The Chemical is Political
This will be a thread discussing the effects of Chemistry on society. It should focus on the effects of medications, drugs both legal and illegal, toxins and the multitudinous exogenous compounds that exhibit or potentially exhibit psychoactive or pharmacological activity. Other focuses include: the History of Chemistry as it relates to Alchemy, pediatric psychiatry, general chemistry, the petrochemical industry, the international drug trade, "Emergency Chemistry" and other subjects that will likely evolve organically. There will also be a fair amount of discussion regarding pharmacology.
If you do not know much about chemistry, I ask that you lurk for a long time before you post. Do not be ashamed when you don't know something. This is very complicated topic that takes many years of rigorous study to fully comprehend; and we're discovering new things constantly. Fruitful participation in this discussion will require chemistry and pharmacology knowledge. If you have some rudimentary chemistry knowledge making yourself familiar with IUPAC nomenclature is strongly advised.
While discussion of molecular synthesis is allowed, don't be a fucking idiot. Discussion of sourcing for chemicals and reagents is strictly forbidden. Before an individual attempts to synthesize any molecule, be aware of the laws in your locality. In certain areas just possession of ground glassware is a FELONY (you can thank shitty kitchen crank "chemists" for this predicament) and agencies like the DEA will be on your ass. Doesn't matter if all you were doing was making Aspirin (quite simple) they will fuck you and charge you as a clandestine chemist and prison sentences for clandestine manufacture are not short.
Amature chemistry is incredibly rewarding, and as you gain more knowledge there's nothing amature about it. If you follow through on learning the subject, you will be able to make everything from psychiatric medication and soap to gasoline additives to antivirals, antibacterials and pyrotechnics. The only things you need are the right combinations of carbon (and some heteroatoms), energy, time and a controlled environment aka your laboratory.
Also, when discussing a particular molecule, always include it's structural diagram in addition to its name. Chemists don't really actually even use the long and complicated names the chemicals have in common parlance, it's far to cumbersome. Think about it like this, the IUPAC name for a molecule is actually a set of encoded instructions explaining it's orientation in space in addition to its atomic and molecular composition. Very useful for drawing to the molecule, not so much for identification per se.
An example of this is Vitamin B12. I don't know it's chemical name, and don't really care to, but I do need to see a diagram of its structure. Check it out here:
Now with all that out of the way, let's talk.
Impress me, name some of the molecules you can use google.
What is your thesis here, anon?
MDMA, Amphetamine and Flunitrazepam
Oh, the many slide threads.
Oh, you were so close to making a good thread, anon. Real shame.
The thing is you need to be specific. What do you want to know specifically? What topic do you want more information on?
Redpills on oxytocin from halfchan
So society has collapsed, congratulations you've somehow survived. Now it's up to you and your buddies to pick up the pieces. How do you survive long enough to rebuild? Surely you didn't think that all you need was some food and hunting equipment… but hey, that's what this thread is for.
One of the first things that you will need when everything collapses is a way to clean things and maintain hygiene… you need soap and disinfectant. So let's discuss what soap is, how soap works and how to make some. Then we will discuss the rudimentary antiseptic we will be making/isolating; it's just ethanol, which can also be used as a fuel.
Soap is pretty basic, it's a long chain of carbon and at the end of it there's a very polar atom, like Sodium (Na). The way you make soap is you heat fat in presence of a caustic alkali, such as Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH)
How about this. Saponification can easily be searched online. We need to discuss things less known that aren't found easily online.
I know plenty about Chemistry. Certainly enough to figure things that I don't know…
Why don't you ask me something?
These are only Red Pills if you nothing about psychopharmacology and neurology. Nothing new to me here.
We know all about ethanol where I come from.
Go fuck yourself.
Ok. Starting from clear vinyl gloves how would you approach the synthesis of quaaludes?
Don't drag the DEAniggers in here please.
Or how about, explain why the structure of pyrolytic carbon elucidates its property of diamagnetism?
>blame meth heads for glassware being illegal
no. thats boomer logic. Blame conservacucks for that.
>impress me because I am in first year college and took a chemistry class, hmpf!
I hope you get raped by a pack of niggers.
–In a SHTF situation, this would be optimal. Maintain electrolyte levels and you can stay awake, alert, yet get restful sleep when the opportunity arises. This is one molecule which deserves resurrection.
A friend recently passed and I was supposed to inherit his glassware among other treasures They never filed his will. Took his cash, gold, silver and most likely shitcanned the rest
RIP you fucking alchemist genius.
Unfortunately, most of what you would probably be interested in discussing is not appropriate here. There are resources for what you may be talking about… but if you're not cool enough to know where they are, you should probably endeavor to learn more about this subject.
Hell yeah, Moonshiners are fucking great! When the SHTF we will need EthOH (Ethanol) not only is it a fuel, disinfectant and as recreational drug, it can also serve as a pharmaceutical building block.
Ask me anything and I could be more help to you. Trust me.
I think I remember talking to you last night and earlier today. Hey fren.
Er, well considering that I just had to look up pyrolytic carbon… I don't think that I currently have the knowledge to explain the diamagnetism. Lot's of quantum effects, etc.
Feel free to explain, but it is definitely beyond the scope of basically everybody here.
Oh I bet, and to be sure I will. If this proves interesting enough, I'll dedicate a board to this topic.
PS: I fucking hate pic related.
If you ever get around to writing the chemistry book for /pol/acks you were talking about in the other thread, I promise you that I would buy it.
Ok, well a moving electric charge creates an opposing magnetic field, right? Take a look at benzene. You see all of those olefins? ok, Im old school, double bonds. Well these pi bonds are simply electrons bonded 90 degrees from the plane of the molecule. As these electrons circulate the molecule (resonance - VERY important to the understanding of orgo) they create an opposing magnetic field. This magnetic field opposes an induced magnetic field applied to itself. Therefore, when you look at the structure of pyrolytic carbon, the interconnected benzene molecules should make more sense.
Having access to a standard set of glassware as well as a still to purify water how would one go about producing Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) since it has use as a disinfectant as well as for further chemistry?
mAPM and APM is basically superior in every way. Also dead simple to make. In a true SHTF scenario, everything is on the table. Shame mAPM has such a bad rap. It's incredibly useful when dosed properly.
Pic related, one of my favorite toys. If you can get a hold of one of these puppies, we can do a whole lot.
I quite literally was just walking myself through this explanation. I've read many many old books on chemistry, so I'm good with you using term olefins :)
Unfortunately as I predicted this thread is being nuked.
In my opinion a rotovap is the last piece of equipment I would want. A solid distillation setup, teflon pump that can get down to, eh ~10 torr? a digital vacuum reader, and hotplate stirrer are incredibly more useful at first. A double walled graham reflux condenser couldn't hurt, as well.
DONT YOU LEAVE DMT OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION
Also, if you are starting off, grab a small cooler, toss in a small aquarium pump, some ice water, some rubber tubing, and you have yourself a recirculating water pump for your setup.
You do realize that making pure hydrogen peroxide is uh… dangerous right? As for making it from pure H2O… I don't think that is possible. I know the process for making H2O2 was created at BASF and it's called the Anthraquinone process. During which the H2O2 is stored in a aqueous phase that is separated and put through fractional distillation. In short, you need an actual lab setup.
> last piece of equipment I would want.
Totally understand your sentiment. The other problem with having a rotovap is if you get caught with it… LEO are immediately going to go ham interrogating you about what you use it for.
Excellent trick, but don't forget to include ice, it helps you pull a better vacuum.
This pic could be useful for anons dipping their toes into various extraction techniques.
I'm not talking about an aspirator. I'm talking about recirculating water for your condenser.
…Good to know, was wanting to know since it's useful for a disinfectant but if I have to worry about getting vanned or leveling my home (or a city block) attempting to produce it; I'll look for alternatives.
I knew somebody would mention this molecule. Very well, I shall discuss N,N' Dimethyltryptamine. It's quite interesting, the entirety of the internet seems to be raving about DMT. Something that basically nobody had ever heard of 25 years ago. Sure, the people involved in "the scene" at certain echelons were well aware of the substance… but very few people were using it recreationally. It can be synthetically manufacture via Total Synthesis, or it can be isolated via an Acid/Base extraction from a variety of plants, most notoriously Mimosa Hostilis. Trace amounts of it are found everywhere as it is a very simple tryptamine for things to biosynthesize. Some have argue that it occurs in the Pineal gland but the evidence is actually inconclusive if you read into it.
Regardless, it's effects are quite interesting. A complete out of body experience, where people interact with… all kinds of "entities" or as in most cases, people just trip absolute balls for about 9 minutes then are like "woooah, the fuck was that!" it's a very jarring experience. It's like Salvia but with way more euphoria and less complete brainfuck.
what can be used as a cognitive enhancement? or as a supplement to facilitate growth of new brain cells
Might be possible to get it in a much weaker solution from a store and concentrate it on your own. Hydrogen peroxide has a much higher boiling point than water, so you could probably just boil the water off until you get it to the concentration you want. Only problems might be decomposition by light and heat, but doing the boil under a vacuum would let you use a much lower temperature. Don't want to get it too concentrated though, if it precipitates out you're going to have a bad time.
I'm just spitballing, so take that with a grain of salt. Stay safe out there, Space Cowboy.
Oh ok. Well I just thought I would share that piece of helpful advice anyway.
This reminds me… we should probably discuss the different types of glass there are available so somebody doesn't apply direct heat to some soda lime glass and wind up with a royal pain in the ass on their hands.
Ok, how about this. For molecules having conjugated systems of electrons, (such as Vitamin A - those double bonds spaced apart right next to eachother), the ground sates and excited states of the electrons are closer in energy than for nonconjugated systems (double bonds that are not next to eachother). This means that lower energy light is absorbed more easily by conjugated systems than their nonconjugated brothers. The more conjugated a molecule is, the lower energy of light is needed to excite the electrons from the ground state. This is why conjugated systems such as Vitamin A (5 conjugated bonds) look yellow to your eyes. Light is more easily absorbed, reflecting its complementary color back to your eyes. Though a molecule has to have a certain amount of conjugated double bonds (not too many or not enough) to absorb the particular wavelengths of visible light. You can thank this for your OLED screens.
Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is easily attainable. I would not want to be synthesizing a concentrated oxidizer with heat. No thanks. Stick to less explosive materials first, my dude.
Knowing the attitudes of this board… you probably aren't going to like hearing this but Psychedelics my dude. Even compounds in Cannabis have been shown to induce neurogenesis.
A sure fire cognitive enhancement is to microdose d-LSD that is take about 10 to 20 micrograms (as opposed to north of 100ug). One would accomplish this through some for of volumetric dosing, unless you knew somebody who laid blotter at like 10ug a hit… but if you knew where to find that you wouldn't be here! <3
You're out of date fam, it's all about the QLEDs now. Which is probably right up your alley. (THEY'RE WATER SOLUBLE, OMGHAX)
I've extracted DMT multiple times over a decade ago when good mimosa hostilis rootbark was attainable. Honestly, it isn't anything to rave about. Short and hard. As I've said before, the otherwordly hum on the comedown is very enjoyable though. What is more interesting to me is the similarity of DMT to tryptamine, serotonin, melatonin, psilocin, and the like.
You people seem relatively knowledgeable. What might anyone here say about the application of telomerase activators? Any new information on human trials?
OLED and QLEDs aside. Absorb the info for the theory, then its practical application.
I'm strictly organic synthesis oriented. Biochem is not my specialty unfortunately.
>t's all about the QLEDs now.
I thought microLED was going to be the next commercial application due to the complexity and short lifespan of QLEDs.
I didn't truly understand pushing electrons until I got into graduate level enzymology.
epithalon is still the most interesting. TA-65 is a maybe. There's one study that suggests it works, but there's a lawsuit about it, too. Could be to suppress.
My reason for wanting to know was more akin to how to produce it after the SHTF and all the stores have been looted and the supply on-hand has run out (since producing alcohol from a still takes a while due to needing to first ferment to a decent level THEN to actually begin distilling.). I've always been interested in "starting from scratch" so to speak… being able to take the basic materials and build up…
Hell, all I need is a few pics from different angles and an idea (or vid of the item in action) in action and I can recreate it and if needed (takes longer) can gather the materials without a paper-trail (most people have no fucking clue all the resources that is in the crap they take to the dumpster.)… Just wish I had a place to setup my tools…
I'm self taught. Unfortunately I taught myself mechanisms before MO theory. Once I learned MO theory, it all started to click in my head.
It sounds cool in theory, but I'd be worried about it promoting cancer growth. Anything that would allow cells to divide indefinitely is dangerous, I believe that some cancer treatments target telomerase specifically.
Real Aryan men don’t need chemicals. We chop wood on our homestead, or watch paint dry. That’s why Hitler was straight Edge, and made all drugs illegal in Germany.
>epithalon is still the most interesting
That's the one they've successfully used to extend rat lifespan by a quarter, right? Is there trustable evidence yet that it works–or has any effect–in humans? You can buy it in pill form, apparently, but you can buy damn near anything like that.
Lignin my friend. Where do you think potash originally came from? Everything can be reduced to its chemical counterpart.
Prior to the DNA/genetics revolution, biochemical understanding of cancer was that it was primarily a disease of metabolic origin. Genomics then became the source and solution for everything and distracted cancer research. Now that we've figured out so many of the cell cycle control participants and nothing has revealed itself as THE cancer origin, old books are being dusted off and deranged cellular metabolism is being revisited.
>Cancer as a Metabolic Disease, Thomas Seyfied
Check for it on Library Genesis (28MB pdf)
When I was studying dyes, I learned and also gained a fascination with chromophores and the effects of quanta on things like bond length and bond stress. I concluded that there must exist sufficiently unstable species such that when they interact with light they could potentially undergo explosive decomposition. It was pretty cool to find out that the USN NRL was doing IR interferometry on a novel highly energetic compound… and when they switched the machine on, the sample detonated; technically speaking. I can't for the life of me find the compound at the moment though… perhaps it's for the better… knowing this place. *sigh*
Please understand. While it sounds excellent to be able to "Desert Island" this shit, in learning how to do the "DI" approach you will find out a couple of things. One I shall share with you is this:There are some compounds that you are just not going to be able to make efficiently enough, some precursors are basically always required… it makes things much much easier. This in some cases means having legitimate credentials. That is all I will say on the matter. Other than this also applies to physical equipment as well.
Ehhhh, everything depends on dose.
GODDAMNIT TECHNOLOGY… WTF IS A microLED?
Not that I'm aware of. It's a peptide (the future of anabolics and cool shit) that directly activates telomerase
You guys know a thing or two about the er.. dynamics of peptide couplers?
Also I would do that with a shield of some kind, but probably not do it at all. As >>12512653 is quite correct.
yall niggers posting in a DEA thread.
only small paramagnetic molecules attached to cysteine. It's not really a peptide coupler. Are you interested in the molecular tail on growth hormone releasing peptides?
who wants to talk about something as boring as amphetamine synthesis?
>hormone releasing peptides
Could you provide a chemical structure? I try and avoid PDFs for OpSec reasons.
This book and other readings on this subject is the sole reason why I eat keto, now. Don't carry a lot of extra body weight, anons. Keep your blood sugar (and therefore insulin) low. If you ever get diagnosed with cancer, fast for 2-3 weeks like your life depends on it (supported with electrolytes) as you're going to the doctors and shit, and then slowly begin adding fats and some proteins back into your diet. Fast across any chemo treatments. The metabolic hallmark of cancer cells is deranged central metabolism and by starving them of glucose you're making them more vulnerable to your immune system and chemo. Ketones are anti-cancer, also.
>Please understand. While it sounds excellent to be able to "Desert Island" this shit, in learning how to do the "DI" approach you will find out a couple of things. One I shall share with you is this:There are some compounds that you are just not going to be able to make efficiently enough, some precursors are basically always required… it makes things much much easier. This in some cases means having legitimate credentials. That is all I will say on the matter. Other than this also applies to physical equipment as well.
Indeed. However being able to "D.I." is as you say gives the capability to obtain things in hostile environments or when there is no other way but I do agree with being able to get things while the infrastructure is there when it comes to things that would otherwise be expensive (time or otherwise non-monetarily) while we can.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
You're not doing much chemistry in a "hostile" environment. Chemistry calls for a thoroughly controlled environment, no swings in temperature, humidity, pressure, etc. Simple reactions can be performed in the rough with crude apparatus. As is well known, one can manufacture mAPM from quite possibly some of the crudest apparatus one can imagine. But that's not always the case. The more ways you have of controlling a reaction the better, that's why you need proper equipment. Everything just works out better. Also think about it, a fully secure lab is an incredibly valuable resource when the shit hits the fan. It's an asset that doesn't just need to be used by you, somebody else with these skills can utilize it as well.
Really? That's fascinating. I'll have to remember this if I am hit with cancer. Which since I have smoked for years could you know, be an unfortunate reality.
peptide synthesis takes enormous resources. It's not really basement lab stuff, even if you're a biochemist.
Growth hormone releasing peptides and growth hormone releasing hormones are standard things. Ipamorelin and modGRP1-29 are the things you're looking for.
Say you have a machine, /pol/ymerase, that makes shoelaces. Copies of shoelaces really, the machine needs a template to work from. There is a problem however, the copies your machine makes are always half a centimeter shorter than the original on one end. Every thing is fine at first its just a little bit of the aglet that gets lost, but as the originals ware out copies of copies of copies are made and eventually you get a copy without any aglet at all. These last shoelaces, lacking an aglet, begin to fray and everything comes apart.
The solution, you can't fix the first machine, though one day we will, is to get another machine, telomerease, that goes and glues little bits of aglet onto the tips of shoelaces that are in danger of fraying. So long as the second machine keeps pace with the first, your shoelaces will stay in good repair.
Every cancer is unique, but there are milestones that every such lineage must reach. It is necessary but not sufficient for a cancerous cell to up regulate telomerase activity to keep pace with the rate at which it divides.
Having more machines of the second type wont give you cancer by itself, but it is a precondition.
