Newsweek the attendees were on the same page in terms of the options presented citing Haspel as a “professional” and Shanahan as a “yes-man” for President Trump. However, sources said the classified meeting at the Pentagon is standard and not unusual when there are escalation factors to consider. One Pentagon source said the meeting does not equate to the United States beginning the early stages of war. Instead, it was a show of force against Iran and part of a strategy aimed at diplomatic resolution. "It’s just flexing muscles," the official said.

>Senior American officials told the Times the preliminary options show how threatening Iran has become. A Pentagon source told Newsweek if anything is likely to happen involving the preliminary Iran options, it would involve a heavy guided missile strike campaign in an attempt to lead Tehran to the negotiation table with Washington. "It depends on the escalation of force. But no matter the bravado from Iran’s side, when you get hit it with 500 missiles every day, it degrades you, which is the objective. When your opponent is weak, you get more out of any negotiation," said one official with knowledge of the Iran plans.

>Since coming to office in early 2017, Trump has sought a new nuclear deal with Iran, unilaterally abandoning the agreement signed in 2015 by the two countries, along with China, the EU, France, Germany, Russia and the United Kingdom. Though the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly verified Iran's compliance and other signatories have continued to support the accord, Trump has accused Tehran of using sanctions relief granted in exchange for restricting nuclear production as a means to fund militant groups and ballistic missile activity.

>Trump's strategy was previously limited to a maximum pressure campaign of economic and diplomatic isolation, but recent events such as Iranian threats to close the Strait of Hormuz and a series of mysterious "sabotage" attacks against oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman, less than 100 miles away, have led to a new spike in tensions. It is not clear if President Trump has been briefed on the updated Iran options, but Pentagon officials told Newsweek the House and Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committees will be briefed but the American people should not expect strong opposition given the current climate on Capitol Hill.

https://archive.is/ihP71

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-iran-military-airstrikes-invasion-1425365


f2c3eb  No.673733

>>673730

My god, no man on Earth wants to depose so bad.

And to think I was woo'd by him back in 2015. Shame on me.


cc99b2  No.673734

>>673733

A lot of us fell for the "maybe things might not be shit meme". Oh well, going to be hilarious to watch the US get its shit slapped and cry about it.

Imagine the absolute look on everyone's face when a carrier gets shrekt by an anti-ship missile.


7b76e7  No.673737

>>673734

aren't they more likely to throw missiles from bases in Iraq? like Saddam?


eda2ba  No.673759

>>673734

I hope the Iranians are bros and we get to see a livestream of the combat. I want to see the crewmen going from absolute confidence that they're going to fuck another stable ME-country over to futilely running for their lives.


78c14f  No.673766

File: e9093a57671acea⋯.jpg (19.27 KB, 300x300, 1:1, 90935791.jpg)

>>673730

>When your opponent is weak, you get more out of any negotiation," said one official with knowledge of the Iran plans.

B-but I thought killing you're enemy makes them win???


20561f  No.673769

>>673734

It seems the key to get a boomer turbo zionist elected is to have him run against a "progressive" turbo zionist


9533b9  No.673777

>>673730

Well if it's like 120 they threw at Assad's to vaguely destroy one building, Iran has nothing to fear.


d7e8a5  No.673778

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.


9533b9  No.673780

File: f39cd3db2307cfc⋯.png (6.78 MB, 1903x3918, 1903:3918, syrian airstrike autism.png)

>>673777

(For those that forgot)


46dba1  No.673787

>>673730

What a neocon piece of shit he turned out to be.


049e64  No.673795

>>673780

Didn't over half of them just crash almost immediately after launch?


5b9f3b  No.673803

>>673317

>Why the fuck can't we just leave and never come back?

Why would your owners let you leave, when they gain nothing by you leaving?


9533b9  No.673808

>>673795

According to NATO it was a resounding success with ZERO interception or problems.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180414184122/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/allies-dispute-russian-and-syrian-claims-of-shot-down-missiles

Which means that the pics posted are showing no less than 105x 1000lb warhead impacts…


5c5436  No.673811

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>673759

Iranians are extremely bro-tier.


46dba1  No.673813

>>673808

So are they lying or are the missiles extremely shitty?


6479e6  No.673814


049e64  No.673817

>>673808

>a resounding success with ZERO interception or problems.

But didn't zognald himself say half of them were intercepted?


20561f  No.673818

>>673808

>Which means that the pics posted are showing no less than 105x 1000lb warhead impacts…

Had it been 105 mortar grenades or something, I might even believe them, but who the fuck looks at that pic of Barzeh, where half the buildings are still fucking standing, and goes "yeah, 76 1000lb missiles hit that thing."?


758735  No.673819

>>673818

Boomers, obviously.


ebb622  No.673821

>>672121

So is there a credible reason as to why this is happening or is it just Wag the Dog?


ff3ee9  No.673824

>>673821

Short answer: jews

Long answer: jews, boomers, and big military companies, but mostly jews


3129e0  No.673825

>>673821

ZOG doesn't really need to make excuses anymore. An UAE oil tanker will experience minor engine trouble and zognald will blame it on experimental genetically modified Iranian ant soldiers, then proceed to order a massive missile strike against Tehran which will go off half-cocked with 90% of the missiles crashing into goats or being shot down. In impotent frustration and to prevent international embarrassment zognald will then unleash his hoard of tranny mulattoes with guns into Iran. Russia will hack the US chair force and force them to 9/11 their own military bases; all US naval ships will be stopped and their crews arrested by Iranian policemen on rubber speed boats; US tanks will make it about 10 miles into Iran before Iranian children shove yams down their main gun barrels, and when they fire they will explode Loony Toons style; and the boots on the ground will have to stop every 25 miles for diaper changes due to the number of PTSD-inducing palm tree sightings that Iranians just might be hiding behind. Every 2 miles the boots will stop and shoot in every direction for covering fire, each soldier doing a full 360 circle in full auto. At night the Iranians will set up boomboxes playing a mixture of Iranian folk neo-caliphate "polka with arab characteristics", keeping the boots from sleeping while simultaneously radicalizing the 1/10th arab mutts into fragging their own camps. For every bottle rocket launched by Iranian teenagers the US will send around 1 million dollars worth of munitions to shoot it down before it can detonate and trigger the PTSD of the boots with their loud popping. After around 5 years of all of this, the US will have gained a few square miles of sand which will be harvested and imported to China for glass making, costing in total around 10 trillion dollars and the lives of 30,000 zogbots


20561f  No.673827


049e64  No.673832

File: c3a5025d413325c⋯.png (157.1 KB, 815x558, 815:558, ClipboardImage.png)

>US government seething at us and releasing official press releases because our generals are saying that there's no threat from Iran and there's no need to evacuate Iraq

http://archive.is/AO2rj


5b9f3b  No.673838

>>673832

I can't help but to wonder what this clown world looks like from Iranian perspective.


