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File: a661205a50b6ecc⋯.png (26.71 KB, 973x819, 139:117, china.png)

 No.2781507

To reduce clutter and low-quality threads about China I'm going to start anchoring threads and redirecting to here instead. If the subject is important enough to warrant a separate thread (let's say, a thread discussing maoism) then feel free to do so.

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 No.2801265

File: 2cf763cf53f5a6b⋯.png (78.71 KB, 246x278, 123:139, 1534720770638.png)

Why does it seem China trying so hard to undermine European imperialism/capitalism in Africa while ignoring American imperialism in Latin America? Seems like disrupting American super profit extraction should be a higher priority.


 No.2803723

起来


 No.2804073

>>2792902

>According to the Peking Unoversity Marxist society

Discarded

Ultra-group acting as unwitting pawns of imperialism


 No.2804074

>>2804073

>Hurr durr you can't criticise anything from a marxist perspective if they carry a red flag


 No.2804090

>>2804074

You can critique without acting as a blatant tool of Imperial interests in advocating the destruction of the Marxist party


 No.2804284

>>2801265

Well, in my country there is a lot of chinese «investment». In mines,mines and also mines.Our biggest buyer of commodities is PRC and if they slow down…we crash. So much that the pro-market president that was deposed didn't go to USA first like a good vassal,but China.


 No.2804464

>>2804090

>all who oppose the dengist hellscape are imperialists


 No.2804620

How muslims are treated in China?

Is it really that bad or just propaganda?


 No.2804796

>>2804620

Muslims are treated fine.

Uiggers are currently in gulags but let's remember how nice gulags were


 No.2805014

>>2804464

Emotional arguement

Discarded

>>2804796

>>2804620

There is literally no evidence of the "Muh millions of Chinese Muslims thrown into concentration camps" shit


 No.2805304

China is doing social imperialism but there is also a lot of western backed fundamentalists.

Are there any leftist uyghur anti-imperialists?


 No.2805324

Happy Lunar new year!


 No.2805930

File: 05af550fb71f38d⋯.jpg (69.04 KB, 270x295, 54:59, quote_Feb_2.jpg)


 No.2806099

>>2781701

>Socialism with """""Chinese Characteristics"""""


 No.2806109

China must reject the capitalist practice of producing shoddy disposable goods, which is wasteful and a disservice to consumers. They should build only for optimal product lifetime, and consider it a form of economic development.


 No.2806116

>>2805930

China is a developing country that had 750 million people living in below the international poverty line and over 1 billion people below the lower middle income line less than 30 year ago. Those numbers have reduced 99%.


 No.2806147

>>2806109

But that would reduce profits


 No.2806738

File: 850cfb0e843e2df⋯.jpg (10.9 KB, 300x168, 25:14, Untitled-1.jpg)

Is anyone in a maoist org?

what are RCP meetings like?


 No.2806744

>>2805324

新年快乐!


 No.2807344

>>2801265

>what is the pacific ocean

china has pakistan, djibouti, and possibly sri lanka & myanmar in the direction of africa. it has nothing in the other direction


 No.2807356

>>2805930

>China will stay committed to advancing reform. Reform is the fundamental driver of China’s development. China will only speed up its market-oriented reforms. We will not slow down the pace of reform, let alone turn back. The Chinese government will continue to streamline administrative approval procedures, provide more efficient services, and slash the time required to start a business, get a permit or go through customs clearance. We will introduce tax cuts on a bigger scale and meaningfully lower fees, including the social security contribution rate. The reform to transform state-owned enterprises (SOEs) into standard companies and joint-stock companies has been basically completed. China’s SOEs, many of which are publicly listed, run their operations in an open and transparent manner. It is entirely up to them to make their own business decisions, and they are responsible for any profits or losses. They do not enjoy any special subsidies.


 No.2807362

File: 1d1f585cd63ae1f⋯.jpg (34.24 KB, 720x404, 180:101, willie wonka.jpg)

>>2807356

>Continued efforts will be made to deepen the reform of SOEs and state-owned assets, including mixed-ownership reform in a tiered and category-based manner. Foreign investors are welcome to participate in the reforming and restructuring of Chinese SOEs. We will work for greater transparency in government regulations, ordinances and standards at all levels and higher consistency and predictability in policy execution. A level-playing field will be resolutely enforced. All companies registered in China will receive fair and equal treatment.


 No.2807493

File: aa2121b2dffadb8⋯.jpg (237.2 KB, 960x640, 3:2, 17c0b6e3-b93a-4560-b6fe-9a….jpg)

>>2805930

how will /marx/ justify this


 No.2809420

Made-in-China diamonds ready to rock global market

https://www.rt.com/business/450869-china-diamonds-global-market/

>Unlike naturally occurring diamonds, which form over the course of billions of years, synthetic diamonds are made in a matter of weeks.

>Chinese companies have mastered the technologies to manufacture them en masse within a short period of time. The products are practically indistinguishable from those mined from earth.


 No.2809437

>>2809420

Lmao, De Beers porkies and African warlords on suicide watch!


 No.2809439

Isn't that place polluted to high hell?


 No.2809442

I want to believe that comrade Jinping has a master plan up his sleeve, and the current presence of capitalism in china is just a smokescreen.

I WANT TO BELIEVE


 No.2809443

>>2807493

Can Jin be my wife? thx.

I would also slam the other girl that looks like a dude if she smells nice


 No.2809444

>>2809442

If he was it would all but disprove historical materialism.


 No.2809445

>>2809444

How so?


 No.2809452

File: 3f8631a4ea3c339⋯.png (237.21 KB, 680x460, 34:23, 3f8631a4ea3c3396efb00c8e01….png)

>>2809442

He does. Xi has made it abundantly clear that he intends to honor China's Marxist-Leninist heritage and begin the shift out of the primary stage of socialism. It will all happen in due time. China needs to use state capitalism for the time being to stay alive and develop in this capitalist-dominated world. Once they become the world's largest economy and the US empire collapses they will finally be in the position to spread Marxism-Leninism and expedite the development of nations all over the world.


 No.2809459

I just listened to the episodes of David Harvey's podcast about China yesterday and it really made me think that Deng was necessary for China's development. China has achieved unbelievable progress since the reforms. He explained how China solved the unemployment crisis brought about by the financial collapse by investing a shit ton in construction and infrastructure development. He stated that China used more cement in the years following the 2008 economic crisis alone than the United States did in the past century. Now that China's economy is incredibly advanced and developed, they can finally start looking forward to the socialist future they intended to build since the beginning. Harvey mentioned how China is taking technological and scientific advancement very seriously, especially AI. He also pointed out that the point of AI is to reduce and eliminate the need for labor, which seems to imply that China intends to focus on reducing labor in the future. In the next decade or so, China will likely be in the place that the US is in now; writing the rules of the world economy. Once they occupy that place, they'll be able to spread Marxism-Leninism like the US spreads neoliberalism. Despite the resounding success of Deng's reforms, I really do wish they could have been a decent amount more fair to the workers and kept the influence of the NEPmen Porkies down to a more reasonable extent, but Xi is doing that now. Anyway, I really think Mao's dream of China playing its historical role in the development of socialism is going to come true.


 No.2809461

>>2809459

>I just listened to the episodes of David Harvey's podcast

link, dumbdumb


 No.2809465

>>2809461

I found it through an email from Richard Wolff's organization.

https://www.democracyatwork.info/acc

Listen to "The Significance of China in the World Economy" first, and then the more recent one. He gives a good explanation of the rationale and context of Deng's decision to open up China's economy and talks about the remarkable progress China has made since then.


 No.2809645

>>2809459

Deng was a plain criminal, he allied with US imperialism and destroyed the Iron Rice Bowl.

David Harvey is a revisionist retard.


 No.2809675

>>2809645

t.cia agent


 No.2809691

>>2809459

Now hold the fuck on. Wasn't Harvey arguing that Deng was a literal neoliberal in his book about neoliberalism?

I mean not that I expect anything consistent from that confused dude.


 No.2809696

I mean, I really wanna believe that China is doing all this stuff with automatisation and labour time reduction to go full socialism but honestly it's a bit idealistic, isn't it? CPC city governeurs built empty apartment buildings for fucks sake to keep their GDP growth up. This housing crisis there contradicts any claim that the CPC cares about material indicators when it comes to growth. Even if Xi is serious about Marxism, it's a dance on the razors edge. What if the next generation after Xi, who is the last generation that got his education in the Mao and early Deng era, will think that socialism is traditional Chinese community values and Han nationalism? Because many Chinese already do that.


 No.2809700

>>2809452

Has Xi ever even remotely or faintly try to define what he means by Marxism-Leninism?! Because his book says nothing about it and neither do his speeches. Even the official Chinese party journals don't properly define those terms even in the most basic way.


 No.2809725

>>2809675

Deng literally helped the CIA.


 No.2809733

>>2809700

The Marx anime is approved by the CPC Propaganda bureaus for promoting Marxism and so far it doesn't neglect any of Marx ideas.

God, I would never think I could use a Chinese anime as a source for this, but I think that it shows to a great extend how Marxist theory is tolerated in China.


 No.2809740

>>2809452

I'm not betting on China doing shit for anywhere on Earth other than China's bourgeoisie


 No.2809784

>>2809445

Because it would suggest that the political leadership of a country could hold an ideology and protect a set of interests that are incompatible with their mode of production. This may be possible in the short term, as we saw with the Bolsheviks and the NEP, but not for 40 years. Especially when there are plenty of literally bourgeois (as in own businesses and exploit workers) party members, some in positions of leadership or influence. Xi himself is worth hundreds of millions and possibly billions.


 No.2810545

File: f233b3e9eb508a3⋯.jpg (112.08 KB, 980x551, 980:551, huawei-5g.jpg)

US pressuring Canada and Germany to ban Huawei

https://www.rt.com/business/450990-canada-huawei-ban-us/

Canada, like several other countries, is considering banning tech giant Huawei amid fears that future 5G networks could be used for spying by Chinese intelligence.

The US and its allies have already shunned Huawei and is pressuring Canada to do the same for security reasons.

At the same time, China is Canada's second largest trading partner after the United States and Beijing has threatened retaliation if the Chinese tech giant is banned.

https://www.rt.com/news/450999-germany-huawei-5g-us-china/

Washington seeks to enforce its China policy upon its allies, a German industry union head has said in a rare remark. He warned that conceding to Washington’s demand to ban the Chinese giant Huawei would be harmful for Germany.

The US wants its allies in Europe and elsewhere to ban Huawei from taking part in developing the latest generation of 5G mobile networks on their territories.

The US might “be tempted to use its economic might to enforce its own sanctions on others,” Kempf said, adding that the approach contradicts the very idea of “free, rules-based international trade,” which Europe cherishes.


 No.2810549

File: b386bd2b1b9d1de⋯.jpg (27.88 KB, 700x483, 100:69, pathetic1.jpg)

>>2810545

>forcing western states to buy overpriced shitty hardware just to stave off the inevitable for a few years


 No.2810577

>>2810545

I wish i know what its really all about.

Obviously the spying thin is just an excuse otherwise the US wouldn't be trying so hard to enforce a ban everywhere.

Seems like some sort of bully move Trump likes to do. But what for?


 No.2810936

>>2809784

Uh, did the CNN say that (chinese politician) is an ebill billionare?


 No.2810960

>>2810577

It's about technological superiority: it is the 21st century equivalent of banning musket exports to African states.


 No.2810986

>>2810577

The intelligence agencies are lazy fucks. Letting Chinese tech-coms company spread across the world (or any other non-US controlled) make it harder for them to spy, and control foreign flow of information. They can't just ask the CEO of Huawei to put backdoor in their products like they do with Western companies. They aren't exactly lying when they say that it's for US defence, if the US offensive capacity against your country are limited, you're being a danger to their hegemony.


 No.2811034

File: 11e263a28c0916e⋯.png (229.26 KB, 1440x904, 180:113, Sieppaa.PNG)

File: ea085b03d60173b⋯.png (30.83 KB, 1169x336, 167:48, rfd.PNG)

Reddit is going fucking apeshit with anti-chinese bashing because a chinese company invested on their platform, and that apparently means Reddit is supporting chinsese sensorship or something, so better start screeching about Tiananmen, Tibet and Taiwan.

Could also be a deliberate propaganda campaing considering how easy their shitty site is to manipulate. Considering the lies around Huawei and the chinese muslims currently being used to stir anti-China sentiment in the west it's not that far-fetched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SAkUs3urrg


 No.2811038

>>2811034

All the articles we're reading now are just the tip of the iceberg. Best brace yourself for the impending cringe of the Third Red Scare.


 No.2811060

>>2811034

>Falun Gong

yikes


 No.2811070

>>2811034

The anti-China xenophobia on Reddit is absolutely insane. Reddit is such a fucking fascist website.


 No.2811094

>>2811070

Yeah it's fucking stupid. Called someone out the other day in the breadtube sub for not having a fucking clue what he was talking about, he admitted it, but still got upvoted because they're all retards and liked the sound of his nonsense.


 No.2811108

>>2811094

What irks me the most is the stuff about Taiwan, most of the comments seem oblivious to the fact that the conflict between PRC and ROC is not about about a country named Taiwan wanting indepence from PRC, but both claiming to be the legitimate goverment of all of China. Its like they pretend to be experts on the issue when they know nothing about chinese history.


 No.2811117

>>2811108

I don't really see much about Taiwan tbh, just a load of moronic identitarians crying about muh brocialists no matter how unrelated. Some sperg was trying to pin the antics of their retarded radlib comrades wrt AngieSpeaks on the eternal brocialist yesterday - OBSESSED.

Worst are the people that get BTFO and downvote you the moment you've stumped them. Go read a book you little faggot. This is why leftypol was superior because people would get bullied for being total brainlets and other brainlets had no way to back them up if you'd stumped them too.

Sad that I'm pretty dumb by leftypol standards but smarter than like 95% of leftyreddit.


 No.2811120

File: d394c33760ac547⋯.jpg (149.73 KB, 1080x699, 360:233, img_20180919_0858371.jpg)

>>2811034

>muh "occupation" of Tibet

Under the seventeen point agreement of 1951, the Tibetan government actually remained in place under China. The aristocracy launched an imperialist backed revolt in 1959 in an attempt to preserve the system forever. After this, the Tibetan government was declared illegal and fully annexed by China, bringing about the end of feudalism, serfdom and theocracy in the region. Serfs were burning their feudal contracts and dancing in the streets.

Tibet was freed with the aid of the People's Liberation Army.


 No.2811162

File: 09a1a44024d3abf⋯.png (102.79 KB, 415x361, 415:361, mao swimming.png)

>>2811120

based and redpilled


 No.2811165

You guys are on to something here. Bees portal from our nationally owned media firm are running a small, but first page article about Chinese spies in Brussels (Brussels is crawling with Chinese and Russian spies is the title).


 No.2811167

>>2811165

Bees=news


 No.2811186

>>2811117

I was talking more about reddit morons in general not just breadtube


 No.2811191

>>2811186

"Breadtube" is the most cringe shit ever though, it's people like Peter Coffin, NonCompete or ThoughtSlime - all absolutely unbearable!

I mean I'm a Maoist but I'd never join into this radlib propaganda about China or call it a "Hitlerite" dictatorship like some Maoists do on Twitter.


 No.2811193

>>2811191

ThoughtSlime annoys me on the basis his shitty talking character is CalArts reject tier but there's like two frames of animation, his voice is annoying too. Not tried anything else, but breadtube just seems to be total shit in general.

Honestly I think I just hate the internet in general at this point.


 No.2811197

>>2811193

I'm listing some good subs, and channels, that aren't sectarian(all approaches are flawed)/LARPish, or liberal (polite sage, as this derails the thread a bit)

BadMouseProductions

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFEmOPY04flXH-QpMMAGeJA

Philosophy Tube

https://www.youtube.com/user/thephilosophytube

Three Arrows (Criminally underrated)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCT8a7d6S6RJUivBgNRsiYg

Finnish Bolshevik

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCvdjsJtifsZoShjcAAHZpA

r/stupididpol

https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/

I apologize if this gets a bit text wallish, but I need to get this off my back.

We all agree the D.S.A is fucking stupid, and has colonized Chapotraphouse. But identity politics is not bad, per se (think Rainbow coalition). We need to draw a line (i.e find a correct term) between liberal idpol, and uniting the working class, under one banner, yet acknowledging capitalism's tendency to make excuses for exploitation.


 No.2811209

>>2811197

When you try to draw a line between the good idpol and the bad idpol but the retards can't tell the difference so you move onto the next space to try to draw a line between the good idpol and the bad idpol but the retards can't tell the difference so you move onto the next space to try to draw a line between the good idpol and the bad idpol but the retards can't tell the difference so you move onto the next space to-


 No.2811252

>>2810936

No, reality says that. Nobody is even trying to deny it.


 No.2811256

>>2811197

Man bad mouse really looks like a man now. I remember when he looked like a skinny teen twink. Is this what taking the ☭TANKIE☭ pill does to the male body?


 No.2811259

>>2811252

Like Chavez family has billions? And Kim family eating human flesh?


 No.2811592

File: f1ff22f2ecc97f6⋯.jpeg (96.42 KB, 470x558, 235:279, 510C8B2C-9089-41EF-B1E6-1….jpeg)

>>2811094

Mao was right again:

>Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it.