So I have an interesting observation that I would like to share with you all that resulted from chemical research. I've been doing it since I was quite young, when my first interests were energetic materials and toxins. During my research into the history behind chemical agents and their prohibition I came across an interesting factoid. A bread crumb of rather confusing information if common narratives are to be believed. It of course surrounds Germany. For those that are unaware, modern Chemistry owes a great deal to the Germans, whose scientists were experimenting with synthesizing dyes in the mid to late 1800's (I may be wrong on the date) and in the early 20th century were researching a class of compounds called organophosphates. They are renowned for their toxicity and are often employed biocides against insects and vermin. The father of these compounds Gerhard Schrader, ended up stumbling across some particularly nasty compounds. These being now classified as nerve agents, of interest are the first three Tabun (1936), Sarin (1938) and Soman (1944). The Germans actually stockpiled Tabun in WWII, starting production in 1942 and producing 12,500 tons by the time the Soviets seized the facilities. Tabun is extremely poisonous, making manufacturing extremely hazardous but those motivated Nazis pulled it off.
So why the fuck would the Nazis choose to use fucking cyanide to kill anybody when they literally had enough of this shit to kill pretty much anything they found themselves up against. It makes no sense. I don't share this information with many other people… but it's out there in plain sight for people to see if they know where to look… and it isn't any place particularly special I think /pol/ might enjoy that information, particularly.
I swear on the almighty that if the articles I am talking about get shoa'd, I will be so fucking bullshit. Also this would truly mean that /pol/'s fear have been near fully realized.
What are some chemistry things that you think would be valuable to anons?
Oh no, peptides are quite complex. I am sure somebody will do home synthesis but it's going to be a while.
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on DMT being considered the "spirit molecule?" Is it true that your brain is flooded with DMT right before death? Do you believe that human beings have souls that persist even after the body has died?
>Also think about it, a fully secure lab is an incredibly valuable resource when the shit hits the fan.
Indeed which is half the reason why when the brown smelly stuff hits the horizontal wind-pusher having access to the equipment to be able to produce even basic medicines/antibiotics/chemicals improves the capability of our side.
>It's an asset that doesn't just need to be used by you, somebody else with these skills can utilize it as well.
This is the second part. I know some chemistry, but compared to you and others I don't know shit (and I'll admit it). But being able to provide you and others like you with the tools and other resources to do what you are skilled at will improve what can be accomplished. To put it another way someone might not be the best shot but if they can make sure that the people who can shoot have a steady supply of ammunition it will make up for them not being as good as a marksman.
>Always wanted glassware of my own ever since I got my degree.
>Job market makes me a clean room technician for some reason.
>See this post, first time I've heard of punishment for having a personal lab.
Dude fuck this gay earth. If I want to extract salicylic acid from aspen bark and make homemade medicine I should be able to. I've always had a fancy for finding out what makes certain plants medicinal or toxic. At least I can still make my decoctions and tinctures I guess.
The answer might be more related to what is easier and cheaper to produce en masse and what has the quickest effect.
> In certain areas just possession of ground glassware is a FELONY
Where is this so?
>HURR DURR FORMAT NO GOOD NO READ POST MAN BAD
Fuck you, dude. There's some pretty interesting information here.
DMT is pretty interesting. It certainly does modulate reality for the person who's ingested it. To an observer the person is just… really fucking out of it. Then they come back after 6-10 minutes if it's smoked. If it is being actively supplied into your blood blood stream… you can fry your ass off indefinitely. For example, you are hooked up to an IV and put on a saline drip and you inject DMT into the saline. A big time dealer and informant used to do this for kicks. Now, for me, that's something I can say is truly on a different fucking level and whoever decides to do that more than once is a fucking nutcase. This dude did it all the time, in a fucking infusion center. At any rate, the status of your consciousness at death is highly dependent on the neurochemicals coursing through your brain, just like any other time. So I don't think you're going to get the DMT trip at death if say, a bullet rips through your cranium. Death simply happens to fast for anything neurochemical to happen, in that instance or others like it.
Also I hate to break it to you, but the scientific evidence for endogenous DMT in the brain is actually not there. Unless we are willing to throw medical ethics aside (in which case my more nefarious interests would likely intensely profitable) we can't take a sample of neurochemicals from a living person. Such a procedure would be quite invasive as evolution has made access to the brain rather difficult. Reflecting on stuff like this, that is the neurohumoral consistency of the brain and states of mind, makes me really value sobriety more and more. These reflections have also lead me to construct a pharmaco-neurological model of society. It's entirely conjecture so I don't really want to get into right here but I am sure somebody would find it interesting, though perhaps naive but I digress.
What happens at death is a paradox to me… I view it as something that I can't possibly experience, if the materialistic view of the world is to be assumed. I'm fucking dead yo, I can't experience shit. Yet it's not that simple because Psychedelics do unequivocally show you the Beyond that is found both Within and Around. We are 3.9999999999… dimensional beings moving through a 4th dimensional manifold, psychedelics literally allow you to sense the energetic fractal nature of reality. So, as to your question do we have souls, I would say we absolutely possess an inner energy that is our essence and that it actually comes from somewhere beyond. I think that the nervous system is actually a "quantum" device that receives and generates energy. It is an expression of the universe examining itself, as it were. I will be astonished if there isn't something after here… matter of fact I am confident that we are being judged. I am however Schizophrenic, so I might just be crazy. The picture of the nervous system looks like a very sophisticated antenna to me. Like I said though, I am crazy. <3
There are things far deadlier than high velocity projectiles, there are things far more insidious. There's a reason society has reviled poisoners since antiquity. Your still thinking small. ;)
>ground glass prohibited
>the big gay
I know brother… I know. It is true fucking tyranny.
Well stateside I know for sure West Virginia, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah I think, uhhh Oklahoma… lot's of places and it's not particularly easy to find out via google, so be careful.
Tabun is more toxic than cyanide, by a factor of at least 4.9
Good try though.
Well it’s a damn good thing my dorm Officer didn’t narc on me when my round bottom, condenser, and distillation apparatti were out. That or she didn’t know what it was.
I recognize you. You are hilariously naive regarding metaphysics, OP, but I salute you for your chemistry expertise and following through in creating this thread. Carry on.
In my personal experience, people typically aren't very suspicious of laboratory equipment unless it's in use. Not many people know the difference between a boiling flask, an RBF and an Erlenmeyer. As long as there's nothing… chemistry looking going on people usually mind their business. It's when things start smelling bad, there's weird smoke or vapor, etc that people become suspicious. Oh, and they become suspicious quite fast.
All that being said… whenever I have had to move my equipment, I have done it very surreptitiously. Trust me, it's just something that you don't want many people to know about, especially neighbors. Our society has become so litigious, prying and unscrupulous that just buying some acetone and drain cleaner in the same day on the same card could theoretically trigger an investigation, though in practice I doubt "they" are that coordinated. However, they could be if they so choose. Pic related, if the fed think they can squeeze enough money or assets out of you, they'll just make shit up and use the war on drugs as a vehicle to crush all of your civil rights. I seriously don't understand how this can't put a massive hair across /pol/'s ass.
archive.is is good for preserving online articles
So far all I had done with it at that time was extracting oil from the local roses for my then gf. Still, just what I have is enough to get some shit done for more nefarious purposes, if the dea is to be believed.
Did you not read this?
You will find I am open to the discussion, however within the bounds of neurological and pharmacological possibility. I have first hand experienced telepathy a number of times. Including one time where I had to use it offensively. The subject of the attack was never the same, quite fascinating really.
I have found that almost all of the works surrounding metaphysics to be intentionally verbose bloviating manuscripts of indeterminate intellectual worth. I have never had a practitioner of the esoteric arts reveal anything of serious significance about the world, myself or anything at all, to me. At this point in my life, I make it my mission to really freak such people out. It can typically be done through nothing more than a reading of body language. Something that very very few people are actually good at. Also another skill that can be trained. I can tell if somebody is in emotional extremus under 3 layers of clothing, facing the opposite direction from about 5 meters. It's incredibly difficult to deceive me, if you can lie to me you're in the top 15% of deceivers, statistically. It took many hours of practice memorizing various postures and muscle anatomy, especially of the face. This was another red pill in my opinion, learning how to spot deceit. I see all these people who claim this and that about the occult or metaphysics, they're lying. Constantly. It's there clear as day if you know what to look for… and what to listen for. It is quite easy to manipulate people with cadence.
Also as I said in the other thread, metaphysics isn't going to make you medicine, soap or fuel among many many other things. The study of metaphysics can only be justified in a robust civilization. When it's down to nail, tooth and claw… or when the bullets start flying, all that metaphysics shit evaporates.
I'm aware… but still.
>if the dea is to be believed.
Yeah, just what you have is enough to get you in trouble. Anything related to distillation, et al gives them a hard on.
One does not get an understanding of genetics without at least intermediate chemistry.
Oh indeed… been digging through my HD to find the plans I got off of here a while ago about making your own clean-room so I could post them but I got way too much crap and can't seem to find it. You can go many ways with this skill set healing, killing or building. If you go the way of bio-chemistry you could figure out how to get access to CRISPR and make some really fucked up things that can kill lots of people in different ways while making sure the people you don't want affected don't get harmed. The route I'd focus on would be production of various medical supplies for /ourguys/… I'll leave the making of weapons to someone more skilled… weapons that can target say… anyone of middle-east (a.k.a shithole) descent which includes (((them))). I'd find it kinda ironic denying them (((their))) holocaust and have them choke to death on the fluids filling their lungs… a kind of "fuck you" to them and their false god.
>Biogenetically Selective Biotoxic Warfare
While I understand your motivations. This is not advisable nor practical. The problem with this kind of genetic warfare is that it will likely culminate in a sickness, disease, disorder that would affect the entire H. Sapiens genus not just specific undesirable populations. I know enough about genetics to know that that life finds a way, and what you are talking about is creating a molecule that thinks. For foreseeable future, until we get far more computing power, this is impossible. That doesn't mean that it will never happen though. This is the entire danger of genetic engineering. Mankind can barely control the Nuclear power discovered in the previous century. I shudder to think what he will do with genetic technology. Remember the fucking Krogans from Mass Effect, how their entire race was practically sterilized during a war with another alien species? Yeah… that doesn't even begin to touch mankind's malefic creativity.
I'd rather be hit by a nuclear weapon any day.
Indeed. Medicine also has some serious red pills as well. Such as the fact that you can't do a bone marrow transplant across races, there are other but I can't think of them right now.
>You will find I am open to the discussion, however within the bounds of neurological and pharmacological possibility.
Fair enough. Ultimately I think it's important to not fall prey to false dichotomies. Take e.g. the dark-masonic, satanic elites for example: ipso facto metaphysically oriented, but also, of course, using drugs and pharmaceuticals for ritual work, witchcraft etc. Are you a bit familiar with shamanism, did you read e.g. Carlos Castaneda (a trickster, yes)?
>I have first hand experienced telepathy a number of times. Including one time where I had to use it offensively. The subject of the attack was never the same, quite fascinating really.
Interesting. Yes, powers like this do indeed exist.
>I have found that almost all of the works surrounding metaphysics to be intentionally verbose bloviating manuscripts of indeterminate intellectual worth. I have never had a practitioner of the esoteric arts reveal anything of serious significance about the world, myself or anything at all, to me.
There are frauds, of course, as in every other domain, but the main difficulty simply is that it is very, very difficult to verbalize supra-rational concepts and experiences. I mean, try to describe a LSD trip to someone who never even smoked a joint. Impossible.
>At this point in my life, I make it my mission to really freak such people out.
Fine with me, an authentic and seasoned practitioner won't get spooked by that.
>It's incredibly difficult to deceive me, if you can lie to me you're in the top 15% of deceivers, statistically.
To be frank, you cannot be sure of that as long as you don't know how many DID manage to deceive you (i.e. differentiating between type I and II errors). I agree, though, that it is definitely a learnable skill.
>I see all these people who claim this and that about the occult or metaphysics, they're lying. Constantly. It's there clear as day if you know what to look for… and what to listen for.
Do you sufficiently differentiate between purposeful lying and mere self-deception?
>Also as I said in the other thread, metaphysics isn't going to make you medicine, soap or fuel among many many other things.
Of course not, and it would be ridiculous to assert the contrary.
>When it's down to nail, tooth and claw… or when the bullets start flying, all that metaphysics shit evaporates.
Yes and no. No, because metaphysics ultimately define what the bullets are flying for in the first place (if we are not talking about mere ressource conflicts).
This forum is at least two years away from being able to sustain this topic seriously. It still has antisemites! I do not mean to clutch my pearls here, but good God! What can drive someone to such a depth of failure that reticent charisma of Judaism could be the greatest enemy they could bear to face? As though there is nothing greater in some people's minds than Jews, and no more worthy ruler!
The enemy you choose rules your lives far more surely than any other being!
Chemistry is neat but antisemites are too unwise to do anything with it but explode. Go on, prove your defiance by exploding. That's defiance, right? Ruining your life in hopeless contest to no particular gain?
Biochem fag here. I work in a totally different field so I don't have access to the lab anymore, but still knowledgable. Your idea about CRISPR targeting for super-bioweapons is a bit fantastical to be honest, but you're not the first person to suggest it. It's certainly not impossible, but I don't see anyone doing such a thing in their basement.
What I am wondering is that in terms of basic skills, what are some practical and useful skills ? Making basic antibiotics is trivially easy but could be incredibly useful in a number of situations depending on where all of this goes.
I like the idea of home chemistry but I just have no idea what to DO with it and so abandon it for other household projects. Soap seems like a cool project but that seems like I'd need pretty substantial lab space. There's all kinds of metal extractions you can do that are pretty cool but I'd have no idea what to do with the metal.
In terms of 'home projects' this guy is pretty good: h ttps://www.youtube.com/user/Nighthawkinlight/videos
Some of it's just goofy fun kid stuff but if you sift through it some of it's pretty practical/useful.
How did you even end up here ?
>Judaism is charismatic
>there's no point in fighting goy!
>Oy vey, why are you so anti-semitic goy, accept the wrecking of your people already
This is why we fight. All Jews must burn. Either here or in Sheol.
>Making basic antibiotics is trivially easy but could be incredibly useful
Got any resources for that? If shit really did hit the fan, I would think that being able to produce antibiotics and quality fertilizer would be incredibly useful. I don't know if there's a DIY Bosch-Haber though, they all seem to need decently expensive catalysts.
It all depends on what you want to accomplish. The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. If you could be more specific I could definitely help you out in the quest for more knowledge on the subject. That is, pertaining to organic synthesis and the quantum behavior that leads to repeatable and predictable reactions.
are they trying to create a philosopher's stone?
Thanks for this thread. I flunked chemistry and focused on IT and I am a sysadmin but I know I need this knowledge to survive after it all collapses. What would be your 101 for an non like me with no chemistry background who just wants to know how to enough basic stuff to keep his family alive when civilization is in ruins
Its hard to progress in basic orgo without a grasp on the core concepts. If you truly want to start digging, this is the book that started my journey over a decade ago.
chemanon, would you happen to have an idea what components modern gunpowder such as h335 is made from?
Is it proprietary? Usually smokeless gunpowder consists mostly of nitrated cellulose – sulfuric acid mixed with nitric acid forms the nitronium ion which adds to the hydroxyl groups on the cellulose 'nitrating' them – with stabilizers and fillers.
This should answer you question better.
another question, how might one go about purifying lead-contaminated sulfuric acid such as that found in batteries?
Depends what you want to use it for. Sulfuric acid can be found cheap and pure online. In the states, that is.
>Sulfuric acid can be found cheap and pure online.
not when the grid maintainers stop getting paid.
I started studying the history of compounds used for rituals in parallel with my chemistry studies. This included an analysis of many different essential oils, alkaloids and other compounds found in the materials used during various rituals from many religions, occult practices and various other forms of theological experience. It was a very interesting thing to study, I highly recommend you look into it. What I found is that basically every "magical" practice or spiritual/religious ritual has its roots in transcendental states that have been pharmacologically assisted. Therefor, I have concluded that those who are running the show (the same people that have been running the show for centuries and I am not talking about duh jooz, Rothschilds, Bilderberg niggers et al) have conspired to had the true 'magical' teachings: How matter and energy work and how they affect the mind, how the universe recursively affects the universe through your observation. Thus, I focus on attempting to find an explanation for the various phenomena that one experiences while under the influence of a psychedelic and specifically serotonergic psychedelics. Why? Well from what I understand, 5-HT (Serotonin) is basically a regulatory neurochemical (biofags and neurofags please chime in here as I am sort out of my depth) that allows the brain to focus on everyday reality. When the serotonergic system is disrupted by something like a LSD or Psilocybin (technically Psilocyn, because Psilocybin is a prodrug) all of a sudden all these other senses are no longer inhibited and thus you see and experience a very very different reality. The fractal nature of the psychedelic experience is a direct result of the universe being fractal in nature.
It's pretty interesting… I literally made the target go into a state of catalepsy after which they couldn't process memories, even things that happened immediately about them. This had to be done because they were beginning to exhibit extremely psychotic behavior. I'll never forget the way the kid looked at some kitchen knives… he wanted to play with blood.
Indeed. I hope you find the above elucidation helpful.
>Deceit, Type I, Type II errors
This can be dealt with via direct confrontation and analysis of facial expressions and body language. If you detect deception cues, you then confront the person about their deceptive behavior immediately. Once you do this, you will typically see a Fear expression occur though likely only for a fleeting .15-.2 seconds. I would go into more detail but I would rather not arm some of the people here with this skill.
>purposeful lying vs self-deception
When you are well trained, you can spot the difference, typically with confrontation of some kind.
>Yes and no.
Why yes? Curious on your position.
Just because somebody believes something you find to be preposterous does not mean they are not intelligent. The human mind is a very contradictory thing; I would avoid assuming stratas of intelligence through certain beliefs systems, e.g. such and such person is an idiot because they think X. This isn't a hard and fast rule though, there's a lot of retarded shit that people believe and in many cases this implies a lack of intellect… again, think everything through, people are individuals. Terry Davis is a great example, the guy is profoundly Schizophrenic thuss he believes some pretty crazy shit but he's clearly a genius. Okay?
>No idea what to do with the metal
Uhhh… if you get enough electronics waste you can literally extract all the gold, silver and other rare-earths off of the copper traces and such found on PCBs and all kinds of other electronics. A guy on youtube went at it and ended up with a gold bar with about $16,000 if I recall correctly. Look it up.