6479e6  No.673839

>>673838

Same as it ever was the great game continues, old empires fall new ones rise.


9533b9  No.673841

>>673813

>are the missiles extremely shitty?

It depends for what. To shoot at goat herders they work.

If you're not it's tech from the 70's… have you seen a car from the 70's?

What probably happened is that with the joint modern AA and jamming, basically only the JASSM and the UK air launched Storm Shadow (french air launched storm shadow seem to have only hit once and suffered terminal guidance jamming as there was impacts within 1km radius not on the pic, but only 1 on target. French specialized press reported naval ones didn't even made it to Syria, which was to be excepted as they were more of a live test on a very unproven system than anything else) got through.

Which surprise no one. Tomahawks were showing signs of obsolescence by 1991 (after a decade in service and about 15 since the first flight)… some of the most modern soviet SAMs they had did shoot some down (and they weren't very modern), thinking a subsonic missile with a bigger RCS than most modern polymer jets is gonna go through AA made to intercept shit going at Mach 2 (if not way faster) with said smaller RCS is completely delusional.

So the new ones got through due to being more jamming resistant (except the french made ones) and hiding in the swarm of tomahawks helped.

Which makes perfect sense… so much it might even be what they were going for in the first place.

A single Arleigh Burke can fire a stupid amount of those old missiles. Hide some JASSM from a B-1 in the mix and they can go through even very recent Russian AA. The real strike is the B-1 the Burke is just a very expensive decoy launcher.

It's insanely wasteful going by the price of a cruise missile but hey! You can always have the Fed print more money!


476818  No.673855

File: 43f40333c4df823⋯.webm (13.25 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Iran denies US accusation….webm)


eda2ba  No.673870

>>673855

Doesn't matter.

America needs a war so the (((military-industrial complex))) can get paid and Iran is on the hitlist of their (((greatest ally))).

We can only hope America loses this one and the American Empire finally prolapses.


049e64  No.673872

>>673870

This, I hope we can go full reverse Suez on the mutts.


78c14f  No.673886

File: c5892abe65efb59⋯.jpg (52.84 KB, 628x562, 314:281, a_wild_jew_appears.jpg)

Could this all be a big scheme to get rid of surplus Super Hornets with the intent of accelerating the procurement of F-35Cs?


d98b24  No.673888

File: 75fdd9111f9a782⋯.jpg (122.91 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, Ah shit, here we go again.jpg)

>>672121

>Bolton: US deploying carrier strike group and bomber task force as warning to Iran

Ah shit, here we go again.


78c14f  No.673900

http://archive.is/2Q5ii

I wonder when the CIA will discover a convenient cache of leftover WMDs autographed by Saddam himself.


d30cde  No.673917

File: 980fa5a0b899600⋯.png (452.59 KB, 620x421, 620:421, ClipboardImage.png)

>>673872

>Britain

>reverse Suez

Are you going to call China and Russia to cockblock them? You sure aren't doing it yourself.


6d7af4  No.673939

>>673917

>the eternal Anglo pic

>mfw Brits were Jewed even before most of the world was

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli


e4f59a  No.673969

>>673939

well no shit the jews migrate to the most successful and prosperous country where they can pursue the most shekels and power


f2c3eb  No.673970

>>673969

What is worse is that they actually start believing in it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

The very motherfuckers still exist now saying WE WUZ JEWS DAWG.


e4f59a  No.673971

>>673970

cuckinsanity was the beginning of the end


f2c3eb  No.673973

>>673971

It's true.

Goddamn the romans took upon that curse and spread it all over Europe.

No matter what the christians say, where the christians go, the jews follow.

Even leaders like Charlesmagne has a court jew advising him.


86fc66  No.673974

>>673971

>>673973

Orthodox Christianity is the only true form of Christianity. God hates our enemies and he hates the jews too. You cannot go to heaven unless you kill a faggot or a kike


e4f59a  No.673975

File: 326a74f0cdeb1c3⋯.png (122.9 KB, 787x646, 787:646, 326a74f0cdeb1c3b29a5b914eb….png)

>>673974

christianity is a sect of judaism that was created by jews. (((god))) doesn't exist, and even if he did, he would be the enemy. you should worship the gods of your ancestors like Zeus and whatnot, your country has arguably the most famous mythological pantheon of all

not replying anymore 'cause I don't want to derail


35c02e  No.673981

>>673975

The Greek pantheon is just another rehash of the 12 ancient ayy lmaos.


f2c3eb  No.673984

>>673974

Orthodox is kind of a shitshow because how much it is controlled by the KGB/russians.


6d7af4  No.673985

>>673984

Wasn't the KGB disassembled in 1991 and replaced with the FSS in 1995?


f2c3eb  No.673988

>>673985

Nah, that's just Putin's bodyguard.

High ranking KGB just becomes the modern ruskie government.


20561f  No.673989

>>673984

Except orthodoxy is not a centralized religion and what goes on in Orthodoxy in Russia has no effect on what goes on in Orthodoxy in Greece.


f2c3eb  No.673991

>>673989

I'm having trouble believing that considering the recent schism between Russia/Ukraine tbh.


20561f  No.673992

>>673991

The schism is exactly what I'm talking about, though. Ukraine is pissy about Russia, so it seeks to divorce itself from the Russian Patriarch and have their own autocephaly. It's perfectly illustrating my argument; how do you think it's the opposite?


8c2256  No.674002

>>673992

I thought it's the reverse, and it's the Russian patriarch who wants to throw a piss because the ukrainians are ultra-nationalists and dare to disagree with mother Russia/KGB?