 No.2811655

>>2811070

These people unironically parrot cartoonish propaganda. Imagine thinking that the Chinese drove over defenseless crowds of civilians with tanks and turned them into "meat pie" and hosed the remains down the drains, this inbetween murdering mothers clutching their infants and bayonetting teenagers. Imagine reading that sentence and accepting it as fact without thinking even twice about it.

America is hopeless tbh.


 No.2811750

>>2811108

There still is the liberal/socdem party in Taiwan that opposes the KMT and advocates more independence.


 No.2811756

File: d3762bc9482c75b⋯.jpg (86.24 KB, 599x399, 599:399, 1.JPG)

>>2811060

unironic oriental scientologist cult sucked off by western liberals

>anti-democracy

>ant-miscegenation

>anti-modern medicine

rational wiki has a whole list


 No.2811788


 No.2813195

Russia was a shithole up until the 90's. Gorbachev thought the supermarkets in America were dressed up to be so full of food. Find someone who lived through the communist bullshit and ask them how the food lines were, how empty the stores were. Get first hand knowledge and then think critically about how Socialism works.

Oh, and fuck commie China. Look at the four pests campaign and see what happens when someone is given total power with zero knowledge.

Everything that China has was stolen from another or given to them. There is no discovery or creativity left in the Chinese soul.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.2813215

>>2813195

Poor peasants owning centrally heated apartments, having electricity, radios, television sets, seeing toilets and bath tubs for the first time in their lives. Those evil commies.


 No.2813273

>>2813269

Actually swerdy throwing out a sizeable portion of what's produced because it's gone out of date is GOOD ACHERLALLY


 No.2813733

>>2811034

I hope the PRC shuts reddit down.


 No.2813739

>>2813269

>>2813195

>>2813273

That wasn't Gorby that was Yeltsin you dolts...


 No.2813741

>>2813195

>Russia was a shithole up until the 90's

Yeah when everyone started dying.


 No.2813761

>>2813195

> Gorbachev [sic] thought the supermarkets in America were dressed up to be so full of food.

I mean they basically are? A great deal of that food is thrown out everyday.


 No.2813770

>>2813739

Yeah, and it makes the story all the more suspect. Yeltsin obviously sold out the whole economy with glee, and his daughter is very wealthy and if not a billionaire herself at least married into billions. I don't doubt he said some dumb shit in a grocery store, but the notion that he was shocked by what he saw is ridiculous. It's not like Boris Yeltsin had literally never seen, heard of or read about the living conditions of western capitalists nations. He could watch a fucking movie and see a grocery store. He was obviously playing up his astonishment with a random Texas grocery store to ingratiate himself with an American audience.


 No.2813793

File: 84f782c67448141⋯.gif (37.82 KB, 952x565, 952:565, Soviet_Union_GDP_per_capit….gif)

>>2813195

CAPITALIST RESTORATION CAUSES TENS OF MILLIONS OF EXCESS DEATHS YOU FUCKING PIG

Modern day Russia has gone seventy ranks down in per capita calorie consumption compared to soviet times.


 No.2813803


 No.2813856

File: b8e28c584ded4ba⋯.jpg (206.48 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, 1280px-Trip_to_Ningxia_and….jpg)

File: 89b731210ac6fcf⋯.jpg (48.49 KB, 425x556, 425:556, cultarl-rev-2.jpg)

File: ed72500a4ccb547⋯.jpg (60.47 KB, 550x387, 550:387, Hai-rui-temple-cultural-re….jpg)

File: 1b9d41406ba4e1e⋯.jpg (93.21 KB, 360x636, 30:53, Wanlitod.jpg)

>>2790837

>>2791844

How can you honestly look at the ISIS tier garbage that happened and say the cultural revolution was a good thing? This is why nobody takes maotists seriously.


 No.2814120

>>2813195

/thread


 No.2814131

File: db61403736f5be2⋯.jpg (16.56 KB, 494x299, 38:23, 1537580797841.jpg)


 No.2814133

File: f760cf52c2b6647⋯.jpeg (28.52 KB, 435x324, 145:108, F2749AA6-2F15-45B2-93E8-2….jpeg)

>>2813803

ChINa iS StilL sOciALisT


 No.2814152

File: e80df66f4468f11⋯.png (400.42 KB, 600x750, 4:5, e80df66f4468f11cf22f2c154b….png)

>>2813803

Pic related is getting harder and harder.


 No.2814164

File: 9a60b6e77d423e4⋯.jpg (367.68 KB, 683x1024, 683:1024, 9a60b6e77d423e44d2f75878d1….jpg)

>>2813195

>Find someone who lived through the communist bullshit

why do libs always say this?

In high school I was an exchange student in a former soviet country and the consensus in my guest family was that it was better. Dad liked being able to go around eastern europe and travel the river don with his army buddies for free. Grandma was a teacher and hates what has become of education. I could go on.

In any event this meme of

>hurr talk to someone from the commie countries… t-they'll set you straight

is such garbage


 No.2814261

>>2813195

It was a shithole after 90 fam. Gnp reached 80s status only after 2010. Tens of millions died due to drugs, alchoholism. Crime went out of proportion.

If u had money saved to buy a new car in beginning of 89, that money was worth 2 loafs of bred at the end of the year.

There was a total deterioration of the health system. If you had to go to hospital you had to bring your own syringes, drugs and other medical supplies and equipment. Also you had to pay the doctors in cash because noone was receiving any salaries.

School teachers stopped receiving salaries and parents had to bring cash to schools to pay them for their work.

All public infrastructure went to shit because there was noone maintaining it. The country was worse of than after the civil war in 1924.


 No.2814297

>>2814164

Slow your roll there. I've talked to the people personally that lived through it and the consensus was that Communism was the worst thing that has ever happened in their respective country. And this was of last week, not when you were a kid. So yeah, it is a valid argument.

(no, it isn't.)

 No.2814304

File: 6a8af7cb49c73dc⋯.jpg (450.56 KB, 950x751, 950:751, 6a8af7cb49c73dcfdd329359ba….jpg)

File: 02448b5ada8b3b9⋯.jpg (162.75 KB, 837x726, 279:242, 02448b5ada8b3b9f3fb0eaeceb….jpg)

File: bba8128ca4cba64⋯.webm (12.82 MB, 320x180, 16:9, 1993 russians defending t….webm)

>>2814297

yeah and so have i, and they all have positive views. so do the majority of Russians, Czechs, Hungarians, etc. according to various referendums and polls. the Soviet Union alone had a population of nearly 300 million people, a few gusano types or people who were barely teens during the Gorbachev era aren't enough for me to believe that everyone single person who lived during socialism hated it, especially considering the positive view that most of those hold of it.


 No.2814306

>>2814304

also worth mentioning that anyone can make up a story to support their view point. you can say "yes i have talked to many people who say gommunism was the worst thing ever" (funny how in all these anecdotes you anti-communists never provide any information like how old they were when socialism fell in their country, it's always just "this person i totally know said communism killed his whole family and he could never buy *insert x good and/or service* trust me) just as much as i could say "my dad grew up in the USSR and he said literally everything about it was perfect". it doesn't make it true, so unless you can provide some statistical evidence that shows most people have a negative view of socialism in their respective countries you're really not proving anything.


 No.2814307

>>2814297

lol I buy bottles of wine with Stalin's face on it from an old Armenian dude who definitely lived through.


 No.2814313

>>2814297

Lol, clearly you've never ever met a person from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc. Now stop lying.


 No.2814941

>>2784535

>gdp per capita

isle of man global superpower 2020


 No.2814943

File: aadd1509bec1cee⋯.pdf (40.21 KB, CIA-RDP84B00274R0003001500….pdf)

>>2813195

>meanwhile in the real world


 No.2815033

>>2782290

HIGH QUALITY POSTING


 No.2816180

Guys, what is going on in Xinjiang and Urumqi?

Is it all real or it is just speculation?

Thanks for your attention and for the answers in advance

t.very concerned Muslim


 No.2816237

>>2781507

ITS THE MOST ANTI IMPERIALIST FORCE ON EARTH. LIKE CURRENT USA DEFENCE MINISTER SAID "REMEMBER, CHINA, CHINA AND CHINA". THE PORKY FEARS THE DENGIST.


 No.2816658

It's text-book US agitprop with no concrete evidence beside testimonies from US founded NGOs.


 No.2816695

>>2816658

Fuck muslims though


 No.2816708

Do people actually think China is socialist? From my perspective they've realized that state capitalism is the most effective form of capitalism and merely hide behind the politically "communist" state in order to keep the proletariat in check. Am I wrong in this?

I'm not baiting by the way, legitimately curious


 No.2816747

>>2816708

Nah, that's right

>>2816237

Comparing China's situation to NEP is plain retarded. NEP permitted foreign investment and market competition between worker-owned enterprises, but private employment was strictly limited and industry wasn't privatized. Meaning that a real bourgeoisie class did not form and when they started rolling it back, the only opposition could come from rural kulaks and small store owners. Meanwhile China has literal billionaires. Even if the CPC decided to construct socialism tomorrow, they'd have to do it through bloody class war (and I doubt there is political will for it). China fucked up, there's no other way about it. It's been 40 years.

-some anons work I stole


 No.2816757

>>2816747

Chinese billionates are in the CPC. They simply give away their billions when said


 No.2816769

>>2816237

China is imperialist, it’s Germany to America’s UK in 1914.


 No.2816775

File: 4ec718eac8c7b69⋯.jpg (101.79 KB, 1108x644, 277:161, WfpJ0EE.jpg)

>>2816757

>implying mad, "Asian work ethic (sucking up), based family fascism", confusionists, are revolutionary in any way

Lao Tzu could have been amazing, if he wasn't spooky as shit, and you should google him.


 No.2816836

People calling Chinese investment in Africa neo-colonialism are doing a lot of heavy lifting towards erasing the actual genocidal horror of colonialism.


 No.2816839

I read a research paper the other day that was the source of a recently propagandized statistic about how Chinese have positive feelings towards the new social credit *system* (not score), and I was disturbed the massive category error the author had made where they insisted to put Sesame Credit and social credit under the same name.

For those who don't know, Sesame Credit is an opt-in rewards program managed by Alibaba that has no legal basis and cannot punish you in any way, it is simply design to encourage you to use Alibaba services for discounts. It's a shoppers rewards card.

The social credit system is a "system" for transparently and effectively enforcing laws that already exist. So in one famous example, fare evasion on a train can get you banned from riding trains for a certain number of days. You do not lose points on a score, nor do you get punished in other ways. You just get put on the train blacklist. That IS social credit, it is not AI-driven invasive social control, or a technologic panopticon. It's enforcing the rules, which exist for good reasons, and it no wonder Chinese think it's a good idea.

The reason this is problematic is becuase there is no effort by most people tasked with informing USians about China that cares what the social credit system is, instead they come with this one two setup: There is a black mirror-esque score in China, and most Chinese support it. It's incredibly fertile ground for racist theories about the oriental mind to flourish.


 No.2816844

>>2813803

This meeting was pretty forcefully denied by Beijing btw.


 No.2816952

File: 660ab9515fc27ba⋯.jpg (5.93 MB, 2976x3968, 3:4, IMG_20190124_202200.jpg)


 No.2817033

Netflix just released some over-the-top anti-China propaganda with a bunch of falsehoods about various not-banned things being banned, and pictures of xi drenched in a blood red filter while random scary words float across the screen. A Jon Oliver special is coming soon I expect. The topic is going to be either Social Credit or Xinjiang, I'll put money on it.


 No.2817071

File: 79e75b637c528a2⋯.jpg (42.51 KB, 700x307, 700:307, joy-luck-club-san-gabriel-….jpg)

have you guys ever read the joy luck club?


 No.2817264

>>2816695

Lmao kill yourself


 No.2817319

>>2817264

No. I will rather send hem to de-relegionize camp


 No.2817444

>>2816836

Are you suggesting that China isn’t extracting profits from its investments in Africa?


 No.2817451

>>2816839

I think it’s naive to expect that social credit will simply just be used for mundane shit like train fare. Think about the concept from a Marxist perspective.

>The social credit system is a "system" for transparently and effectively enforcing laws

In other words it’s a tool of law and order, but the proper class analysis begs the question: Whose law? Whose order? China is a bourgeois state, and as such this is bourgeois law and bourgeois order. If you think this won’t be used to undermine organized labour in China, crack down on strikes, on anti-revisionists, and on worker’s movements of all types.


 No.2817484

>>2817451

Well I think you hit the nail on the head. It is naive to think that "law" will be used just for train fare. The few people who actually know what social credit is often promote dystopian visions of it because they think all Chinese law is illegitimate, and hate the idea of the enforcement of law becoming more effective. This recent yellow panic has been triggered partly because Chinese regulations in all sectors; in health, labor, food safety, corruption, data privacy and yes, censorship, have started to be seriously enforced. But it's not a score.


 No.2817491

>>2817444

that would be imperialism, not colonialism m8.


 No.2817494

>>2813856

>How can you honestly look at the ISIS tier garbage that happened and say the cultural revolution was a good thing?

There is nothing wrong with destroying reactionary and bourgeois culture. Reactionary ideology will linger even with changes material conditions. Only vulgar materialists think otherwise. From Mao and Pol Pot to Hoxha, they have all realized the necessity of waging ideological war against remnants of the past.


 No.2818406

File: 4653e956ce53c7e⋯.jpg (34.95 KB, 420x420, 1:1, xi jinping pepe.jpg)

File: d6a2f62012fc19e⋯.png (1.51 MB, 1600x1600, 1:1, lesbian socialism with chi….png)

>>2782309

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/06/c_137020127.htm

I would say they are quantitative differences, as according to the Chinese government

>China's private sector has made an important contribution to economic growth, head of the country's industry and commerce federation said Tuesday.

>The sector now contributes more than 60 percent of China's GDP growth and brings in over half of China's fiscal revenue

>The private economy is also playing a stronger role in China's job creation and innovation drive by providing over 80 percent of jobs and contributing more than 70 percent of technological innovation and new products in the country, according to Gao.

>He said that last year, more than 90 percent of new jobs were created by private businesses.

>At the end of 2017, there were 65.79 million individually-owned businesses and 27.26 million private enterprises in China, which employed some 340 million people.

Although I just got an email looking for a skype interview for a job there, so idk. If I go there I'll post back in this thread, although of course anecdotal evidence is secondary


 No.2818566

People who criticize China solely for it's market economy are ofc totally braindead and ignorant of Marxism. EVERY worker's state will have to undergo a DoTP period where it is forced to interact on the world market, before all it's trade partners too become communist. It is hard to overstate how much the leftcoms & Trots have totally ruined the Western left with this line of thinking for the past 100 years.

With that said, there's no way the CPC didn't have the intention to enrich themselves with the reforms under Deng. They didn't even have to go down the NEP route, they could have just made serious political reforms to ensure millionaires had no way to have seats in government or influence it at all. But there was no political will to keep the party's proletarian character, clearly.


 No.2819510

File: fdefcab963f04ea⋯.jpg (76.02 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, peter-joseph-stalin.jpg)


 No.2819537

>>2819510

>Peter Joseph of The Zeitgeist Movement praises China's state capitalism for its efficiency

>silicone valley STEM labor aristocrats support state capitalism

better than 90s libertarianism


 No.2819648

>>2819537

>silicone valley

? he hates them

>STEM

he supports cybersyn / cybernetic socialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9zqqpXKdFM

>labor aristocrats

you couldn't be further off. he despises workerism and thinks all labour must be automated asap. also he believes borders should be abolished. he's even more of an internationalist than you, mr. fourth international flag-bearing trotskyite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7qvzzRlWjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucCvhD1Bhk


 No.2819981

>>2819648

> utopianism

ok bud


 No.2819992

1989 tiananmen square massacre


 No.2820007

>>2819992

thanks deng


 No.2820231

>>2819981

someone praising chinese state capitalism for its superior efficiency is now "utopianism"?


 No.2820550

>>2816180

>>2817494

The red guards actually harassed Muslims a lot during CR, and there's even official apology


 No.2820556

>>2820550

>there's even official apology

That's what happen when you halfass your only job. Let's hope this time no apology will be needed once they are liberated from their feudal superstitions.


 No.2820585

File: 08f491957cc35f0⋯.jpeg (290.85 KB, 1240x1754, 620:877, g.jpeg)


 No.2820616

>>2788390

Deng also


 No.2820634

Can we do Maoist memes thread again?


 No.2820701

>>2820634

We need this again


 No.2820709

>>2782536

Norinco


 No.2820819

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612997/the-crispr-twins-had-their-brains-altered/amp/

How is He Jiankui doing? I've read that he could end up in the death row.


 No.2821373

File: be1fc7119ca9f4b⋯.png (176.96 KB, 375x222, 125:74, 3322129fb47ee6877f1fc365a4….png)

>>2819992

Or as we Dengist call it;

The Culling of Liberals


 No.2821830

>>2819648

Computers are STEM. Also this guy is a utopian, which is pure labor aristocratic ideology.

>>2819648

>also he believes borders should be abolished.

>all labor aristocrats are xenophobes

lol no

>>2820585

>The app comes with a Snapchat-like messaging function where messages disappear after being read.

>Snapchat-like

Was good until this part, the app needs to be burned in fire now. You had one job Xi.


 No.2821834

File: 00e7d1c150df93e⋯.png (113.09 KB, 600x315, 40:21, 12TTQIZAWSJEbJE7RjMIfdg.png)

>>2821373

>that pic


 No.2821858

US "China Watchers" are completely zoinked out now. Many of them just imagining war crimes against China, no context, just threatening to kill millions of Chinese people and warning them they should get ready to be killed. Let me grab an example.