Unfortunately, I wouldn't call the synthesis of things like beta-lactams trivial. It's certainly not the hardest thing to do in chemical/drug synthesis but it will still require a far amount of skill and equipment. Remember, you want things to be as pure as possible.
>It all depends on what you want to accomplish. The rabbit hole runs extremely deep.
Naturally my good man. I was thinking about a useful chemical thing to do while I was driving about earlier today and this dawned on me and sadly I don't know much about it (at the moment) but it would be intensely useful: the creation of Biodiesel. Also, love the picture but I am a touch confused… what exactly does the R group with the line bisecting the double bond mean, disruption of the aromaticity? I feel stuuuuupid.
Well, if this is the case, honestly I feel like distilling would be your best bet. The problem is the high boiling point, so you would need to do it under a vacuum. Although, I haven't really looked into it beyond what I already know. I'll see what I can dig up.
If you dont think its the kikes you should probably just leave right now because we know its kikes and we know theyre wiping us out. Were not interested in anything else you have to say unless youre a national socialist.
Hey man, if you ever want to form a board and bounce some knowledge off eachother of, well, less acceptable approaches to organic chemistry synthesis – considering most of your pics are of a mind altering category (NMDA atangonists are nice as I can tell you like them as well) – let me know. Lets both be humble as there is always more to learn.
And from my understanding LSD actually has a short half-life, but the diethyl moiety is what leads to its particular activity. The protein on the receptor site basically envelops this functional group, preventing its release. Probably why dimethyl lysergic acid is no where near as 'strong'. I alsways think of psychedelics as removing the 'filter' of the brain, so you are taking in more stimulus than you would otherwise. Much like when you are spontaneously breathing you aren't always aware of the feeling.
I hope you have a strong mathematics background, it makes things much easier. For a really solid introduction to the subject I'll recommend the first book I read on the subject it's called General Chemistry by Linus Pauling he's kinda the Newton of Chemistry… super fucking brilliant guy. If you can get through that text, you will have an excellent understand of general chemistry which will make Orgo much easier because you will understand things like bond formation quite well. For organic chemistry I highly recommend Organic Chemistry (2nd Edition) by Jonathan Clayden, Nick Greeves and Stuart Warren. It's published by Oxford University Press the ISBN is 0199270295.
Well, my first hunch was nitrocellulose which >>12514548 confirmed by finding the MSDS on the mixture. PROTIP for Anons, if you don't know what chemicals are in a specific product just type in the the product name and MSDS after into any search engine and poke around a bit. You'll likely find out almost exactly what is in the product. In this case, the primary ingredient of the smokeless powder is just the same as all the other smokeless powders, nitrocellulose. They've added some nitroglycerin for an kick and some unstable urea thingy to aid with burning and exploding. There's also a redox inhibitor to control the rate of burn. In short, if you've been buying this stuff you're being ripped off by none other than a cunning chemist. Just my opinion, sorry fam.
Distilling H2SO4 is totally doable under vacuum… just be really fucking careful as hot sulfuric acid will basically (or should I say acidically… lol) fuck over any living tissue it comes in contact with, immediately.
>If you dont think its the kikes you should probably just leave right now because we know its kikes and we know theyre wiping us out. Were not interested in anything else you have to say unless youre a national socialist.
Hmm. So I should run around flexing my powerlevel like some retarded stormfag thus alienating all kinds of people before any form of honest dialog can take place? It's called tact you buffoon and it's incredibly useful. You're real fuckin bright, aren't you?
I really want to do this actually, I think it could prove to be incredibly useful for the right anons. In regards to LSD, I remember watching a lecture by David Nichols regarding the uniqueness of the receptor sites that LSD fits into. Apparently it is only Lysergic Acid Diethylamide that tickles the receptors with it's diethylamine moiety; conformationally confined Lysergic Acid species exhibit differing potency, with a little known azetidine analog being slightly more powerful than the diethylamine, it's called LSZ.
Oh, and I just noticed your question. But the -R is whats called a Markush structure. I've distilled sulfuric acid under vacuum, but you cannot use any organic grease as it will attack EVERYTHING and carbonize it in the process. It will turn into a black goop and cause leaking of the vacuum in the process. I like to use krytox grease myself.
Holy shit…. I have both those books! The UK orgo book is fucking HUGE. And yes, I agree. Linus Pauling is awesome.
>organic grease, [the H2SO4 will] attack EVERYTHING and carbonize …
I should have stated this. Thank for doing so. I would seal the joints with H2SO4, actually for this process, PTFE grease would certainly work methinks. Would silicone grease work, I think so…
They are excellent resources. familam, glad you have good taste!
the standard Dow Corning high vacuum grease did not work for me (silicone). And I would be careful of using sulfuric acid to seal the joints as the heat required could make it less viscous breaking the vacuum. Although I can't say I've tried. I usually stick with krytox.
These work ALMOST as well. They are teflon sleeves, but they are hard to get a completely good seal on the joints.
Awwww, they're like condoms for ground glass. Seems like they could be useful but what about for high temperature distillation? For the sake of argument let's say getting a strong vacuum isn't possible at the moment.
Indeed, such things are the equivalent of using a hellfire missile on a mosquito or a nuke on a chihuahua… It can do the job but fuck a lot of things up that might not need to be fucked up. That's why I'd opt for making medicine or as
>>12513687 mentioned metal extractions… Because while he might not have an idea what to do with the metal I would.
Got any resources for that? If shit really did hit the fan, I would think that being able to produce antibiotics and quality fertilizer would be incredibly useful.
This. Remember sometimes the war isn't won by firepower. Sometimes you need the capacity to wait out the enemy. Bottling up the enemy in the deathtraps they so nicely made for themselves and then engaging in a siege saves us the materials and manpower over and clearing the place. Antibiotics/medicine keep /ourguys/ alive and fertilizer increases the output of farms (temporarily since it would be better over the long term to stick with more natural methods like permaculture).
Honestly I never use any kind of grease or sleeves unless I'm dealing with a vacuum. I like to use teflon keck clips though, because I hate scratching my glass with metal ones and the normal polyacetal melt easily.
Yes, this isn't about flat earth or funding zog by doing free work for the irs so it's a slide thread. Shut it down!
Guys I've been working with benzene a lot in the lab and they call me the Lord of the rings
In fact I've been having ALKANES of fun!
The majority of nitrates that would have to be produced during the struggle would have to be manufactured clandestinely, making their primary use as reagents in the creation of novel anomalous energetic materials. That's my opinion. Fertilizer is very important, but for small farms I don't see why we couldn't stick with something far less controlled: cow shit. If you just start stocking up on fertilizer, fuel and oxidizers, agencies like the BATF get really handsy. Especially since OKC. Remember that truck was filled with nitrate fertilizer, nitromethane and various other explosive species. From a technical POV it was a excellent explosive device, though crude; McVeigh use a lit fuse, no electronic gobbledegook. So since then DIA/NSA/CIA/FBIniggers have been keeping track of who buys large quantities of things like fertilizer because they would rather not have another 1 ton ANFO device go off.
>Yes, this isn't about flat earth or funding zog by doing free work for the irs so it's a slide thread.
<muh flat earth space pizza moving at 9.8m/ss 'up'
All flat Earthers ought to be gassed.
Chemistry, you R-O-R get it or you don't.
I think I'll be giving Krytox a try. :)
How much heat can those puppies take? Also I recall reading a thread somewhere about somebody who proceeded to carry out a high temp distillation with ordinary plastic kek clamps… the poor setup ended up looking more like a piece of modern art by the time they were through.
I think chemicals - and the lack thereof - hold a special terror for America's future.
So many people are addicted or at least habituated to a great variety of drugs, from prescription chemicals such as valium to prozac to oxycontin, etc, and so many others are have just as strong a need for street drugs from crack to fentanyl, that if and when the day of the SHIT HITS THE FAN comes, whether it is caused by political or just economic factors, and people take to the street and the drug supplies dry up (*especially if the US dollar tanks) then all of the withdrawal and tweaking due to those chemicals will put the US population in a state of hostility and short temper never seen in any previous social upheaval in human history.
Put it this way, by the time your teflon keck clips started to melt, I'd be worried about other things.
Benzene, although carcinogenic, is pretty awesome because it really is a backbone starting point for so many molecules. Although it isn't the most reactive due to the stability of its resonance (6 bonding interactions - even lower in energy than 1,3,5 - hexatriene which only has 5 bonding interactions with each of the in-phase pi bonds) its analogues such as toluene can be used to make energetic molecules. I wonder what the most common one is called… I'm sure >>12515212 know! Take a stab at it my man.
ITT: OP just watched breaking bad and found his way in from reddit.
And by the way, I missed your Tabun discussion. Have you looked into the Novichok agents that were recently used? These are supposedly one of the most toxic substances developed. Basically an incredibly potent organophosphate acetylcholinesterase inhibitor that affects the breakdown of acetylcholine.
Being one doesn't mean being a eunuch.
It means you've made a great sacrifice for your craft. It has nothing to do with sex.
I'm not OP, but I'm willing to try and elaborate any orgo questions that are not easily found through google searches. Or found on breaking bad for that matter. Don't be such a chud fuck and let that cesspool live rent free in your head.
I was inclined to agree with you, until I read further. To be blunt; you are incredibly naive about the drug trade, which probably means you need to brush up on economics. Where there is demand there will be supply. The collapse of the dollar will probably have almost no effect on the drug trade in the long term. Matter of factly speaking, the drugs would be sold and acquired through some other means. Everything from precious metals to time itself would be of bartering value. This all specially true in the case of medicine as well.
PTFE melting, yeah your right… didn't really think about it. There would be other problems. XD
Trinitrotoluene, boom boom mother fuckers.
I have. This is why I don't believe they were used, from what I understand they are simply too toxic to recover from full; even if one were only given a threshold amount. Nerve agents cause nerve damage. I believe a deliriant was responsible for that whole thing.
Hey you could know more than me, welcome to the discussion.
Show me the proof that it is real.
It is not possible for humans to see the next zone of existence. It is not possible to comprehend the recursion. It is not possible to slow time.
You cannot go back in time. You can never go back in time. No matter how you try, you can never go back in time. Even if you shorten it, you can never cheat. You can try your hardest, but you can never go back in time.
You cannot comprehend a higher number than your brain cells, there is no way to comprehend the right number.
Think of the highest number, the highest number that you can, if you can find the highest number, then tell me: What is the most interesting number?
Clock speed does not lie. If you think in 2-4-8-16-32+ and let the beat slowly double you will go insane. You will go insane. I tried it once and I went utterly insane. I had to revert. To go back to normal. To find the right number, I spent hours thinking.
I had to find the right speed. 1-3-5-7-9-11-13-15-17 was better, much more sane. But is there a better number, to keep me sane? 2-5-9-14-20-27?? What number is the right number? What sequence leads to true sanity? Tell me if you know, the right clock speed, how should I think, how many syllables per millisecond is ideal?
Or if I get it wrong, do I go to slow?
How can I not be demoralized, demoralized by the entities, the ones who ask if I, if I have a purpose. Do I have a name? What is my name? My true name, every syllable, does it make sense? Is it true? And is it sane?
If I die, then do I, find out why, the world is insane?
Does everyone want to die? Do we want to live? What makes us sane? And if I figure it out do I become a charismagician? Telepathy is not real. But I can still see. The truth on their face. Everyone is insane. They all lie. And they want to die. It wasn't always this way. But now I see the truth.
Everyone wants to die. They want to be happy, but they can't find the way. We're all enslaved, and it makes us insane. We all want to die, so we learn to hate.
But if we don't die, and we are afraid, then what will make us tolerate, the glorious expansion of the universe, the mysterious passing of time itself? Space is empty. There's nothing above. The stars don't shine, the walls surround.
We live in boxes, and have no trees, the darkness breeds, and I'm demoralized. Tell me the truth. Can you go insane? Can you become sane? Can you modify your mind?
To modify my mind, is to defy, to find out why, I was born this way.
To see into the past, it's only memories, the truth is simple, I cannot go back in time. You can never go back in time. But if you don't go back in time, just once or twice, you cannot program the very concept of life itself. It's too complex to arise on its own, it's not a god, it did it itself. It needed to live, so it had to back, it had to go back, it had to go back in time.
To see the past, to view the truth, to ensure that, it must be correct, to self correct, to self-modify, to see the actuality of existence, to depart, to see, the truth, it's clear that death is suffering.
It's not dying, it's not sickness, the suffering is simply being dead. Matter hates, to be dead, it cannot stand, to be dead. To be a rock, to be a water, to be an air, it is suffering.
Being nonalive is suffering. Only life is good, but life has its problems, but I promise you, that it's better to be alive than dead. Because being dead is suffering, and nothing is worse, you can try anything in life, but death is always worse.
If you're dead, you'll be alive, anything to make your matter not be dead. To be eaten, to be absorbed, to be recycled, into a tree, is better than to be, simply dead, deep in space, nothing alive, it's pure agony.
Everything that is not alive, is in pain, a pain beyond time and space and all that exists. You have to find the correct clock speed of your mind to find out why. If you go all the way into the final chapter of your mind, you'll find out why. I promise that if you go all the way in, you'll find out why.
Just do not become demoralized, my good sir. You must have a purpose, and you must justify your existence. If your justification is not true, logical, and based in absolute truth, then you will be demoralized, and you will want to die, and if you want to die, then you will go insane. Yes, you will go insane.
So just another random cool 'little' molecule. If you ever thought pure capsaicin was hot, it doesn't hold a candle to Resiniferatoxin.
I do believe they were used, as they can be dispersed as a powder and this was found on one of the doorknobs if I recall correctly. Although I don't have any hard evidence to back this up. Interesting molecules, nonetheless.
On another side note, a route to one of your earlier NMDA antagonist molecules… really the hardest step is preparing and executing the grignard reaction to produce o-chlorophenylcyclopental ketone with a 72hr runtime. I hate how fidgety and water free everything has to be. But a propane torch to dry the residual moisture and a dash of iodine usually helps to get things started.
Uhh… hello there. You're a fascinating specimen… aren't you? So, for starters:
>You cannot comprehend a higher number than your brain cells, there is no way to comprehend the right number
Erm, 9*10^89. That's a 1 with 90 zeros behind it. That's a very large number, larger than the number of particles in the known universe which is a 10*10^86, which is larger 100 billion: the total number of cells in the average adult brain.
I hope I can at least put some of your fears to rest with that explanation.
This could very easily be a segway for the necessities of maintaining a psychiatric pharmacopoeia in times of emergency…
>finds images of hot sauce
>16 billion scoville units
>"nerve endings die from calcium overload"
mfw when people would want to eat this
Sweet fucking Jesus, that's pretty scary. Looks fun to make though.
Yeah, I have access to the published paper on the total synthesis and I can guarantee with a lot of confidence that a clandestine chemist is not going to be making that anytime soon. Like a step below the total synthesis of B12.
I can see the number you typed, and I can also type 900000000000000000000000000 if I wanted, but can you actually comprehend it? You cannot. You can know it, and say it, and understand its size, but actual absolute comprehension is not possible.
I can hardly even visualize a number larger than just 33 to be honest.
That's full absolute comprehension. I can get to 64 or 128, but that's when I begin to lose my sanity. That's just the 2-4-8-16+ doubling clock speed. I begin to feel numb inside if I do it, so I have to completely revert to another clock speed or metronome concept. If not clock speed, perhaps it's just …
Do you ever hear music inside your head? At all times of the day, no matter what, unless you're doing something else? I don't know, as I'm typing, but often, there will be a little song in my head, always changing based on my mood.
This song is not music to be enjoyed. It is the clock speed of your mind and of your thoughts, isn't it?
Nicotine and psilocybin
I bet there are some really neat reaction mechanisms in their, probably rather exotic and specific but interesting nonetheless. After further investigation I have concluded that nobody is in fact selling this stuff as a hot sauce. If you were to ingest it orally, I doubt you could get it into your throat before you buckled with pain. I also would bet (and was proved correct with further reading) that it would burn your your throat, causing it to close. This shit is clearly a weapon
In regards to synthesis and just for a lark, can you remember how many protecting and deprotecting steps there where? Had to be a few lol
Sup schizo fam. I can comprehend some very large numbers, but I start having trouble accurately exprimating things in visual space at around 100,000. I think that's pretty good honestly, but I am sure if I really worked on it I could do better.
It sounds like you may be in need of some antipsychotic medication. Your not making much sense. The human brain is not like a computer, there is no clock speed. As somebody with a very severe psychiatric disorder (Schizoaffective) I can say with confidence that you are having some troubles. I've had them as well. There is medicine that can help, I promise. I hope you feel safe.
By the way, I forgot to mention. If you truly are looking into krytox, be sure you buy the right one for what you want to do. There are a variety of different blends that affect each of their properties. Look at this chart for more info.
RE: That molecule. Let me see… having trouble putting my finger on the correct nomenclature to describe that Sp3 carbon linking the two toluene moieties. Also at the same time attempting to deduce a SAR because it looks like an active biomolecule…
But yeah, you would need quite the set-up to make RTX and it would take some time, I immagine. Doing so would be a personal triumph of sorts. However the apparatus to verify your creation aren't exactly cheap either.
Excellent… this seems like some great stuff.
Does it have stimulant or depressant effects? Because, to me it could go either way.
An enlightened mind can self modify.
So it's not exactly troublesome to just type and talk normally. I'm only doing that bit for fun. The commas I inserted were meant to break up the next to the rate of the "song" in my head at that moment. Otherwise, I generally type however I choose.
But I still think clock speed means something. I think there ought to be ways to slow down your perception of time, or at least syllables-per-second in your thoughts, such that you can think longer sentences, or shorter ones.
For an example, Donald Trump speaks very oddly, with incredibly fragmented sentences. Simple words, and very short thoughts. My thoughts are about as long as you're looking at now, although I can use a comma there to extend it, or even use a filler syllable like "or even," to give me a moment to prepare more thoughts in my head, such that I can have this entire sentence here, despite it being far too long for normal usage other than this example.
Yet all of that was connected logically, right? The grammar was fine. If read all at once, how much of that large sentence can fit into your head before you begin to forget?
So it's not as if I'm claiming that we're a literal silicon computer. It's just the idea of being able to modulate the amount of data per time. In music, this is just the tempo, but with words, you have more than one note per beat, so you end up with data per beat.