And it's funny that Constantinople sides with Ukraine.


8942c8  No.674003

File: b5ca8cb631279dc⋯.jpg (177.42 KB, 960x1280, 3:4, rembrandt_14.jpg)

>>673975

>you should worship the gods of your ancestors like Zeus

If you had any knowledge of Greek mythology you'd know Zeus was literally a bisexual rapist, incest lover and a massive asshole. (((Christianity))) is objectively way less degenerate.

t. atheist

>>674002

Fun fact: modern russian orthodox church is a stalin's 1943 re-creation so the demoralized soviet cannon fodder could stop thinking he's an antichrist, and even in earlier centuries Constantinople has never acknowledged its independence.


20561f  No.674008

>>674002

>I thought it's the reverse

Then maybe do elementary research next time before shitposting. Even a minute glance at anything about the topic would show you that Ukraine is trying to form its own autocephaly, ie trying to form an orthodox church independent on russian orthodox church, not the other way around.

>ukrainians are ultra-nationalists

Yeah, that's why they're sucking cocks worldwide to be let into the EU globohomo club and NATO, because they're oh so nationalist. That's why they just elected a guy who "will do everything to ensure that Ukraine can apply for European Union membership in 2024". Real top nationalist, m8, basically Fourth Reich


8c2256  No.674010

>>674008

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/russian-orthodox-church-splits-constantinople-ukraine-181015201851549.html

You can see it m8.

Ukraine wants to be independent, Constantinople recognizes it and Russia now cut all ties to Constantinople.

If you are actually nationalist, you would want your own church, so I don't see the butthurtness of Russian over Ukrainian church.


8942c8  No.674011

>>674008

>EU globohomo club

So according to you your own country is shit. Why do you hate yourself so much?


8c2256  No.674012

>>674003

>If you had any knowledge of Greek mythology you'd know Zeus was literally a bisexual rapist, incest lover and a massive asshole. (((Christianity))) is objectively way less degenerate.

Zeus is kind of an asshole.

The jewish god is a genocidal maniac who has never been clear on his own power and the christians make him into a schizo with 03 personalities.

I'll take Zeus the Alpha over "him".


20561f  No.674013

>>674010

You are just repeating what I just said. Ukraine wants its own autocephaly, yes, and the fact it can do so proves that the Orthodox church is not centralized.

>>674011

>you have to love the decisions of you government, even if it actively tries to destroy its own people, otherwise you aren't a nationalist

Wew. Are you some hohol version of a boomer? But go ahead and join the EU, enjoy the feeling of it rotting your country from within, and keep telling yourself that being in it is peak nationalism.


8c2256  No.674014

>>674013

But the Orthodox "brothers" in Russia does not recognize their brothers in Ukraine.

It in fact does not recognize its indepedence at all.

How exactly can this be if the Orthodox is "decentralized"?


8c2256  No.674015

>>674014

And the Catholic has its own schism as well, the SSPX.

You might as well say that the Catholic is decentralized since it can form its own cult/schism.


20561f  No.674016

>>674014

>How exactly can this be if the Orthodox is "decentralized"?

How could anything be truly decentralized if the various independent pieces were unable to disagree with each other? If a catholic bishop decided he is no longer answering to the pope, that he is independent, he would cease being a catholic. He would be a heretic. But Ukraine is still orthodox, still part of the faith, still not some kind of a heretic, still able to freely interact with other autonomous churches, such as the ecumenial patriarchate in Constantinople.


8942c8  No.674017

>>674013

>decisions of your government

Of the very government you've elected m8. Objectively you don't live in some kind of a khmer rouge dictatorship and no amount of flaws will change that.


20561f  No.674018

>>674017

>Of the very government you've elected m8

And I never claimed Czech republic is ultra-nationalist, did I?

>you don't live in some kind of a khmer rouge dictatorship and no amount of flaws will change that.

What even is this false dichotomy bullshit? <"Look, you aren't being openly genocided, so you can't criticise anything :DDD"


8c2256  No.674021

>>674016

>If a catholic bishop decided he is no longer answering to the pope, that he is independent, he would cease being a catholic.

Apparently not if you are SSPX.

>But Ukraine is still orthodox, still part of the faith, still not some kind of a heretic, still able to freely interact with other autonomous churches, such as the ecumenial patriarchate in Constantinople.

Unless it's Russia and its own enclave of church.


3b4dfe  No.674032

>>674021

>Unless it's Russia and its own enclave of church.

A hohol orthodox is still considered orthodox by russian church. He is not considered a heretic. You seem to think that the church should be both decentralized and always in agreement, but that's completely retarded. If it was always in agreement, it wouldn't need to be decentralized in the first place; history of orthodoxy is rife with with different autocephalies having radically different opinions from others and the disputes between the ancient patriarchs are still known about to this day. That's the whole point of being decentralized – your autocephaly is not bossed around by some other one and governs itself, even to the point of sometimes preaching different things (within reason, of course). That means that should one autocephaly become compromised, it doesn't affect the other ones, whereas if the Pope and college of cardinals get compromised, all of Catholicism is.


3b4dfe  No.674033

>>674021

also

>Apparently not if you are SSPX.

<"Tensions between the society and the Holy See reached their height in 1988, when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without the Apostolic Mandate and against a personal warning by Pope John Paul II, known as the Écône consecrations, resulting in Rome issuing a declaration of excommunication against the bishops who consecrated or were consecrated."

They got fucking excommunicated.


5c5436  No.674044

File: b33446171c592b6⋯.jpg (48.42 KB, 488x410, 244:205, 1452810462526.jpg)

>>674003

>Zeus was literally a bisexual rapist, incest lover and a massive asshole.

Alpha, while there are truths in Christianity the saints and figures of it seem to be more esteemed than god who as a person is just as insecure as humanity, the great "spirit" in Christianity is something to strive for I guess but god is either an asshole impossible to appease, left us, or died long ago.


3b4dfe  No.674045

>>674044

>but god is either an asshole impossible to appease, left us, or died long ago.

If you think that, why do you also think that Zeus is alive and well?