 No.2821860

File: 5531fc860836478⋯.png (209.53 KB, 537x641, 537:641, fascism.png)

File: 192623c589837fa⋯.png (181.38 KB, 550x623, 550:623, fascism2.png)

>>2821858

This guy has been advocating for war with China somewhat low-key over Taiwan for years now. A typical sort of white supremacist asia expert who waxes over his gross racism with psudo-scholastic pontificating about oriental despotism. Has just dropped the facade now. Talking about Germany after WWII and the need to bomb China back to the stone age, and this.


 No.2821863

>>2821860

Ahem, I mean WWI. This guys bad, though he's not the worst, which is kind of shocking.


 No.2821975

File: ce4906b9eb3642d⋯.jpg (62.53 KB, 850x400, 17:8, quote-politics-begin-where….jpg)

>>2821860

>13 likes

Oh shit, the neocons are gonna start WW3

For real, twitter fights between people with under a thousand followers shouldn’t be posted, it’s irrelevant to IRL politics, their is no viewpoint or idea that doesn’t have at least one supporter. This doesn’t matter. What matters is the amount of people who support a position.


 No.2821989

>>2821975

What– no. Greer is dismayingly influential among China hawks. These are think tank guys, journalists on the China beat and China "watchers". Elite opinion and media editorial policy is crafted based on the reports they write to each other. What some random senator or bureaucrat official thinks they know about China is delivered to them by these guys. It does NOT matter how popular an opinion is. They are the "elite". The US public did not, and will not in the foreseeable future, vote on (much less be aware of) the development of US foreign policy.


 No.2822007

File: 59bff17380833ef⋯.png (114.85 KB, 581x508, 581:508, Screen Shot 2019-02-22 at ….png)

>>2821989

>What– no. Greer is dismayingly influential among China hawks.

Just checked his most recent tweets and the most liked one was 26. The American elite is over a million people large at least when you factor in all the CEOs, board of director members, large stalk holders, military officers, high paid bureaucrats, labor aristocrat STEM professionals, think tank guiros, and high level members of PACs, the RNC, and DNC. The American elite is a very large section of the population percentage wise and in sheer numbers when compared to previous numbers, even those who are just concerned with foreign policy, the neocon think tank members, military officers, and diplomats, this is thousands of people.


 No.2822013

>>2822007

>>2821860

this guy has some cataclysmic interpretations of things


 No.2822044

>>2822013

I don't know what you don't get. It's not the number of likes on those specific tweets, its that the content of them was the original product of the guy. If 0 or 1000 people like it it wouldn't change what I'm drawing attention to, which is what the us China Watching community believes and curates their presentation of China towards convincing others it is right.


 No.2822048

>>2821860

>>2822007

Is there anything worse than nerds on Twitter who take things too seriously? Smh


 No.2822075

>>2822048

Yes. American retards that bring up said twitter shit.


 No.2822203

>>2822048

Twitter just gives you insight into the careers of think tankers— everything they eventually package into a report is hashed out on Twitter first. I take CSIS and AtlanticCouncil et.al. seriously because I have to. The “elite consensus” on China had been overwhelmed by Hawks in the last two year because of Trump, and the hawks are just advocating for full scale war now.


 No.2822317

>>12842000

>>5347230

The zio conspiracy in one line:

Trannification is a deepstate process targeting democratic groups like Freemasons and religious and family-loving groups like Christian churches to corrupt and distort them, to use them as deniable garbage for black ops which are blamed on Freemasons, Freedom tards and true Christians. Done by Occultists. All occultists end up working for the deepstate.

They target those who oppose communism. If you oppose it they will get to you and you won't know it until it's too late. Hypno.

Maybe China is conspiring too


 No.2822854

Daily reminder to learn Mandarin so you can defect when WW3 comes


 No.2823186

File: b2dc2c3e5685b74⋯.jpg (186.39 KB, 800x449, 800:449, 2-48.jpg)

Is Naomi Wu a prototype for the female socialist with chinese characteristics?


 No.2823475

File: d269a18003f08ec⋯.png (390.7 KB, 991x1000, 991:1000, 3b6d89cbd718cdec92cb62c442….png)


 No.2823480

File: 745b20f45d3eacb⋯.png (195.86 KB, 1065x774, 355:258, imf_.png)

>>2782290

>most OECD countries have 90% of the investment done by private entities

The private share isn't necessarily that high. The public provides massive subsidy for fundamental R&D in all advanced economies even if the results are ultimately privatized.

Several rich countries also maintain substantial public assets.

Norway goes the furthest and has the majority of non-housing wealth in public hands. Their sovereign wealth fund is the largest in the world, and a nontrivial share of global market cap.


 No.2823493

>>2788511

Why not release the tech and have HIV resistance and high Autism Level for all?

Why not have public fertility clinics that allow anyone to have a CRISPR baby with whatever genes they want?


 No.2823579

>>2823493

Because I didn't get to choose my genes.


 No.2823592

Could be of interest, though quite liberalism

https://www.readingthechinadream.com/


 No.2823696

File: 3ba81b06135b9ff⋯.pdf (1.5 MB, SSRN-id2593377.pdf)

Dumping some stuff


 No.2823704

File: 44565a7951c3ae7⋯.jpg (257.36 KB, 1000x661, 1000:661, 290b8454c41dd9da58fae83535….jpg)

Will Taiwan or China achieve communism first?


 No.2825483

File: 88238bc60ea7c4c⋯.jpg (69.17 KB, 763x566, 763:566, kim-and-xi.jpg)

>>2813803

>WSJ

"no"


 No.2826002

File: f2e5629e21b74c2⋯.png (252.44 KB, 716x537, 4:3, mio newspaper.png)

Saw some Falun Gong shills on Dam Square today. The billboards they had set up were more anti-CCP propaganda than the bullshit front of meditation and spirituality. In that regard it's surprisingly honest, showing what's behind the mask.

Bourgeois freedom stinks, it means these fascists are able to openly preach their poison. We even have a scientology church right infront of the country's largest college. Atleast our southern neighbours banned scientology for being a cult.


 No.2826211

just found out, how cucked Gorillaz are…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7h9AMtjfZc


 No.2826222

>>2826002

Interesting thing is the Epoch Times is a Falun Gong paper, which has some inexplicable connection to Trump. Also China Uncensored on YouTube is them to iirc. They get a ton of funding from Taiwan.


 No.2826349

>>2823704

>Implying Taiwan isn't a part of China


 No.2826372

File: 5d65dfec8aab817⋯.png (28.34 KB, 265x461, 265:461, china peoples assembly sta….PNG)

>>2818406

Strange how no Dengists will respond to my Chinese source saying how the majority of GDP growth and nearly all new jobs are in the private sector. I'm interested to hear someone explain how this is building socialism when for decades the trend has been towards more privatization, not less. It seems to me like China is not in an extended NEP but stuck in glasnost or something. It's hard to say the government is still a Leninist organization when the standing committee of the people's assembly looks like pic related. Not to mention the apparent lack of criteria for belonging to the CPC itself. For people that think they are capitalist but a dictatorship of the proletariat, how do you explain the coexistence of the CPC with openly bourgeois parties, along with the allowance of someone like Jack Ma in the party? I really don't understand Ismail on this point


 No.2826516

>>2826222

Yeah I quickly stumbled upon the Epoch Times and China Uncensored while looking for information on Falun Gong. Just like shills such as Charlie Kirk get big bucks for spreading domestic anti-socialist propaganda, there's a whole network of shady think tanks and societies (a typical article about China or North Korea will mention these aplenty) in Asia that spread imperialist propaganda, you can probably get a better living that way than most workers in SK or Taiwan.

>>2826372

>China has a small KMT party in the People's Assembly

So much for communist repression.

Anyways it seems that unironic dengism has died down but there's still an agreement that we need a more realistic assessment of China than "it's literally Mordor guise muh 100 million no freedom tiananmen"


 No.2826871

>>2813195

>Russia was a shithole up until the 90's.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF REVISIONISM


 No.2826872

>>2813856

>muh statues

Despookify yourself you idealist cuck


 No.2826877

>>2826372

Yes, China has been carrying out several liberalizations but it's not comparable to what Gorbachev did, let alone to the shitshow that Russia became from Yeltsin's rule onwards. They never dogmatically accepted the neoliberal recipes the US and the World Bank tried to shove up their throats. China still maintains a largely state-controlled economy no matter how much external pressure is being put on the country. Of course this isn't socialism, but it is pretty fucking far from a laissez-faire economy too. And for all their failures, the liberalizations did succeed in making China the world's second economy in a tremendously short span of time and pulling millions of Chinese out of poverty - although there's no denying a large-scale purge of the bourgeoisie will be needed if the government ever decides the time is ripe to move on to actual socialism.


 No.2826879

>>2826372

Also I don't think the existence of bourgeois parties forms a problem. At least not in a fairly strong country that can defend itself against imperialism. Fair point about rich capitalists in the CPC though.


 No.2826882

>>2813195

>"muh food lines" even though there was no food scarcity or major shortage in the later decades of the USSR

benis

>someone who lived through the communist bullshit

do we really need to post the stats of the nostalgia for communism in Eastern Europe once again?

>up until the 90's

this has to be bait, read a book or at least a fucking article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/09/russia.artsandhumanities


 No.2826885

So, since no one ITT has answered this satisfyingly. What's with all the "Muslims in concentration camps" articles? Is there a good reason to believe that these are either true or false (apart from the probability that they're porky propaganda)? When did these articles start? Any reliable sources on this?


 No.2826971

>>2826885

Let me just bring it to the point. The whole thing started with the

>China Has Detained Up to 1 Million Uighur Muslims UN report says

hoax published by Bloomberg last year. Bloomberg is often reporting lies and missinformation about China that often get quoted by other U.S papers as legitimate reports without any investigation and it was this Bloomberg report that quickly spread trough the entire U.S. controlled media and beyond starting the whole campaign, slowly adding little lies on top with every iteration of citing each other. Before that there was only noise compared to this. It could so easily spread because they claimed the authority of a UN report to back their story.

The thing is that UN report never existed. Yet you can still hear people cite it all over the world. There was no such UN report. Months later Bloomberg silently corrected some of the false parts to "UN experts said" and added alot of "mays". The entire story is based on what "Gay McDougall" said in an open panel of the UN comittee called CERD when she was speaking on her own behalf and just asking a lot of loaded questions. She didnt talk on behalf of the UN. Nothing she said is part of any official UN report or investigation. She cited a 3rd party report published by the "Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders" (henceforth NCHRD)

Who is Gay McDougall? Gay McDougall is the official representant of the U.S.A. for CERD.

Whats NCHRD? NCHRD is an almost 100% U.S. government fundend "non-government"-organisation based in Washington DC. NCHRD is not a network. It doesnt network. Besides its blog republishing bad stories about China under their "humanitarian" name, its a shady business. Before the Bloomberg, their site was hardly telling what they where even doing and only left a googlemail address for contact. There where only 2 people including the apparent manager known, two people with a nearly 7 digit anual budget. Its clearly just a proxy to whitewash propaganda from questionable sources into "human rights activism". Their entire report is just a compilation of 3rd party reports. On a sidenote that report never even spoke about millions of interned Muslims but refered to reports claiming possibly "up to a million Muslims could be discriminated" in China. Bloomberg invented the "detained up to 1 Million". A few of the citations are from U.S. mainstream media including Bloomberg and NCHRD (you are reading right, they are quoting themself) Nearly all citations come from "Radio Free Asia" (henceforth RFA) or 4th parties citing RFA.

What is RFA? RFA is a news agency founded by the U.S. government. It's also funded by the U.S. government. Was at least, they have done their job and now comes the usual cutting of connections) RFA headquarters are based again in Washington DC. RFA is operated by the Broadcasting Board of Governors (henceforth BBG)

Whats the BBG? The BBG is a US federal agency under the supervision of the State Department. Their own job description is literally to spread propaganda to aid the U.S. regimes policies.


 No.2827160

>>2826971

Few corrections.

1) Camps and heightened security definitely exist, however the 1 gorillion is a clear fabrication for the reasons you wrote. A few thousand is justified given the actual history of terrorism in the region.

2) I don't think it was Bloomberg specifically, more like a combo from all the major MSM outlets at once. Bloomberg was 100% responsible for that fake chip hoax (Chinese gov was allegedly planting undetectable chips in servers used widely by Amazon, Apple, etc). News story was never backed up by any major intelligence agency and strongly denied by Apple and the like.

Besides that, this is mostly correct.


 No.2827177

>>2826877

I have said in this thread that I don't think it's neoliberal tier, I just don't see much of a difference between the Chinese Dream/ Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and social democracy. (Ironically, every socdem complains about evil totalitarian China, when in reality that's probably the best case scenario for their ideology - incredible sustained growth for decades, massive poverty reduction and rise in living standards, etc.) Like I said, it seems like they are stuck in glasnost - they stopped just short of Yeltsin-tier whereas the Soviet Union continued to full blown liberalization. Also I disagree with

>if the government ever decides the time is ripe to move on to actual socialism

This seems like idealism, putting the superstructure above the base. Which is something I see around often, is people thinking the CPC can just flip a switch and "activate" socialism.


 No.2827963

File: defea0a18bd741f⋯.png (247.92 KB, 1772x607, 1772:607, chineseconomy.png)

>>2827584

In 2014 China economy specialist Nicholas Lardy concluded that the private sector now produces at least two-thirds of China’s GDP.

https://b-ok.cc/book/2383994/4406cb

>The central finding of this study is that the economic reform process that began in the late 1970s has transformed China from a state-dominated economy into a predominantly market economy in which private firms have become the major source of economic growth, the sole source of job creation, and the major contributor to China’s still growing role as a global trader.

>pic related from the book


 No.2827996

>>2827963

Also from that book:

>China’s government revenue relative to GDP is identical to that of Mexico, 2 percentage points below that of Malaysia, and 5 percentage points below that of South Africa.28 Thus, there is little evidence in the fiscal data of the overwhelming power of China’s bureaucracy.

>The case that the Chinese state is one of the world’s most powerful in terms of the ownership of the means of production is closer to the mark than the claims with respect to employment and income. But this study has already presented evidence that the state’s power in this domain is shrinking. This is reflected in the declining share of industrial output produced by state and collective firms, from 100 percent of output in 1978 to about one-quarter in 2012. State and collective firms controlled all of the country’s productive capital in the industrial sector as reform was getting under way, and one can infer from the production data that its share of productive assets has dropped precipitously since. Second, the investment data examined in chapter 3 show that state firms’ share of investment in industry has been declining since 1980, while that of private firms has been rising. By 2011, private firms’ investment was almost three times that of state firms in absolute terms


 No.2827997

File: f62ad723977fa96⋯.png (204.01 KB, 1546x958, 773:479, chineseconomy2.png)

Last post ITT unless someone wants to continue arguing this shit. Exactly how China hasn't had political liberalization is nothing short of a miracle, I'd be interested if anyone has a good materialist explanation of that


 No.2828118

>>2827997

>Exactly how China hasn't had political liberalization is nothing short of a miracle, I'd be interested if anyone has a good materialist explanation of that

bruh, you actually believe the neoliberal meme that capitalist restoration in socialist countries makes them more democratic? that's not materialist at all


 No.2828121

>>2827997

Why would political liberalisation be at all in the interest of the chinese bourgeoise? It already finds ample expression of its class interest through the CCP.


 No.2828174

>>2817484

Sorry, backreading this thread for the first time in a while and I just wanted to say that I think that something a lot of people overlook with the "Yellow Panic" as you term it is exactly that over the past 10+ years China actually has started implementing regulations from the Central Party Apparatus down to the Provincial & Local levels and something people miss is how salty this makes not only Foreign Capital Invesment from the West but also that from surrounding Asian Territories & even Domestically. It's exactly because these things are potentially threatening the cushy postion of Imperialism in China that even those that aren't neccessarily allied with western Imperialist powers & blocs are at least, privately, pleased with the propaganda efforts of this Red Scare that is being created by the US over unease about their status as the Hegemonic world power.


 No.2828202

>>2828118

Not that it would actually be more democratic for workers, bur porky generally prefers liberal democracy


 No.2828214

>>2827997

I think that it has a lot to do with the CPC having the benefit of hindsight in establishing a modern capitalist state. They've learned the lessons of the 19th century, mainly that you have to keep workers satisfied, or else they will begin to develop a political consciousness and make demands not only for improved conditions and wages, but the right to freely organize, and for greater democracy. Despite the Dickens tier horrors that exist in China, they have made great gains in the standards of living, which has suppressed the desire for political liberalization.


 No.2829154

File: d4d045d966f8a8d⋯.pdf (3.47 MB, ccp perspectives in china.pdf)

File: 7381fe235a581e5⋯.png (17.07 KB, 521x394, 521:394, chinese communist party.PNG)

File: 20c31cbfe3e9aad⋯.png (41.1 KB, 230x300, 23:30, thinking man emoji.png)

For people who think "at least the CCP is a communist party that adheres to ML", here is a funny chart from an interesting study about the social composition of the CCP and people's opinions of it in China.


 No.2829331

>>2827160

>2) I don't think it was Bloomberg specifically, more like a combo from all the major MSM outlets at once.