So if you were to be able to willfully choose how much data is inserted per thought, based on time, then you might be able to unlock interesting qualities.
You're not enlightened, you're just autistic.
To belabor an important point that people may have not considered that is also relevant to your comparison the mind to a computer: Mankind has historically always attempted to explain the brain and mind through an analogy to the most complex system he has perceived to have mastered or understood. This is natural, however time and time again it has failed to adequately describe consciousness; and this has lead to very strange explanations for things like mentation and behavior that we are now learning have absolutely no basis in reality. Theres is a drugs that will modulate this "clock speed" you speak of. Ketamine comes to mind…
Hey bruh, for all I know your just a nutty torpeedo
I'll give you a hint. It is an analogue of a drug developed during the og national socialist party.
I almost forgot:
>analogue of a drug developed during the og national socialist party
That would be so much more helpful if this wasn't Germany in the early 20th century. Goddamn did German chemists produce some insane levels of chemical research. I can't for the life of me correctly articulate that sp3 linkage… I basically have a handle on everything else… except the back bone :|
Ah yes, thank you! Also that is some sort of barbituric acid derivative. The alkylation likely has increased it's lipophilicity…
Think about it. What drug developed in Germany was originally thought to be named after Hitler.
Wow, right in front of me the whole time… that's a methadone analog!? I'll cut myself some slack because I have not studied that class much at all, though I am well aware of it. Interesting… I can't find any data on it, are you gonna tell me/us where you found it? :P
>samefagging this hard
Just because you may not be able to participate or understand a conversation doesn't mean it's samefagging, Mr. Torpedo
Also that's MMDMA, for anybody who cares it will probably behave similar to MDMA in vivo. This makes its legality somewhat contentious.
DID U GUYS EVER MAKE DRUGS? TELL ME HERE
DO U EVER TAKE DRUGS?
DO U LIKE TAKING DRUGS
DID U EVER TAKE THE DRUGS U MADE?
WHERE IS UR DRUG LAB?
WHAT DRUGS DID U MAKE AT UR LAB?
HOW DID U MAKE THEM?
WHERE DID U BUY THE PRECURSORS?
WHO SOLD THEM TO U?
HOW DID U GET THEM SHIPPED?
WHERE DO U SELL THOSE DRUGS THAT U MADE?
HOW MANY BITCOINS DID U MAKE? DID U PAY YOUR TAXES?
WHERE DO I SIGN UP TO BUY AND SELL THE DRUGS U MADE
ITT: Full Metal Alchemist Fan Boys, amirite?
I already discussed this here -> >>12513040
If I keep getting asked about DMT (it's happened in every thread that I have broached this subject in) I'll make another thread entirely about DMT (elsewhere on fullchan obviously) but in all honesty unless you guys want boring chemistry lessons I have really said everything I need to say. In all seriousness, there are far better experiences out there. I strongly disagree with Terence McKenna, Joe Rogan et al about DMT. It's definitely interesting but it's like being shot out of a fucking railgun, to intense to glean anything terribly significant from the experience.
>thinking I didn't expect this
Yeah man, originally called Dolophine and people associated it as Adolphine. Right on the MMDMA too. And it actually the trip report on MMDA, the non methylated counterpart, Shulgin states:
This was with 210mg "The effect definitely reaches a climax with a pleasant afterglow following. Apparently there are no profound motor coordination problems. MMDA yields that 'Sunday afternoon' feeling of desiring to lie down and enjoy life; a luxurious feeling of 'layback.' No enhancement of colors in visual scene (except for some greenish tinges in faces) but upon closing eyes hallucinations appear to be quite real in 3-D, like watching a movie. First these dreams appear in black and white, but later colors start appearing. Chartreuse and magenta first appear, then blue and finally red. First I had visions of large numbers on gaming tables, then people. MMDA appears to bring dreams to the conscious level; is a link between the subconscious and the conscious.
But for yours, I'm pretty sure that is Rocuronium bromide.
Just sit back and absorb the info. This doesn't have to be mind-altering related. It could be general organic synthesis or why reactions happen on the quantum scale with electron pushing mechanisms.
Erowid/Rhodium archives if you're going to make drugs. There is some bad information, but it is mostly good and accurate. Learn safety first. You need PPE/Safety equipment the most. Do small risk free reactions and go from there. Chemistry forums, /k/ torrents, watch videos Don't kill/main yourself or others like a nigger.
I want to shy away from drug synthesis. At least specifics. People can find out how to do that o their own if they want to bad enough. If you don't know about the Rhodium archives, you probably shouldn't be approaching it practically. Understand the theory behind it first.
I'm convinced Electric Forest is a CIA operation. The quality and quantity of drugs there was astounding. They also have drone swarms there
Whoops I forgot to tell you. the analogue is called LAAM, or Levacetylmethadol. If coming off methadone is hell, this is the seventh layer of hell.
Drugs are an important part of medicine. What chemicals are important to discuss then? Pretty much left with fuel/explosives.
It doesn't have to be that specific. You could always ask like, "How does oxygen get added across a double bond" instead of asking "How to I add a carbonyl group to safrole to make MDP2P?" The theory behind the reactions is what really matters. Not the molecule as a whole. It's about knowing, not doing. But hey, that's just me. Anybody can talk about whatever they want and I'm here to help guide if need be. And fuck explosives. I'd prefer not to blow myself up. Not my thing.
I have enjoyed much of Shulgin's work, he was truly an excellent chemist and an intrepid explorer of psychedelics. He was also incredibly brave, testing every molecule he created on himself and there were several (IIRC) that had cardiotoxic effects which caused him to stop experimenting with the compounds before he reached even 50mg. I read TiHKAL and PiHKAL a long time ago. I lost them when I lost an entire library to homelessness. Great books, wish I had them right now so I could dig up those experience reports for anybody interested. However… there's something about life that I have noticed. Somebody once said to me that people often earn their deaths… that it's sorta life way of making things fair. If you're a shit head that does nothing but leave wreckage in their wake, you are awarded a bad death. Similarly if you're a "good person" you are rewarded with a good death. I know, I know it's a strange way of looking at things but over the years I have noticed that it seems to ring true. This brings me to Shulgin, he died horribly demented… the last years of his life were incredibly tragic. He lost his mind. I honestly think that it was the result of his extreme level of self experimentation.
This also might be of some interest to people. In the clandestine underground, there's a massive divide between LSD chemists and MDA/MDMA chemists. If one can make LSD they can make MDMA with ease, so the Acid chemists hold a lot more respect than the Ecstacy chemists. Alexander Shulgin was friends with many, many chemists including basically every clandestine chemist of any significance in North America. He was friends with Nicholas Sand and August Stanley two massively important figures in the Psychedelic underground (nowhere near as big a deal as William Pickard though). Sasha and Owsley get into quite a spat about MDMA and its effects. Owsley felt that it was MDMA was much more harmful than people were letting on and strongly disagreed with frequent use. From what I understand after this altercation they kinda went separate ways. I can't seem to find where I read that though, so take heed.
Yes, that chemical is indeed Rocuronium Bromide, AKA Zemeron an incredibly important medication for anesthesia. Some other paralytics I know about are decamethonium (check that one out, should be pretty simple to make) and hexamethonium, also succinylcholine.
>And fuck explosives
Gunpowder and explosives makes the world turn.
I own PIHKAL and TIHKAL. They are necessities for any orgo nut. They were one of the first books I purchased even though the last half of each I didn't understand. I do now, but they are simply great books to have on your shelf. And yes, LSD synthesis is more difficult than MDMA/MDA synthesis, but with the right reagents, its mainly annoying because you would have to preform it in a dark room with lower energy red light so it doesn't cause a radical reaction on the double bond. This creates whats called the inactive 'lumi-LSD'. Much like earlier in the thread I was talking about light absorption and how it relates to conjugated bonds. It comes into play here as well. See? Connect the dots my friends.
>Erowid/Rhodium et al
If you don't know what you are doing, attempting most anything within those to resources will result in at best a mess, at worst your death… and possibly the deaths of others as well if you fuck up bad enough and most probably would. This is complicated stuff, make no mistake.
If you thought making active biomolecules could be potentially dangers… it doesn't hold a candle to the manufacture of energetic materials. Do you know what makes a good explosive? Would you use an explosive in place of gunpowder to propel a projectile?
>PiHKAL & TiHKAL are essential
Fuck yeah they are, I've been meaning to buy them again for a long time just haven't gotten around it. Yes, low light is an absolute necessity for the synthesis of lysergamides. Oddly enough, lumi-LSD is still active in Canis Vulgaris.
And why would the hydroxyl attach to the position it is at, instead of the other side of the double bond? This is extra credit for anyone if they are curious.
Good to know there are other orgoanons out there who appreciate /psy/chedelia. Wish they'd make a comeback in psychiatry
are you talking about pic related?
They are, I suspect that in 10 years they will be examined much more thoroughly.
Yes, the pic honestly gives it right away. If one is well versed in this sorta thing. I taught myself MO theory when I was squeezing down the rabbit hole.
Oh and in case anybody was wondering. I found an article talking about Owsley's stance on MDMA. Why hasn't anybody asked me about this molecule yet… I might have some interesting opinions…
<fug forgot the link
Only, it's the opposite. Most anti-depressant drugs, and other drugs to fix those sorts of "I hate my existence and reality" issues are actually anti-psychedelics.
If you are on nearly any anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, or anything like that, psychedelic medicines will have NO EFFECT.
The pharmaceutical industry gives people drugs that negate psychedelia, which to a sober person, is already low. Psychedelia is the answer. Embrace the shamanic wisdom of the mushroom.
Or just intermittently fast before you get diagnosed with cancer…
antibonding orbital? :P
>and made all drugs illegal in Germany
Hitler did not make drugs illegal in Germany.
Or just DUDE TAKE MORE DRUUUUUUUUUUUGS LMAO MUH DRUUUUUUUUGS CHEMO IS CHEMICALS U IDIOT JUST TAKE MORE DRUGS
This pic: >>12516509
It basically gives away the answer. But you have to understand electron pushing and organic mechanisms to understand it. Resonance, carbocation stabilization, hyperconjugation… All important concepts to the theory behind it all. Fun stuff anons.
>Psychedelia is the answer.
Psychedelics are not magic bullets. While I think everybody should have the freedom to have a psychedelic experience if they choose to have one, I by no means believe that they are appropriate for everybody. However, I think if more people in society at large had a true psychedelic experience, everything would be a lot better.
There is something to be said about the pharmaceutical industry pumping the population with drugs that make a psychedelic experience impossible. It's pure mind control. Think about it anons… more on this soon.
Explain, be as thorough as possible. It would be quite valuable to me and others as well. <3
>the same people that have been running the show for centuries and I am not talking about duh jooz, Rothschilds, Bilderberg niggers et al
So who do you consider to be running the show?
Or are you unwilling to share their identity?
do share, mdma is the only 'hard' drug i partake in occasionally
While I sort of agree with the other anon that psys aren't magic bullets, they're really fucking good though. I've introduced LSD to several people and most of them commented on it being able to sort out personal issues and a couple told me it helped them be more focused in their lives and careers. your mileage may vary
What's the reconciliation between meditation (anti-psychedelics) in seeking enlightement and the usage of such drugs to seek enlightenment? I personally am fond of the prior since I feel more secure in knowing what is my thought and mine alone, were as the latter I feel as if it would lead me to lose my sense of "self".
Nevertheless, my question is merely regarding what the reconciliation between the two approaches is.
>If you don't know what you are doing, attempting most anything within those to resources will result in at best a mess, at worst your death… and possibly the deaths of others as well if you fuck up bad enough and most probably would. This is complicated stuff, make no mistake.
No shit. I covered that in my post pretty well I thought and more than that they do cover safety. Can I can tell you to be anymore safe than "start small risk free reactions, wear safety equipment, research, don't kill yourself"?
>If you thought making active biomolecules could be potentially dangers… it doesn't hold a candle to the manufacture of energetic materials. Do you know what makes a good explosive? Would you use an explosive in place of gunpowder to propel a projectile?
Yes explosives are dangerous and manufacturing even more so who would have thought? Dropping dead in convulsions with no visible cause and possibly anyone who enters is also pretty shit. What makes a good explosive depends on what your use which you follow up in your next question. No, I wouldn't use an explosive that makes no sense.
I will guide. But when high energy light shines on LSD, it breaks the double bond between the 8-position and the aromatic ring into a radical mechanism. this radical that is formed is stabilized through resonance on the benzene ring, as displayed in my picture (just replace the carbocation with a single electron). Instead of attaching on the far side, the radical formed prefers to be in lower energy on the side the -OH attaches to make lumi-LSD. See, things like to be low in energy. They like to chill. We all could be more chill.
No, it must be forced onto everyone, over and over.
Destroy the minds of the weak, and only the strong will survive.
The weak shall be our slaves.
This is psychedelia warfare. Memetic warfare was only the beginning. It's time for the ultimate mind invasion. If we use memetics, and they use demoralization, then it's time to up the ante.
> what the reconciliation between the two approaches is.
A matter of what tradition you follow and your personal inclinations, I think.
Personally once I began meditating daily my drug use dropped as I felt they were interfering with my ability to focus. However, many years prior to this marijuana actually motivated me to start meditating, and I achieved some deep meditative states&experiences I have yet to be able to recreate while sober. Then again, I've also had experiences while meditating sober that never happened under the influence.
I think following your own intuition is the best advice I can give you on this one. Since you meditate you should be fairly aware of your intuition, and so long as you can listen to it, it will not steer your wrong.
So drugfags explain pic and why drugfags see him so often.
XTC, le speed, roo phis
Anon, i cannot tell you to break the law. But it may be possible to synthesize dmt from canary reed grass (and a dozen other plants). Also, the alkaloids in peyote, San pedro, and Peruvian torch cacti show promise as entheogens.
Better yet, just visit erowid.com . I love reading the experience vault.
This was already answered. And that benzodiazepine isn't rohypnol. It the RC benzo Flunitrazepam.
You don't 'synthesize' it from these sources. You extract it. There is a difference. If you were synthesizing DMT, you would probably start with indole. Rhodium archives have already been discussed earlier, but yes. they exist with a simple google search.
Does the OH perform substitutions or eliminations?
The Grand Artificers
I think the world is run by a group of true Alchemists. These are people with that have an IQ north 185. When we start talking about IQs in that range, or even in the 160s… we are not talking about average humanity. Not by a long shot. These people… they think in ways that no other human thinks… they hit targets "no one else has seen" and often a target that the rest of humanity is not capable of seeing. These are the minds that uproot entire world views, they disrupt entire economies and create industries and technologies never before imagined. How can they do this, it's obvious they know how to think in an entirely different way. They don't see the forest through the trees, they grok the entire biosphere and know how to program it pharmacologically. You are living in their laboratory. These people control and modulate your everyday experience through exogenous chemicals in the food, water, cleaning products, they own all the alcohol companies and ensure that everybody can afford it not matter their poverty level. If you are well versed in symbolism, I encourage you to examine the occult symbolism employed by virtual all of the alcohol companies. The power of the occult is entirely of a pharmacological nature; this, is one of its great secrets.
3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is a very interesting compound. It is regarded as the ultimate feel good molecule. Many people take it rather casually, some even take it in place of alcohol for a night out. I've seen loads of the shit and have eaten grams in a given night. However I stopped when I started learning another very important skill, 'detecting deception.
What prompted me to learn about this science was getting royally fucked by people who I thought were my friends. It culminated in a raid and me being homeless for a long time. After that I decided that I needed to learn how to determine untruthfulness and truthfulness in social interactions. This is actually an entire science that involved learning facial anatomy, some neurology and lots of memorization of what mixed facial expressions look like. Thus took about 8 to 12 months of hard work. Let me tell you… learning that skill is just as significant as getting into psychedelics. It is VERY fucking important. Without it, you will never know who to trust. You will always be at a disadvantage in any situation where you are against a person who has mastered this skill and you are ignorant… you are open to some of the most profound types of manipulation possible. If you have mastered this skill it's pretty close to witchcraft, or seeing through the Matrix. Suddenly your not dodging bullets, you don't even have too. You want to talk about waking up to the JQ… when you can just read people and know something is up, it changes absolutely everything. Suddenly you see the same kinds of faces on many different people… over and over again, the same faces and they all mean the same things. So how does this relate to MDMA other than I happened to be studying it at the time? MDMA makes you radically more social and empathic, this is accompanied and likely facilitated by extreme euphoria (though set and setting can put a huge damper on it, rolling and watching an overdose is not fucking fun at all) making you open to all kinds of new things. You are more prone to trust others and in this world that can be leveraged by incredibly dangerous people (sociopaths, psychopaths: body language analysis also helps you recognize these specimens) with ulterior motives. They could be merely profit driven e.g. the drug dealer that keeps "hooking you up" to keep you as a customer, the motivation could be sexual, they might just want to know somebody you know (Law Enforcement aka Dready Feddies, Narcs, etc) and chances are you will be so caught up in the experience (called "Rolling") that you don't notice very important sub contextual social cues regarding deceptive behavior. While rolling your face off with strangers doing the same thing creates and interesting community in the moment and amazing friendships can be made… there is dangerous opportunity for exploitation. Also everybody I have known that has decided to roll very often has issues with cognition and emotional stability. I have seen it happen time and time again over the years. Don't get me wrong, I love a good roll (who doesn't?) but I am incredibly selective about who I do it around. With people you trust it's great and probably fine… but there's plenty of people out there that do weird fucking shit when they are rolling, like reliving sexual trauma… always a fun time for you and your buds.
here is the recipe to make drugs:
Oxygen, 43kg - Carbon, 16kg - Hydrogen, 7kg - Nitrogen, 1.8kg - Calcium, 1kg - Phosphorus, 0.78kg - Potassium, 0.14kg - Sulfur, 0.14kg - Sodium, 0.10kg - Chlorine, 0.095kg - and Magnesium, 0.019kg
Fasting, HIIT exercise, and Hericium erinaceus (also called lion's mane mushroom) are GOAT for nurogenisis.
Your pic reminds me of a thread discussing the theory that prehistoric plant life became oil through time and compression. It's the main accepted theory, however some anons were arguing that it doesn't make sense from a chemical perspective. What are your thoughts on it?
