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 No.1[Reply]

Read the Rules and FAQ before posting

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FAQ

-Why are there two leftypols now?

The leftypol board owner banned people for defending the Kurdish factions in the Syrian war, on the basis that they were supported by the USA and were thus tools of US imperialism. Unable to post on, and unhappy with, the moderation of leftypol, this board was created.

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 No.133046

>>132768

Mfw I’ve been lying in wait to claim /leftpol/ and turn it into an esoteric board for months now




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 No.1128[Reply]

I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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 No.131192

>>131190

He had a blackout psychotic episode and didnt know what he was doing, no bully




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 No.132995[Reply]

Imagine being so much of a fucking retard that you seriously think you're part of the master race (or even "honorary aryans"), when in reality the morons on /pol/ (pic related: /pol/ meetup) are a bunch of chinks, spics and wannabe-japanese degenerate otaku faggots.

If the nazis actually took over, /pol/niggers would be the first to go. So much for the nordic-germanic master race.

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 No.133072

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>>133063

>What do you expect people to think about you if they recognize it?

>What do you want to accomplish wearing such thing to such even?

>My second hand shame is just immeasurable.

My greatest dream is to one day reach my goal of 10% body fat and 23+ inch arms so that I can go outside dressed in a fedora wearing a hentai t shirt at a local university and try picking up the hottest girls I see just to put the whole "Looks>personality" claim made by incels to the test and record the whole thing for teh lulz.

I'll make it bros, in 5 years time I'll make it.


 No.133075

After seeing the photos of DSA meetups and Chapo fans this is a "stones, glass houses" kinda thing tbh


 No.133106

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>>133045

By "aryan" do you mean the actual indo-iranian (which also includes semitic people) race? Because I can sort of agree with that statement (except for the fact that actual aryans have never settled in pre-columbian america).

If you mean the snownigger "aryan" LARPers, then… lol.


 No.133115

>>133072

The incels are right and I hope you realize that once you succeed in banging someone despite wearing a fedora and hentai tshirt.


 No.133116

>>133072

Women care about looks just as much, if not more than men.




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 No.133107[Reply]

Turkey’s Erdogan sparks spat with Australia, New Zealand

Turkey’s president has sparked an acute diplomatic spat with far-off New Zealand and Australia, referring to a key World War I campaign and the more recent Christchurch mosque shooting as targeting Islam. Erdogan, who has been campaigning for local elections due at the end of the month, suggested this week that Australia and New Zealand had sent troops to fight in WWI’s Gallipoli campaign due to their opposition to Islam.

https://www.apnews.com/5c0c6625dc6e4267aa4e7c1119b9bb83

From Astana to Nur-Sultan: Kazakhstan renames its capital after outgoing leader of 30 years

The people of Astana woke up in another city after it was renamed in honor of its leader Nursultan Nazarbayev – despite having already had its name changed three times during his lifetime.

https://www.rt.com/news/454309-kazakhstan-astana-name-change/

Radovan Karadzic Gets Life As Hague Court Upholds Genocide Conviction

Appeals judges of the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia have upheld Radovan Karadzic's conviction for genocide in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre that claimed the lives of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705121851/radovan-karad-i-gets-life-as-hague-court-upholds-genocide-conviction

Mexico president López Obrador signs vow that he won't seek second term

Mexico's President Andrés Manuel López Obrador on Tuesday put in writing a promise to never seek a second term, after critics expressed worry that a new law allowing a mid-term recall referendum could be a step toward a re-election bid.

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 No.133110

White Nationalist Groups Increase Recruiting And Propaganda Across The West

The identitarian movement, formed in France in 2016, broadly believes that white people in Europe and North America are being displaced by non-European immigrants.Over the past few months, groups affiliated with similar ideas have protested and put up posters across college campuses in California, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado and Montana. Their members are mostly anonymous, and they espouse racism and hate online.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/19/704586335/white-nationalist-groups-increase-recruiting-and-propaganda-across-the-west

Trump Backs Public Release Of Mueller Report

Amid signs that special counsel Robert Mueller will soon complete his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, President Trump says that he looks forward to seeing the report and that it should be made public.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705162788/trump-backs-public-release-of-mueller-report

MoveOn asks 2020 Dems to boycott AIPAC conference

The liberal group MoveOn is calling on Democratic presidential candidates to skip this year’s AIPAC policy conference, citing its links to the right-wing government of Benjamin Netanyahu and charging that AIPAC has flirted with Islamophobia.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/moveon-2020-democrats-aipac-1229865

California university workers in one-day strike across the state

Thousands of university workers throughout the University of California (UC) higher education system will take part in a one-day strike todaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.133111

>As for the capital, during the previous century it was renamed a staggering three times! Known as Akmolinsk in imperial Russia, it became Tselinograd in the Soviet era, when Nazarbayev was 21. The city got a new name – Akmola – shortly after Kazakhstan got its independence in the 1990s but that didn’t stick as well, so it was named Astana in 1997.