Bloomberg published the first major article explicitely claiming the "1 Million in internment camps" hoax and the other major MSM channels all copied Bloombergs newly fabricated wording not even MC Dougal herself used, because unlike media she has to be cautious what she accuses people of without evidence, as even the propaganda report initially explicitely only compared the situation in cities with heightened security methaphorically to camps but didnt actually claim a gazillion would be inside camps.

Its highly unlikely they all came up with the same lie right after Bloomberg at the same time independently.

This is the so called UN report they are now refering to as UN expert opinions because even the UN officially denied the claims of it being a UN report or even a UN body.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0dRYffeng

Sure it doesnt really matter since they are all colluding but its good to remember where the roots of this "evil" are.


 No.2829339

>>2826222

>>2826516

>They get a ton of funding from Taiwan.

Taiwan is just as much a proxy in this as is that Falun Gong cult.

Its rooted 100% in Washington, everone else is just pawns in their game.

The "America Uncensored" channel they created after backlash of their blatant racism getting called out is hillarious. The flattery of the Trump regime couldnt be any more blatant.

>Trump good!

>Democrats bad!

>China bad to the US!

>Trumps policies good!

no critique about America at all and barely any views.


 No.2829347

>>2829331

Bloomberg hates China. I don't know what's up with them. They hate them more than any other western, except RFA I guess. Their straight reporting is always a hack-job and the put a bunch of outright racist cranks on their opinion page.


 No.2829349

>>2829339

>Taiwan is just as much a proxy in this as is that Falun Gong cult.

Kinda, but the Taiwanese government does indeed fund anti-Chinese scholarship and media and it has for decades. One interesting thing I learned recently was that Taiwan's government furnished scholarships actually prohibited recipients from ever traveling to mainland China. So we got Taiwanese educated China experts who had never been to the country.

Chinese government scholarships have no such restrictions btw


 No.2830648

If the USA's war with China went hot, would the Chinese be able to use any possible connections with American Corporations into submission?

The Nazis appealed to American Corporations and Industrialists which brought production to a stand-still for a short while. You don't hear of it for some reason. Americans don't realize that all Corporations care about is profit so you can "convince" them to fuck shit up.


 No.2830650

>>2830648

Probably not. And a real war between them would have no winners.


 No.2830686

Something interesting happening the last few days. A number of major US, Canadian, Oz newspapers coordinating quite openly against a Chinese company, Huawei, whose main crime seems to be being Chinese. Aggressively policing other outlets against a “PR offensive.” This seems bizarre that this is just accepted as normal behavior.


 No.2830720

So is China socialist or nah?


 No.2830724

>>2830720

The CPC is a rerun of the same bullshit that European social-democratic parties were like a century ago. Radical in principle, bourgeois in practice. Career politicians LARPing as proletarians, basically.

China is still lightyears ahead of the rest of the world though. It is the only country on the planet where it's possible to imagine popular discontent taking a communist form at the moment. Socialism and Mao's legacy still hold weight there. In my humble opinion, China is effectively mankind's last hope.


 No.2831100

File: 0f6e15153cb6fd8⋯.jpg (45.89 KB, 400x341, 400:341, Xi-at-CPS.jpg)

“Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Soviet Communist Party collapse? An important reason was that their ideals and beliefs had been shaken. In the end, ‘the ruler’s flag over the city tower’ changed overnight. It’s a profound lesson for us! To dismiss the history of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Communist Party, to dismiss Lenin and Stalin, and to dismiss everything else is to engage in historic nihilism, and it confuses our thoughts and undermines the Party’s organizations on all levels.”

“Why must we stand firm on the Party’s leadership over the military?” Xi continued, “because that’s the lesson from the collapse of the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union where the military was depoliticized, separated from the Party and nationalized, the party was disarmed. A few people tried to save the Soviet Union; they seized Gorbachev, but within days it was turned around again, because they didn’t have the instruments to exert power. Yeltsin gave a speech standing on a tank, but the military made no response, keeping so-called ‘neutrality.’ Finally, Gorbachev announced the disbandment of the Soviet Communist Party in a blithe statement. A big Party was gone just like that. Proportionally, the Soviet Communist Party had more members than we do, but nobody was man enough to stand up and resist.”


 No.2831194

>>2830724

China tends to be Dengist and a neoliberal dictatorship with protections. Dengist China has been funneling money from Wall Street and European banks for 40+ years along with business people. In part due to slave labour, if Mao was as upright as he was meant to be he would never permit that to happen to his people.

> China is effectively mankind's last hope

I feel sorry for you if you believe a neo dynastic imperial nation (and a long running history of having vassal nations and destroying cultures is anything like you said.

https://rense.com/general85/China%27sPlanToConquer.htm

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/chinas-six-wars-in-the-next-50-years/


 No.2831207

>>2831194

>rense.com

Isn't that a white nationalist jewish conspiracy website?

>aspistrategist.org.au

Isn't that a right-wing Australian think-tank?


 No.2831219

>>2831207

Maybe, maybe not

But are they wrong though?


 No.2831286

>>2831219

I mean… as a pretty well read person in Chinese thinking, communist or otherwise… that's a total fabrication. Chinese people don't believe in a "Chinese race," but have subdivisions of things like Chinese nationality, Han ethnicity, and subdivided various minorities or vassal states. They don't object to religion as a competitor to their country, they believe, unlike Stalinists, in controlling religions and no one in China who is a party member is atheist. Only consumerist, tuhao people are atheist. Only poor farmers educated in Mao's reign are "atheist," but they are still leftover folk religious people and they don't think about "god" like Western theology does. They were formerly illiterate Confucianists, not Judeo-Christian. So yeah, rense's shit is manufactured without obvious knowledge of Chinese history and culture.

As for the other source… China is not a country that can engage in war like others can. Furthermore, I think China is the subversive element— the United States is not good at beating China in these games. They have tried many times and failed. Tiananmen for one, did not bring some social upheaval. Nor did the more recent student protests in Hong Kong. Indeed, China doesn't fight literal wars: they fight trade and culture wars, and they are doing a good job. They don't need imperial conquests to get their way as such. Thus, the source is just reactionary capitalist hoo ra about nothing.


 No.2831316

>>2831286

The mass migrations of the Chinese into Canada USA and Australia are not nothing and seem to accord with the sources. The Chinese themselves seem more than content to continue to undermine those countries as some kind of retribution for the century of humiliation. You may justify the attempt towards the USA for being a blantant imperialist but its concerning to rationalise the subversion of Canada and Australia who had embraced Chinese the most and tends to be awefully insidious and treacherous. The rense source as well as aspis for better or worse converge on the events which have been unfolding in recent years. Dismissing those sources as "outsiders" when they have reasonably and considerably confirmed the climate in the South China Sea and the Chinese version of Lebensraum would be oblivious at best and suspicious at worst.

China had subjugated Vietnam for 1000 years, made Korea and vassal state and had destroyed pre-Kanji era Japan. More recently, had created an implicit caste system in Malaysia leading the Malay riots. Singapore was returned to Malaysia but the Chinese made sure it was away from Malaysia. There was also the Soviet and Chinese boarder dispute instigated by China among many other imperialist designs.

When the so-called CCP denies those actions meanwhile mobilising them with urgency like the bygone Dynasties have its just deflection and obfuscation. Its communist and socialism might suffer too by the actions of China.


 No.2831377

>>2831194

Wow, what a vile, misanthropic little rat you are. I was quite critical of the CPC in my post, but clearly that wasn't enough for you, as I don't believe that Chinese people are an inherently aggressive race of brutes hellbent on annihilating culture or whatever the fuck you're going on about.

>I feel sorry for you if you believe a neo dynastic imperial nation (and a long running history of having vassal nations and destroying cultures is anything like you said.

You don't feel sorry for me, you're just angry because I said Chinese workers have revolutionary potential, which clashes with your national chauvinist/xenophobic anticommunist worldview. Don't even try to deny your open racism. Why else would you use China's imperialistic and self-interested policy as proof of it's lack of revolutionary potential when literally ever fucking major bourgeois power does the same?

Communism is impossible without China, they are too important a player on the world market to be excluded from a post-capitalist system. Cry about it some more, retard.


 No.2831386

>>2831100

Good excerpt, I haven’t read much of Xi’s speeches / writings but I was pleasantly surprised by this. The military is an all-important force for the construction of socialism and must be closely integrated with the people, state and party. This is why under socialism I am in favor of conscription.

>>2831194

Is this the power of /leftypol/‘s Marxist analysis in the current year?


 No.2831388

>>2831316

>The mass migrations of the Chinese into Canada USA and Australia are not nothing and seem to accord with the sources. The Chinese themselves seem more than content to continue to undermine those countries as some kind of retribution for the century of humiliation.

Not how it works. People, such as the upper classes of Hong Kong, Beijing, Taiwan migrated (especially starting in the 1990s) to first world destinations like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Seattle, Sydney, Melbourne and so on for better economic opportunities and living standards. Go talk to a Chinese immigrant and ask them what they think about your "retribution for the century of humiliation" theory and they'll have no idea what you're talking about.

>Chinese version of Lebensraum

One-child policy (1979-2016), full reproductive rights (contraceptives, abortions) for women and a strong political and cultural emphasis on parents educating and nurturing their only child instead of just popping out a bunch of uneducated kids doesn't seem in line with your theory of "Lebensraum" and all its implications.

>China had subjugated Vietnam for 1000 years

China or the "Chinese" people is a modern concept. You clearly don't know much of the history of the dynasties, khanates and other political states that ruled parts of the region now known as China.


 No.2831414

>>2831377

I didnt mean to give you any shock treatment. Ignoring factual history and current affairs for the sake of ideology, especially by socialists and communists, would be negligent. With your eruption towards the fact of imperialist and geopolitical designs of China you do seem like the proverbial boomer who would lick the feet of the Chinese unironically while betraying the generations local people. Complain to the jannies all you want and call for a ban if you like but remember this: if communism and socialism until recently has been at an all time low it would reach another low once it becomes apologetic towards China considering both historical and current events. More people would flock to /pol/ than they did after Gamergate as normies have been affected and would be affected by the said "soft power" of the Han Chinese.

Posts like yours can make it frustrating when talking to others about socialism and communism who are outside the respective boards and, guaranteed, being apologetic to country that tries for Lebensraum would further entrench people away from socialism and communism.

>>2831388

>Not how it works. People, such as the upper classes of Hong Kong, Beijing, Taiwan migrated (especially starting in the 1990s)

You literally skipped two decades and redacted people from China starting to migrate too en mass with visa programs and then with 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧investor🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 visas along with those

> "retribution for the century of humiliation" theory and they'll have no idea what you're talking about.

They know, try as they might to hide it they know. Not to mention the implications of "owning" and belligeance towards Canada and Australia and that at the smallest slight there would be sanctions

>doesn't seem in line with your theory of "Lebensraum" and all its implications

One question: does the one child policy apply outside of China? The correct answer and despite of mental gymnastics is an emphatic no. Furthermore despite the one child policy they have saturated Western Canada and the West Coast of the USA. I suppose the imperical statistics are reactionary and misanthropic.

>China or the "Chinese" people is a modern concept. You clearly don't know much of the history of the dynasties, khanates and other political states that ruled parts of the region now known as China.

They have subscribed to being Han Chinese and identify as such and act in accordance with their cultural narrative encompassing to the chargrin of the China Apologists the neo-dynastic imperialism

So far I have provided source which have not been merited on their factual basis rather than ideological which China, to put it ideologically, considers itself non-Chinese as the proletariat and themselves the bourgeoisie specifically being their rightful place through soft power. Africans were expecting jobs but those expected jobs were given to the Chinese flying from China, pretty much scabs forming a caste system like they did in Malaysia which cased the riots there. Swap the name China for Britain and you might find yourself starting to think differently.


 No.2831415

>>2831316

>the Chinese are migrating to undermine the West

>China instigated the Sino-Soviet split

>China subjugated Korea and Vietnam

Except the CPC helped in both the Korean and Vietnam wars? And the SS split was about 50-50 responsibility, maybe even moreso the USSR's fault? And what evidence do you have of that pol-tier conspiracy theory? There is legitimate criticism of the CPC but this is absolute bs.

>>2831386

Read The Governance of China if you want to understand Xi Jinping thought in its entirety. It's not very impressive, mostly platitudes and dogmatic adherence to the reform and opening up.


 No.2831424

>>2831415

Thanks for the book recommendation, comrade.


 No.2831432

>>2831414

>They know, try as they might to hide it they know.

Not an argument.

>Not to mention the implications of "owning" and belligeance towards Canada and Australia

Are you Canadian? Why are you blaming all Chinese people for the fault of a few billionaire/multi-millionaire real estate speculators who took advantage of your government's policy of having no regulations on real estate?

>Furthermore despite the one child policy they have saturated Western Canada and the West Coast of the USA.

What's your point? Do you feel antagonized by all those Chinese people?


 No.2831535

>>2831194

>neoliberal dictatorship

>neo dynastic imperial nation

gtfo American shill

>and a long running history of having vassal nations and destroying cultures is anything like you said

it's not like the country was an empire and then became socialist at some point

>>2831219

>I mean yes they're fascists but why would that make them unreliable?


 No.2831567

>>2831100

can you please post a link to the full source?


 No.2831570

>>2831316

>>2831194

>>2831414

>rense.com

You may as well quote Trumps Twitter account for reference of the utterly baseless and fabricated propaganda bullshit maskerading as flat earth tier conspiracy theory bullshit you are dumping here.

No in fact even that would be more sensible.


 No.2831793

>>2831316

VERY racist.


 No.2832156

File: 75c9b0af2c72fa7⋯.png (250.41 KB, 576x566, 288:283, da7cd30f4dd78b72c95211aa4e….png)

>https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/condition-working-class-shenzhen-peasant-workers-authoritarian-consumerism

>In another case, a hundred workers were required to stay late after work to observe a disciplined employee read out loud a message of self-criticism she had been required to compose.

oh no no no


 No.2832416

>>2784564

>Contrast this to China where the Communist Party not only continues to control the commanding heights of the economy, but has actually expanded this control in recent years. All while livings standards continue to soar, and income inequality (both regional and between rural and urban regions) continues to decrease,

Why wouldn't this apply to the US after FDR?


 No.2832421

>>2831570

>words words words

It's just text comrade, rense publishes almost everything that's submitted, sometimes it's on point, sometimes it's garbage why the strong emotion?

Trumps on the spectrum so if anything he's more credible, than say Clinton


 No.2832484

File: b0982b8a71a7681⋯.jpg (5.65 KB, 225x225, 1:1, oi.jpg)

Oy, libertarded faggots! I 'ave a question fer ya. What the fook is outhoritharean about China and CPC rule? Because CNN said so?

Seriously faggots, tell me.


 No.2832942

Can someone please tell a new poster how western billionaires are imperialist porkies but Russian and Chinese billionaires are anti-imperialist workers rights champions?


 No.2832943

File: 5002592f17b699e⋯.jpg (66.02 KB, 474x569, 474:569, bjork.jpg)

>>2832484

can't legally fap to bjork.


 No.2832954

>>2781579

Absoluttely dank, I've recently started to fucking love the shit out of Mao, fuck the landlords, fuck kapital, fuck revisionism, never stop revolutionizing


 No.2832973

>>2832156

I don't see what's really that "Capitlaistic" about this

Self-Crit has been a popular part of Maoist / Chinese Socialism for a long while long before Deng Xiaopings Market reforms


 No.2832975

>>2831194

>NeoLiberal dictatorship with protectionist policies

>Neo-Imperial Elective Monarchy

This is why some shouldn't be allowed to use the internet


 No.2833933

>>2832156

>according to sources familiar with the matter

>Julie Greene

>Huffington Post editor

>Rockefeller Foundation fellow

sounds legit


 No.2835296

>>2821860

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Greer🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧


 No.2835300

File: 4192626fe8772f8⋯.jpg (26.46 KB, 960x893, 960:893, karl marx smiley.jpg)

It's been 4 days and noone has been able do describe what is authoritarian about CPC rule?

Blimey, all you Jackaroo ockers fucking suck and will go to gulag.


 No.2835974

>China’s 93 billionaires’ lawmakers have an accumulated wealth of US$504 billion while the 50 richest members of the US Congress have a combined wealth of “only” US$2 billion!

https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/asia/china-s-billionaire-lawmakers/


 No.2836159

>>2784564

>>2791863

>>2827963

>>2827963

>>2835300

Only one post in this thread called China authoritarian

>Contrast this to China where the Communist Party not only continues to control the commanding heights of the economy, but has actually expanded this control in recent years.

Wrong

>>2827997


 No.2836357

>>2835974

>South China Morning Post recently published a highly interesting report about the wealth of China’s lawmakers. [1] The paper is known as a serious source and it certainly knows what it’s talking about

>South China Morning Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wait hold on a moment

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>thats the first line of the article too

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no


 No.2836383

File: a172f39b1fd2a81⋯.jpg (936.83 KB, 2000x1334, 1000:667, 1552407442809.jpg)

>be you

>be lead into this room

>you hear the door behind you shut

>the bag covering your head gets taken off

>this is what you see

What do?


 No.2836386

>>2836357

So you are saying it is an outright lie?


 No.2836391

>>2836383

Call him a filthy revisionist and say he is not better than Tony Blair.


 No.2836428

>>2836419

>Arkan

Just buy a new refrigerator anon, you can get old ones cheap.


 No.2836434

>>2836419

love unruhe in there


 No.2836487

>>2836383

this picture is pretty insidious tbh


 No.2836488

>>2836383

Ni hao yo mayo gee gee


 No.2836492

>>2836454

Dengoids will defend this.