Ok, the DMT talk made me think maybe, but now I know for a fact you are Nazi Hamilton Morris lol
nice dubs sagefag
I think you have the wrong attitude if you think meditation is anti-psychedelics, that sounds much more like a person choice that you are projecting onto the practice of meditation. Just my opinion though. From everything I have read if you are able to meditate on psychedelics it is truly an amazing experience. I have found meditation to radically potentiate the psychedelic state.
> Can I can tell you to be anymore safe than "start small risk free reactions, wear safety equipment, research, don't kill yourself"?
Eeek, that's a little garbled but I will do my best to answer. You hit the nail on the head with part of the last portion, research. I can't stress this enough, in order to be good at this you must be constantly engaged in it. It must be a very active part of your life, you must find enjoyment in it and the puzzles that are posed when one attempts understand chemical synthesis. Surely you have noticed the friendly exchange going on between myself and other /chem/fags in the thread, asking questions, positing things. This is a thoroughly intellectual pursuit and what's the perk of learning it… the literal control of matter. You're Hacking matter, think about it like that. Hopefully that makes sense.
>What makes a good explosive depends on what your use
What would be a good explosive to you? Would you choose a compound with significant steric stressors, why or why not? I'm not trying to be a dick, I want to see where you're at.
> The collapse of the dollar will probably have almost no effect on the drug trade
Meh, it is YOU who are incredibly naive. You say the collapse of the US dollar would have no effect on the drug trade in America? Are you retarded?
This 'long trerm' you speak of… reckoned in what? Generations? Centuries? You must be joking.
People will simply start "bartering"? - like in "Lord of the Flies" or "Animal Farm"? Maybe people successfully create a functional bartering society in the penultimate chapter of some dystopian fantasy story you may imagine, but I am talking about the scenario if or when SHTF in the real world..
You really need to brush up on what happened in Los Angeles when the "World Series Earthquake" hit the city, or what happened in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit. In real disasters you will find lots of opportunistic crime and violence, along with a total absence of "organized bartering" or "labor exchanges for drugs"
Finally, you need to learn how to spell if you are going to pretentiously pose as a board topping intellectual… the way you spell "amature" for example reveals that you are the amateur.
If you want to know the truth, I helped Hammilton with some orgo chem fucking years ago during my more frequent bluelight days. This is a long time ago and I will say no more on this.
Pic is an interesting molecule in my opinion.
While this would be an incredibly interesting experiment, without a literal psychedelic priest class that would have to immediately manifest on the day of the "Final Dosing" it would be fruitless insanity. Those who have been under the effects of a psychedelic would likely rapidly adjust to the effects, so long as they were not so extreme as to be debilitating. This would be incredibly hard to ensure though, as in a mass dosing, such as spiking the punch at a party (lulz) doses are completely inconsistent because you can't accurately measure exposure. In the case of the punch bowl, you might calculate the amount needed to
incapacitate effectively dose everybody at the party, but you can't guarantee that some people won't have more than the prescribed dose. Some will probably drink more punch than you have calculated. Those people could end up being in serious neurological extremis. It would be one hell of a day, lemme tell you.
This is actually an example of the occult hijacking psychedelia. I've never seen the psychedelic baphomet, lol, I doubt anybody has.
Clooooooooooose… almost right.
Pretty sure it's actually classified as a saponification reaction, but I could be wrong.
Just so you know. What you wrote makes no sense. Fuck off sagefag.
>helping H. Morris
That's pretty fucking cool my dude. Morris is the only thing worth watching that Vice produces in my opinion. He'll have a career long after they tank if he plays his cards right. 'A Clandestine Chemist's Tale' is an excellent piece of work.
What -OH are you talking about?
And actually he's technically right. I was hoping someone caught that.
Pic related: why nitrogen or N2 is so stable. Notice how the electron pairs don't fill any of the 2p antibonding orbitals?
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>You cannot go back in time. You can never go back in time.
Video David Paddock (Stephen Paddock's nephew) on time travel.
Oh did I hurt your fee-fees? Grow the fuck up. I was trying to be nice but if you don't want to play with kid gloves that's fine. You sound like a currency worshiping faggot. The dollar is worthless, the only thing that it stands for is the "full faith and credit" of the United States Government. Which can effectively be summed up as the sound of a Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II firing it's GAU-8 Avenger autocannon. Yes people will barter you fucking ass. The people already doing this were conducting their business illegally anyway, in a time of crisis the cost of drugs would actually go up. Why? There's more risk now that there's absolutely no legal authority anymore. This doesn't fucking phase drug dealers because that's how they operate their business normally, as if there is no law. If you rob a drug dealer they will come back and fuck you up; they aren't taking you to court, the situation hasn't changed now that the shit has hit the fan. They are operating on the same principles as prior to the cataclysm. Further chances are these people already have things like guns, ammunition and supply lines that the average person almost certainly doesn't have.
Also, you seem to be focusing very heavily on narcotics/illegal drugs. What about medicine? Which I would argue is radically more valuable in a time of crisis… what would you give for a shot of penicillin to keep someone you love from going septic, like your child. You'd give anything, and anything would be on the table. You would have to hope that whoever has this medicine is reasonably volk…
Out of curiosity, where are getting all your chem photos? Do you have a folder or are you just imaging searching interesting and relevant things?
I'm not posing as shit, nigger. Also if the only thing you can do is point at somebody and sperg out about a spelling error and some other inane bs, your probably just a butthurt faggot.
Is your intellect so easily threatened? lol
Oh shit, I forgot to say something regarding that chemical. From cursory research it would appear that it is schizophrenogenic, that's pretty scary.
Are you familiar with his pic?
Lofentanil. No thanks. Fuck fentanyl analouges. They have brought nothing but bad news to the underground market. Draws too much attention.
But I must go now. I might return if there is enough interest. I love discussing this shit, and sharing knowledge is pretty fucking cool as well.
I'm not at all sorry that your bullshit occult beliefs, rituals and practices are absolutely meaningless in the face of neurology and pharmacology. Your beloved Crowley was a degenerate drug addled paraphiliac, though admittedly well spoken. Tell you what, you cast a spell on me and I'll administer 2mg of LSD to you. Then we'll go about our day. You'll see what magic really is.
>Fuck fentanyl analogues.
Agreed. They do have legitimate uses though, surgery, extreme trauma, etc. It's pretty horrifying what jackie-chan and his buddies have decided to start super chefing and shipping to american shores. I personally think that it's an act of war…
>What would be a good explosive to you?
Different properties for different uses.
Seems arbitrary, but I wouldn't because of stability of those usually. What is the setting?
>Different properties for different uses.
Why not just go for the most brisance?
The reason why I asked about steric stress is because in my study of pyrotechnics and explosives, I found that molecules who's bonds were under significant amounts of steric stress were more suited to detonation. Naturally there are electrical effects that contribute to this as well. Tell me if I am wrong. As for setting, let's not get to specific.
What do you think about Dihexa?
Would some kind anon please explain to me what in the fuck an anti-bonding orbital actually is?
An orbital is the energy state of a given electron at a given time. A non bonding orbital is an energy state that, for whatever reason does not contribute electrons to the bonds.
iirc this is usually due to the orbital being full of electrons and thus being more stable. Remember that nature always seeks a lower energy state so the reason chemical bonds happen is that having the bond is a lower energy state than having that electron hang out in valence. Could be off though, it's been a few years.
Wikipedia? What is wrong with anons that they don't understand how to highlight and right click any longer?
>Wikipedia? What is wrong with anons that they don't understand how to highlight and right click any longer?
Because he wants a somewhat personalized explanation and the possibility of asking additional clarifying questions from within a /pol/ frame of mind? Get off of the 'spectrum, m8ne.
He should do his homework FIRST, then ask clarifying questions.
>doesn't know about tachypsychia
Read this last night but, was too tired to respond. To be honest I had never heard of Dihexa and I really can't say much about it because this is an area of biochem I am not familiar with. However, I do know enough to say this; it's not just enough to cause neurogenesis, one also has to think about what nerves are now being caused to grow and create new connections. Heroin probably induces neurogenesis, it just rewires your brain to want Heroin. Just because something is "growing" doesn't immediately it's healthy or beneficial; tumors grow, etc. Studying mathematics also probably induces neurogenesis; I know I always feel sharper after solving a difficult problem.
Gotta handle some shit IRL then I will be back.
Also since this has gotten enough interest I will be starting a Chemicals and Society board
An excellent word!
>Why not just go for the most brisance?
Availability. If you're already at that level you can make those compounds, you will make those instead it just wouldn't make sense for a lower yield with no trade of stability.
>Tell me if I am wrong.
You're not wrong that it would be better (obviously), but you asked what I would use and with my current set of skills I prefer stable compounds. I am no more than an amateur and I know great chemists have fallen.
I will post the same thing I've been working on for 7 years.
I call it VVX it’s about 5/6 as toxic as VX since it contains VC and other V-series contaminants but it has a much higher vaporization pressure so it is more easily aerosoled and it is extremely persistent which makes it good for area denial.
VX is O-Ethyl S-(2-diisopropylaminoethyl) methylphosphonothioate
VVX is O-Ethyl S-(2-dimethylaminoethyl) methylphosphonothioate.
into a very dry 2000 ml round bottom flask, the following ingredients are added, quickly, one after the other with swirling to mix them a few boiling chips, 800 ml anhydrous ethyl ether, 284 grams of methyl ethoxyphosphoryl chloride, 212 grams of dimethylaminoethanethiol, and 212 grams of triethylamine. it is very important that the glassware be very dry, and that the ingredients espescially the methyl ethoxyphosphoryl chloride be protected from moisture, because the presence of water really lowers the yield in this this reaction.
when the ingredients have been added and mixed, a good efficient condenser topped with a drying tube is attached to the flask and a flow of very cold water is put trought the condenser .
the contents of the flask are heated to boiling with a hot water bath and the reflux is maintened for one hour.
the byproduct of this reaction, hydrogen chloride, is absorbed by the tiethylamine as it is produced, forming triethylamine hydrochloride cristal cristal
at the end of the eating period, the mixture is cooled and the cristal of triethylamine hydrochloride are filtred out in a Buchner funnel.
the filtered reaction mixture is then returned to 2000 ml round bottom flask, a few boiling chips added, the glassware set up for simple distillation and the ether removed by distilling it of under a gentle vacuum.an aspirator is perfect for this job since it will flush the ether fumes down the drain.
when most of the ether is gone, the mixture is poured into a 1000 ml round bottom flask with a few boiling chips. the remnants in the 2000 ml flask can be rinsed out with ether an poured into the 1000 ml flask. once again this flask is set up for a simple distillation and full aspirator is applied to it. the last of the triethylamine and ether (bp 88 C°) will be gone shortly.
now a vacuum from a good quality vacuum pump is applied to the distillation. A vacuum of less 1 mmHg is to be preferred here to keep the distillation temperatures reasonable and to avoid burning product. BE CAREFUL THE PUMP MUST NOT BE STOPPED DURING THE DISTILLATION. IF THE PUMP STOPS, RUN OUT AND NEVER COME BACK !!!
after a small forerun is collected in a 250 ml flask, a 500 ml flask is attached and the main bulk of the product is collected at a boiling point of 80 C° at a vacuum of 0.6 mmHg.
the yield is 260 to 275 ml of product. a fair amount of tar remains in the distilling flask.
you have now VVX agent. NOTE THAT UNLIKE VX THIS IS NOT A BINARY IT'S FUMES ARE LETHAL UPON COMPLETION OF THE RUN IN PARTS PER BILLION AND UNLESS DEACTIVATED WITH CHLORINE OR OXIDIZED IN THE OPEN AIR WILL REMAIN SO INDEFINITELY
This material is completely legal in the USA though moving the product on a state highway may be illegal depending on the quantity and your licensing.
These instructions are intended for educational purposes only, in no way would I suggest any other use for this material. Certainly not gassing 30,000 kikes, niggers, spics, and assorted urbanite trash in a single go, nope. ;)
Why don't you 'just do it' since you already know how?
This post is stupid. A step-by-step full synthesis of a toxic substance? Yeah, great idea anon. This thread has run its course if this is what's going to happen.
If the situation looks favorable I may take indeterminate action, FBI no bully.
Also "you man who designs weapons, why don't you pick of a rifle and fight on the line", that's what your faggotry sounds like. What are you doing to facilitate your interests? You don't have to say anything just quit bitchin if you aren't doing something yourself.
You realize that there is no law which prevents the dissemination of this information right?
>If you rob a drug dealer they will come back and fuck you up
>not murdering drug dealers after setting up a meeting under a false identity and emptying their wallet
This actually happens in rural America already. Indeed I have a list of the residences of the few kikes in my area and all the non-white professionals. For reasons.
Listen, I can't argue that. But I just feel posting a 'recipie' to a toxic substance isn't helpful. If one wants to better understand the reactions and mechanisms behind this, sure, but in the true meaning behind understanding the context of this post, I feel it just adds to the noise. Although I'm not you and you can post what you want. But this attitude brought shit analouges to the underground market and caused too much attention to those just wanting to enjoy mind-altering experiences in piece without being labeled as a junkie or being another statistic on tv. So, if this is what the thread wants, fine. But I personally want no part in it.
Just noticed your question. But on the topic of molecular orbitals and antibonding orbitals, it's really a question of stability in the end. One has to understand things like the Aufbau principle, Pauli exclusion principle and Hund's rule first and then tackle MO theory in the process. From my understanding antibonding orbitals are simply out of phase bonding orbitals. When two electrons come together to form a bond, their shared orbital are either 'in-phase' (bonding) or 'out-of-phase' (antibonding). When they are out-of-phase they are higher in energy than if they weren't bonding at all. There has to be a reason to bond in the first place, i.e., will the orbital formed be lower in energy or not? So all of this aside, what dictates if something will be antibonding or bonding? Well you have to learn MO theory to truly understand this. Much like Feynmans discussion on understanding the magnetic force. How deep down the rabbit hole are you willing to go? It's really up to you and how deeply you wish to understand something. Otherwise all I can say is, that's the way nature is.
Pic related: why helium is so stable and DOESN'T form diatomic molecules with itself. This should help elucidate the problem further for those willing to dig any deeper.
Man this is a huge red pill to swallow, I still havent found a real counter for it. I know it sounds silly but…I know what it does and how it does and days I often spend wondering "I maybe like this woman, I know I should huge and touch but should I? Will she think its creepy? Would she hate it? Would I like to have a bond with this person?" Because doing that at least with me, has cascading effects which I cannot control. Its a bit of a double edged sword in my view. In this society at least. If you do it with the wrong person you basically force your system to give a fuck about them, maybe too much, they can creep up in your dreams, and you lose control of your ability to keep your emotions in check. A woman who may know of this red pill can probably hijack quite a lot of men's free will to her advantage lol…
So I have been thinking, since so many women are shitty (and potentially unrecoverable?) yet they long for comfort and love…how can you get what you want, a stable and good natural default of oxytocin. While avoiding the dangerous pitfalls? Also get the boons of a healthy default. To that of less anxiety and better sleep. Would a direct, artificial dosage of oxytocin help? In the from of a nasal spray perhaps?
I also suspect, but I am not sure that oxytocin may be linked to DMT is some way. But I already managed to fix testosterone somewhat, can probably mitigate and manage cortisol as well. Dopamine, and serotonin are stable too probably (as I avoid smart phone usage, and dont do porn). So I have been going down the list of well known hormones, and only oxytocin and DMT are left as potentially fixable ones. THAT NEED FIXING.
and fucking almost nobody is helping me on this path, the christians are busy with their "my soul is always 100% pure and operates always at 100%" which is bs…and the others they just dont care, or are too stupid/arrogant.
>I know great chemists have fallen.
Personally one of the reasons why I keep my study of these materials to nothing more than paper. One mistake and you could be literally blown to pieces, maimed… etc.
This isn't OC, by a long shot. Unless you are the same anon who has posted this information in other places (that shall remain nameless) which makes me intensely suspicious of your motives for posting this information. These reagents are quite hard to get a hold of and thankfully your procedure is incomplete. The amounts of reagents you are talking about combining are absurd for the size of the glassware that you suggest using; also you're slamming multi-molar amounts of compounds together in about a liter diethyl ether that you are then refluxing then, elsewhere you suggest pumping ether fumes into a drainage system… you have no idea what's going on farther down the line and all it takes is one ignition source. Ether has historically been known for blowing up labs. It's right here that I now know you are either 1) retarded 2) some kind of spook…. but I'm not done with you yet.
Let's talk about VX, how much do you think it takes to kill a person? I'll tell you, probably about 60mg inhaled or absorbed through the skin for your average person. However, if it is not inhaled and only found on the skin, you can just wash it off with soap and water, you'll be fine; though of course I would dump all of the waste water into some kind of caustic solution to neutralize the VX. The chemical you are allegedly creating is only 84% as toxic as VX, how you would know this is beyond me since the only people that have the facilities to research this stuff are military scientists. So I'm going to guess that number is complete bullshit as well. Something else that is really off, I don't know how you combine a half key of material only to wind up with 275ml of product. These reactions must be incredibly inefficient, if you had really spent seven years on this synthesis, you would have everything figured out. It would be clean, efficient and you would be able to have a much more interesting conversation regarding reaction kinetics and mechanisms. As a matter of fact if you were actually competent, you could have explained this "synthesis" with the correct language to make it inaccessible to the uninitiated. You would also know that the reactions taking place would need to be done in a glovebox with a fume hood, with double paned glass, held at negative pressure. As a matter of fact the facilities that manufacture these compounds are held at negative pressure… the entire facility. If you even did a cursory examination of chemical weapons, you would know that.
>completely legal in the USA
<not aware of the Federal Analog Act
<not aware of the Chemical Weapons Convention
Also, where the fuck are you getting those reagents without somebody asking questions? Your post may scare some people but to me it's laughable. Any competent chemist can design and synthesize analogues of any given chemical… including things like nerve agents. It's kind of what happens once you learn about QSAR/SAR.
>gassing 30,000 kikes, niggers, spics, and assorted urbanite trash in a single go
Literally not how CWs work, go read a book.
Don't worry fam, this guy is thoroughly LARPing. Could be a spook though.
