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Oh, well! Would you look at that! Someone showed they have the guts to face truth and not run away from it like those faggots in Leftypol who're too fucking weak to even look at anything that contradicts them even the slightest little bit.

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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need a reading list for Structuralism, btw

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Why do lefties hate Fascists? Fascism seeks to protect workers from corporatism with establishments like a minimum wage and a national worker's union, but still keeps business in charge of production so long as they benefit the state and community. Fascism is ultimately about protection of the native National lower and middle class from a Jewish upper class that seeks to displace and exterminate Whites. (This by no means implies fascism is a white only system, in fact Oswald Mosley states that all races in their own separated fascist nations that aid themselves and eachother is best for the world)

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Yes, when I ask you for a source, just keep spouting more unsourced shit at me, that'll do the trick.


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>Minimum wage




all cats are mammals but not all mammals are cats. It wouldn't matter if 99% of the wealthiest people on earth were all jewish because the problem isn't their Judaism but the fact that they are capitalists who own the MoP.





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ITT - Questions/Topics that don't warrant knocking a thread off page 15. If you think it'll start a long reply chain, make a thread.

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It's funny that you mention pirates, La Fayette a French pirate from Louisiana screwed over the British and was instrumental in their defeat at the hands of the Americans at the Battle of Baton Rouge, albeit the war in 1812 was already over by the time that battle had started.



>An astronomer who came up with a heliocentric model a three-hundred years after Nur ad-Din al-Bitruji did.

Actually a Greek known as Aristarchus of Samos first hypothesised that the Earth revolved around the sun in the 3rd century BC.



It really is nothing unless you are preparing for trivia night at the pub.


Yeah. So?


Yes, but Aristarchus never came up with a working model like Nur and Galileo did.



You have an inferiority complex, are you one of those "we waz kangz" people? Was Cleopatra and Severus Septimus black?


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Aristarchus did have a working model except it couldn't be proven until the advent of the telescope without which one couldn't observe stellar parallax.

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I really just wanna know if she's a CIA plant like I've seen allusions to tbh

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The secret is having children while you are under 30



>I really just wanna know if she's a CIA plant like I've seen allusions to tbh

Jesse Jackson and Sharpton filled a role that made them big bank, and they are getting old. She is the first of 3 coming.


Confirmed plant.

The German magazine Bento wrote some clickbaity article on her, how she BTFO'd Trump.

You need to know, Bento is a branch of Spiegel, a bi-weekly released magazine, formerly considered left with a reputation of seriousness, which they now use to shamelessly spew neoliberal propaganda.

Bento is run by young rich hipster journalists kind of what you know in the USA (they are also connected with their US counterparts) and the journal is very similar to that of Gawker network (even their name Bento sounds like Kotaku, Japanese loanwords). What takes the cake is that some of these journos are member of the German conservative party and were pretty pissy when during the election a satirical party made fun of them. Peak conservative liberalism.

An endorsement from Bento is never a good thing, and they would never promote or endorse serious leftists.

Just so you know.


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Oh wow. A meme from 5 years ago that contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Good job, incel boomer. Go back to /pol/ and eat your cookie.

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What do you think of the classic philosophical texts which developed into Western philosophy as we know it? In the Republic, Plato clearly advocated for a militarized state ruled by a class of guardians skilled in combat and gymnastics. He argued for a socialistic view of roles within a community, each producing their own share and consuming what they need from each other. He also argued for censorship of intellectuals, fashioning works into moral texts very similar to the socialist realism tendencies advocated by György Lukács and exemplified during the Soviet Union. From Plato what does Marx owe philosophically, and how much can Marx take credit for original thought in the context of western philosophy? This does not mean to be explicit criticism but rather constructive inquiry.

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"Natural morality" is the lizard brain apparently.



But some tribes are eating maggots tho, cultural conditioning stronk.


>>127117 (you)



And some people have cannibalized other humans. The exceptions don’t make the rule.



Either there is a natural morality or there is not.

If you try to elaborate an universal rule you can't tolerate exceptions or your rule can't be universal by definition.

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What does /leftpol/ think of Bernie running for 2020?

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>How was Obama a progressive leftist anti-establishment president?

I think Obama largely disillusioned people against vague platitudes. Sanders as president may disillusion people against reformists with actual specific policy suggestions, which is the major difference here.



>He was running to the left of Hillary Clinton

No he wasn't. He was running as Chocolate Jesus who would cleanse Amerikkka of her racial sins - and from that the Left projected whatever they wanted into his vague, mealy-mouthed pronouncements about Hope™ and Change™.