5c5436  No.674046

>>674045

Pagan gods are dormant rather than dead. Pagan religions are based more on philosophy, nature, and more relaxed than Abrahamic religions where god sits at the top of the pyramid and represents all, this god isn't very tangible and requires years of study and esoterics to grasp so the teachings of god from these higher ranks of the religion hold more merit than he does. These are all theories and all religions are based on the truth to the real existence so they have their right and wrong theories, not to sound like an all religions have meaning hippy. This spiritualism is also entirely religious f.e. Nietzche's nihilism.


5c5436  No.674047

>>674046

*isn't also


3b4dfe  No.674049

>>674046

>Pagan gods are dormant rather than dead.

Can I ask what in the world makes you think that? Like, do you have some actual pagan holy text saying:

>Zeus then went into hibernation, uttering the holy phrase "Caesar was my top dog, I can't believe you cunts murdered him, you can all go get fucked and smoke my dick, I'm leaving the stage for this Jesus dude for the next two millenia until I'm brought out of stasis by burgers posting cartoons on a mongolian basket weaving forum"

or something like that?


eda2ba  No.674052

File: c25354f8d7b5ab9⋯.jpg (29.05 KB, 302x400, 151:200, stcyprianofantioch.jpg)

>>674003

>(((Christianity))) is objectively way less degenerate

You've clearly never heard of St. Cyprian, the Saint of Necromancers, moralfag. He was a cool guy though, just like Zeus

>>674049

Unlike the Judeo-Christian god, pagan gods are forces of nature. As long as there's lightning or rather people fearing lightning/having strong feelings towards lightning, Zeus lives.


3b4dfe  No.674053

>>674052

>pagan gods are forces of nature

No they aren't, they're significantly more personified than the Christian god. They aren't some sort of an alegory; that's just neo-pagan invention aimed at justifying the fact that their gods "lost" to the christian one, and has no historical basis. Ancient pagans believed that was a literal, physical entity calling itself Zeus that physically threw down lightning, which is why they sacrificed valuable resources to gods to appease them.

If you want to go back to some sort of spiritualist animism, that's fine, but stop pretending you are some sort of direct continuation of ancient religions


8c2256  No.674073

>>674032

>A hohol orthodox is still considered orthodox by russian church.

The ukrainian orthodox is not recognized by the russian church, whatever that means.

>>674033

>They got fucking excommunicated.

>Discussions between the Holy See and the Society of Saint Pius X towards an eventual reconciliation have been ongoing. For years after the 1988 consecrations, there was little if any dialogue between the SSPX and the Holy See. This state of affairs ended when the Society led a large pilgrimage to Rome for the "Great Jubilee" of 2000.

>Nine years later, on January 21, 2009 the Holy See remitted the excommunications of the Society's bishops that it had declared at the time of the 1988 consecrations and expressed the hope that all members of the society would follow this up by speedily returning to full communion with the Church.

Apparently not anymore, so yes, the Catholic is decentralized and they respect each other.


8c2256  No.674076

>>674049

>Can I ask what in the world makes you think that? Like, do you have some actual pagan holy text saying:

The Illiad.

Zeus issued a decree to stop interfering with the mortal wars, and then he stops interfering with the mortal world altogether after the huge disaster that was the Trojan war.


3b4dfe  No.674077

>>674073

the ukrainian orthodox autocephaly is not recognised, but its faithful are. And even the clergy of the autocephaly is still recognised as orthodox. They aren't regarded as heretics – it's a clash of church politics and is recognised as such, it is not treated as a heresy against the faith itself, like it would in a centralized religion. Why is this so difficult to understand to you?

>Apparently not anymore, so yes, the Catholic is decentralized and they respect each other.

Are you an idiot? Excommunication is the heaviest punishment the catholic church is able to mete out. There is nothing worse that it can actually do to punish someone nowadays. It means you are expelled from the church itself. The 2009 mercy they gave is followed with the hope they will repent and rejoin the church. This isn't the church being decentralised, this is the church fervently wishing it could purge the heretics, but since it's too weak to do so, it tries to coax them back into the fold.

>>674076

Did other Gods follow suit, then? And what of the various pagan gods outside of the Hellenic pantheon? And if he stopped interfering with the mortal world altogether, then what is the point of worshipping him? He won't lift a finger to help you as that would be interfering.


8c2256  No.674079

>>674077

>the ukrainian orthodox autocephaly is not recognised, but its faithful are.

I don't know what the fuck does that mean? How the fuck does some bitches in Moscow have the power to "recognize" another nation's church? That's exactly the problem with Christianity.

>Are you an idiot? Excommunication is the heaviest punishment the catholic church is able to mete out

Yet given and easily remitted, after just over 10 years.

>This isn't the church being decentralised, this is the church fervently wishing it could purge the heretics, but since it's too weak to do so, it tries to coax them back into the fold.

The fact they are unable to exercise their power means it's "decentralized".

>Did other Gods follow suit, then?

Athena remains the last "canonical" helping of a mortal in Odysseus, the rest do follow suit.

>And if he stopped interfering with the mortal world altogether, then what is the point of worshipping him? He won't lift a finger to help you as that would be interfering.

Because he's the greek's ancestor, he created them thus they need to worship him.


8c2256  No.674081

>>674077

>And what of the various pagan gods outside of the Hellenic pantheon?

Depend on the myth and the region, the norse pantheon, following the Ring of Nibelungen also closes themselves off and waits for Ragnarok. The chinese ones never actually die and are continue to be worshiped today, same for the japs.


988a94  No.674083

>>674079

>>674081

Please stop derailing this thread.


8c2256  No.674085


33fc7d  No.674113

File: f0d15312f925cf9⋯.png (194.88 KB, 1167x944, 1167:944, 1999 quote fr William Pier….png)

>>672136

>>672137

>>672146

Dr.William Pierce warned us about Trump in 1999.


20561f  No.674594

>Trump tries to pull North Korea and first threaten with invasion, then say he's ready to negotiate

<Rouhani tells him to go fuck himmself

>“I favor talks and diplomacy but under current conditions, I do not accept it, as today’s situation is not suitable for talks and our choice is resistance only,” Rouhani said, according to Iran’s IRNA news agency.


50afc5  No.674600

>>672121

Now the question is: How do you bet against a swift US victory?