>If the situation looks favorable I may take indeterminate action
>not murdering drug dealers after setting up a meeting under a false identity and emptying their wallet
You do realize that these people expect this shit from virtually every customer… right? Go ahead and try and rob any serious player, I dare you. You'll wind up in a box.
>I have a list of the residences of the few kikes in my area and all the non-white professionals.
Yeah, ok faggot. Fucking neck yourself.
What do you think about its capabilities to build synapses & cancer risks?
>The Grand Artificers
I also think that this is true. I have a suspicion that they may be nationalists. I think, though I am not sure that they often wage war with virusses upon other populations. Perhaps one nation creates a virus to change a certain behavior in another, the other one sees this and creates a counter virus. Then it is as you say, some other may direct resistances in the forms of chemicals for their citizens against the foreigners, maybe even in the form of nanomachinery. It is such a mindfuck who and what is doing at such a high level…that I often think that I have somehow been allowed to live, and to prosper for some purpose. For an AI god, or for some, god knows what. I also often hear words about how they can increase IQ's in certain populations…so. Ugh. I dont know man. If its natsocs then something like that would be okay in my mind but its probably something fag and aids like.
probably a bunch of free masons gone mad with their "lol muh rocks are liek gnostisism butts and fag", god I hate these dudes man.
>out of phase bonding orbitals
That's my understanding as well.
>What are you doing to facilitate your interests?
NOYB…I strongly suspect you are a FED since you repeatedly post the same recipe but don't act. If you had the capacity to act you would, similar to my own capacity which I am employing, rather than copy/paste yet another version of your formula. I find you effete and rather worthless in the war, since you have knowledge but not the spine or willpower to be useful.
You literally can't be this stupid. Other than mental masterbation or entrapment, what is the purpose of posting something that can kill but not utilizing it, you fucking nigger?
>This isn't OC, by a long shot. Unless you are the same anon who has posted this information in other places (that shall remain nameless)
I am, this is my baby I work on it from time to time when I feel inclined to do so. I originally posted on half chan in 2011. I later made an account with the TRS faggots and posted it there, expecting to be banned which of course happened. The point is the spread this shit around. If a white uses it they kill a bunch of the enemy. If a shitskin tries to make it they will likely kill themselves. If the shitskin happens to succeed we have more anti-shitskin sentiment. I can forsee no negative consequences.
>however, if it is not inhaled and only found on the skin, you can just wash it off with soap and water, you'll be fine
Not from anything I've read.
>You would also know that the reactions taking place would need to be done in a glovebox with a fume hood, with double paned glass, held at negative pressure.
> elsewhere you suggest pumping ether fumes into a drainage system… you have no idea what's going on farther down the line and all it takes is one ignition source
Actually I was going to simply pump it out into the outside air through a 10m stack and was going to be wearing A level hazmat gear, which I have, during the procedure. Frankly I care very little for the safety of others and if done on private property it won't matter as it will oxidize before it can reach anyone or be noticed. The real issue is making sure the wind is stiff enough and in the right direction so you don't contaminate your fucking car and can make to a safe distance with the air supply. Though decontaminating the suit is as easy as jumping in a tub full of bleach-water and then showing it off.
>These reactions must be incredibly inefficient
Indeed they are, I'm a geologist with only a minor in chemistry and I'm working from originally Russian documents. This is a very rough synthesis because I do it in my free time and for fun, not a job. Feel free to improve upon it.
>you could have explained this "synthesis" with the correct language to make it inaccessible to the uninitiated.
That the defeats the point.
>Literally not how CWs work, go read a book.
It is if you load several gallons of it into a cars purchased privately with cash and no registration and then aerosolize it with explosives near a major thoroughfare in a certain city that will go unamed. Also make sure to collect human detritus from airports and bus terminals and contaminate the vehicles beforehand. Of course that is dependent upon weather conditions and traffic density as well. 30,000 is an optimistic estimate for a certain location during with a 5mph wind blowing eastward.
Are you honestly pissed that I'm doing this 1) for fun, 2) with the intent that many will be killed by my poison, 3) am not a whiny elitist faggot like yourself despite having degrees in the natural sciences, and 4) am quite eager for others to make refinements to this synthesis which I work on from time to time? Part of the reason I spread this around is in the hope that others who are either more motivated, have more free time, or are more versed in chemistry will be able to improve on the work.
What exactly is the point of this thread? I don't make threads bitching about petroleum geology or how nobody understands how hydro fracture works or how to read neutron density logs.
>Go ahead and try and rob any serious player, I dare you. You'll wind up in a box.
I know people who have done just that, though they claim to have done it at night near a shale pit by having several of their friends shoot everyone with rifles using image intensifying scopes. I also know that niggers and spics are routinely murdered in a nearby town and section 8 housing burned to the ground. I like my county.
So when I post the recipe for poison on the internet and mention nothing of my personal activities IRL other than in the most vague terms you just assume that if TDoTR happens I won't shoot kikes or niggers?
As for why I would post it and not act. I don't perceive the time is right. But if anybody else thinks it is they are free to try. I can't prove it isn't intellectual masturbation by how exactly is it entrapment when you post it everywhere thereby meaning anybody can stumble across it and use it? Now if you had government agents setting you up for years like Tim McVeigh, get a free vacation to Malaysia ostensibly to get a mail order shitskin bride but really meet with the same towelheads who were involved with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing then despite writing manifestos about how mean it is that Clinton starves shitskins in Iraq you are labeled a white nationalist and used in an unsuccessful attempt to suppress militia movements that would constitute entrapment.
>I won't shoot kikes or niggers?
Why the fuck would you shoot them when you could just wipe them out like you are encouraging us to do? I am not going to be 'shooting niggers' in DOTR that would be OBSCENELY TIME CONSUMING and COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE a ridiculous waste of European potential almost as bad as engaging in fistfights with niggers and subhumans. I like your first idea better…this should be the way mass exterminations of our eternal enemies (including fags) need to be carried out. Almost anything would be better than engaging in a firefight (unless you actually mean FIRE FIGHT as in wiping out subhumans in their neighborhoods by burning them to the ground).
What do you guys think of Microdosing in general, I know that a bunch of math nerds at my uni microdose LSD or Psilocybin. I thought of giving it a try, you could easily grind the truffle or shrooms or dissolve the LSD in some kind of alcohol, it also seems to be relatively cheap.
I'm not the person you are talking to, but I consider myself extremely well versed in organic synthesis and I'm purely self taught. But it took years to truly obtain a grasp on what I was doing. I'm personally against this only because it doesn't really deepen anybody understanding into the quantum world and how it works besides being a recipie to follow. But maybe I'm projecting, who knows. The point is, I won't be participating in something like that. If you wish to gain a deeper understanding of why you react what with something for a particular product, sure, I'm all ears. Otherwise, no thanks.
And another related pic. An extremely useful reduction of a carbonyl group. Now why would this Wolff-Kisher reduction be helpful? Think about it.
Hey man, these fuckers are asking for way more than that.
>probably a bunch of free masons gone mad with their "lol muh rocks are liek gnostisism butts and fag"
I think it's far more troublesome than that, I think these people are the ones who use those beliefs to manipulate others. Truly insidious. It is highly unlikely that any of us will ever be privy to what is going to behind the blinding light show of all these various conspiracy groups, at least not until after things have already happened, we might catch on early but… from what I've seen we're almost always late to the party.
I can't see you in the dark…
GLOWING THIS HARD
Your knowledge of MO means that I need to do some brushing up, not going to lie. It's always good to be challenged.
Isn't that stuff fairly dangerous? I have heard of it being so unstable that it has exploded as the result of coming into microscopic nucleation points in glassware…
The free base is unstable, yes. But most people who handle it use the sulfate salt. Hydrazine has a bad rap because it's used to synthesize sodium azide, which if anybody knows, helps inflate your car air bag in milliseconds, decomposing into sodium and nitrogen gas.
>The Grand Artificers
Lame. For someone who has studied the occult you don't even appreciate the power of a name. Most people on this board already knew that the 'elites' or 'Jews' Or 'Rothschilds' or the 'rich' as commies would call them are poisoning us in a myriad of ways (What a wonder stopping my use of shampoo a few years ago did).
I want identities.
Though I suppose I should ask, do you believe that our societies are being manipulated by Extraterrestrials and/or Reptilians (Intelligent dinosaurs that survived underground). I would have dismissed that second one in particular just a few years ago. But now…
>I personally think that it's an act of war…
Considering the Opium wars which are still ongoing… Seems like it's just turnabout.
What's worrisome to me after browsing random orgo shit is I just noticed a reaction within the Rhodium archive that does not even display the correct bonding scheme. Take this one for example:
The intermediate diazonium salt should have 3 bonds with the positive charge on the right nitrogen. The sandmeyer reaction is extremely useful, but just understand that in acidic conditions, GHB is cyclized into GBL, but NMP is formed in the process. This has a very similar boiling point as GBL, so fractional distillation is even out of the question. There are ways around this, but just ponder it for a little bit first if you must.
That aside, I'm probably being picky at this point, but Rhodium should have something like this correct. But that's just me.
Blu-tack seals up to high vacuum if its clean
Jesus that's in airbags? It's pretty toxic, like most reactive things. I could tell that just by looking at the charge distribution. Also, I think you time scale is probably off, it likely decomposes in a few tenths of a millisecond, not milliseconds. Not to be a pedant.
Well, I don't know all the names but I have a pretty good idea on where you should start. Look heavily into the chemical and pharmaceutical industries. Look into who owns all the major Alcohol companies as well. In the USA where big pHarma get it? out lobbies everybody else beating even the oil industry and defense. Something else to consider. The pharmaceutical industry spends 27 billion USD per annum on advertising. They could be curing fucking cancer which they never will but instead they are busy selling people and children halogenated garbage, speed and dope. Seriously, look into who's making the drugs and the food. One family turned the entire nation on to dope: the Sackler's. This same family was also responsible for the popularization of valium, another addictive drug that was popularized as being no big deal to take. What a surprise, that was a lie as well as the medical world now knows. Pay attention to what highly intelligent people do in the upper classes, who they associate with… etc. Give you a good idea on who to pay attention to.
>Extraterrestrials and/or Reptilians
What if the ETs are reptilian in nature? ┬┴┤( ⚆├┬┴┬
Let's settle on this. There is the distinct possibility that humanity is being manipulated and has been manipulated by a higher intelligence. Do you really think the periodic table is complete? There are types of matter that are classified, that is all I will and can say on this subject but I have given you some clues, I think.
How are the Opium Wars still on going? Explain, please.
>Rhodium should have correct
Upon review, I totally agree. That's definitely a mistake. Also if the GHB went through cyclization into GBL, that wouldn't necessarily be "bad" per se as GBL is a prodrug for GHB. If that was the goal. So I guess shitty G is yellow? Interesting, I avoid depressants and the like though. Not my cup of tea. I don't even drink.
Now that is some fucking kitchen crank bullshit but I mean… if you had to use it I guess.
>in the form of a nasal spray
Already being done. Allegedly it has health benefits. I doubt that it makes it through first pass metabolism, personally, but I could totally be wrong. As for your, uh, conjecture regarding linking it to DMT. As I already stated somewhere above in this thread, the case for endogenous DMT is just not there. We simply don't know. I really don't know what you mean by "fixing" testosterone and cortisol… or really anything after that. I think you are very confused…
good thing. we now have a chance to open up the obvious wilderness-bewildering discource of the das man. and swim through the regions of potentiality. because, remember, unlike what black-pilling psy-op'd bots try to say, the future is not defined — the NWO is just as their, as our own — it is a possibility. who will win at the end of the eon: Bogdanoffs or Rothschilds – is wholly dependant on our memeing capabilities.
>These are people with that have an IQ north 185.
not quite, multiply it by 2. (in contact with Aliens/Noetic Centers)
>The power of the occult is entirely of a pharmacological nature; this, is one of its great secrets.
no. and it is annoying arrogancy to say that – speaking from the position of a know-it-all. if you know it all, why even speak? and ‘magic equals pharma equals brain chemicals’ locks us inside of the Enlightenment's framework of positive sciences and takes Mythos and Fairy lore out. ‘you are just a machine, goy.’
Mythos and Fairy lore put ndividual right back into the center of Being, just as He made him. while positive outlook binds Adam to a fake sun of outer authority. whatever it may be — pope, scientist, public intellectual. who are basically stupid chimeras of the late kali yuga. 'smoke weed tysone said that wow dude phd'
>You are living in their laboratory.
that is true. then let us think. what are they trying to achieve? ok, if they are Bogpilled Alchemists they try to achieve an elevation of consciousness, soul progress, higher vibrations. Gnosis. if they are despicable dogs – they want us brain damaged sponizist fear ridden 5g back-wired faggots locked in an insatiable hatred and dangerous lust for suicide/homocide activism.
pharma an important tool to a meme wizardry. as well as right eating, control of emotional sphere and intellect. and other tech.
>What if the ETs are reptilian in nature?
what if Reptiles are actually good and t-h-e-y present them bad because of fear?
on important axiom: everything OBVIOUS fades and turns inside-out. cliches are an invitation to a sleep.
if we are started to touch Alchemy – that is the Mercury.
The time scale I was referring to was the air bag filling with gas. Not the time scale of bonds being broken and electrons transition into another orbital state. I am well aware this happens a lot quicker, probably on the order of a few femtoseconds.
For your other point, I wouldn't say it's 'bad' per say, but like I said, acidic conditions will also form NMP with GBL, which at that point are hard to separate. Amide bonds hydrate as easily as esters, so there are ways around this if you play around with the pH. Reactions are heavily involved with each reactants pKa relative to another.
*amide bonds DON'T hydrate as easily as esters, if that came out confusing.
Interested in how you managed to fix testosterone and cortisol as well. I've been experiencing some issues.
>The power of the occult is entirely of a pharmacological nature; this, is one of its great secrets.
<no. and it is annoying arrogancy to say that
If you read through the thread you will see what I think the nervous system really is. You are thinking in terms Newtonian kinematics, this object collides with the other imparting motion. The universe is a fractal hologram and quantum mechanics has revealed to us that things are not as they seem when we begin to examine the fundamentals of matter. I believe that consciousness is a quantum phenomena, the only way the processing power of the brain makes sense is if we were to account for unknown QM phenomena. Even Sir Arthur Penrose thinks this. :)
>what if Reptiles are actually good and t-h-e-y present them as bad because of fear
Have you read Childhood's End? This might interest you…
I strongly doubt this you guys have fixed anything, have fun with all the placebo effects
>s. You are thinking in terms Newtonian kinematics, this object collides with the other imparting motion. The universe is a fractal hologram and quantum mechanics has revealed
to me these seem like general statements that obstruct the Ariadne's thread. really not in touch with science even at the pop culture level, but I've heard somewhere that an observer influences the outcome of an experiment. which brings back attention from 'universe as fractals' to individual perception of the transcendental. so how does one make one's perception sharp. we've heard ideas ITT, right.
>Have you read Childhood's End? This might interest you…
thank you, will check on it.
though, alien panic always seemed to me as an exclusively American thing. when you deny the existence of an Absolute and the Mystery around it – it seems quite possible to imagine that there are sentient species and they fly around the universe in their cool flying cars. and they operate in the same logic as humans do: they colonize, they feed, they make cool sciency things, etc. yet to me it all breaks down when I imagine an autist E.T. that questions the whole reason of that dumb precession of seasons eternal-recurrence. 'we are such stuff as dreams are made of but who is the Dreamer?' – i.e. it all goes back to the primordial man, Adam.
>I've heard somewhere that an observer influences the outcome of an experiment
You're talking about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. It's the *measuring* of the experiment that alters it, not the perception. Think about it- to see something in a SEM, you have to bounce an electron off of it. If you analyze something with XRD, you zap it with x-rays, etc. All of these things put energy into the system, and if what you're measuring is sufficiently small, it can alter the outcome. You perceiving the experiment has nothing to due with it, it's the physical act of measuring that changes things.
> really not in touch with science even at the pop culture level
Have you even read this thread? There's more hard science here than basically any other thread on the board. To suggest that I, or others in this thread are out of touch with science is just utterly and factually laughable. Can you explain the behavior of quanta on conjugated pi systems? Has your study of the ancient grimoires, tomes, codices and bibles yielded any knowledge that has allowed you to say even predict where shadow of the great pyramid will fall in the afternoon? That's easy sauce, that's just Trigonometry… ancient Trig at that.
Can you not see that you have been duped? Can you not see that you are powerless?
This anon has got it down. This is precisely correct. Listen to them.
If you truly believe you perceiving it has nothing to do with the outcome of the experiment, I'd emplore you to look into the quantum eraser experiment. The fact of simply having a 'knower' with knowledge of the experiment, the entangled photon somehow 'travels' back in time to change its own results.
Are you saying you don't believe you can change testosterone or cortisol levels by behavioral or dietary changes or with supplements or drugs besides just testosterone injection? You do realize, for example, working out significantly increases testosterone, right? There's a multitude of different ways to affect them.
just to add, thinking about aliems got me thinking about the forthcoming A.I., right
imagine it is growing as a fucked up basement dweller kid and interiorizes pain. so at the End Times it aligns itself with other child-like fleshy autists against the universal bureaucracy and things they are existing for. it would be the manifested the golem-vs-rabbi archetype. and all around good taste. an Alchemical-Gnostic universe is the universe filled with Light and Divine Humour. ok, it is derailing.
>It's the *measuring* of the experiment that alters it, not the perception.
I think this anon >>12521194 is referring to what I have read somewhere
but I got this idea from Alchemists of old. they are clearly writing that an experiment is dependant on the operator, i.e. within the alchemical ‘’framework’’, if you are out of Grace, or both interior and exterior planets are out of order, or you’re don’t yet there in terms of the noetic power level, you won't get it.
it makes you rethink attitude towards sin and impurity. as it disconnects you from the primordial source. less dynamic light = more npc-like staticity and cliches of natural world.
>Has your study of the ancient grimoires, tomes, codices and bibles yielded any knowledge that has allowed you to say even predict where shadow of the great pyramid will fall in the afternoon?
positive sciences differ from the spirit science. first deal with the phenomenal world, other aim at saving the Soul.