It's always hilarious talking to Bernie supporters about what drove them away from liberalism, it's invariably due to disillusionment with Obama



lmao fuck off O'bomber never had a good track record and considered himself to be a moderate reaganite.



>There's actually a lot of parallels between him and Sanders

lolno, Dennis Kucinich was the Bernie analog if anyone in 2008. Obama was a corporate shithead from the start of his political career and those who were familiar with him in Chicago predicted how his presidency would play out.



This. The only reason I supported Obama over Clinton in 2008 was because the man's positions were so completely unknown, so I assumed there was a faint possibility he might not push stuff like NAFTA. Needless to say, that gamble didn't pay off.

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Would his existence have ended up triggering the woke twitter left if he had been the one to live?

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This seems likely to me.

It sounds like he was kind of a manchild about the whole black metal thing anyway. Doing shit like using Dead's suicide for marketing, giving necklaces made from bits of his skulls to people he "deemed worthy".



Him being a manchild about it may have made him not able to grow out of it though.


He actually had a pretty good grasp on marxist theory, however his misanthropy led him to believe that the liberal propaganda about Marxist Leninist states was what normalfags "deserved" regardless if it was true or false. He did believe that full communism(perhaps even a "Muke" like conception of it) was historically inevitable.



>I always kinda interpreted the black metal guitar tone as being influenced by Cryptic Slaughter

The tone is no doubt influenced by those types of bands.

I mean the tomato picking or whatever its called.



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You may be on to something here, part of what I find irritating about a lot of twitter tankies is that they all seem to lack Stalin's faustian spirit, many of them just seem to want to whine about equally radlibish anarkiddies not supporting China or whatever, which is a complete waste of time and not to mention completely safe.

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Simply post examples of useless people making more money than them. You better start working on pictures with examples of this and begin posting them everywhere.

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I dunno, at least they're doing something better than whining online. Better than burger incels.



If someone puts up with getting fucked by their landlord or boss but gets enraged by a thot milking paypis then that's not the type of nigga we want.


>It'd be interesting to know if the same applies to cam whores and insta-hoes.

For pornstars and hookers it does, it'd be extremely surprising if this didn't apply to camwhores and insta-thots. Similar to models and actors it's about building a brand, like Riley Reid doesn't get top dollar for scenes because she's the sexiest, she gets it because she has a powerful brand.



>Yes, what they don't understand is the top earners in the glamour professions get most of the money. The majority of actors and so on have to work other jobs as well.

You're missing the larger point, which is that even the top earning performers earn peanuts compared to the studios.



Belle Delphine didn't exploit anyone.

She asked for donations, and private citizens were willing to share their income in exchange for fap material.

They are donations. She asked. This is socialism in action.



>Preying on the desperately lonely and mentally handicapped is socialism.

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Was gamergate communist at first? Its clear that it turned into a reactionary incel movement as time went on, but didn't it start off as a leftist movement?

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>GG is the single biggest factor leading to Trump

>The biggest factor for Trump being elected was the Democrats cheating for Hillary.

You're both wrong. The biggest factor for Trump winning is burger jobs disappearing in swing states and every other politician pretending it wasn't so.



Well yeah, but if the Democrats nominated someone who actually said they would help those people then they wouldn't have voted for a porky out of desperation.


Gamergate was one group of fools (people who unironically gave / give a shit about "Ethics in video game journalism") and equally retarded game developers / "Gaming news sites" and third wave fems that inserted themselves into it


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Ethics in journalism could be a left talking point I guess? But in practice gamergate was never left leaning but rather a cringey reactionary shitstorm hellbent on harassment for the sake of feeling righteous.

In reality "ethics in game journalism" just became a cover for these incel pricks to hide behind whenever anyone criticized the true nature of the movement.

There is a real need for ethics in journalism though and by that I'm referring to how IGN and other large review sites are payed off by AAA publishers to give good reviews.


Sarkesian wasn't an evil villain going around banning video games. Her whole argument is that you should be able to criticize media and still be able to enjoy it. She's by no means a revolutionary feminist or anything but she's also not the boogeyman who wants you to stop liking things.

Anyone who calls themselves a leftist should be critical of the media they consume.

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Moscow ready to cut time for nuclear strike on U.S. if necessary: Putin

Moscow will match any U.S. move to deploy new nuclear missiles closer to Russia by stationing its own missiles closer to the United States or by deploying faster missiles or both, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday.