Poor city

>Thousands of university workers throughout the University of California (UC) higher education system will take part in a one-day strike today across 10 campuses, five medical centers, 16 health professional schools, three national laboratories and numerous satellite facilities that comprise the largest public institution of higher learning in the world.

>one-day strike

What's the point?

<I'll just show I'm displeased with the current state of affairs for one day and go back to being a beta bitch

I wish we were in a timeline where Frogs are still dominant culture.


 No.133114

>>133107

>Erdogan, who has been campaigning for local elections due at the end of the month, suggested this week that Australia and New Zealand had sent troops to fight in WWI’s Gallipoli campaign due to their opposition to Islam.

So it had nothing to do with being provinces in the British Empire or with Churchill being an idiot who did not understand just how spectacularly stupid the entire adventure was. It was just problematic cis-het neurotypical white male shitlords hating Islam. This is your brain on identity.




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 No.133032[Reply]

The hosts of Proles pod (https://www.prolespod.com/) went and started a ML party.

https://revdemparty.com/

>The Revolutionary Democracy Party seeks to build an international union of revolutionaries, built upon the principles of decolonization, liberation, anti-imperialism, education, community-building, and the foundational science of Marxism-Leninism.

>The party, in planning, has explicitly agreed upon prioritizing marginalized people in positions of leadership, always being mindful of the dynamics of privilege and power (no exceptions will be made, even for those taking part in the planning of the party itself). People of privileged groups will not be permitted to maintain positions of power when those of marginalization have voiced the desire to step up. Furthermore, those that are in a position of power will use their resources to try to raise of the voices of marginalized communities. Members of branches who come from marginalized backgrounds and have the potential to lead will be given guidance to develop that position of leadership if there is a desire to do so.

>We welcome all interested in joining RDP, regardless of socioeconomic status and privilege. Those interested in starting branches will have contact with us to evaluate your situation, such as your ongoing outreach to local marginalized populations, prospective members in the branch, the current activities in your area, and so on. It is important for branches to reflect Marxist-Leninist principles in the group and to avoid upholding white male leadership.

>Solidarity forever.

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 No.133100

>porkies can join

>idpol quotas

Why not just drop the M-L LARPing (you clearly don't agree with Marx if this is how you want to run your party) and join the democrats?


 No.133102

>>133100

>you clearly don't agree with Marx if this is how you want to run your party

Marx's main nigga was a porky who funded their party of choice.


 No.133105

>>133102

Yeah the idpol quota is worse IMO (sorry white boys, you can't join our club because we don't have enough women/PoC/trans). There are porkys who are class traitors. As long as they keep out cops unlike the DSA I don't see the issue.


 No.133112

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>>133032

>ctrl+f class

>nothing

>do the came in statement of priciples

>the only result is about black pipo being second class citizens

>>133100

<porkies can join

That one isn't really a flaw, the unique feature of a class party is precisely welcoming even the deserters from the bougie camp provided they of course follow the correct doctrine, although in that case it's plain as a day the founders are just lowkey signalling they welcome idpol radlibs.


 No.133113

>>133105

We should be keeping porkies out of leadership positions and make sure orgs aren't dependent on them for financing. I don't see that mentioned in their readme, which is a problem.

>sorry white boys, you can't join our club because we don't have enough women/PoC/trans

They say they want everyone, just if you're in a leadership position you have to step down if someone "more marginalized" wants it. The issues with this are it being impossible to actually enforce (like gay black man vs jewish trans woman) and when enforced causes leadership to change without input from the membership on whether the marginalized person is actually a good leader. That's without touching whether leaders are useful, but this is just a social club for people too edgy for the PSL so I don't really care beyond laughing at them.




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 No.72458[Reply]

ITT - Questions/Topics that don't warrant knocking a thread off page 15. If you think it'll start a long reply chain, make a thread.

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 No.132923

What are the best metrics for the well-being/whatever of the economy? What problems are there with the standard gdp per capita, gdp growth rate and unemployment rate?