Buy stocks of US military suppliers? Oil options?


19c4d8  No.674610

File: 9b89340bd8b0aa4⋯.png (273.54 KB, 614x660, 307:330, ClipboardImage.png)

>>672121

It's over (((we))) won!

>US response has 'put on hold' the threat from Iran: Pentagon chief

https://archive.is/XsRj5

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1130845846138904577


72dbd6  No.674611

>>674600

The eurozone is set to crash within a month. Every indicator is in the red.

Liquidate everything you have in euro, buy some 50-45% chink and russian bonds, 10/15% of gold and around 40% of solid shares heavily biased in asian markets.

Buying oil in such period is risky as fuck, if the US lose the dollar will shrink (it already is) so will the economy and the barrel is completely linked to fuel consumption for worldwide trade.

Both China and Russia have already started discreetly dumping the $US.


be6d4b  No.674625

File: 7669e03312d35a5⋯.jpg (19.73 KB, 370x278, 185:139, mission accomplished.jpg)


692b6f  No.674627

>>674611

>The eurozone is set to crash within a month.

Now that's definitely an interesting claim. Is the euro that heavily dependent on USD?


55e9dd  No.674630

>>674627

Isn't the election going on this week?


20561f  No.674686

>>674630

>euro parliament

>mattering

Reminder that the ones who actually call the shots in EU are the comission, which is not elected


c4612c  No.674689

File: aa550ce16b26729⋯.gif (1.96 MB, 760x428, 190:107, orbán juncker slap.gif)

>>674630

Why would the election crash the eurozone? Even the so-called "eurosceptic" parties and politicians claim the "reform of the EU on a national basis" as their main goal to achieve, and if its the europhiles who win then we continue moving towards the United States of Europe-nightmare.


3d1d30  No.674690

>>672325

you forgot the part where he tried to hide the insecure hand crossing by rubbing them together and touching his watch.


72dbd6  No.674709

>>674627

>Is the euro that heavily dependent on USD?

Not really. But it's systemic. The world is entering a new recession (just look up the 10 Year/3month spread on US treasury bonds. This is the mother of all red lights) and the eurozone has exactly 0 maneuvering room (the ECB interest rate is 0 since 2016). The euro is a retarded system that is on it's last legs with an euro-zone that has virtually been on recession already those last five years. They burned everything down to save the banks in 2008 but they haven't (look up the Euro Stoxx Banks since 1995, that's the actual trade value of the eurozone, the values of the banks that trade in euro/ECU, their current value are about the same as before the ECU was invented and was just a "basket" of the various CEE money: AKA the markets judge the Euro as a reserve currency and found it wanting).

>>674630

>>674689

>Isn't the election going on this week?

Every serious projection shows there won't be a majority and it's going to be either deadlocked or foster completely counter-nature alliances.

So economic crisis + systemic problem + deadlocked institution + already festering social and political unrest.

If you have positions in €: you're an idiot.


72dbd6  No.674711

>>674709

If you must have position in Europe at least try to get "€ adjacent" (UK, Poland, Switzerland, Norway, etc).


3c454f  No.674716

>>674709

I don't choose a position in the EU, I just wanted to point out that I just can't see any politicians in the EU who would want to dismantle it. For all I care the whole thing could come down to crash, it would only further the Collapse, which is what I'm waiting for.


72dbd6  No.674717

>>674716

The economy has very little to do with whoever is in power at the time of the crisis it has to do with their constant continuity of bad choices for the last 20 years.

Every economist told that the euro without a compensation mechanism was a mistake in 2000, everyone told that it was a mistake to "save the banks" in 2008, even more so in Europe with the Greek/Spain/Portugal, etc… and not solve the fucking structural issue… well today it's France, Italy and even fucking germany that are gonna be incapable to pay their debts.

So what France Germany and Italy… you know the guys that take all the decisions the EU now that UK is leaving, are gonna let their own country crash and burn to save their banks?

Well no, they don't even get a choice, they've already wipe-out EU savings, they already have pushed EU bonds at their limits…

Default is the only path left.

Which mean the € is gonna crash and burn.

Everyone thinks the crisis is gonna comes from the Trump USA or Chinese "accounting" and their (cute) commercial war… but it's not.

The weakest actor of them all is the eurozone.


eda2ba  No.674723

>>674717

>Everyone thinks the crisis is gonna comes from the Trump USA or Chinese "accounting" and their (cute) commercial

I'd argue that that's going to be where it starts, but that's it going to topple the dominoes and some Euro banks are going to be hit and then the entire Euro will just collapse.

So, if you believe that Serbia started WWI, then you should also believe that US/China will start the Greater Depression.


78c14f  No.674729

File: 3f3c42bc9552aaa⋯.jpg (35.67 KB, 362x346, 181:173, kaguya question.jpg)

>>674709

>>674711

>>674716

>>674717

>>674723

What will Nips do in all this?


415ec5  No.674730

>>674729

Make nanking happen because chinks said it one time too many and exterminate both koreas.

Polish deathcamps soon, watch how it's done (^:


9b5751  No.674731

>>674730

>korea

You mean the imperial nature reserve with the squatter problem?


eda2ba  No.674733

File: ac6018848e4aa15⋯.png (241.79 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, japan.png)

File: b2e05ed919360f6⋯.jpg (60.92 KB, 467x605, 467:605, mishima-2.jpg)

>>674729

Re-establish the Empire, but with less nice play this time round.

天皇陛下万歳!


000000  No.674734

>>674611

>>674709

>>674717

Don't get my hopes up like this, Frog.

We both know it's going to happen eventually, whether it's all at once or a gradual decline until the West resembles Brazil or Venezuela; except every time it looks like it's gonna be the big one the Circles manage to pull out of the dive just shy of total collapse and kick the can down the road a couple years.


72dbd6  No.674735

>>674723

No, it's barely an issue, even if the US and china starts putting taxes on import/export and a have a bout of protectionism it's gonna be a null sum, it affect the day trade and some long/medium term investment but it's gonna have very little effect on the economy.

It's gonna start when Santander (spain) is gonna announce they're broke, shortly followed by at least the french Credit Agricole, probably several German and Italian banks which were completely overexposed to the Turkey crash of last year and have had suspiciously no losses (why? Because they hid their losses in junk products).