An 8th Labour MP has quit and joined the new Independent Group

An eighth Labour MP has resigned from the party and joined the newly formed Independent Group.Joan Ryan, the member of Parliament for Enfield North, quit Jeremy Corby's Labour on Tuesday evening, citing antisemitism within the party and Labour's stance on Brexit.


Anti-Brexit lawmakers quit Theresa May's Conservative Party

Three anti-Brexit lawmakers quit British Prime Minister Theresa May's Conservative Party on Wednesday to join eight former Labour MPs in a new independent political group.


Arrest Of Heavily Armed Former U.S. Military Members In Haiti Sparks Many Questions

We know their names, and where they were. But no one has given a public explanation for what several former elite U.S. service-members were doing in Haiti — and why they were driving without license plates, carrying an assortment of automatic rifles, drones, aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>U.S. Hate Groups Rose 30 Percent In Recent Years, Watchdog Group Reports

>Liberal NGO whose sole purpose is to "fight hate groups" finds that "hate groups" are growing exponentially *rattles donation can loudly in your direction*



>friends still won't shut up about it to this day

jfc you deserve better friends



How the fuck did that happen?



>Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize Private Property

> Siding with a small time drug offender in Indiana whose $42,000 Land Rover was seized by law enforcement officials, the Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the Constitution places limits on civil forfeiture laws that allow states and localities to take and keep private property used to commit crimes.


Unless it is obvious that the funds and possessions are ill gained or illegal should the police even have any power to unilaterally confiscate property?

This friend of a friend was a martial arts instructor. Many years ago (before bodycams and the surveillance state) he had parked his car in front of his dojo and was retrieving the samurai sword he owned from his car.

Two pigs approached him and said that he was brandishing an illegal deadly weapon. (In a state that allowed open carry of firearms.) He clarified that he's a martial arts instructor taking the sword to the dojo in front of him where it would be legal. The cops told him that he can retrieve it from the station and gave them their badge numbers.

He later called about the sword there was no record of it. He went to the station to speak to the officers themselves. They denied ever taking his sword and intimidated him to leave.

TL;DR: Confiscation can be abused by corrupt officials to overtly steal property.


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>/v/ and /pol/ on halfchan as it was undergoing the birth of the alt-right.

Those were still in their paulbot dudeweedlmao lolbert stage at the start of GG

>ethics in games journalism

The strawman rallying cry. It was about corruption.

>"disproven" as Grayson never wrote a review

Another classic strawman.

>Why are so many of the leaders of GG far right pundits?

Most of them originated as centrist New Atheist fedoralords, and only turned into rightards later, as the nonstop SJW screeching against GG and chance to pander to other cynics for cash wore them down. Many, such as Thunderf00t and Amazing Atheist, remained center-left and simply faded from GG as it lurched rightward.


GG absolutely did tackle all of those things, but do you remember what happened when we attempted to, and what ACTUALLY CAUSED GG (hint: it wasn't exactly LWs themselves, nor SJWs in general, nor discussion of their antics)?

It was censorship.

Bans, deletions, takedowns. Admins and mods in every social network, every forum, every host, every ISP, all in lockstep. Ludicrous copypasta sob stories being posted on every single outlet within hours of each other. All of this clumsy, hysterical behavior on the part of a clique almost immediately exposing the nuts and bolts of their conspiracy ranging from an illegal mailing list to payola schemes. All over a dumb gossip-of-the-week piece about on par with the Brad Wardell case that everyone had already forgotten about that month.

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Is this our new revolutionary praxis?

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What exactly is this supposed to mean?

What does some piece of shitty webpage-as-software with font drawing have to do with text encoding standards?



That's a good point. The same leftwingers are still MRAs, but now more conservatives are also MRAs. Really I'm just disappointed that we still don't have more leftists supporting men's rights though, you would think the people who lead the fight for LGBT rights, women's rights, and civil rights wouldn't be so hostile toward males having rights. Especially since issues like homelessness or workplace deaths are ones that leftists should care about.