 No.132925

>>131951

It's just thinking the fetishism of commodities is actually a good thing.


 No.133066

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Why do people hate trotskists so much?


 No.133067

>>133066

They have a weird habit of being wreckers (i.e religiously anti-ML) and turning into neocons or informants.


 No.133109

>>133066

In part it's the massive sperging of MLs inherited from the times of Stalin who really liked to emphasize the evilness of those Trotskyite spies, wreckers, fascists, saboteurs, agents of imperialism, traitors etc etc.

Of course, there are plenty reasons to shit on trots from other perspectives. Trotsky had produced some pretty bad takes, like transitional programme, "critical support", "bureaucratic collectivism" or entryism, but his confused followers turned Trotskyism into an even bigger joke, creating more hot takes and either a) making parties built on activism, idpol, socdemism and in general fucking anything which would get them more followers b) becoming cultish spergs like Spartacists who defended NAMBLA and ISIS or c) both because lol why not.

>>133067

>religiously anti-ML

Plenty of trot parties peddle that "critical support for degenerate workers' states" meme.




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 No.133079[Reply]

I just discovered that the georgia stalin was born in isn't the one next to alabama

 No.133108

He was stupid enough to be a honorary American




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 No.120643[Reply]

Stop shitting up other threads and make your arguments for or against antifeminism here you chucklefucks

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 No.132957

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>>131970

>muh conspiracy!

yes, all of pic-related is just fake news…


 No.132961

>>132957

Retarded SocJus Chic liberal excrement does not constitute evidence that feminism has power rather than being used a tool of power.

>>131918

It's already recuperated. You're right that it means it was dangerous, but its been thoroughly resorbed and reformed into a useful tool for capital for most of this decade at the least.


 No.132976

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>>132961

>just because the leaders and rank-and-file of every single formal western feminist org today are unabashed opponents of class consciousness doesn't mean turd-wave feminazism is a capitalist conspiracy

>just because 1st/2nd-wave feminism was once genuinely countercultural, in service of causes that were wholly resolved by them decades ago, somehow means turd-wave feminazis hold any legitimate claim whatsoever to that legacy as an authentic people's movement

Even ignoring the massive false assumptions you're making, what about the countless, proven, direct links between 3rd-wave feminazis and the CIA? Gloria Steinem being a mole, the Ford Foundation's wholesale construction of gender studies departments in schools, the CCF building domination of left philosophical discourse by PoMo continental theory blowhards, etc.


 No.133091

>>132976

still waiting for an answer, feminazis


 No.133103

File: 7e0276a8228587d⋯.webm (13.26 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Unknown Knowns - Slavoj Ž….webm)

Feminism fails to take off the gender role ideology goggles, and this colors how they see gender based issues. This illustrates a certain ideology pattern that we should all be aware of.

Example

Gender roles cast men as subjects and women as objects. Men are valued for what they do while women are valued for what they are. Women are "human beings" while men are "human doings." Feminists point out this ideology but they don't despook themselves before making an analysis. This means topics related to gender (and sometimes ones that aren't) get skewed further according to these traditional gender roles.

Resulting Contradiction

<When women are insecure about their body, it's society imposing unrealistic standards.

>When men are insecure about their body, it's men being immature, self-absorbed, obsessed with sex, etc.

This pattern can be seen broadly in most issues feminists raise. Whether it's a non-gendered issue (like above - specifics of insecurity are different, but otherwise it's the same issue), or something that genuinely affects men and women differently, if you let lie the basic assumptions you will get a fundamentally flawed analysis. Slavoj Žižek has a bit on this that applies (vid related) here.

Beware the failure to despook, in your opponents and in yourself. To paraphrase the foremost feminist of all time: just because you are aware of a bias doesn't mean you're immune to it, and the more you assume that you're immune to it, the more likely you are to reinforce it unconcsiously. You should always try to understand what your basic assumptions are.

Feel free to post your own examples from feminists, radlibs, or actual socialists.




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 No.124112[Reply]

>social democracy

>gibs from all imperialist powers

>women liberation

Did isreal do nothing wrong?

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 No.133089

tbh it'd be pretty cool if Israel turned socialist again


 No.133094

Idk bout that Israel has won or stalemated every single serious war it's ever been in. Sure now they kill Palestinian civilians for fun and hide behind walls but only a retard would refuse to acknowledge that they started out as the weaker side compared to the might of the Arab nations and only gradually became the dominant power in the region.