>>674729

>>674733

Nothing. Nip market isn't a free market anymore, the BoJ owns almost everything already. Nips are planning to devalue their currency (so they're stealth "nationalizing" everything to anchor the economy so it would go smoothly) but what they want is for as many morons to buy some bonds in old Yen until the day they have to default so they're doing it covertly enough most people don't notice.

And it's hilarious how well it works, that's how they're at a stupid level of debt (3x times the GPD) and people are still buying yen.

You can buy shares (of actual good companies, MHI and whatnot) with virtually no risk (as BoJ wants buys everything past a threshold), but do not buy yens.


78c14f  No.674737

File: 4921c80770e2c67⋯.png (651 KB, 935x935, 1:1, 4921c80770e2c6778910493db0….png)

>>674735

Would the EU crashing the World's finance with no survivors have any effect on the North Korean economy?

I wonder if Norks could benefit from it.


415ec5  No.674739

>>674737

There would be nobody left to enforce embargoes or have anything to actually embargo other than refugees (^:


20561f  No.674749

>>674737

>Would the EU crashing the World's finance with no survivors have any effect on the North Korean economy?

not unless the remnants of EU decided to no longer enforce embargo on NK


72dbd6  No.674753

>>674739

>>674749

Russia and China already barely enforce the embargo.

Meaning any obvious investment is prohibited but the main problem is that North Korea is a poor country with very little to sell besides mined minerals (that can't happen on a large scale because it would be very obvious… note that it does happens anyway, just not on the scale it could).


95e02a  No.674760

>>674735

And Spain had the best behavior out of the Eurozone before th crisis


95e02a  No.674761

>>674735

>BoJ owns almost everything already

Same as everywhere else then, this also handily explains the new, kike friendly approach to shitmigration


94d761  No.674769

File: d19f7151ad44560⋯.png (206.21 KB, 540x347, 540:347, ClipboardImage.png)

Pentagon mulling U.S. military request to send 5,000 troops to Middle East: official

> The U.S. Department of Defense is considering a U.S. military request to send about 5,000 additional troops to the Middle East amid increasing tensions with Iran, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Wednesday.

>Tehran and Washington have this month been escalating rhetoric against each other, following U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to try to cut Iran’s oil exports to zero and beef up the U.S. military presence in the Gulf in response to what he said were Iranian threats. The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the request had been made by U.S. Central Command, but added that it was not clear whether the Pentagon would approve the request. The Pentagon regularly receives - and declines - requests for additional resources from U.S. combatant commands throughout the world. One of the officials said the requested troops would be defensive in nature.

>It is unclear if any specific request will ultimately be presented to the White House. The request for 5,000 additional troops was first reported by Reuters. This appeared to be the latest request for additional resources in the face of what U.S. officials have said are credible threats from Iran against U.S. forces and American interests in the Middle East. The United States has not publicly shown any evidence of what the specific intelligence on the Iranian threat is.

>The Pentagon declined to comment. “As a matter of longstanding policy, we are not going to discuss or speculate on potential future plans and requests for forces,” Commander Rebecca Rebarich, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said on Wednesday.

>Acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said on Tuesday that while threats from Iran in the Middle East remained high, deterrence measures taken by the Pentagon had “put on hold” the potential for attacks on Americans. The U.S. military accelerated the deployment of a carrier strike group to the Middle East, and sent bombers and Patriot missiles to the region earlier this month in response to what Washington said were troubling indications of possible preparations for an attack by Iran.

https://archive.is/Au8NZ

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-pentagon/pentagon-mulling-u-s-military-request-to-send-5000-troops-to-middle-east-officials-idUSKCN1SS2XT


95e02a  No.674774

>>672570

>Assad was slowly getting chipped away until Iran and Hezbollah joined the fray in 2013 I think and then practically won when Russia got involved.

Assad would have flattened a town or two outright and ended the war before it started


ef5ea4  No.674783

>>674774

Old man Assad sure, the nerdy doctor not so much.


72dbd6  No.674847

>>674760

>And Spain had the best behavior out of the Eurozone before th crisis

If by "best behavior" you mean acting as THE clearing house for Latin America drug cartels…

When the crisis hit, Spain pretended to realize they had around 50% more new housing than they had families, yet nobody wondered what those gigantic swathes of empty houses that were build and then immediately walled off (I've seen it with my own fucking eyes) were being used for.


72dbd6  No.674850

>>674847

Also I said Santander but it's an example another example is everyone knows Deutsche Bank is gonna explode (it's currently traded at around 5€ a share and going towards 0, biggest bank in Germany ladies and gentlemen) just that it has the entire planet support so it shouldn't be catastrophic (the money it handles is 70% of Germany GDP, Lehman Brothers is your sister piggy bank compared to it).

Some Italian banks are also very well known to have as much as 50% of junk debts in their portfolios, etc…

Again when I say China's economical system, with all it's very well known shortcomings (semi-planned economy, bogus stats, corruption, crazy debts, etc…), is healthier than the one of the EU it should be fucking scary.


95e02a  No.674857

>>672336

>>672336

We could beat them in conventional fights, thats never been the question. The problem is that within any pretense of obeying laws of war and not commiting to genocidal campaigns, like the 2nd Boer War, we can't beat Iran down. They would likely eat us alive in battles of their choosing, like the worst bits of Vietnam combined with Iraq and Afghanistan.

They can't stop us from entering, but we can't stop them from IEDing, sniping and ambushing us into oblivion. And the moment some jackass goes full hardass in crushing all resistance, is the moment some of those IEDs jump into the kiloton range with bits of radioactivity thrown in for good measure

And it gets worse, since they could always load up a dirty bomb that fits in a box truck, smuggle that to South America, drive it up to and through Mexico, then drive it to NYC and set it off.

I mean shit, if they have nothing left to lose, they won't behave with any civilized restraints.

>>672342

>America isn't allowed to operate at full power

You are a stupid child. Israel has been ranting about Iranian nukes for 30 years now, longer than Iran has actually been trying for nukes. Even if Iran doesn't have them, it can be plausibly believed that they do. And even before that escalation, they have been stockpiling IEDs, the things to make IEDS, and ATGMs by the ton, and stockpiling them all over the country.