>expressing surprise that the left is actually just edgy Democrats who believe in completely orthodox current year social liberalism and think the meaning of socialism is "old jewish guy will give me government jewgold to spend on an $800 budget iPhone, fuck yeah feel the bern"

Serious question here, how many leftists have ever actually bothered to think their social policy positions through? They just go with whatever seems like they can use it to virtue signal the most. They only care about popularity and couldn't give a fuck if it makes sense or not. Leftists did jack shit to stop feminists from passing laws that discriminate openly against men while screaming sexism at anyone who called them out for being psychopaths. Oh yeah, and they strapped the age of consent to a fucking space shuttle and fired it into geosynchronous orbit solely to artificially enhance their sexual marketability when guys wanted young cuties instead of their ugly asses. Pretty much everything feminists have ever done qualifies as a form of bigotry, totalitarianism or both, but they get away with it because they've managed to falsely equate their own welfare with equality and progress and they have an army of beta simps ready to defend the honor of their fair ladies in the vain hope that white knighting will get them the opportunity to put their goony tadgers in a diseased meat cave with more mileage than 50 years' worth of NASCAR.



IMO it's a combination of the whole "male disposability" mindset with the fact that so many of men's issues are working class issues but amplified. Like workplace deaths is a worker issue and a men's issue (since it overwhelmingly affects men), but a lefty is going to see it only in terms of class 9 times out of 10.


>how many leftists have ever actually bothered to think their social policy positions through?

Most people haven't thought anything through. That's why it's possible for someone to do social criticism and people respond with anything but "yeah no shit, everybody has thought this through."

>why don't leftists effectively oppose feminists?

A few reasons:

<the left has been gutted and has almost no power these days in wealthy western countries, so good luck effectively opposing anything

<feminists aren't the primary target for the left so why would you expect people to go for your pet issues when it's already hard to accomplish the main goals?

<lots of lefties think feminism is compatible with the left because (as you pointed out) a lot of lefties haven't thought through their positions



>The MRM is still largely left wing, just that the left wingers tend not to say so

Unfortunately not, at least in my experience. The vast majority of people in these circles are either conservatives or traditionalists and generally anti-leftists (where "leftists" mean the state does stuff).

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>social democracy

>gibs from all imperialist powers

>women liberation

Did isreal do nothing wrong?

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>but decentralized leaderless organizations can withstand any disruption.

Except for the nearest centralized organization.


Post more jewish qts!

Fight islamic patriarchy!


Israel is unironically BASTE 🇮🇱



No they don't.


Reminder that bazed Fidel supports israel

reminder that china communist supports israel

the PLO literally sought out American imperialist

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How come that right wingers think that capitalism, which is a relatively new phenomena, is an inseparable part of human nature that should not be interfered with, but migration, which has constantly existed since the earliest day of human life to modern times, is something alien to humans that can only exist because of the sinister conspiracy of an old Jewish man and must be stopped at all costs?

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Was that sarcasm?


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It's not for red liberals either ya fag


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>da juuuuuice


Liberalism is the new phenomena capitalism isn't. It's because there always is a hierarchy in human society in wealth distribution and people who have more say in matters than others, sometimes to laughably unfair proportions. Even the communist countries had such a social hierarchy which was tied to your party standing.

Migration is just a symptom of a global economy that seeks maximum optimization, that includes hiring foreign working and mass outsourcing. Both which hurt local workers, and often is unfair to the ones who migrate. In US there's a whole business of underpaying h1b workers for example.


Feudalism was pretty much worse than post 1600's capitalism though in terms of inequality.



>Feudalism was pretty much worse than post 1600's capitalism though in terms of inequality.

Was it really? I've heard credible people compare the inequality we have now to that of ancient Egypt's.

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This board needs to read more, and something besides a low traffic sticky is needed. To this end I think we need to revive the /leftpol/ reading group, this time without titofag being the only guy who read anything. We can start off with some basic texts of anarchism and marxism, then move on to more specfic stuff.

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Something that's bothered me with the (online) left is that they use certain terms incorrectly. Liberalism doesn't refer to ideology that reinforces capitalism and the bourgeoisie state but anything "socially progressive", idealist just means "shit I don't like it" instead of the belief ideas create reality. Something should be done about this and I wonder if we should work on creating a reading list to educate folks in the hopes they stop saying dumb shit. Any anons here have advice?



I agree. Lots of people just kind of passively adopt the jargon without trying to understand the concrete meanings of the words. This flies in most politics today (by design), so it's not necessarily obvious to people that the words mean very specific things.

Some kind of glossary for socialists would be good. Maybe have a definition followed by a short essay for each important concept, fleshing it out. Ideally it could be put it into some easily digestible format for mass consumption like tweets or short youtube videos.



I think it'd be easy enough to do a glossary, but atm I don't really trust any youtuber or left twitter personality to share it. Realistically it'd just be a resource for this board, which would help the brainlets not butcher terms.



It's the FULLCOMMUNISM influence

Tankies are braindead

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