 No.2836912

>>2836383

Oh bother!


 No.2837264


 No.2837270

File: bb22c0ef84d71bc⋯.jpg (169.59 KB, 1280x878, 640:439, carter and castro.jpg)

>>2836454

real gommieism has never been tried


 No.2837271

>>2836383

w-what's in that black purse

actually existing communism?


 No.2837372

>>2836383

this picture looks like a scene from a political thriller movie


 No.2837373

>>2837372

Xi never looks intimidating though.


 No.2837375

File: 4138f2d8d7189e0⋯.jpg (1.29 MB, 3064x2096, 383:262, spoopy.jpg)

>>2837373

he looks spooky here


 No.2837384

>>2837372

Or Goodfellas.


 No.2837388

File: 563af820393c06c⋯.jpg (70.75 KB, 720x632, 90:79, O71Z7WH.jpg)

>>2837270

>trying to get sanctions lifted

>same as a failed NEP where party members party member are bought by billionaires and cooperate with the U.S on trade


 No.2837455

File: 97955667e18bb27⋯.jpg (91.96 KB, 960x520, 24:13, fae319a3e3d318accf1d2ee89a….jpg)

File: efc1ae3192cd600⋯.jpg (43.06 KB, 600x400, 3:2, 0629-OASSAD-Cuba-Syria-Bas….jpg)

File: de8201dee8d7726⋯.jpg (44.22 KB, 450x410, 45:41, kim il sung and khamenei.jpg)

File: ef911af60802829⋯.jpeg (43.76 KB, 700x564, 175:141, milosevic us flag.jpeg)

File: 36987414f0c52b5⋯.jpg (55.93 KB, 960x1080, 8:9, 40460866_10160689653605697….jpg)

>>2836419

Why is ISIS there? The only communists supporting them are one Italian Maoist party and some Trotskyists.


 No.2837486

File: 98a2364f8d7d1a5⋯.jpg (91.3 KB, 1360x765, 16:9, castro-obama.jpg)

>>2837388

support castrism-o'bamism


 No.2837502

>>2837486

>diplomacy is counter revolutionary

tfw Stalin should be purged because he talked to FDR

>>2837455

Anti imperialism alone isn't worth stanning


 No.2837948

>>2836487

it's used constantly in in articles about the government by SCMP


 No.2838612

File: c05ffbc4aec2925⋯.jpg (60.94 KB, 660x371, 660:371, JASIC_strike_Image_JASIC_W….jpg)

i know this is kinda old news but for those who defend China what do you make of the Jasic Incident along with all the disappearances?


 No.2838630

File: c684dd86ee39f24⋯.gif (89.02 KB, 493x600, 493:600, churchill stalin truman.gif)

>>2837502

>tfw Stalin should be purged because he talked to FDR

This.

No handshakes allowed.


 No.2838633

>>2838630

>triple handshake

TRIPLE GULAG


 No.2840906

>>2823592

>neo-confucianism

>want to bring back a class of parasitic """"scholars""""

gulag and >>2801187


 No.2841908

>>2836386

The claim that the SCMP is a reputable and reliable paper, is as silly as calling Trump a cultured gentleman and chevalier.

SCMP is part of Washingtons propaganda web and responsible for most of the high profile fakenews about China. Its a proxy they keep citing as "Chinese media", even if the author is a U.S. educated white American who lives in Washington or one of these dual citizenship Hong Konger educated and tied via residence permits to the U.S. Its the go to source for fakenews about China for the whole clout of FOX, Bloomberg, CNN and all the other culprits. Its openly shows bias for Trump, the U.S., the "West" and is most blatantly anti-China and anti-CCP and just as often as its producing fakenews, just echoes U.S. made only so that U.S. media can cite their own fakenews as "according to Chinese sources". They turn every shitty Twitter shitpost into a frontpage article and 5 minutes later its all over Washingtons propaganda web.

The recent acquisition by a real Chinese company has not changed anything about the way the paper reports. I suspect they are just making the best out of the fact the paper keeps getting massive traffic due all the major Western media coorporations citing it no matter how wrong and low quality the articles are and shutting it down would just make the U.S. establish another proxy. So at least they can take the profits.


 No.2841909

>>2835974

>>2841908

As for the article about billionair lawmakers in China itself. You don't need to get past the headline

>China's Billionaire Lawmakers

That is already bullshit. They cite the Hurun report (more on that one later). According to that these 93 billionaires are "Politically Affiliated Billionaires in China".

The first layer of spin. Those are not all "lawmakers". SCMP quickly rushes over that refering to it as "delegates to the legislative and political advisory".

The second layer of spin. It's the majority of these 93 billionaires that are not "lawmakers" but "political advisors". Only 37 of the 93 are actually NPC delegates, which is a legislative body. The weight of billionaires is on the "political advisory" part, just like in the U.S. where Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett have a combined net worth as large as the next 10 Chinese counterparts combined.

Third layer of spin is that the NPC has nearly 3000 delegates as compared to 455 members of the U.S. congress. The whole group of "delegates to the legislative and political advisory" is 5000 against 455. They are comparing a much larger mass of people in first place. Out of these only 170 are part of the NPCSC. These are congressmen that could be considered actual lawmakers compareable to an US Congress man. I cant be arsed to check which one of the 37 NPC delegates are billionaires according the Hurun report, but the statistical odds are lower than 1 to 17.

The fourth layer of spin is that in the West people the standard is to go into politics, then make corrupt policies for certain coorporations and after that they become directors and advisors of those coorporations and start the careers making them billionaires. In China its the biggest enterpreneurs, best scientists, greatest schollars and so are pushed into consutling roles as result of their accomplishments. Its all apples and oranges.

This report labels Jack Ma, Pony Ma and Zong Qinghou as billionaire lawmakers. Its just bullshit.


 No.2841914

>>2835974

>>2841909

And finally comes the sources.

The Chinese numbers come from the Hurun report. Those are at best dubious estimates by Rupert Hoogewerf. The Hurun report provides no sources for their list.

Pony Ma Huateng was estimated at nearly 50 Billion alone. There are no public records of his wealth. Most of that is an estimate of the value of the private company he partly owns.

The issue is Rupert Hoogewerf has an agenda to shill capitalism in China and China as capitalist. Hes glorifying capitalists hording wealth. He promotes wealth hording as a competitive race. He openly undermines Deng Xiaopings reforms and attribute Chinas wellbeing alone to capitalism- The reports are nowadays extended to cover other countries but only as an afterthought. Its still aimed at China and was founded as capitalist propaganda for China. He and those suckered into this competition have a clear motive of inflating their numbers.

The U.S. numbers come from the Roll Call report which admits itself is not a comprehensive statement about the net wealth and provides an insight only. These must be understood as minimum and only public reported parts of their net values. In the U.S. they dont have to report certain personal assets like residencies. They have just ranges they have to report their wealth either. A congressman with a $ 500 Million villa and $ 5 Billion other assets may end up with the exact same public reported net wealth as a congressman with a $ 50 Million villa and $ 50 Million other assets.

The SCMP objectively does not and can not even know what its talking about. Neither can the subliminal key message that Chinese legislature is even more "capitalist" than the U.S. legislature be taken serious. thespooks.net took the bait here exactly like it was intended.


 No.2841924

>>2841909

>I cant be arsed to check which one of the 37 NPC delegates are billionaires according the Hurun report, but the statistical odds are lower than 1 to 17.

That should have been: I cant be arsed to check which one of the 37 NPC billionaires according the Hurun report are NPCSC members, but the statistical odds are lower than 1 to 17.


 No.2842690


 No.2842718

>>2841908

>>2841909

>>2841914

Thanks.

>>2842690

>Liu Zhongjing, arguably, is the forefather of the Chinese intellectual dark web, and currently its most notorious stalwart.

>A piece on Liu must necessarily begin with an argument as to why he merits serious treatment…

Weeeelll? Where's the argument? There is this:

>in 2009, he completed a translation of Flying Serpents and Dragons: The Story of Mankind’s Reptilian Past by R.A. Boulay, a dead-serious explication of the theory that an alien race, the Anunnaki, visited ancient Sumeria…

Then there is some more about him making incompetent translations of books that were stupid to begin with.

>Liu Zhongjing’s philosophy — Auntology — borrows heavily from the work of Oswald Spengler

Is Otto Neurath available in Chinese? He did a long and thorough review of Spengler, and Spengler didn't come out of that looking good.


 No.2844614

Would it be safe to read and search for Cockshott when I move to China?


 No.2846363

>>2844614

No. They said they would ban him if he keeps having lectures and gives out books.


 No.2846364

Also why hasn't the BadMouse debate not been discussed here as yet, you absolute faggots.

https://youtu.be/ryaBIjSlteU


 No.2846407

>>2846363

Source?


 No.2846831

File: e353d514b7d66b3⋯.jpg (205.9 KB, 565x598, 565:598, chicom world domination.jpg)

pic related is what republicans and alex jones actually believe will happen


 No.2849320

>>2842690

inb4 CIA instals him as the leader of a coup


 No.2849398

>>2846364

Well I am on the side of Ian of course, but I find that these debates don'T allow for a debate really, two parties state their stances and after each one did it and exchanged one or two arguments the subjects changes, this results in both parties coming out without their mind being changed at all.

Even though I found it really annoying how the Maoist always brought up his opportunistic line of the Soviet Union almost every argument he brought up started with "muh soviet union state capitalism". He cant really escape his ultra leftism


 No.2849402

>>2838612

I've read the wikipedia page and well it didn't sound good, of course. Iam way to unknowledable on the topic to make any claims but I think we should approach it not too dogmatic from both sides. I often see Anti Swcc communist jump to conclousions screaming "muh capitalism china bad" and pro Swcc "CPC good cant make mistakes".

It may be very well be that the CPC is making mistakes here, but we shouldn't forget that reactionary workers movments, corrupted by counterrevolutionaires have existed in every socialist country, the best example would be the Solidarność


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 No.2851547

How do you guys counter the China pollutes more so people who talk about Climate change should be angry at them?


 No.2851551

>>2851547

1. They pollute more because the west has outsourced its polluting industry to China.

2. Out of all countries, they are putting the most resources and effort into mitigating pollution and climate change.


 No.2851928

>>2851551

>They pollute more because the west has outsourced its polluting industry to China.

What a wonderfully way to say China caused deindustrialization and caused western workers to become unemployed.


 No.2851934

>>2851928

right on bro, fucking chinese insectoid commies caused that, not capitalism.

Am I right or am I right?


 No.2852131

>>2851551

Good reply for the first one point, but how to you reply to conservatives bringing up how China continues to build coal mines to this day?

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/What-Is-Pushing-China-Back-To-Coal.html

>>2851928

China didn't cause it you dumbass. Capitalists who realized they could make a bigger profit by making shit in China is what caused deindustrialization.


 No.2852351

>>2851547

They pollute less than Europe or USA per capita. They pollute even less by consumption per capita. IE, much of the pollution is for things that will be exported. Also, pollution from the massive US military doesn't figure into US pollution figures.


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 No.2852810

>>2852131

>https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/What-Is-Pushing-China-Back-To-Coal.html

>coal production up 5.2%

>energy production by coal up 6%

>doesnt mention higher energy production does not equal higher pollution or coal consumption due to more efficient and cleaner new coal plants replacing old ones

>doesnt mention the relative amount of coal used in Chinas total energy mix

>doesnt mention energy production by all sources was up 8.1% i.e. coal is down

<this development goes directly against the nation’s promise to decrease the amount of coal used in their total energy mix

<crushing blow to any optimism

>finally mentions China is building new more efficient coal plants at end of article

>doesnt mention they are also causing much less pollution

<this is also bad because it will increase the energy output by coal even more!

This may sound stuck up but sometimes I wish I where another blind sheep. How can you read that and not see this bullshit? How do these papers get away with this?


 No.2852812

I'm glad the PRC supports Brenton Tarrant's killing of 51 invaders.


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 No.2852822

File: dc13dbd82a79b4b⋯.jpg (29.06 KB, 789x350, 789:350, gettyimages-1033075540.jpg)

Yanis Varoufakis: Don't Worry So Much About China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBgbYQ5QAM0


 No.2852830

>>2809784

this guy marxs


 No.2852833

So did anyone watch the "is china socialist?" debate badmau5 hosted between the "On Mass"-podcast MLM guy (Mubarik) and Ian Goodrum? I haven't watched it yet. I fear it might be too cringey for me.


 No.2852909

>>2852833

I've watched it look here for my opinion: >>2849398


 No.2852933

>>2852833

It was actually pretty good and civilized.


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 No.2852944

>>2852938

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.


 No.2852953

File: d03686b4d5e0c01⋯.webm (5.47 MB, 800x450, 16:9, Varoufakis_dont_worry_abo….webm)

>>2852822

webummed


 No.2852986

>>2852938

hahaha cultural revolution when?


 No.2853020

>>2852833

Is a debate even possible when the two sides use two different definitions of the word Socialist? Those who say China isn’t socialist say Socialism is when workers own ALL of the means of production. Those who say China is socialist say socialism is when the head of state says workers will own the means of production in X amount of years from now.


 No.2853133

>>2852938

oh god fuck off, its the same as taking side for the

CIA controlled Solidarność


 No.2853174

>>2852812

>"Western pigs and muslims are killing each other, the situation is excellent."

t. Xi "The Jin" Ping


 No.2853285

>>2852938

>a member of a Marxist circle which combined struggle for workers’ rights with ecological concerns and a Chinese version of #MeToo

Ah the good old "Marxist" with Anglo American characteristics claimed but conventiently there is no evidence for anything story


 No.2853446

What about Huayou Cobalt?


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 No.2854163

>>2852909

>>2852833

>>2852933

>>2853020

Alright so I listened to it. I kinda like Mubarik but his anti-revisionist MLM shtick is autistic as hell. Ian made some good points and came off as a very likeable and sensible guy. I'm not a dengoid (I used to spend way too much energy debating that lenin hat retard on here) but I think the pro-China side "won" pretty clearly in this debate.


 No.2854254

Proles of the Round Table episode 23: Western Media is a F*** (w/ Ian Goodrum)

https://prolespod.libsyn.com/episode-23-western-media-is-a-f


 No.2854332

Someone recommend me some good (marxist) pro-China podcast episodes, youtube videos, etc. Preferably something I can listen to while doing other stuff but articles welcome too I guess.


 No.2854799

bamppp


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 No.2854881

>>2854861

Thanks. Those "Proles of the Round Table" twats are completely insufferable though. It's like they discovered r/fullcommunism yesterday and decided to start a podcast. The one with Ian Goodrum as the guest was pretty decent but literally only because of Ian.


 No.2855100

File: ac42414242ce32d⋯.png (515.94 KB, 695x711, 695:711, Screenshot_2019-04-03_03-2….png)

does anyone know, where I can get such a suit?


 No.2855281

File: 6482104ba619eeb⋯.png (204 KB, 271x370, 271:370, ian.png)

Chinese Socialism: A Streaming Talk With Ian Goodrum (Liberation News)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmjGgWh0AA


 No.2855396

Is there a chance for China to dislodge Greece and Italy from american/european hegemony?


 No.2855399

https://www.ft.com/content/72754638-55d1-11e9-91f9-b6515a54c5b1

New wave of trade union activism in China's tech sector.


 No.2855426

What's the difference between "Western imperialism" and "Chinese investment", in Africa?


 No.2855462

>>2855426

China does it

1. without military intervention

2. allowing for re-negotiation (Varoufakis talked about how easy it was to re-negotiate a deal with China, something an american or german company would never have done)

3. for mutual benefit and not just one-sided resource extraction


 No.2855463

>>2855462

You're a pretty fucking weird ancom. Not complaining though.


 No.2855484

>>2855462

>without military intervention

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Support_Base_in_Djibouti

>>2855462

>for mutual benefit and not just one-sided resource extraction

Except that to pay for Chinese “Investments” have to pay in debt, which they often can’t pay. Which results in China owning their infrastructure. This is littearly what the IMF does. Load up poor countries with debt they can’t pay, than when they can’t pay the debt take all their infrastructure. The only difference is with the IMF the infrastructure is privatized while with China Chinese state owned companies get the infrastructure.


 No.2855492

Check this out, this is incredible!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APRjsyrzjY


 No.2855493

>>2855426

China is socialist. The west is not.


 No.2855496

>>2855493

>China is socialist

Imagine thinking you can just flip the Gommunism switch when uncommited billionare party members exist


 No.2855503

File: 8bbd470ce7e80e3⋯.jpg (74.34 KB, 640x558, 320:279, 8bbd470ce7e80e3c8618416686….jpg)

>>2855496

Okay now I know it looks bad… that China has the highest volume of trade in the world, the biggest labor pool in the world, has plenty of high-tech cities, high-speed trains, basically its own internet, and that it has billionaires in its parliament, and they're mirroring Western imperialism, and they have wealth inequality worse than the US, and their economy is flat-out profit-centered… but dude, I swear, they're actually socialist. It's three-dimensional Go, they're going to betray capitalism and install communism any decade now…


 No.2855510

>>2855503

t. First worlder

No amount of "not true socialism" bullshit will save you from the wheel of history.


 No.2855522

File: 359dcb9dc50becd⋯.png (36.05 KB, 660x188, 165:47, SocialistDeffintion.png)

>>2855510

t idiot who dosn’t read facts

No amount of saying China is socialist will make it socialist.