So occupying Iran is out the window. Bombing things to bits with our now hyper accurate weapons and extreme standoff capability is completely possible, but occupation? Not happening, never happening


95e02a  No.674860

>>672387

>And yet they didn't learn a god damn thing and did WW1 all over again with shit tactics because they are like Chinks and beyond learning from history.

Only applies to Iraq

Iran had the problem of running out of parts and its military caught in th emiddle of purges and reorganization

>>672387

>All the TV talking heads were saying they were put there to be a speedbump for Saddam

The Airborne forces explicitly were put there for that, and would have been exactly that had Saddam prempted the invasion and his soldiers hadn't been retarded.

>>672387

>And with the totally unexpected curbstomping that was given I find it hard to believe that Iran would fare any better.

Doesn't matter and isnt the point. Thee poin tis that occupying Iran is a hell no proposition, especialy with anything like pretending to be civilized


2c7fbc  No.674861

>>674857

>And it gets worse, since they could always load up a dirty bomb that fits in a box truck, smuggle that to South America, drive it up to and through Mexico, then drive it to NYC and set it off.

>worse

Think they can hit DC, San Fagcisco, Los Angeles, Shitago, Detroit, Austin, Langley, and any other cucked city too? It'd be more of a favor to us, tbh.


95e02a  No.674863

>>673317

If the kikes hadn't swarmed America with spics and then also called it racist to force to assimilate to the english language and then deindustrailize the USA and then done everything they had done, then I could answer honestly and say that yes,

There are downsides. Namely that China or somebody else will march over there and conquer it themselves and will become impossible to dislodge

But since the kikes forgot the bargain, the bargain of keeping America prosperous and in return, you could do whatever the hell you wanted overseas, ASSUMING WE HAD ANY ACTUAL STRATEGIC INTERESTS, then it doesn't matter

We should leave, redeploy to Venezuela, and call it a day


3b4dfe  No.675472

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Iran posted a video of launching its Qiam-1 missile


8d7282  No.675482

File: 0c447627ea547b4⋯.png (193.13 KB, 368x473, 368:473, kek.png)

>>673825

criminally underrated post


3b4dfe  No.675484

File: 6e0ac4a50a3f28b⋯.png (901.74 KB, 1259x656, 1259:656, ClipboardImage.png)

>>675472

>watch vid again

>notice pic related

Those madmen paint Yid flag on the ground so that they can stomp over it while working


cdf773  No.675507

File: 17560f72ad72f51⋯.jpg (34.7 KB, 260x354, 130:177, 17560f72ad72f516acaab7d322….jpg)

File: f0ecefa8f32b05b⋯.png (308.92 KB, 1624x1242, 812:621, 1493815227086.png)

File: 59c30826ec763a7⋯.gif (24.05 KB, 482x800, 241:400, 1431033388259.gif)


00405d  No.675515

>>675472

>>675472

Cant wait for muttmerica to fuck up.


cc99b2  No.675519

>>675515

I think everyone (except for boomers) is waiting.

This country needs a good bitchslap. Preferably nuclear.


de6942  No.675527

putting the boom in boomers


176943  No.676253

>>674611

>>674717

And it's official, Italy has voted on restarting to use their own currency.

https://www.momentoitalia.it/pa-lo-stato-accelera-il-pagamento-dei-debiti-anche-attraverso-i-minibot/69024/

https://archive.is/Gq5Zp

Law creating "mini-Italian treasury bonds", that while described as a "debt compensation mechanism" (something for which you don't need actual bonds) are clearly meant to be used for trade in between companies… AKA money.


176943  No.676254

>>674761

>Same as everywhere else then

No, not really.

While other central banks lend money to systemic banks that lend money to regular banks that lend money to companies, so yeah ultimately if the central bank call up those debts, it would eat everything as those debts are largely un-repayable so you can say they de facto "own" everything but it's an abuse of language, becasue doing so would collapse the economy with basically everyone becoming bankrupt… including the central bank (because the assets value would never cover the entirety of the debt, so they would still have a gigantic hole… and no one left to pay interests), so they would never actually do it.

The situation is quite different in Japan as the BoJ is actively buying Nip companies shares on markets to the point where it has reach an absurd level de facto making it a non-free market (so much shares are in the BoJ portfolio that any movement on it, BoJ sells shares or buy shares, that it cause directly Tokyo market to rise or fall… couple that to the fact that BoJ can print as much money as they want and you have the Moscow "market" prior to 1989).


9ebd8b  No.676257

>>676254

Do they use it to actively control all those companies, or are they doing it for the macro-level shenanigans?


176943  No.676258

File: 9efb8e0b3cbf79f⋯.png (4.95 KB, 240x240, 1:1, 240px-Japanese_crest_Igeta….png)

File: 48fb4d2e982e66a⋯.png (6.08 KB, 279x240, 93:80, 279px-Mitsubishi_logo.svg.png)

File: f26026d3e4940f4⋯.png (3.06 KB, 333x333, 1:1, Block5_logo.png)

>>676257

It's macro but nip companies are all so laterally integrated into the same framework (keiretsu), there is no clear boundaries between big companies/government.

Ultimately there are only two "companies" in Japan. Mitsubishi and Sumitomo-Mitsui. Everyone else works for them, one way or another.

Their level of government access is incomparable to anything (except South Korea/China where you can have similar Mega A to Z groups).

Add a healthy dose of nationalism, a "monopoly" spirit and a "state actor duty" history and it's not clear what's company policy and what's government policy.


78c14f  No.676262

File: 755650a0c2e317c⋯.png (147.51 KB, 1017x786, 339:262, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 60ae9c01d8ee4e8⋯.png (237.41 KB, 1395x1078, 1395:1078, ClipboardImage.png)

>>676258

>Ultimately there are only two "companies" in Japan. Mitsubishi and Sumitomo-Mitsui. Everyone else works for them, one way or another.

Megacorp-owned PMC air forces when?


176943  No.676270

>>676262

PMC owned by conglomerates are a thing of the PAST, not the future.

No company is ever gonna spend money on something complicated when they can outsource… states do military very well and they don't even bill you their services, you just need to spend pocket change on the right politician.