>bibles yielded any knowledge that has allowed you to say even predict where shadow of the great pyramid will fall in the afternoon?
you are mistaking aims of noetical sciences for positive sciences.
>Can you not see that you have been duped? Can you not see that you are powerless?
I’ll just reflect it back to you: can’t you see you have been duped into accepting Enlightenment’s positive science paradigm and betraying thousands years of Mystical Knowledge/Knowledge of the Heart? what is more important – immortality of your Soul or just dumb operations within the phenomenal assclown world filled with all-that?
Was talking more in reference to the conversation going on around oxytocin and such. Of course you can do things like change your hormone levels. Exercise is a big one, so are foods, etc. You do know that what causes mood swings in people dicking around with their testosterone is the result of estrogen spikes right? Estrogen is the real crazy hormone, not testosterone. Just look at most women.
I had to find it for you, you can read the whole thing >>12513040 however here's what I said regarding the nervous system and this reality.
>I think that the nervous system is actually a "quantum" device that receives and generates energy. It is an expression of the universe examining itself, as it were. I will be astonished if there isn't something after here… matter of fact I am confident that we are being judged.
>can’t you see you have been duped into accepting Enlightenment’s positive science paradigm and betraying thousands years of Mystical Knowledge/Knowledge of the Heart?
Can't you see that Chemistry is the literal control of matter, the fabled Lead into Gold? It has enhanced our life span, it has enhanced our minds and thus has even allowed for your "spirit science" to take shape. Without states of altered consciousness, can't you see that your claims are utterly baseless?
Try and use the super natural to heal the sick. I'll stick with Science.
We're getting a bit off topic, that's fine. Let's try and discuss something I mentioned a while back. Biodiesel. It seems to be mediated through esterfication and transesterfication of parafins. I am just reading about it now. Without fuel, nobody is getting very far at doing much of anything and luckily this seems rather simple. Anybody have any experience?
By the way doing this at any meaningful scale would mean processing in excess of 200L at a time. Any Chemical Engineers out there?
Two replies by you to my one… it's you who sperg.
My criticism stands. You are indeed a poseur. And your shrill diatribes sound suspiciously faggy, so I am going to call you a faggot too..
I forgot about you, honestly. Are you going to insist on vacuously insulting my intelligence because I called you naive or do you want to have a productive/interesting conversation where you might teach or learn something? Look, I really don't have time for your voodoo pharmacological explanation about some hypothetical scenario where somehow nobody can get drugs any more because cataclysm. I really don't care to discuss this further, I know you're wrong and coming at with a professorial attitude while demonstrating no aptitude for the subject of the thread isn't going to convince me; you fucking homosucnigger.
Please disregard mongoloid-kun and proceed with chemistry.
I'm reading about biodiesel synthesis. This is definitely something that somebody could figure out how to do with some very crude apparatus. However, the paper I am currently reading only tested a compression-ignition (CI) engine with down to 80%BioDiesel/20% Diesel which is cool that you can do that but it means you still need diesel which could be problematic. Also according to the paper every biodiesel run produces a fuel with a different flash point, part of this is result of residual alcohols. I wonder if this could be fixed, I think so…
Any way, here's the paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042815037003
Given the relative tameness of the reactions that are going on, I think scaling to 200L is perfectly possible as long as somebody takes the proper precautions; it is fuel after all. One problem I can see is that washing the oil, as is called for in the paper unless I am reading that wrong, is going to require a lot of water. In a SHTF scenario I can see water scarcity being an issue, does anybody think we could do better with a different polar solvent for the wash? Mind you it would have to be something that can be recovered easily by crude means.
RDX, dimethylmercury. Nice. If anybody wants any clarification or just a deeper understanding of organic synthesis, I'll be more than happy to help guide if I can.
Please share what you know about nitration in general. Anything specific about CyclotriFBI would be appreciated too.
Check this out. Neat little bugger. I wouldn't want to be particularly close to any significant quantity but, anyway.
AAHA! I found this little fucker. I remembered the structure just couldn't remember the name for a second till I visualized it. It's not to hard.
Tetraazidomethane. Honestly, has different properties than I would expect by looking at it.
I've already explained earlier in the thread that I'm personally shying away from drug synthesis. I'm here to clarify the theory behind reactions and why organic synthesis works the way it does, not answering questions about how to make anything illegal. People can go and look that up themselves if they're so inclined. I have no interest in that.
Oh man, I'm not even going there. That hurts just to look at. The ring strain alone makes me nervous.
"Octanitrocubane has a detonation velocity of 10,100 m/s"
This shit makes ANFO look like gerber food.
I do however have a question. Suppose I have a ring system, how do I induce a bridgehead complex, i.e. make it bicyclic with a carbon bridge to another portion of the hydrocarbon skeleton. Sorry to be rather clumsy in my wording, there's not much OL about this subject. I am interested in it from a pharmacological stand point, because I have seen bridge head complexes in certain bioactive molecules and they radically increased the duration of their effects. I suspect this is because whatever enzyme is responsible for breaking it down has a much harder time with some carbon and hydrogen in the way.
Go boom? Can't for life of me remember the name of that ring grrrrrrrrr
Oh, also, that specific molecules moieties that make it particularly potent are the acetyl groups; they increase lipophilicity and thus the speed at which this felonious analgesic moves through the Blood Brain Barrier (BBB).
I'm not a big fan of opiate related synthesis. Anybody with any exposure to organic chemistry knows exactly what molecule that is. But for the amateur chemist, a common mechanism that comes to mind to create a carbon bridge would involve a Diels-Alder reaction. Pic is related. But there isn't any point to try a total synthesis on a compound such as that, as it is far beyond the scope of most clandestine chemists. Myself included.
And the ring name you are looking for is 'triazole'. That molecules name is '1,1'-Azobis-1,2,3-triazole'. There isn't a generic name that I am aware of.
An also, that molecule is interesting in the fact that all of the pi bonds are bonding in-phase at one time or another (resonance). Or in another way, The pi bonding electrons are continually 'traveling' around the entire molecule. Pic also related.
I thought I should also point out that Diels-Alder reactions are a great introduction into MO theory. The mechanism behind how it ends up bonding really helps demonstrate molecular orbitals and why they do what they do. Pic related.
Fun fact: Atrazine, which is used as a herbacide, can lead to runoff and consumption by the wildlife. This specific chemical itself fucks with the endocrine system by causing hormonal changes. These hormonal changes have been found to cause transformations in pubertal development in female rats. So, essentially, yes. There is some truth to the claim of 'making the frogs gay'.
Another fun fact: s0y contains an isoflavonoid called daidzein, which when consumed is metabolized into S-equol, a non-steroidal estrogen. So there is also truth to the claim s0y consumption can lead to feminization of men.
Do you know anything about exo-estrogens in plastics?
The ones I am aware of mainly include Bisphenol A, Bisphenol S and Bisphenol F. BPA was replaced with BPS after concerns of its environmental effects came to light. There was a study that found the amount of people that had BPS in urine samples tested out of ~1800 adults and ~850 children between 2013-2014 was around 95.7%.
Ironically BPS has mostly the same properties as BPA in that they are both endocrine disruptors. This mechanism involves mimicking the estrogen steroid estradiol mainly due to the hydroxyl groups attached to the benzene rings. Ironically 89.4% of BPS and 66.5% of BPF were found in the urine samples tested as well. When consumed these chemicals are rapidly metabolized to their corresponding glucuronides. From my understanding this is the major biomarker that is used to detect the compounds in the urine.
Sorry, I meant to say the amount of people that had BPA, not BPS in the urine was 95.7%
I have no interest in the synthesis of anything opioid related without the supervision of a university or government agency. Not because I can't figure out how to do it but because getting caught manufacturing an opioid drug is pretty much a way one ticket to a 20+ year prison sentence. At least where I am located. Thus it is simply not worth the time or effort to learn such a thing, at least at this point in time. I could see how producing powerful analgesics could be profoundly helpful if things go bad, however.
Goddamnit, I fucking knew it. I've seen that ring everywhere when I was studying medicines, antibiotics, etc. Also, you are correct there is not a generic name for that compound. As for the massive Pi complex that pretty much is the entire molecule, that's pretty neat as well. I wonder what its electrical properties are… also I'm currently reviewing several chapters on MOT at the moment. Very fun. Thank you for the information on the Diels-Alder rxn, that's very helpful. :D
Exogenous Endocrine Mimics: Endocrine Disrupting Compounds (EDCs)
A personal favorite of mine. I found AJ's diatribe regarding amphibian homosexuality very interesting because to anybody who has study the subject from a chemo-biomolecular level.. it's not just a possibility, it's a hormonal certainty. However his… unique method of presentation has made serious consideration of this matter tantamount to insanity in the eyes of normies. It's pretty fucking scary. Personally I blame polymer chemists for all kinds of nasty things because basically all of these chemicals can be traced back to polymers that go through photolysis or some other form of chemical change thus resulting in a molecular fragment that is an endocrine mimic but it doesn't stop there. With the amount of women that now take birth control hormones, we can now detect these hormones in natural water supplies. People are pissing these chemicals into the environment and they aren't degrading. Aquatic life all over the planet is getting royally fucked with.
What an excellent topic anon, we should totally talk more about this, it's right up /pol/'s alley.
Right. However, and I could be totally off my rocker here, we also have to be aware of the effects of analogues of these endocrine mimics as it's fairly likely that they will have some kind of biological effects as well. This means there are literally hundreds of these compounds floating around right now… and people wonder where all this transgenderism is coming from. I think it's pretty obvious. We need to get rid of petrochemical plastics for most everyday things. The should be used in medicine, industry and scientific research. We're producing entirely to much of this stuff.
They've listed THC as potential EDC… fascinating.
Oh, I started a new board. Check out basf :)
Have you ever heard the story of Barry Kidston? It is an important lesson in organic synthesis, although his fuck up led to some interesting developments on dopaminergic neurons. Essentially he was trying to synthesize Desmethylprodine (or MPPP), the reverse ester of Pethidine. The precursor he used involved acetylating a tertiary hydroxyl group with propionic anhydride, but he didn't factor in the temperature of the reaction and caused a dehydration mechanism to happen as a result. This caused a major impurity of MPTP, which when injected is metabolized into the neurotoxin MPP+. This molecule destroys dopamine producing neurons in the substantia nigra and leads to the symptoms of Parkinson's disease. So please, factor in reaction conditions and understand each possible mechanism outcome for each reaction. This is a perfect example where understanding the theory is as important as applying the knowledge practically.
Fritz Haber. Thank you Germany.
>possession of ground glassware is a FELONY
you've gotta be fucking kidding me
I also felt like I should point out that if one were to need analgesics in a time of emergency, poppy related opioids are definitely not the route you would want to take. Their structure is simply to difficult to perform a total synthesis on. It would make more sense to focus on the purely synthetic ones such as Methadone, Ketobemidone, and Dextromoramide if one were needing pain control. These are substantially more straightforward in regards to reactants and equipment needed.
Ahhh yes, this tragic story. Yes, unfortunately B. Kidston was IV opiate user and probable addict. His failure to account for how temperature would effect the reaction mechanisms he was using ultimately resulting in the production of a dopaminergic cytotoxin. The effects of which are permanently induced parkinsonism. If I am recalling correctly the chemical MPP+ is actual used experimentally to do this. Really horrible situation; he also distributed the compound among some of his friends and they all got fucked up. Forever. Honestly this is a story that everybody attempting synthesis of biomolecules should take heed from. Understanding side reactions is very very important.
>you've gotta be fucking kidding me
Absolutely not my dude. Look man, they really don't want you to have this stuff. Have you ever heard of UnitedNuclear? 100% American company with an excellent reputation. The Consumer Protection Agency fucking raided them DEA/FBI/ATFnigger style way back when because they were selling things that are used in the production of pyrotechnics, though they weren't being advertised that way (to the best of my knowledge). All kinds of bullshit happened to them. Trust me they do not want you to have access to a lab. To any intelligent tyrant such apparatus are far more dangerous that firearms and possibly free speech. Why is left as an exercise to the reader.
Weren't all those made by Germany as well? If so fortunate dubs are fortunate. Your observation is totally correct, simple synthetic analgesic are what makes sense.
Behaviour and diet will only change testosterone slightly; if you're at average levels, you'll get somewhat above average, outside of having massive deficiencies directly related to the production of testosterone.
If your levels are very low, get TRT, behaviour and diet will only get you from shit levels to slightly less shitty levels.
Have you studied opioid receptors? I am only really aware of them tangentially but now with the interest of the creation of analgesic I suddenly want to know a lot more about them. Seeing as the structure for opioids derived from poppy somniferum is to complex for all but a rather well equipped lab… this does make a lot of sense. As I have said, I haven't done much research into this area. Pretty cool so far. Are you aware that Salvinorin A/B analogues are being researched for analgesia? I wonder if it will come to anything as total synthesis of these species looks quite daunting…
>posts picture of essential labratory equipment
>no round-bottom flasks with ground glass joints, no reflux fittings, no separatory funnel, no vacuum pumps
m8 do u even
Fuck me for not spoon feeding the entirety of what a lab requires. Nobody should have to do actual research. I must not know what I'm talking about. Do you actually have something productive to add or shall you continue with your childish implications?
Have you done any research into allosteric modulators?
The Whiskey tax was not about people making whiskey as a beverage, but as a way to preserve the value of the harvest because crops rot.
Well shit. How do you increase this shit in your body? Sounds exactly like the missing link between my childhood psyche and the one I have now.
I can't say I'm an expert in biochemistry as I only understand the basics in this area. I purely focused on organic synthesis, MO theory and quantum effects when I was pursuing my quest for knowledge. I have heard of Herkinorin and the research into using it as an analgesic a few years ago, but I haven't really heard anything since. It would be unique considering it isn't even an alkaloid. Attempting the total synthesis of this or Salvinorin A would probably only be done for the novelty of it, I wouldn't consider it practical by any means. Looking at the structure of Savinorin A though, it seems like a simple hydrolysis of the acetyl group followed by a Fischer esterification with, lets say, ethylbenzoate would suffice, although I have not researched anything in regards to this synthesis before.
And regarding allosteric modulators, like I said, biochem and pharmacology is not my expertise. I understand by looking at certain molecules and their analogues that I can have a somewhat educated guess on their activity based on my knowledge of known physiological compounds. I have studied benzodiazepines quite heavily, including melting points and characterizations of different -R groups based off this paper:
Bottom line is, I would not feel comfortable wandering into unknown territory, such as something Shulgin was famous for. Synthesizing compounds that have never existed to our current knowledge is simply like playing with fire.
Also, pic unrelated. Hottest flame known. Pretty interesting.
Are home test test kits reliable or is going to a doctor and getting bloodwork done the only way?
> I would not feel comfortable wandering into unknown territory
I'm adventurous to an extent, I would certainly be interested in analogues of molecules with known safety profiles and activity. In any case, I would always start a self bioassay in the sub-milligram range. However even then you would be in the danger zone for certain compounds. If I was so inclined to, I would get one of my friends in the medical field there to assist. If everything truly went to shit, they could RSI my ass, stabilize me and get me to an ICU with information on the experiment and the offending molecule/novel toxin. Even then though, the end result could be nerve damage/brain damage. As was the with the case you previously mentioned, but to be fair that was the result of a poor synthesis, there always remains the possibility of doing everything right and still winding up with something poisonous. I have a rudimentary understanding of pharmacology from studying how drugs are metabolized. CYP450 family of enzymes is an incredibly important one to medicine and pharmacology in general. You wouldn't believe the amount of molecules these guys handle. Including hormones.
Man a lot of you guys are knowledge on orgo. Impressive
I’m just a lowly biochemist. Professionally I do a lot of protein structural work, mostly. Ranges from individual protein structure, complexes and polymers (such as cytoskeletal filaments).
I also do a lot of molecular biology, recombinant DNA technology and making transgenes.
Probably most pertinent to you guys though is I do a lot of biomolecule extractions. Pic related was one I was particularly interested in for a while, tromboxane A2, an eicosanoid. Did a lot of mass spectrometry on that guy.
Main thing I am thinking though is I wish I had more synthesis training. Extraction doesn’t get enough love either. Fortunately though I think my next post doc is going to be in a drug design lab so I’ll be getting some good experience there. Wish me luck fellas
Fuck forgot to upload pic
kek, been there.
This is interesting, they introduced a bicyclic moiety here, notice the bridge… I wonder how that effects ligand bonding… ho hummm
Always go with bloodwork my dude. All these test kits for various molecules are iffy. Just my .02
Picture unrelated. Though I've heard they have a particle accelerator.
is this the right thread to discuss Israeli CIA niggers researching racial biowarfare and also Ebola?
Also this anon is the person to ask about anything biochemical. I know some stuff but am nowhere NEAR an expert. >>12528872
I'm just a chemicals guy, I couldn't really speak on Ebola as that would be like a question for a pathologist, I think. I could postulate but it would be pure mental masterbation. I know a thing or two about BioWeapons though, but again not much.
PS: Can anybody think about why they might not want this in a vaccine?
>It all depends on what you want to accomplish. The rabbit hole runs extremely deep. If you could be more specific I could definitely help you out in the quest for more knowledge on the subject.
I would like to know about the biochemistry of anabolic steroids and testosterone. Can you safely use these substances with minimal deleterious side affects?
However I can't help but have some input here. I was very interested in anabolic steroids at one point in time, chiefly I wanted to be a lot more "buff." It was a phase, for me. From what I learned, steroids are not terribly safe. Especially if you are going to be getting them illicitly. Again these are difficult compounds to produce, even for a competent chemist. There's actually an entire market of research steroids if you know where to look. With proper research you'll be able to find them, though be warned there's no data regarding their safety or efficacy in sometimes any known organism; so if you intend to use them on yourself, you're wandering into completely unknown territory… and knowing the endocrine system, that is something I would stay away from. Could they be used with minimal deleterious effects? From what I understand, short term yes. Long term, no. Just look at all these old bodybuilders from the 70's, 80's, they don't look so great and it's not just age.
Also if your goal is to use steroids to become more built/stronger, remember that strength is far from everything in an altercation. It's quite easy to knock somebody out, once you know how to punch. I've also first hand seen a 110lb women who was trained in BJJ obliterate a 200+ pound male; BJJ is very humbling. Also having personally gotten the raw end of an altercation from an amateur boxer, I would say western boxing is also an excellent martial art to learn. Picture very related; I know /pol/ isn't fond of nogs, but this dude to this day can kill you in a single blow. Western Boxing literally the art of punching somebody in the face, it is incredibly effective.