 No.2855523

File: 16e597b64811266⋯.png (84.58 KB, 640x337, 640:337, iutf66xplnp21.png)

>>2855510

I-I- swear, they'll somehow break free of being controlled by Jack Ma!!1!


 No.2855524

>>2855522

No but they are because it's called the "Communist" Party of China.

Also their economy is state-owned.


 No.2855525

File: cdd42917b2c8018⋯.gif (188.31 KB, 800x450, 16:9, tumblr_inline_paq56645XT1s….gif)

>>2855524

>No but they are because it's called the "Communist" Party of China.

Nation SOCIALIST German Workers party tier and I hope this is an AstroTurf attempt

>Also their economy is state-owned

Communism is when the government does things!


 No.2855527

>>2855525

No no but listen.

They sent weapons to America's enemies.

Also the party is affiliated with the "International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties". Now if they weren't communist why would they join that group?


 No.2855530

File: ad45f17232c119d⋯.pdf (228.39 KB, Reading Guide on China.pdf)

>>2855522

>>2855523

>>2855524

>>2855525

China is socialist. If they weren't then why do they have a plan for it by 2050?

https://www.equaltimes.org/china-seeks-to-become-a-socialist


 No.2855535

>>2855530

America also enshrined life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but you can keep drinking paint if you want to retain your Dengist retardation.


 No.2855540

File: b2724fbb2cffc63⋯.jpg (221.81 KB, 1910x1856, 955:928, 1551287849483.jpg)

>>2855522

>citing dictionary definitions


 No.2855631

>>2855463

It took me a while to realize but Dengists and Sinophiles are annoying and naive but Sinophobes are annoying and naive too but they swallow and spread the most vile and fake imperialist propaganda so I defend China when necessary.

>>2855484

>Trot pushing imperialist narratives

Like pottery. If you could take a look at that wikipedia article, this is the very first overseas base of the Chinese navy. A first for what is normal for the US. And this isn't fucking military intervention?

As for investment, seriously reconsider the truism that it's the same as western imperialism. Infrastructure developments during colonialism were for the sole purpose of extraction, which is why so many African railways went unused after independence. And independence in a lot of countries was dubious, you still got western-backed coups, a collaborating comprador bourgeoisie left from colonial times willing to sell out their country once again, descendants of european settlers with disproportiate ownership of land etc. etc.

When an African country deals with China, they're doing so on a more sovereign and equal basis than when dealing with former colonial superpowers. A lot of infrastructure falls under Chinese ownership (more commonly, long term lease) but the investment actually has positive effects on developing Africa's productive forces. They are rapidly developing after decades of stagnation. For this alone China deserves credit.


 No.2855640

>>2855524

>No but they are because it's called the "Communist" Party of China.

Which means nothing

>>2855524

>Also their economy is state-owned.

Half of it is, the other half is privatized. A similar ration to France. Is France socialist, no?

>>2855527

>They sent weapons to America's enemies.

This isn’t socialism. Most of America’s geopolitical enimies aren’t socialists.

>>2855527

>Also the party is affiliated with the "International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties". Now if they weren't communist why would they join that group?

Because of Historical reasons.

>>2855530

>China is socialist. If they weren't then why do they have a plan for it by 2050?

>China is socialist

>China will be socialist by 2050

pick one

>>2855631

>Trot pushing imperialist narratives

In what way does the US War Machine use what I have cited as anti-Chinease propaganda.

>>2855631

>but the investment actually has positive effects on developing Africa's productive forces.

This is the same argument Europe used when colonizing Africa

>>2855631

>but Sinophobes are annoying and naive too but they swallow and spread the most vile and fake imperialist propaganda so I defend China when necessary.

I’m not a Sinophobe for wanting Chinese Workers to not be exploited by capital.


 No.2855644

>>2855535

But America got that

as long as you're rich


 No.2855652

肯特州立大学枪击事件 Kent State Shooting

帝国主义 Imperialism

美國愛國者法案 USA PATRIOT Act


 No.2855680

File: f57205d2a95c06d⋯.jpg (154.08 KB, 400x580, 20:29, KHH7rMw.jpg)

Current PRC is pretty much Not Socialist, barley even socialist, more even more oppresive capitalism. Maos china was kinder to the worker


 No.2855817

File: ac977746fcca1ad⋯.jpg (36.55 KB, 585x396, 65:44, crude-steel-production-by-….jpg)

To all the Dengists who are saying “China needs to build up it’s productive forces.” China already is “the world’s factory.” It already has more productive forces than America or the EU. So how much is enough? Their the second biggest economy for christ sakes.


 No.2856020

>>2855522

well the definition fits for the socialist sector of the Chinese economy, wich is the main economic secotr of the China wich makes the country socialist :)


 No.2856022

>>2855817

well China being the lead in steel production doesnt mean that their productive forces over all are more developed than the US?

They are still recognised as a developing nation, wich still catches up in parts like health care, rural life, poverty etc

I can link you some articles on it in like a few days, if you want


 No.2856784

>>2856020

>well the definition fits for the socialist sector of the Chinese economy

Same with France, is France socialist?

>>2856022

>doesnt mean that their productive forces over all are more developed than the US?

So you have to literally be the global hegemony to implement socialism? Give me a break.

>>2856022

>They are still recognised as a developing nation, wich still catches up in parts like health care, rural life, poverty etc

So was Russia in 1928


 No.2856800

How do China's bootlickers defend state violence, lack of free speech and lack of democracy?


 No.2856805

>>2856022

>wich still catches up in parts like health care, rural life, poverty etc

you fix that problem with socialism, capitalism causes them


 No.2856808

How is China more "socialist" than the Nordic countries? Is being tortured by the state more Marxist or something?


 No.2856811

>>2856784

>Same with France, is France socialist?

what? can you elaborate?

>So you have to literally be the global hegemony to implement socialism? Give me a break.

The productive Forces aren'T defined by leading in the world market, it is the combined development of the means of production and the knowledge and expertise of the workers

Those are uneven developed in China, it lacks behind in some areas. I'll link you something

>So was Russia in 1928

Sure, and Lenin said that these things cant be resolved without building the material basis for it through the NEP

>"Strictly speaking, there is 'only' one thing we have left to do and that is to make our people so 'enlightened' that they understand all the advantages of everybody participating in the work of the cooperatives…In this respect, NEP is an advance, because it is adjustable to the level of the most ordinary peasant and does not demand anything higher of him. But it will take a whole historical epoch to get the entire population into the work of the co-operatives through NEP. At best, we can achieve this in one or two decades…Without universal literacy, without a proper degree of efficiency, without training the population sufficiently to acquire the habit of book-reading, and without the material basis for this…we shall not achieve our object…the system of civilized co-operators is the system of socialism." - (On Cooperation, VI Lenin)


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 No.2856815

>>2856811

>what? can you elaborate?

The precent of government spending/ownership as part of GDP for China and France is similar.

>>2856811

>it is the combined development of the means of production and the knowledge and expertise of the workers

China is leading the world or second to Burgerland in pretty much every industry.

>>2856811

>Those are uneven developed in China, it lacks behind in some areas. I'll link you something

Capitalism creates uneven development. If your gonna wait for Capitalism to make Xijang as developed as Hong Kong you’ll be waiting for millennia.

>>2856811

>Sure, and Lenin said that these things cant be resolved without building the material basis for it through the NEP

When Lenin did the NEP he called it capitalism, no one in the USSR called the NEP socialism. They all knew it was a temporary stage of capitalism. If what China is doing right now is similar to the NEP that makes China capitalist. Also 1928 is the first year of the five year plans, when the NEP was abolished and the USSR became socialist.


 No.2856825

>>2856815

>The precent of government spending/ownership as part of GDP for China and France is similar

Well Government ownership of the economy doesnt neccecarily constitute socialism

>China is leading the world or second to Burgerland in pretty much every industry

It still lacks behind in medicin, agriculture, poverty rates, wages etc

It still is a developing country

>Capitalism creates uneven development. If your gonna wait for Capitalism to make Xijang as developed as Hong Kong you’ll be waiting for millennia

China plans their economy according to those problems to boost the areas that lack behind

>When Lenin did the NEP he called it capitalism, no one in the USSR called the NEP socialism. They all knew it was a temporary stage of capitalism. If what China is doing right now is similar to the NEP that makes China capitalist. Also 1928 is the first year of the five year plans, when the NEP was abolished and the USSR became socialist.

Well he called it state-capitalism, capitalism under a socialist DoTP.

China uses the same elements but with a dominant socialist sector of the economy, wich constitutes the country as a socialist one


 No.2856828

>>2856800

As long as capitalism exists elsewhere repression of internal dissidents will be required in order to prevent imperialist sabotage and subversion.


 No.2856855

>>2856825

> Well Government ownership of the economy doesnt neccecarily constitute socialism

That's his point.

> It still lacks behind in medicin, agriculture, poverty rates, wages etc

> It still is a developing country

That's because they desire those things. The resources to develop ARE there. It's capitalism that's keeping them down, and they're choosing to have it.

>>2856828

That's absolutely ridiculous. You can't force the people to adopt socialism, they must do it themselves through revolution. China had a revolution, that was betrayed and now it enforces the capitalist status quo upon its population using state violence.


 No.2856913

>>2855484

>Except that to pay for Chinese “Investments” have to pay in debt

Except that thats just oversimplified U.S. propaganda tier bullshit.

There are large Chinese grants that absolutely do not need to be paid back.

There are different types of investments that vary from most favourable credits for the creditors to planned losses for the Chinese lenders. Many Chinese credits are exactly the opposite of the proclaimed debt traps. China is often lending money to faciliate growth without any exploitation i.e. zero or near zero interest credits because it benefits China more if the economy is growing in independent foreign countries trading then with tham than throwing more money at business in China that struggle to grow further in the current economic system.

>debt they can’t pay,

In most cases they can or could if somone would actually invest in them and not just try to debtrap them like the IMF that is behind the screeching about Chinas mutual investments that quit the other way around in general result in countries being able to grow from the investment.

> which they often can’t pay

This is a simply wrong U.S. propaganda lie and hypbolic and false narrative repeating the ever same few cases that are many times in fact not fully or not even mainly Chinese investment projects and definitely not something common.

>Which results in China owning their infrastructure.

or not and they are just compensated in a way that does not equal ownership at all but is sold as such in hyperbolic and dishonest U.S. propaganda.

Or in the Chinese business lending the money is going bankrupt

Or in China extending the debts resulting in them being able to pay it back after all

Or in China kjust slashing the debts

Go shill your onesided White House propaganda page narratives elsewhere.


 No.2857148

>>2856825

>Well Government ownership of the economy doesnt neccecarily constitute socialism

No, but your using the word socialism as “government ownership of the economy” when you argue China is socialist because it has state owned companies.

>>2856825

>It still lacks behind in medicin, agriculture, poverty rates, wages etc

>It still is a developing country

Yes, but China is also has the highest industrial output in the world. It has enough productive forces to move beyond markets and develop soly using five year plans and develop faster using just five year plans than by using the current system. The reason China doesn’t do this isn’t because they can’t, but because the CCP is run by billionaires who don’t want to do this.

>>2856913

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3P3phdEibY


 No.2857547

>>2857148

>No, but your using the word socialism as “government ownership of the economy” when you argue China is socialist because it has state owned companies.

>you argue China is socialist because it has state owned companies.

I don't

>Yes, but China is also has the highest industrial output in the world. It has enough productive forces to move beyond markets and develop soly using five year plans and develop faster using just five year plans than by using the current system. The reason China doesn’t do this isn’t because they can’t, but because the CCP is run by billionaires who don’t want to do this.

Well their high industrial output doesn'T say anything about the state of their overall Productive Forces though. Yes, they are quite developed in some areas but they need to develop in others.

They are still a developing country


 No.2857579

>>2857547

>Yes, they are quite developed in some areas but they need to develop in others.

Capitalism won’t, and will never develop the interior of China, because Capital only develops the “most efficient” “most competitive” areas. Look at Burgerland, the most developed country in the world, a handful of it’s cities account for most of it’s GDP. If the CCP thinks’ capitalism will be different in China they are deluding themselves.


 No.2857580

File: 1236c6499056f81⋯.jpg (72.88 KB, 960x832, 15:13, fb90eeb675aae1cb60246a4533….jpg)

>>2856855

>fastest growing economy on the planet within the last decades

>fastest rise in living standards on the planet

<the policy of the CPC is keeping them down


 No.2857581

>>2857579

The main topic at the last party congress was to overcome the unequal development between cities and the countryside. It's their main agenda point now and remember that Chinese companies are either state-owned or must obey state orders. So let's see what happens.


 No.2857589

>>2857581

It’d be a lot easier without markets, but let’s see what’ll happen.


 No.2857592

>>2857579

>Capitalism won’t, and will never develop the interior of China, because Capital only develops the “most efficient” “most competitive” areas. Look at Burgerland, the most developed country in the world, a handful of it’s cities account for most of it’s GDP. If the CCP thinks’ capitalism will be different in China they are deluding themselves.

Correct, that is why the CPCh uses socialist planning to target those problem areas


 No.2857668

>>2857580

This. If eliminating poverty, raising living standards and growing the economy is the goal, clearly whatever the Chinese are doing seems to be working. Mao was based but China was poor as shit during his time. Would China have developed at the same rate if they preserved Mao era economic policy? Maybe, but probably not.


 No.2857697

>>2857148

>Caspian Report

lol thanks for proving my point about your retarded U.S. propaganda


 No.2858988

>>2811094

the amount of idpol and socdem fellation over there is depressing. not mentioning literally half the post are about pewdiepie since the shooting, as if thats where we should look for an explaination


 No.2859007

>>2811193

I started looking at breadtube when an university profesor studying media bias toward Venezuela did an ama, which was great, but 80% is shitty liberal content


 No.2859067

File: c6672de96765431⋯.jpg (53.15 KB, 600x600, 1:1, madman.jpg)

>>2836383

>probably about to die

>fuck it

>"你好, 小熊維尼!"


 No.2859843

>>2857547

>i dont

you do you fucking dengoid

>their high industrial output doesn'T say anything about the state of their overall Productive Forces

just fucking kys faggot how can you be this fucking dishonest

you're irredeemable, i rly want to believe china still has some worker state characteristics, but all evidence show it wrong. use some fucking arguments ffs, instead of those blatantly dishonest excuses. answer to marxists that point out massive contradiction between the displayed goal and the interests of the fucking billionaires with huge power in the party. dont pretend its a developing country if you want to be taken serioudly you retard.


 No.2859851

>>2859843

>you do you fucking dengoid

Can you point me to, where I argue in that manner?

My point is, that China is a socialist workers state, since China hold a DotP and a socialist economic sector that is the main sector of the Chinese ecnomy.

That sector is socialist, because it operates in a socialist Manner, with workers congresses that are being appointed by workers and the ACTU. It is structured as any other workers democracy in all of socialists states history.

>just fucking kys faggot how can you be this fucking dishonest

>you're irredeemable, i rly want to believe china still has some worker state characteristics, but all evidence show it wrong.

what evidence?

>use some fucking arguments ffs, instead of those blatantly dishonest excuses

I did, and listet sources you can read to educate yourself see here >>2856811

>>2856813


 No.2860119

>>2855522

>Policy or practice based on the political or economic theory of socialism

Even the definition you cited supports China being socialist


 No.2860153

Their strong nationalism and focus to ethnicity makes me feel a tad too nervous


 No.2860170

File: 076a3d576803928⋯.jpg (62.57 KB, 960x720, 4:3, CPC.jpg)

China is socialist and there's nothing you seething western imperialist liberal porkies can do about it


 No.2860183

>>2860170

*arrests Marxist students*


 No.2860187

A few brainlet questions:

How bad is poverty in China compared to India, and how many people work in sweatshops? How does the government justify the oppression of the uyghurs and the fact that taiwan/japan/south-korea is way more developed and poverty-free despite being capitalist and starting from being the same war torn shithole? How many chinese will have the living standards of the average japanese in the end of this century?


 No.2860189

File: 769960510ca032c⋯.png (347.66 KB, 3000x2100, 10:7, Tree-Map-of-Extreme-Povert….png)

>>2860187

>How bad is poverty in China compared to India,

not remotely comparable, see pic

>and how many people work in sweatshops

It's mixed. You would need a more specific question to get real data.

>How does the government justify the oppression of the uyghurs

It doesn't exist. The CIA and Saudi Arabia do not have a right to brainwash Chinese citizens into joining the Turkistan Islamic Party terrorist group.

>the fact that taiwan/japan/south-korea is way more developed and poverty-free despite being capitalist and starting from being the same war torn shithole

uh-huh…


 No.2860207

>>2860189

Just because sweatshop workers (which are like a tenth of the population) aren't in extreme poverty doesn't mean that they aren't suffering.

Uyghurs just want to practice their religion and be distributed the fruits of the resources in xinjiang, which all go to han chinese.

taiwan is better than china in every single way except maybe tourism factors like heritage sites or food, and they are capitalist and had the same economic conditions as the mainland after the wars.


 No.2860224

File: 989dc24265fa78b⋯.png (112.87 KB, 290x236, 145:118, unamused pooh.png)

>>2860153

/pol/ falseflagger or gullible liberal, what's it gonna be?

>>2860189

>uzbekistan

capitalist restoration really did a number on them huh


 No.2860247

>>2860183

Muh ciarxist students.