 No.133095

>>133094

>>133093


 No.133098

>>133096

>Support from NATO and unlimited funds

You forget that there were 2 superpowers back then, not just one, and the Soviet Union was a staunch supporter of the Arab armies.


 No.133117

>>133094

Israel performed pretty horribly in the 2006 Lebanon War. Their military had been chasing kids throwing stones so long that they completely forgot how to fight. They bought into the arm-salesman's advertising that said they could win a war using nothing but air power (both indiscriminate bombing of civilians and strategic bombing) and psychologic warfare which ended up just making everyone really like Hizbollah and hate Israel. They completely neglected training of their ground forces, especially their mechanised divisions which despite being in nearly indestructible Merkavas had many casualties with their opponents doing nothing more than repeatedly firing a number of (old) anti-tank missiles. My understanding is that there have been some attempts to reform the military since this time, but I'm unsure how successful they've been.

>>133098

>>133094

>Idk bout that Israel has won or stalemated every single serious war it's ever been in. Sure now they kill Palestinian civilians for fun and hide behind walls but only a retard would refuse to acknowledge that they started out as the weaker side compared to the might of the Arab nations and only gradually became the dominant power in the region.

If you're talking about the the First Arab-Israeli War both the USSR and NATO supported Zionism at the time (physical support only came in the form of Western Arms deals however). Also the Israeli out numbered the Arab armies two to one.

>You forget that there were 2 superpowers back then, not just one, and the Soviet Union was a staunch supporter of the Arab armies.

This was true for the Six days war, but how much the `preemptive strike' on Egypts airforce (taking air superiority for the entire war) had to do with this victory is unquestionable. The Yom Kippur War is the only war where this was both the case in a meaningful way and the Israelis won.




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 No.132942[Reply]

ITT: 'liberal pretending to be leftist' dead giveaways

>'oppression' rather than 'exploitation'

>'rich' and 'poor' rather than 'capital' and 'labour'

>putting importance on voting

>'we need a mix of socialism and capitalism'

>using 'democratic socialism' to refer to social democracy

>not seeing immigration in economic terms

>hostility to science and rationality

>never talking about the production process

>vague or non-materialist understanding of 'power'

>believing in abstractions literally; e.g. thinking groups literally do things to other groups

>'Marxist' not interested in economics (except taxation and market regulation)

>'Anarchist' not calling to abolish the state (except border control)

>disdain for (many) workers

Give me your best ones, bois.

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 No.133059

>>133056

I don’t follow Jews like Bookchin who romanticize nature and who do not follow social darwinism. Tribal chieftains in a decentralized Aryan primitive society are the way to go. Everything else is Capitalistd unsustainable Jewish daydreams


 No.133074

>Social Ecologist versus Anprim

Have I been time warped back to 1995 or something


 No.133078

>>133059

go away Ted Kacynzski you're drunk.


 No.133082

>>133078

Ted K isn't a white nationalist


 No.133086

>>133051

>race

>existing

haha good joke anon




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 No.132005[Reply]

Reminder that the only legitimate form of socialism is anarchist. Tankies, nazbols, juches are all red fascists LARPing as socialists. By default, this is an anarchist board and all stalinists, maoists, etc must go back to /leftypol/.

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 No.133021

op needs to go back to left book with that anarcho-idiotism


 No.133024

oh wow they have a Tudeh flag , how considerate and cool


 No.133026

>>133024

>>133024

>>133021

>>133020

>>133019

That was all pretty based. Good post tbh.


 No.133028

hehhehe thanks bb >>133026


 No.133077

>>132005

anarchists and tankies are all retards




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 No.132858[Reply]

How come you only see this graffiti in Ireland, but never in Palestine?

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 No.133038

>>132954

> LARPing Irish people

>The troubles and IRA were just LARP


 No.133039

My guess is that Palestinians cannot afford paint, too busy finding food and dodging israeli snipers.


 No.133040

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>>132858

>How come you only see this graffiti in Ireland, but never in Palestine?

A lot of the anti jew graffiti in palestine is very politically incorrect.

Featuring swastikas and stuff like that.


 No.133060

>>133040

Based.


 No.133073

Because Palestine is what Venezuela is accused of.

And approved by the Western liberal democracies.




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 No.133065[Reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaBIjSlteU

mirror: https://hooktube.com/watch?v=ryaBIjSlteU

Who was in the wrong?

also dae think Ian is hot af?