3b4dfe  No.676273

>>676253

>switch to a foreign currency that's entirely dependent on your richer neigbours

>be shocked as German economy outcompetes yours like its nothing while you have no tools to combat it through inflation or similar

>realise you're utterly fucked since Germany and co. aren't going to devalue their currency just because Italy is getting fucked in the ass

Every day, I am grateful we never jumped on the euro bandwagon. We were THIS close to joining that shitfest, but then economy crisis came, followed by Greece demonstratively an-heroing and normalfags soured to the idea, as we got spared the worst PRECISELY because we didn't have Euro.


9abf92  No.676274

>>676273

I never understood the idea behind sacrificing your own currency and changing to one thats value is mostly controlled/influenced by another nation. It would be just one more step towards the United States of Europe (and consequently towards the one unified global world government) with its finance being even more under Jewish control. If a nation is to survive, a more sensible approach seems to be the nationalisation of the banking system and forbidding anyone with more than one citizenship to be employed in it. That way, the nation could secure its control over its own financial matters without outside interests being able to take it over.


9ebd8b  No.676276

>>676274

The logic is that if you demolish all barriers of trade, then the economy will soar, and we'll be too busy enjoying all that wealth to worry about silly things like the future of our nation and the survival of our people. I'm not kidding, since ww2 the official doctrine of the West is that people are these drones without an identity that only exists to fuel the economy.


3b4dfe  No.676277

>>676274

>It would be just one more step towards the United States of Europe

That is the long term goal of EU. Like, it's something that was actually a fairly popular idea for a time (and remains popular in certain circles even today). Euro was adopted chiefly in alignment with this stance, even though it was laden with promises about how it'll help the economy (it did help… if you were germany or some other economic powerhourse. It fucked you in the ass if you weren't). Of course, for this to actually work, you would need to have an unified, common budget, so that regions experiencing economic growth (Germany) send financial help to regions experiencing recession (Italy). That how it works if you're a single country. But nobody wants that. It's not even on the table because the politicians themselves don't want it – it'd mean they'd be essentially giving up their position. For the common man in germany, it means he is being dragged down by poorer nations. For the poorer nations, it means they're going to be bossed around by richer ones even more. One thing is commie ideals about muh unified europe, another is the economic reality. And so Euro remains a frankenstein of a project, a thing that shouldn't exist and that directly harms the countries who use it. A political wrench thrown into the economic machine.


176943  No.676278

>>676274

>>676273

There is nothing to comprehend, it's fucking obvious what happened.

First you had leftist majority in the EU parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_European_Parliament_election

Then a leftist wave:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_United_Kingdom_general_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_French_legislative_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_German_federal_election

And the result is as usual, you put leftists at the wheel of the economy… they drive you right off a fucking cliff.

All the insane decisions (integration of the europoor, creation of the euro without any mechanisms of compensations, etc…) where taken and could only be taken because you had a socialist majority both in the EU parliament and in the major countries that can veto policies.

Because none of that shit is actually good for Germany, yeah sure they have a great time exporting shit with 0 taxes but the minute everyone around them is out of money because all their industry have closed down what the fuck is gonna happen? Well it's gonna be 10 times worse than everywhere else.


3b4dfe  No.676280

>>676278

>you put leftists at the wheel of the economy… they drive you right off a fucking cliff.

Pretty much. As I said above, euro was a political project first and foremost, not economic.


10580a  No.676281

>>673217

>After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.

what horse shit is this? Predetermined plan of action in war? Are the people running this fucking retarded? Also the General bitching about dying one should of been replaced ASAP since he showed how incompetent he is in his command position.


3b4dfe  No.676285

>>676281

His defense was pretty funny. He complained about how things would be different IRL, how the enemy exploited game rules and so on, but that just means he's a fucking idiot. The enemy had the same knowledge of rules as he, yet the enemy was the one who was able to utilise them for victory in a game he was supposed to lose. The opponent showed intelligence and logical thinking, while this idiot needed to beg for a reset and a script.


176943  No.676300

>>676281

Almost all wargames have predetermined plan of action. Winner and losers are determined beforehand, what is evaluated is what works and what doesn't in a given situation.

"Free form" wargames are extremely rare (and are typically for junior officers).

They could only reset it. Of course the smart thing would've have been to try again and reverse the exercise with one side keeping doing his winning tactics and the other to see try what they could do to stop them.

Except in our extremely bored militaries… wargame count as real fighting towards one advancement.

IE the ones that are supposed to win are the ones that have been picked for advancement. The win in simulation being an "achievement" of sort (in a navy so devoided of those) so many other won't have in their file (due to the fact that wargames are a very complicated thing… there just aren't many of them) that can be used to justify why X or Y got picked over Z for promotion.

So they couldn't and the one that were supposed to win HAD to win… and went on on their career path.

While the ones that were meant to lose HAD to lose and were already one feet out the door.

And in the case of elderly general it's worse, those exercises are only there to validate new tactical doctrine (and not validating is out of the question has typically by the time a wargame for it is finally set up, younger officers have already been trained on it, gear has been bought, countless amount of time has been spent writing on it etc…).

Those things have nothing do to with the actual wargame… it's the excuse, it's military politics in all the modern armies, which is something Gen. Van Riper knew full well and decided to troll everyone by reminding them that it's insane.

And instead of re-examining said insanity they just went on planting their head in the sand.

What happened to the LCS was also very similar.


9ebd8b  No.676301

>>676300

What would be a sane course of action? My guess is to separate wargames and exercises for the most part, so that the wargames exist to value an officer's ability to do officer things, and exercises are there to practice with current equipment. Of course writing new doctrine should be an entirely separate thing that is not dictated by politicians and businessmen from the military-industrial complex.


3b4dfe  No.676329

>>676301

>What would be a sane course of action?

Major field exercises are expensive, computer simulations are not. Do those, with a third group there (a game master of sorts) in case one of the participants wants to use an approach not covered by the simulation (something unorthodox that the programmer didn't think of). Run those for as long as you want, using whichever staff you want (even junior officiers. It's essentially free and the brass has fuck all to do anyway). Observe and select the most inventive and successful strategies. Then test them in actual field exercise (can be an annual or bi-annual thing), whether they're actually realizable.




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