 No.2860252

>>2860224

As I am genuine it would have to be the latter case. Don't you see their incredibly strict immigration laws as symbolic of nationalism?


 No.2860261

>>2857580

>>fastest growing economy on the planet within the last decades

More like the history of humankind.

>>fastest rise in living standards on the planet

More like the history of humankind.


 No.2860264

>>2781507

>Bourg Revolution

>Good

This is the age which many internet right wings want us to forget form what ever was happened after Xinhai Revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olJiyaSYeUI


 No.2860274

>>2860252

What do you want? Total open border so that the CIA and Western NGOs and think tank can move freely everywhere in China?


 No.2860283

File: 3ac34be5592fea2⋯.jpg (286.63 KB, 1000x661, 1000:661, 3ac34be5592fea232c55931f27….jpg)

Alright /prc/, make me a dengist. What are some books or articles I could read? I'm really skeptical towards China but I'm willing to learn if your sources aren't biased.


 No.2860295

File: 1ad29a36f5cbfb3⋯.png (5.02 MB, 2000x1200, 5:3, china is nazbol fried.png)

>>2860283

Is China Socialist? The Debate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaBIjSlteU

Chinese Socialism: A Streaming Talk With Ian Goodrum (Guest talk) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmjGgWh0AA

I listened to these and thought they were pretty informative. I'm more interested in the question "does China have a marxist/socialist-oriented government?" than "is China in it's current state a socialist society?", so I try to absorb any information that would help me assess the former question and ignore any dumb arguments (for or against) regarding the latter.


 No.2860296

>>2860252

>Don't you see their incredibly strict immigration laws as symbolic of nationalism?

No.


 No.2860297

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4 I wonder if she was arrested for visiting /leftypol/


 No.2860300

File: 995594859240b59⋯.png (132.29 KB, 544x313, 544:313, kim il sung to todor zhivk….png)


 No.2860401

>>2860207

test

>Uyghurs just want to practice their religion

I’m anti-Dengist, but this is where you have to stop. State Atheism is a good idea, and those who oppose it are reactionary.

>>2860247

>Everyone who disagrees with me is CIA

Wow, great insight.


 No.2861595

as long as china is smart with their debt - and so far as i can tell they are, they'll be fine.

lagging slightly with debt.

not letting in a bunch of resource suckers / cheap labor. allowing their population to go down.

responsive to the people.

great ally.

could nuke dc if they wanted.


 No.2861799

lagging slightly w/ tech


 No.2862563

Based Comrade Xi.

>What trade war? Even more Chinese products coming to US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj2IjTGyCPg&t=3s

>China Ghost cities are now alive and filled with 300 million people -What is going on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MARuTRNLxU

>The Truth About 50 Million Empty Homes in China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmus9_a_hSI


 No.2863437

>>2862767

What kind of black ops 5 reveal is this?


 No.2863447

File: 5c42c5d42bcf2fe⋯.gif (83.25 KB, 130x150, 13:15, skelly.gif)

>>2862767

What the fuck is this channel?


 No.2863460

Whats that news site from the communist party? Or newspaper? I forgot the name, but didn't bookmark the site …


 No.2863494

>>2863447

After watching a few all I can say is that it feels like if David Dees tried making videos


 No.2863497

File: 254d123f80a7663⋯.png (99.13 KB, 300x256, 75:64, nickyoung.png)

>>2862767

is this a crptic teaser for some video game?


 No.2863505

File: 94de48dfebd0f52⋯.png (796.96 KB, 1352x812, 338:203, 349g259151543h.png)

>>2863497

Looking at the other things on that channel it seems like either an elaborate massive shitpost or the makings of someone who might be mentally ill


 No.2864457

File: cc0db0cffd83387⋯.png (92.12 KB, 400x387, 400:387, tumblr_po71rdi4s61wrglia_4….png)

>>2863505

So I took some time to look into his channel and it's a bunch of Boomer Qanon stuff interlaced with this website blaming doctors/the Canadian tax services of all things for some shit. I also ended up googling this strange ass videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfz3CaGLniY) location and I found that it looks like some schizo stole a dead boy's grave marker around the same time.

Food for thought


 No.2864481

File: 617e7671ab18c1b⋯.jpg (47.46 KB, 640x360, 16:9, china_0.jpg)


 No.2866798

So what happened with corporations in China giving out faulty vaccines exactly?


 No.2867611

>>2860295

For some reason that looks like a stegano image.


 No.2870278

File: 6c0028d2c11056d⋯.jpg (76.31 KB, 567x507, 189:169, elliot-dawson-response.jpg)


 No.2870285

schizos please fuck off


 No.2870608


 No.2870700

Why the fuck doesn't Xi just cut his losses and let Hong Kong secede? I get that there's potential for a recession and also for war but China is strong enough now it really could whether both things particularly if it had Russia and Indiacon it's side which it most certainly would

With the EU slowly going to shit the only traditional ally hong Kong woild have in a potential war is the USA and maybe Japan and I highly doubt either of those countries could handle a proxy war with China for very long and probably wouldn't want to even try. Hong Kong would fucking implode eventually from the eventual neoliberal hellscape it would become and with enough suffering might even want reunification after a few years


 No.2870721

>>2870608

Creating the perfect prole.


 No.2870774

>>2870700

Better yet, demographically replace HKers with peasants from Guang Dong, Heilongjiang or anywhere in China. It can be done in a generation or less, especially with their 1.2 tfr (which is likely even lower amongst your average neo-lib anglo-worshipper HKers) and age pyramid.


 No.2870818

Question to those believing PRC is socialist: how can China be socialist if it has a stock market and advertisements? I get that literally, by definition, a country can still be socialist yet have crappy labor laws, poor pensions, shoddy infrastructure, billionaires – but stock markets and advertisements are just about themselves, by definition, capitalist – no? Surplus value goes into the capitalist system in these ways – there seems to be no weaseling out of this in the way of "But they use the money for social means" or whatever.


 No.2870881

>>2870608

"My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?"


 No.2870914

>>2870818

It has a capitalist market economy controlled by an ideologically communist government controlled by the proletariat. They're developing the productive forces of society and plan to build a new socialist society by 2050.


 No.2870974

>>2870914

Can you develop on the "proletariat control" thing like >>2792758 said?


 No.2870998

>>2870700

What the fuck is your problem? Deng already wrestled HK from the West, why would they give it up again?


 No.2871065

>>2870914

Why do you think the PRC isn't merely opportunist like Mathieu Kérékou and Said Barre were, calling themselves "communist" just to pacify a real internal communist movement? Who's to say they aren't doing it to prevent another Tienanmen Square?


 No.2871088

>>2870998

Deng basically compromised on Hong Kong to keep the west out of the mainland for as long as possibke. Now it's causing major problems for them and if it refuses to be annexed for the cause of defeating America and building socialism should be crushed


 No.2871324

>>2871088

Is it really causing major problems though? Hong Cucks are just being uppity even though China is just continuing HK's integration with the rest of the mainland as planned.


 No.2871367

>>2871324

It isn't right at this moment but it's already being used by the west to stoke even more aggression against the mainland and if Hong Kong hardliners themselves form into a unified political mass it could really turn into a clusterfuck down the line. Xi can't just invade and forcefully annex them cuz it would be atrocious pr (see the Hungarian revolution or Putin's invasion of crimea) so his only real options are to encourage and allow them to secede or what >>2870774

You have to nip things like this in the bud and trying to let Hong Kong become a country now would be so chaotic it would negate itself as a potential threat. It's kind of the same thing as the consensus among leftists about Trump which is that it's better to go through this hard-right period with an pad like Trump at the helm because if he wasn't and Hillary gave us a 3rd Obama term an actual intelligent and cunning fascist would show up later


 No.2872276

File: 33c8facf98ad31f⋯.jpg (42.88 KB, 732x380, 183:95, amazon-China-732x380.jpg)

https://pandaily.com/amazon-quits-china-market-another-u-s-e-commerce-giant-failing-in-china/

Amazon will close its domestic e-commerce marketplace business in China, effective from July 18. The company will keep running other business sections in China, including Amazon Web Services, Kindle e-books, and cross-border operations.

The exit marked an end of the company’s 15 years of journey into the China market for their rigid localization in business strategy and management.

“We are notifying sellers we will no longer operate a marketplace on Amazon.cn (the Chinese-language site) and we will no longer be providing seller services on Amazon.cn effective July 18,” the company said in a statement as Financial Times reported.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/amazon-china-marketplace-closing-down-heres-why.html

Amazon has faced stiff competition from Chinese e-commerce giants Alibaba and JD.com. It’s also been less visible in terms of marketing, and its differentiating factors have diminished.


 No.2872306

>>2810545

>Huawei

Interesting thing is I read somewhere* that Huawei is to a large degree controlled by the people working there, with internal elections and stuff.

>>2872276

>Amazon Quits China Market

Scientific proof that Jeff Bezos has zero long-term thinking skills and is just a dipshit who got lucky.

*90 % sure it was either junge Welt online or Unsere Zeit, can't find such an article so maybe it was just a reader's comment


 No.2872942

File: ca35b634e51c39f⋯.jpg (65.13 KB, 542x260, 271:130, daddyxi.jpg)

Based Xi


 No.2872962

>>2871367

Lol retarded. China will import oil from Iran and stop exporting rare earth materials to the West. They don't need to give a shit about bad pr lmao.


 No.2872969

>>2872962

So why doesn't Xi just smash the,border and grab them already? Why all the back and forth?


 No.2873097

>>2872969

>why doesn't Xi just smash the, border and grab

"smash and grab" is imperialism, it doesn't work, we have millennia of evidence where great powers did that and then disappeared, and the reason is simple, a "smash and grab" is one time economic boost, while "back and forth" is continuous.


 No.2873116

>>2873097

>it's imperialism to take back a piece of your own country from the west with very little net economic damage to either region

Wut


 No.2873474

>>2873116

oh never mind then


 No.2873955

>>2872969

Because they don't wanna destroy their country and economy in a pointless war with Burgers over a fucking island.


 No.2875284

File: 822a928cab8d3fa⋯.png (2.53 MB, 1498x980, 107:70, Screen Shot 2019-04-25 at ….png)


 No.2875285

>>2872962

> China will import oil from Iran

us would shut down the straight of hormuz


 No.2875575

Killing the dollar softly: China lobbies ASEAN on yuan use to expand economic influence

https://www.rt.com/business/457608-china-asean-dollar-crackdown/


 No.2875578

File: 28069aafb2092d4⋯.png (51.88 KB, 515x302, 515:302, logistics.png)

>>2875285

so what?


 No.2875581

>>2875285

Drumpf lost Pakistan. China backed Pakistan during the recent conflict they had. Even if they shut down the straits with the US navy which wont happen Iran will pipeline through Pakistan into China which will happen regardless in the near future


 No.2875685

File: 97c6136441df92c⋯.jpg (179.93 KB, 940x823, 940:823, Iran's oilfields.jpg)

>>2875578

A lot of Iran's oilfields and infrastructure is on the Western side of the Strait of Hormuz, and the south-Eastern parts of Iran borders Pakistan's unstable tribal areas of Baluchistan (i.e., greater risk of attack by insurgents). Re-routing the oil-infrastructure east of the strait is of course possible, but it's very expensive and not done in an instant either.

Also it's not like the US navy can't sink or seize ships off the coasts of Oman or Pakistan and block the strait itself at the same time, lol.

The only way to secure Iranian oil supplies to China is through the land route planned in the Belt and Road Initiative, through Central Asia (or Pakistan, i forget) and into Xinjiang province, which is why China is so hyped about the project. The Belt and Road will massively undermine US leverage over China.


 No.2876530

File: e1c53ed9332427f⋯.jpg (69.85 KB, 1197x598, 1197:598, 1c53ed9332427f32cd327a50a3….jpg)

>>2790837

imagine unironically shilling the cultural revolution in AD 2019

all fun and games until you get beaten to death in the street because your classmate thinks you look like a counter-revolutionary nerd


 No.2876537

Serious question: I possess a Huawei, does this in any way make it harder for the American and European governments to spy on me than with a Samsung/Iphone/…? Even if the Chinese spy on me, I much prefer that to being watched by the CIA.

>>2872969

Regional safety and stable trade relations are China's foremost priorities right now, a large military confrontation is the last thing they want. Which is also why the US/Japan/Philippines screeching about "Chinese imperialism" and comparing the country to Nazi Germany is completely idiotic.


 No.2876541

If you want to understand Chinese regional politics and US/China relations, DEFINITELY read this book

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34434571-the-us-vs-china


 No.2877040

>>2826877

>Yes, China has been carrying out several liberalizations

No it hasn't. The expectation in the Hu-Wen era was that they'd de-gear the SOE sector, or even fully privatize some of them. They haven't. They've completely gone back on that.

God /leftypol/ are so fucking dumb about East Asian communist movements.


 No.2877057

>>2870774

>especially with their 1.2 tfr

Shenzhen's TFR is even lower m8. All of the Eastern seaboard cities have incredibly low fertility rates.


 No.2877226

>>2876541

Care to say some things about it? or know where to find a copy? can't find on libgen.


 No.2877229

>>2817494

>gorillion year old temple

>bourgeois culture

capitalism is only .001 gorillion years old


 No.2877763

>>2870914

So China is economically capitalist but has maintained communist ideology independent of the economic base for decades?


 No.2877779

>>2876537

First, Android is backdoored to hell and back, you need to get rid of that first.

Second, all phones probably get bugged in-house before being sold on the market or allowed through customs so you probably would need to personally smuggle one directly from the manufactur and prevent cust*ms from touching it to keep CIA niggers out of your phone.


 No.2877802

>>2817484

>The few people who actually know what social credit is often promote dystopian visions of it because they think all Chinese law is illegitimate, and hate the idea of the enforcement of law becoming more effective.

Social Credit is China’s version of the NSA. While not inherently evil their is no reason to support it as long as China remains a capitalist country.

>>2816180

>Guys, what is going on in Xinjiang and Urumqi?

A remnit of China’s socialist history.

>>2877229

Bourgieous ideology often uses symbolism and ascetics from pre-capitalist eras to legitimize it’s self.


 No.2878076

>>2877779

>First, Android is backdoored to hell and back, you need to get rid of that first.

I don't think my phone has Android. Or do all huawei phones? am tech illiterate

>Second, all phones probably get bugged in-house before being sold on the market or allowed through customs so you probably would need to personally smuggle one directly from the manufactur and prevent cust*ms from touching it to keep CIA niggers out of your phone.

I did buy it in South Africa though, no idea how bugged it's likely to be.

>>2877226

Basically it's a very well-researched book about the subject that tackles it from a left-wing perspective, clearly more sympathetic to China than to America but without losing objectivity. It discusses China's economic model and American attempts to restrain the economic/political expansion of China, debunking the whole narrative of China being some kind of imperialist power that wants to subvert the world. It then goes on to discuss the political position and recent history of many Asian countries (Japan, NK/SK, Philippines, Taiwan, India,..) in great detail - honestly might be a bit too much detail in some sections, but it's all very interesting and insightful nonetheless.

>or know where to find a copy? can't find on libgen.

Yeah sadly I think you may have to buy it or loan it from a library. I got it as a present myself; would consider scanning it but i have it in translation


 No.2878363

>>2816708

Polluted water, gutter oil, poisonous milk powder, poisonous running track, putian hospital, haze, children being stolen and robbed, society becoming indifferent and even values being distorted, all these make them feel uncomfortable, suffocated and afraid.

Many of them have good ideas, but they don't have much of a say in society.They are sober, cynical people, but most of the time their words are drowned out by official mainstream views and secular western fishing views.They watched the gourd-eating masses confused and misled by fake masters, pseudonyms and experts, who wanted to rebut were soon overwhelmed by the so-called fan economy.They look at the populist kidnapping and blind patriotism of the grassroots people, just want to stand up and complain twice, but immediately they are called grassroots people, and then have to worry about their Japanese cars and phones being smashed.They have become a "clean, pretentious" race, often mocked and used as well as ridiculed for corrupt officials and fifty points.Even the janitors of their villages or parking lots dare to provoke them. They are helpless, without any dignity or legal guarantee.In society, cheaters run wild, but they adhere to the moral bottom line and sense of justice;There is no place to protect our rights.We want the rule of law, dignity, security and voice, but we are always afraid of harmony and loud voices.


 No.2878373

File: 4af2c4dcca4da82⋯.jpg (115.22 KB, 1484x1113, 4:3, nsa_google.jpg)

>>2878076

>I don't think my phone has Android.

Unless you have an iphone, you have Android. It's an OS from Google like windows is from Microsoft. just think about it, a private, for-profit megacorporation that has monopolies, completely controls "your" device and knows 99% of people are tech illiterate. How do you think they will treat you?

https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.en.html


 No.2878399

>>2837271

Why do I get the feeling that it would look exactly like the light in the suitcase from Pulp Fiction?


 No.2878440

Why China is US’ number one adversary

[…] If you revisit Davidson’s choice of wording above, he referred to China as the “principal threat to US interests” which doesn’t necessarily correspond to an actual military threat. A threat to US “interests” almost always relates to an economic interest. The threat only becomes a military one when the US decides that it needs to counter said country with the US military, relying on brute strength only to deter nations from adopting stances which weaken its economy.

This week, representatives from 150 nations including global leaders of around 40 countries are gathering in Beijing for President Xi’s second Belt and Road forum, including all the leaders of the 10 countries that form ASEAN. To date, China has signed 173 cooperation documents on its Silk Road Project with a whopping 125 countries and 29 international organizations.