 No.133068

>over two hours of a chinese state employee and a maoist canadian rapper moderated by a balding brainlet

Nigga summarize this shit.


 No.133071

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>>133069

*hugs you in broken mandarin*




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 No.132604[Reply]

Two texts for this edition, Bakunin's A critique of the German social democratic program (1870) and Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program. This should be interesting to see the similarities and differences between the two rivals, and to see how much the German Social Democratic Party's platform changed in 5 years.

Bakunin

https://libcom.org/library/a-critique-of-the-german-social-democratic-program-bakunin

Marx

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/

Stop by the book club to make suggestions and vote in the next poll >>111111 , and have fun reading friends.

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 No.132885

>>132604

It's been awhile since I've read these. Truth be told other than for those social democrats who think themselves the red guard (or perhaps those new to theory) I don't think many people would get much use out of these. I'd like to think most of us are capable of critiquing a naive nationalist social democratic party. The differences and similarities of Marx and Bakunin in these texts is likewise what you'd expect. Both individuals were quite bored with those proposals matching bourgeoisie and nationalist parties. Other than this Bakunin was harping on about the state and Marx a poor understanding of his economics.


 No.132886

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>>132885

>Truth be told other than for those social democrats who think themselves the red guard (or perhaps those new to theory) I don't think many people would get much use out of these.

If we're being honest, that describes most of the left, including many posters here and on /leftypol/.

>I'd like to think most of us are capable of critiquing a naive nationalist social democratic party

Then I suggest you look at the "critical support" given to socdems from Maduro to Sanders by supposed radicals and reevaluate your position.

>Other than this Bakunin was harping on about the state and Marx a poor understanding of his economics

Bakunin's harping on about the state appears to be completely correct in the context of how social democratic statecraft functioned. And if Bakunin was wrong about Marx, he was correct about the Marxists who do view the "Worker's State" owning and managing capital as socialism.


 No.132902

>>132886

>If we're being honest, that describes most of the left, including many posters here and on /leftypol/.

>Then I suggest you look at the "critical support" given to socdems from Maduro to Sanders by supposed radicals and reevaluate your position.

You're correct.

>Bakunin's harping on about the state appears to be completely correct in the context of how social democratic statecraft functioned.

I wasn't trying to argue that Bakunin was incorrect about social democracy, just commenting that it's what you'd expect him to say.

>And if Bakunin was wrong about Marx, he was correct about the Marxists who do view the "Worker's State" owning and managing capital as socialism.

I don't think that existed in Bakunin's time. I think what he mostly argued against was the creation of a ☘️intermediate democratic state☘️ on the way to communism. Then again I've read very little of his works.


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>>132902

>I wasn't trying to argue that Bakunin was incorrect about social democracy, just commenting that it's what you'd expect him to say.

Fair enough.

>I don't think that existed in Bakunin's time. I think what he mostly argued against was the creation of a ☘️intermediate democratic state☘️ on the way to communism

It did, it just called itself "Social Democracy" and I'd argue it's the parent of most of what we currently conceive of as would be managers of (red) capital. The rants against the ☘️intermediate democratic state☘️ are related to this, and should be used to analyze how democratic states are shit whether they're liberal or $socialist$.


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>>132941

>It did, it just called itself "Social Democracy" and I'd argue it's the parent of most of what we currently conceive of as would be managers of (red) capital. The rants against the ☘️intermediate democratic state☘️ are related to this, and should be used to analyze how democratic states are shit whether they're liberal or $socialist$.

I'm afraid the closest I'd be willing to (and often do) get to the position of Bakunin is Council Communism, with a centrally planned but devolutionist economic planning modelled after TANS. I don't think a democracy in a truly socialist nation would be bad however.




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Oklahoma sheriff Terry Barnett gives her resignation letter after a judge ordered her to reopen an unsafe jail with near-lethal carbon monoxide and exposed wiring.

>be Sheriff

>be not a shithead like most other sheriffs

>be forced to resign because judges won't let you be a sheriff unless you're a shithead.

 No.132984

BASED COP SERVING AND PROTECTING

<she got fired

lol


 No.133036

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>There was an episode of a snake falling on the head of a prisoner when opening a door in the jail.


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Goddamn am I glad I moved out of that fuckheap of a state.

Seriously one of the worst states in the U.S.


 No.133041

Oklahoma once had the most socialists in elected office.


 No.133042

>>133041

Before most of our parents, and grandparents, were born.




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