China has thus far invested over $90 billion in these countries between 2013 and 2018, with average annual growth currently sitting at 5.2 percent. Likewise, $40 billion was invested back into China from these Belt and Road nations, with total trade between the two components reaching as much as $6 trillion.

Last month, Italy became the first G7 country to sign up to the initiative, with other EU members indicating that they will follow suit. For example, Austria and Portugal are notable European nations set to take part in the upcoming forum. Britain, Switzerland, France, Spain, and Australia are also rumored to be intrigued enough to sign Belt and Road inspired agreements with China without formally endorsing the project.

When Beijing said every country is welcome to sign up, it means literally almost everyone. This has created a monumental headache not only for Washington, but the wider EU in general.

Just this week, Spain’s foreign minister and former president of the European Parliament Josep Borrell Fontelles said that China’s current trade and infrastructure proposals reflect a new state of being that China has become a world power.

“[The belt and road] is proof that China is no longer considering itself a net receiver and starts considering itself a contributor to the world, and this is something Spain welcomes,” Borrell told the South China Morning Post (SCMP).

[…] Reportedly, the joint statement is the next step toward the creation of an EU-China Comprehensive Investment Agreement by 2020 which is aimed at improving market access and eliminating practices that discriminate against foreign investors.

[…] Whether the US can realistically take China on militarily remains to be seen, but it certainly does seem that the “America first” doctrine of the Trump administration (if it is indeed putting “America first”) is leaving a global void which China is more than happily filling itself. And despite all criticism thrown at China for its practices, there does appear to be a vital difference in the way that China goes about filling the void left by the United States. Where the US relies on threats, blunt force, CIA-led coups and the like to achieve its aims, China thus far largely prefers a more diplomatic and cooperative approach based on business and trade.

In my estimation, the more the EU jumps on board with China’s initiative, the less influence will ultimately remain in Washington’s hands. In that instance, the US may resort to all-out war, and the preparations for this showdown are being carried out right before our eyes.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/457530-belt-road-threat-china-us/


 No.2878445

>>2878440

It keeps amazing me how RT tends to be so spot-on and genuinely leftist in their analysis


 No.2878446

>>2878445

They allow the real opposition to surface spearheaded by leftist journos when it comes to the West or geopolitics, but they severely limit the same when it comes Russia.


 No.2878554

>>2878445

RT's European line is anti-EU and pro nu-right movements. Their US line is more social democratic and anti-imperialist.


 No.2878584

>>2813856

Once I had a discussion with a comrade from my party and he made a pretty good point, how cultural revolution should be done right: Our city has a cathedral as landmark and he said, instead of destroying it, we should just turn it into a natatorium.


 No.2878589

The PRC is:

>Nationalist

>Technocratic

>Increasingly traditionalist

>Racially conscious

>Confucian

>>2870818

I'll field this. China's stock market isn't really a big source of capital formation. Most firms have a capital structure that leans heavily on debt from state owned banks.


 No.2878735

Can someone explain how the economic system of China works? How free is their market? What about the SEZs?

pls respond


 No.2878807

>>2878554

>nu-right

hurr.jpeg


 No.2879106

>>2879104

Did you just discover that pasta so you're spamming it everywhere?


 No.2879175

>>2878807

>nu-right

"populist" right is a term manufactured by bourgeois media to legitimize and enable the nu-right and acclimatize people to increasing reaction.


 No.2881072

>>2806738

Rcp is a cult


 No.2883557

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/30/huawei_enterprise_router_backdoor_is_telnet/

>A claimed deliberate spying "backdoor" in Huawei routers used in the core of Vodafone Italy's 3G network was, in fact, a Telnet-based remote debug interface.

>The Bloomberg financial newswire reported this morning that Vodafone had found "vulnerabilities going back years with equipment supplied by Shenzhen-based Huawei for the carrier’s Italian business".

>"Europe's biggest phone company identified hidden backdoors in the software that could have given Huawei unauthorized access to the carrier's fixed-line network in Italy," wailed the newswire.

>Unfortunately for Bloomberg, Vodafone had a far less alarming explanation for the deliberate secret "backdoor" – a run-of-the-mill LAN-facing diagnostic service, albeit a hardcoded undocumented one

>"The 'backdoor' that Bloomberg refers to is Telnet, which is a protocol that is commonly used by many vendors in the industry for performing diagnostic functions. It would not have been accessible from the internet," said the telco in a statement to The Register, adding: "Bloomberg is incorrect in saying that this 'could have given Huawei unauthorized access to the carrier's fixed-line network in Italy'.


 No.2883574

>>2883557

wow, totally didn't see that one coming


 No.2884787

hey, is there some non capitalist source on Tienanmen square ? Was it half as bad as it sounds or is ti usual insane propaganda ?


 No.2884863

>>2884787

>will someone please give me a source that I agree with saying a country with a red flag brutally stomping out a worker and student uprising is OK.

It doesn't exist, China eliminated it from history so they don't talk about it.


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 No.2885784

What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people's material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People's Republic was that we didn't pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Poverty is not socialism, still less communism.

— Deng Xiaoping, speech discussing Marxist theory at a Central Committee plenum, 30 June 1984


 No.2886432

File: f3f6c36a07bffa5⋯.jpg (40.55 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 196.jpg)


 No.2886459

>>2886432

>Shilling for Capitalism with a red painting

How about no?


 No.2886581

The Wandering Earth was pretty good. Hope Chinese cinema keeps stepping its game up cause I've had it with Hollywood trash.


 No.2886583

>>2886432

necessary reminder, China is fascist

>markets

>private property

>wage labor

>single party state

>authoritarian censorship policies

>no internet freedom


 No.2886599

File: 69940785fd915de⋯.png (15.13 KB, 130x176, 65:88, 1123919137_1548395596606_t….png)

Has anyone made a subscribtion of Qiushi? I've read some articles from the website and it seems pretty interesting.


 No.2886775

>>2886583

What the fuck! Yugo was facist too?


 No.2886787

File: 8953656fc09e86a⋯.jpg (7.77 KB, 225x225, 1:1, grinning Marx.jpg)

>>2886775

Sure as hell wasn't socialist what with all that production for exchange


 No.2886793

>>2885784

>socialist is the primary stage of communism

Socialism is roughly from each according to their ability, to each according to their work. Alternatively, we could say production for use-value instead of exchange, since Marx said the commodity (the contradiction between use value and exchange value materialized as an object) is the foundation of capitalist relations. Does this describe China in any way? Or is Deng just trying to construct a theoretical veneer to hide his counterrevolutionary tendency behind?

>Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces

<not class struggle

<thinking class struggle and developing the productive forces are somehow in contradiction


 No.2887317

Redpill me on the social credit system.


 No.2887323


 No.2887324

>>2887317

Exaggerated by western media. Here in Germany, our "social credit system" is called Schufa.


 No.2887346

>>2887324

And let me add to that that Schufa has zero transparency, charges people if they want to know their score, and is not controlled by any public institution.


 No.2890554


 No.2890556

File: ebc0dce474cc31a⋯.jpg (100.92 KB, 980x551, 980:551, 5cd9ac58fc7e938d4b8b466f.jpg)

China ‘has no interest’ in joining US-Russia nuclear deal – FM

https://www.rt.com/newsline/459244-china-us-russia-nuclear

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi has said his country isn’t interested in negotiating a nuclear arms control treaty with the US and Russia.

Wang was in Russia’s Sochi for talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Monday, a day before US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is set to do the same.

US President Donald Trump is withdrawing from a landmark nuclear treaty with Russia and has said he wants a new agreement that includes China as well.

Wang told reporters that China “has no interest” in being part of such a treaty, AP reported. He added that China keeps its arsenal of nuclear weapons at “the minimal level to ensure the defense policies.”


 No.2890559

File: b28a0780479d3ce⋯.jpg (245.68 KB, 900x675, 4:3, timg.jpg)

What if the third world war is between a socialist US and whatever China becomes?


 No.2890580

File: f515c8158b4b119⋯.png (115.41 KB, 1254x558, 209:93, cover.png)

does anybody still have that gif of anime deng xiaoping


 No.2890604

Does anybody have an ebook of One China Many Paths?


 No.2890615

>>2890559

>U.S.S.A. vs. Chinese Characteristics

That is so spectacularly ironic that I have no doubt that it will happen.


 No.2890807

>>2890559

You mean the US implements some mild social democracy and all chauvinist leftoids will say it's socialism and support a war against China.


 No.2890826

>>2890807

Now this is something that might happen actually.


 No.2890829

>>2890826

>>2890807

it's second international opportunism all over again


 No.2890834

File: c808061374d52f6⋯.jpg (35.66 KB, 600x519, 200:173, bernie2020.jpg)


 No.2890835

>>2890829

>>2890826

I am not kidding by the way - wealth disparity usually decreases during wartime cause keeping it at the same level would literally starve a large part of the population. Socdems are easily bribed and would probably support the war effort because of this.


 No.2891108

File: 7f945396c704702⋯.jpg (46.2 KB, 350x486, 175:243, upload.jpg)

>China is a socialist country, and a developing country as well. China belongs to the Third World. Consistently following Chairman Mao’s teachings, the Chinese Government and people firmly support all oppressed peoples and oppressed nations in their struggle to win or defend national independence, develop the national economy and oppose colonialism, imperialism and hegemonism. This is our bounden internationalist duty. China is not a superpower, nor will she ever seek to be one. What is a superpower? A superpower is an imperialist country which everywhere subjects other countries to its aggression, interference, control, subversion or plunder and strives for world hegemony. If capitalism is restored in a big socialist country, it will inevitably become a superpower. The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, which has been carried out in China in recent years, and the campaign of criticizing Lin Piao and Confucius now under way throughout China, are both aimed at preventing capitalist restoration and ensuring that socialist China will never change her colour and will always stand by the oppressed peoples and oppressed nations. If one day China should change her colour and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it.


 No.2891181

File: 36e245b776f931c⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 97.83 KB, 453x543, 151:181, 36e245b776f931ccbfdc8dd022….jpg)

>>2855817

Once China has constructed a Dyson sphere, it'll be ready to move to the next stage of socialism


 No.2891360

File: ac977746fcca1ad⋯.jpg (36.55 KB, 585x396, 65:44, ac977746fcca1ad9928a9a3e79….jpg)

>>2891108

>China belongs to the Third World

No they don’t


 No.2891369

Ok nbew to /prc/ can I get a quick run down

Is this just about modern day china or maoism too?


 No.2891386


 No.2891472

File: 3424ae3b0f82d7e⋯.jpg (46.84 KB, 478x479, 478:479, b1dd248a9c76079b644ab0ba69….jpg)

There should be more Mao discussion this thread


 No.2891672

>>2890559

>war between US and China

How? Their is a huge fucking ocean between they two countries.


 No.2891678

>>2891672

Missiles, planes, ships. The US also has a bunch of military bases in its colonies around China.


 No.2891716

>>2792759

>but bureaucrats really do share a different relation to the MoP than workers/farmers, even if they're vital to the operation of the state.

if the bureaucrats in china really did want to rule as a ruling class, there is nothing stopping them from dissolving the socialist system like the bureaucrats in the ussr did. the fact that china survived the 90s and is still going strong proves that if nothing else, the party's goal remains building socialism


 No.2891724

>>2891716

The burocrats privitized half of the economy, and privatization grows every years. Calling yourself “socialist” doesn’t make you socialist.


 No.2891727

>>2891678

Guam and Wake Island are still pretty far from China. The only way the US goes to war with China is if the China is at war with Taiwan or India and the US joins the anti-China side.


 No.2891839

File: c3bd7c2908f3d42⋯.jpg (99.48 KB, 900x560, 45:28, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

No, the UN did not report China has 'massive internment camps' for Uighur muslims

Media outlets from Reuters to The Intercept falsely claimed the UN had condemned China for holding a million Uighurs in camps. The claim is based on unsourced allegations by two independent commission members, US-funded outfits and a shadowy opposition group.

https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/


 No.2891853

They’re fascists.


 No.2891854

File: cf97612b17e02ba⋯.png (93.04 KB, 645x729, 215:243, (you).png)


 No.2891900

File: 2aed39ab5cb8fc6⋯.jpg (337.97 KB, 1024x672, 32:21, ClintEastwood.jpg)

>>2891727

And the U.S. is just as likely to side against India in support of Pakistan. The U.S. is playing The Man With No Name in the India-Pakistan rivalry.


 No.2892100

File: 48c267ef3ecc21b⋯.jpg (65.86 KB, 700x417, 700:417, stalin.jpg)


 No.2892142

>>2891900

Maybe twenty years ago, but not today. Now that China is a major threat to US interests stoping China is the major goal of US foreign policy, just like stoping Germany was the major goal of British foreign policy in the early 1900s. India hates China, therefore America loves India.


 No.2892145

>r/MMA

>Sage Northcutt: I think ONE Championship is amazing and everyone is amazing in Asia

<i'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that everything is not at all amazing in asia. china is executing people over their religion, selling the organs of these people they execute, censor the internet, have implemented a "social score" for citizens which encourages you to stay in line and not fight against this incredibly totalitarian regime, since people with low scores might not get jobs, mortgages or ability to buy plane tickets, and the president recently removed the limit on his term, meaning he can rule forever. It's already VERY BAD in China, and the way it is set up, will only get worse for the hundreds of millions of poor people who literally have no way out. Sorry to "debbie down" good ol clean Sage's comments, but what's happening in China sounds like it should be out of the 1950's but its 2019 and no one's doing anything about it.

Can't even avoid this shit when I just wanna turn off my brain and read some MMA discussion.

inb4 that what you get for going on reddit and yes i agree


 No.2892157

>>2892100

>To be precise, Ma said: “To be able to work 996 is huge bliss.”


 No.2892370

http://m.en.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20190430-shen-yun-culture-or-cult-tb-published-may-13-2019

Article on Falung Gong, their multi-million dollars Shen Yun spectacle, their many names lobby groups, and the Mecca/Saint Peter they are building in Deerpark.

On a side note, does organ harvesting really happen, and is it a good thing?


 No.2892376

>>2892100

Jack Ma needs to be worked literally to death


 No.2892386

>>2892370

>On a side note, does organ harvesting really happen, and is it a good thing?

It does happen, but it's fairly rare compared to other black market trades since most lumpenbourgs aren't willing to deal with the extreme risk involved. Though if any country were to ever have a real life Max Payne 3 plot it'd def be China.


 No.2892418

>>2892386

I was thinking more specifically about Falung Gong practitioners being kidnap by the municipal polices, because of their renown good health due yo their Falung Dafa lifestyle.


 No.2892461

File: 637c1a8f959cb08⋯.jpg (309.97 KB, 1111x597, 1111:597, red face.jpg)

>>2892418

>we're being persecuted because of our good health

Imagine actually believing this. Part of the reason Falun Gong is supressed is because they don't go the doctor and don't vaccinate. They're the Chinese equivalent of anti-vaxxers and are rightly supressed for being a threat to public health.


 No.2892643

>>2892370

>On a side note, does organ harvesting really happen

yes, but not much more than other countries. Every country minus maybe Iceland has some organ harvesting to some extent.

>>2892370

>and is it a good thing?

Obviously not

>>2892461

>Part of the reason Falun Gong is supressed is because they don't go the doctor and don't vaccinate.

Oh god, their the Chinese version of Jahova Witness.


 No.2894668

This article has useful facts about China's system:

The “Surprise” of Authoritarian Resilience in China

http://archive.is/JxeiZ

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authoritarian-resilience-china/


 No.2895773

File: 77285562b955895⋯.jpg (9.58 KB, 340x227, 340:227, 10588780-3x2-340x227.jpg)

Future Huawei phones will be free from Google-Bloatware! Another reason to buy Huawei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iveUtWZ4lkk


 No.2896685

File: 0609f9bca821a16⋯.gif (528.47 KB, 480x270, 16:9, giphy.gif)

Can any of you Dengoids tell me how the healthcare reform is going? Will there be free healthcare by 2020?


 No.2897460

File: 04422e929634d76⋯.jpg (131.55 KB, 1476x960, 123:80, rare-earths.jpg)

China's other nuclear option in trade war with US – Rare earth materials

https://www.rt.com/business/459994-china-rare-earth-metals-ban/

Beijing has yet another economic weapon to use against Washington in the escalating trade row – a possible embargo on vital rare earth metals needed to make everything from high-tech devices to fighter jets.

A routine visit by President Xi Jinping to a Chinese rare earths facility earlier this week came amid rising tensions between the two countries and shortly after the US turned up the heat on Chinese tech giant Huawei. Despite the lack of any official announcement from Beijing, the visit has triggered fears that China is ready to use the materials, specifically a ban on their export, as an advantage against the US.

Rare earth materials are indeed one more way China can retaliate, independent political analyst, Alessandro Bruno, told RT.

“It could put heavy restrictions on the rare earth metals that are necessary to make all kinds of electronic equipment, especially phones. This is a significant threat because the West does not have its own supply,” he explained.

The minerals are unsurprisingly not included on the US list of $200 billion worth of Chinese goods facing higher import tariffs. Shortly after Chinese and other media reported that Beijing is considering an embargo, shares of rare earth miners skyrocketed.

On Tuesday, the rare-earth sector jumped by 8.5 percent, according to Global Times. China Rare Earth Holdings Ltd enjoyed the biggest gains in the industry as its shares soared 108 percent.




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