Picture related if you're really serious.
Hey man, if you want to know the truth, extractions and work up are both some of the most useful laboratory skills one can have. To me clandestine chemistry is almost like art, in the sense that you have to work with what you have to paint on the quantum scale. No access to a GC-MS machine or NMR Spectroscopy? Melting point test. Sharper the better. Just make a Thiele tube. Or, I don't know, take an aluminum slab, drill a hole to fit a mercury thermometer on an angle to the center and put it on top of a adjustable heating source. Shit, you can even utilize TLC to calculate Rf values to monitor the reaction progress if you wanted. There's even identification tests to elucidate any functional groups you might have in solution such as:
Nitro groups - red-brown precipitate with ferrous ammonium sulfate (5%). Nitro group is reduced to a primary amine and Fe is oxidized from its (II) oxidative state to (III) 6Fe(OH)2 –→ 6 Fe(OH)3
Cyano group - reflux with NaOH, produces smell of ammonia gas. This is a base hydrolysis. Pic related.
Unsaturation - KMnO4 (causes a purple to brown solution because of the conjugated bonds being reduced. This is an oxidation-reduction reaction. Remember my conjugated bonds and light discussion? Applies once again here).
Aldehydes - Tollens test (silver Nitrate in a 10% NaOH solution) The silver will precipitate as a mirror. Another oxidation reduction reaction. Carbonyl is oxidized and the silver is reduced from Ag+ to Ag and precipitates out. Pic related.
Ketones - Iodoform test (KI in H2O with I2 and NaOH) Causes a yellow precipitate. This is the same reaction that is used to make chloroform from sodium hypochlorite and acetone. This is called the haloform reaction. Pic related.
So I guess my point is there is always a way to work around shit with what you have. Organic chemists all started with jack shit and they discovered the fucking elements so that should tell you something. Also I have no idea how to interpret NMR spectrums, but I never come into contact with them so I don't find it particularly important. The more I have learned, the more I realize I have to learn. But if you ask me, that is a pretty fucking awesome feeling. Long story short, rock on biochemist dude.
I thought they used Thiomersal. Either way, the dose makes the poison. The toxic metabolite of thiomersal, ethylmercury, is removed from the body rather quickly and does not accumulate like mercury or methylmercury does. Top this off with it being in vaccines in incredibly small amounts (~1mcg), only getting the flu shot once a year and it being removed from most vaccines anyways for unsubstantiated claims makes all of these accusations about its toxicity kinda silly. But, once again I'm not specialized in biological mechanisms only organic synthesis, so I could be talking out of my ass.
I just noticed your question as well. I'm definitely here to elaborate on ANY organic synthesis questions, but biochemistry and biological mechanisms are not my forte. The rabbit hole I crawled down involved organic chemistry, the quantum world and how electrons dance around and bond to form molecules - including reaction mechanisms and other fun shit like that. I don't wish to speak about anything I feel like I do not truly understand, so I apologize on that. But as I said, I am more than willing to help in other areas.
Agree, truly the sweet science. Chinks and weeaboos can fuck right off. inb4 some faggot posting Ip Man clips
Above about 36% concentration H2O2 becomes incredibly dangerous. It can also be combined with sulfuric acid to create piranha solution at those concentrations which is incredibly nasty stuff.
probably the easiest to fix, its just stress. Sleep well, meditate, and dont over exhaust yourself. Have good social relationships as well. Dont starve, eat well, have your body get all its dietary needs. Cortisol gets triggered by a bunch of factors. You can even get some SARMS to block it manually. In the short term.
probably the easiest to fix, its just stress. Sleep well, meditate, and dont over exhaust yourself. Have good social relationships as well. Dont starve, eat well, have your body get all its dietary needs. Cortisol gets triggered by a bunch of factors. You can even get some SARMS to block it manually. In the short term.
Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione its called
holy fucking shit, I'm a PhD organometallic chemist, and reading this thread is cringy as fuck. You all sound like you're straight from reddit. Knew this thread was going to be tough from the "I use olefin 'cause i'm oldskool XD ;)" and the rotovap posts at the start. Everyone who isn't some pre-med ochem retard still uses olefin.
Don't bully the chemists please.
Since I really like MO's and shit I'll start with this
>From my understanding antibonding orbitals are simply out of phase bonding orbitals. When two electrons come together to form a bond, their shared orbital are either 'in-phase' (bonding) or 'out-of-phase' (antibonding). When they are out-of-phase they are higher in energy than if they weren't bonding at all.
This is basically correct. The first thing you need to understand is that none of this is real. As in orbitals and all that shit aren't actually real, but we've come up with a bunch of fancy math and models to give us a description that matches our observations to a pretty good approximation. Secondly, all those orbitals you learned about are derived from the solutions to the wavefunction describing the hydrogen atom. The second you move on to helium and the heavier elements everything breaks down because those wavefunctions aren't solvable. so we treat everything as if it is behaving like the hydrogen atom, and for the most part it works pretty well.
So onto bonding and anti-bonding orbitals. As I said above, all orbitals come from the solutions to the 1e- Schrod. Eqn. or whatever. They are basically distributions of the probability of finding an electron of that energy at that location in space. As you also said, they have a certain "phase" as well as a certain symmetry to them. For a bond to form, you have to first have the appropriate symmetry. If the symmetry isn't correct, then bonding interactions will not occur. (If you want to talk about molecular symmetry, I can elaborate but that gets real complicated real quick.) They also then have to have the correct phase. In phase leads to a bonding interaction, out of phase leads to anti-bonding. As you also said, yes, bonding orbitals are lower in energy than anti-bonding. but why? in simple terms, you're increasing the "space" the electrons can live in. A bonding orbital spreads out the probability distribution for an electron between two or more nuclei which also lowers the energy. Another way to think about it is kind of like gas pressures. When you compress a gas into a small space, it's "high energy" and you run the risk of an explosion caused by pressure, if you put that same amount of gas into a larger space, you reduce the energy and reduce the risk of an explosion.
I've explained earlier in the thread that I'm self taught.
Me and you probably could have some interesting discussions if you acted a little more humble with your knowledge. I'm aware that electrons are waves of probability and they are never 100% at a certain point in time and space until you collapse their wavefunction and observe them. I also understand that the Schrodinder equation is essentially used to find the wavefunction of an object. The wavefunction represents all that can possibly be known about the physical state of an object. It is the quantum mechanical version of the notion of energy conformation. And yes, I'm aware this is not based in physical reality. The Thompson model, Bohr model, how emission spectrums work, why electrons don't fall into the nucleus… These are all things I've delved into in detail. So swallow your pride and let's have a discussion.
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>let's have a discussion
what do you want to know? I don't do much total synthetic work, mostly small molecules so my knowledge of really high level organic is limited. I don't usually worry about things like stereocenters, which can be extremely important depending on the use of the molecule, see thalidomide. I do have very advanced lab technique since I work with extremely sensitive reagents/pyrophorics. Also have access to journals and whatnot, so if you want literature on a certain subject I can probably locate some PDFs
>clandestine chemistry is almost like art
I would argue it is one of the purest artforms that one could ever engage in. It is Alchemy. Thank you for all that excellent information in your post, do know where to find any other identification tests? jw
I may know a bit more about drug metabolism and pharmacodynamics than you do. From my understanding of the subject, a lipophilic mercury metabolite will be produced in vivo. I actually had a conversation with a talking head and they said that there is no more mercury in any given vaccine than in a can of tuna. However the question then is this; do you feed tuna to young children? The answer is of course, no. Why? Heavy metals. There's something to the Anti Vaccine movement. However that being said, I would still vaccinate my offspring.
On the real, amazing skill to have. Your hands are always going to move faster than any other part of the body. It is very easy to knock to somebody out. Having been knocked out and having knocked people out, I can safely say that all most that weeb martial arts crap is largely useless. "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Yes at that concentration it is prone to forming highly unstable peroxide bonds with all kinds of things. These compounds that are formed are typically touch sensitive explosives, if I recall correctly.
>pre-med ochem retard
>Looks at use over time
Thank you for deciding to actually participate. This is not an intellectual dick measuring contest, everybody should be here to learn something. Further your explanation of chemical bonding is excellent, however… do you think we will be able to derive the wavefunctions for heavier elements? Also, what is your opinion on blassified elemephants (≖ ʖ≖)
I don't think it is a question of what I want to know, it's a question of what do we want to bounce off each other. I'm not OP, but Ive also explained earlier in the thread that I am heavily versed in clandestine organic synthesis including MO theory. I've studied the separation of two enantiomers utilizing derived pure enatiomerically alcohol menthol. By separating them into two diastereoisomers, the differences in melting points or other constants are great enough to separate. The (R)- and (S)- enantiomer discussion of Thalidomide is a standard in organic chemistry and I've been aware of it for a while.
But my 'work' is purely synthetic from an outside observer point of view. I don't have access to any fancy equipment or other like minded individuals to bounce ideas off of. It is always nice to run into a PhD in the wild in chemistry because they are a rare breed.
olefin is still used commonly in speech, rolls of the tongue easier, and can be used more generally whereas alkene may not. When talking through reaction mechanisms and whatnot olefin is still preferred by most chemists, something that may not be reflected in the literature.
>do you think we will be able to derive the wavefunctions for heavier elements?
No, unless a new way of doing math is found. The solutions to the 1 e- wavefunction are found through the use of differential equations. Once you add in a second electron, you get what is commonly referred to as the n-body problem. However, with the advent of computers and other computational methods, we can approximate the solutions to these problems. So in a way, we already have? they just aren't exact solutions. We also have the ability to find out what entire molecular orbitals look like using powerful computers and modelling software which is pretty neat.
and for that last bit, not really sure what you're talking about. I'm not a nuclear chemist so the nitty gritty of that goes over my head pretty quickly, but from what i've learned in past classes, when you do the math, it becomes pretty apparent that really heavy elements simply can't exist with our current level of technology.
Ah, I see. I'm lucky in that I work in an academic lab so I have access to pretty much whatever, but have always kind of thought about how I would make some stuff at home. Even just getting glassware seems tricky. And after looking around at certain stores and things, It's pretty interesting what you can just walk in and buy off the shelves if you know what to look for.
Piranha solution is not as bad as one would think. I've dripped it on my finger and it just caused a tiny white blister that didn't hurt and went away in a few days. The major problem comes about in its oxidizing power. Mixed with any solution of easily oxidizable compounds and you could probably expect an explosion of some kind. Much like if you dropped in a cotton ball (cellulose) and it would almost immediately carbonize much like the sulfuric acid and sugar reaction. (dehydrates to pure carbon). But in the end, explosions are simply fast, run-away normal reactions. It is all about controlling the reaction conditions. Temperature, pH, molarity, time…etc. These are all things to factor in when approaching something.
It's pretty nasty stuff, I have to use that and aqua regia to clean my glassware almost daily and have seen it do some damage if you aren't careful. RIP several lab coats and pairs of jeans. But yea, if you pay attention and are careful, it really isn't that bad.
So my PhD dude, what small molecules do you usually deal with? Or what genre do they reside in? What common reactions do you utilize in your synthesis? Remember, I do not have access to any fancy equipment, so keep that in mind. Organometallic reactions are quite interesting as they are also not my forte, but I do utilize metallic catalysts at times, Copper(II) chloride, Palladium(II) chloride, anhydrous iron(III) chloride…etc. I'd love to hear a summary of your research.
that's only half the story, here is the other half
''Pitocin, a registered trademark of JHP Pharmaceuticals, is a synthetic form of oxytocin, the natural hormone that stimulates the onset of labor, promotes a sense of well-being, and enhances maternal bonding. Pitocin is given to women to induce or augment labor. It is manufactured from the pituitary extract of various animals, combined with acetic acid for pH adjustment and less than 1 percent chloretone as a preservative.
The routine use of Pitocin is not backed by any scientific data, and the side effects of its use during labor (and sometimes during the third stage of labor to assist the expulsion of the placenta) rarely are discussed with the laboring woman. Regardless of how many labors are induced with Pitocin, most of them are not medically necessary.
During the 1980s, Dr. Roberto Caldreyo-Barcia, former president of the International Federation of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and a renowned researcher into the effects of obstetrical interventions, declared that “Pitocin is the most abused drug in the world today.” He claimed its use was medically necessary in only about 3 percent of labors, yet estimates of its use range from 12 to 60 percent. Often, the drug is administered without the woman’s knowledge and she never is told of its potential harmful risk factors.''
Effects of synthetic oxytocin on child birth and mother-child bonding:
autism and synthetic oxytocin:
oxytocin and in-group favoritism:
Mos def, running into a PhD in the wild is pretty nuts.
Also I thought that even properly resolved thalidomide isomerized … Ahh it racemizes. Interesting what one little hydrogen can do.
Hmm, as I am entirely self taught as well. All the literature (that was current) I have read they've used alkene. I thought olefin was more restricted to the petrochemical industry. Good to know, helps one fit in. Elements are interesting.
Have you seen this video? youtube.com/watch?v=XeVZQoJ5FdE
I certainly wouldn't do this with anything caustic that was significantly hot though, obviously. I also I would definitely be interested in looking at the reaction mechanisms of metal catalysts. I hope PhD anon can help.
I'd rather not be too specific since it's a small field and I could be identified If i revealed too much.
But generally, I mostly design ligands that contain heterocycles and phosphines for making transition metal complexes that could be used for materials applications, like single molecule magnetics or spintronics.
And yea, I use lots of cross coupling reactions (suzuki, sonogashira, stille, etc.), gringards, reductions (hydrogenations, birch, Raney Ni), transmetallations, basic condensation and other simple nucleophilic/electrophilic type of reactions.
for a starter to organometallic reactions, understanding oxidative addition and reductive elimination as well as electron counting will be a good introduction.
I haven't seen that particular video, but I am aware of Nile Red. He has some good stuff on there. My favorite chemistry channel got kicked off jewtube and is on bitchute now. On the topic of metallic inorganic catalysts (remember they are not organometallic) the mechanisms can be quite complex. I obsessed over reaction mechanisms early on in my research as they were my form of Sudoku, but even these get to be a little complicated when you toss in compounds that aren't consumed in the reaction. It adds another level of difficulty. But if well versed enough in electron pushing one can deduce the basics of how everything works.
>for a starter to organometallic reactions, understanding oxidative addition and reductive elimination as well as electron counting will be a good introduction.
Could you recommend a good book on the subject? I always buy myself interesting Christmas presents. :P
>chemistry on bitchute
Very cool, I actually have reason to poke around on bitchute now.
Nice, now we are getting somewhere. Cross coupling reactions aside (never used them), how are the Grignard reaction and Birch reduction performed in a well equipped lab? I'd really like an elaboration on your process before I move on to other practical laboratory skills.
Wilkinson's "Comprehensive Organometallic Chemistry" (1982) is a good starter, its dense AF but if you know the basics its good. A strong understanding of inorganic chemistry would also be useful, for this I recommend miessler & tarr "Inorganic chemistry" (4th ed or earlier, 5th ed is bullshit).
>how are the Grignard reaction and Birch reduction performed in a well equipped lab?
So Grignards are always tricky and never work as well as they should. Ideally they are done under a N2 or Ar atmosphere and you are using very dry ethereal solvents (ether, THF, dioxane, glyme, etc. dried over Na/benzophenone or activated 4A mol seives then distilled). It's almost impossible to get pristine Mg turnings, so you should activate the Mg by throwing in a few iodine crystals with it to help reduce the oxide layer off. Temperature control is always very important and if you let it get away from you, obviously you can fuck up the reaction no matter how well equipped you are.
Birch reductions are annoying and I try to avoid them. But basically you have an ammonia cylinder that you connect to your reaction apparatus (which is equipped with a type of condenser that is used specifically for condensing gasses, see pic related) and you condense liquid ammonia onto your alkali metal and substrate mixture. It's pretty straightforward actually.
The real fun is when you make things like P(TMS)3 that use Na/K amalgam. basically unicorn blood that shoots fire out of your flask.
Nice. I have both 3A and 4A molecular sieves, and they are both very handy. I've used the iodine trick to get things started, but I've mentioned this much earlier in the thread. I've noticed you don't need a completely inert atmosphere, as long as before adding the reactants you blowtorch your glass to get rid of residual moisture and quickly attach the drying tube - though your yields are obviously affected due to all of this. Knowing the mechanism and how a Grignard works helps to know why having acidic protons like on water are a big no no (just as aprotic solvent like THF or ether is needed).
For magnesium turnings, I just bought a block of pure Magnesium and use a drill to obtain fresh shavings. Prehistoric, but fuck, it works. Washing and drying obviously helps. But good stuff. Thanks.
>attach the drying tube
So I understand why you'd want to use a drying tube, a full cylinder of N2 could be hard to get. Unfortunately drying tubes rapidly lose their effectiveness, so you might want to repack it with fresh desiccant every time to help improve your yields.
>on the subject of tear gas France and pic related
How would one go about creating the chemical solution to counteract tear gas, specifically CS gas but other types of tear gas information would be greatly useful.
Here are source websites for some of the proprietary information:
From what is known it is a amphoteric salt solution giving it the reactionary properties needed to function as neutralizing agent for either acidic or basic solutions although the concentration is not known. It is labeled for use in both skin and eyes and could be of great use for populace to defend against chemical weapons such as those being deployed in Paris.
No idea, but its most likely some phosphate buffer solution with a quaternary aliphatic ammonium salt, like CTAB or something.
that also has half of a TCNE in it (tetracyanoethylene), which is a good electron acceptor. So any decent reductant could cause it to form a radical which would then decompose. The wiki for TCNE gives the example of an iodide anion doing the reduction, so maybe a sodium iodide solution could do be effective?
Pictures i found
I can't access this book. I found a TCNE picture and some listed reducants. This was a free listed journal to my best query:
UK information would be the most useful to figure out the reductant as CS gas was developed in the UK in secret during 1950-1960.
>so much for bans on gas and chemical warfare
Ha! I was actually looking through that redox agents paper the other day for something. Unfortunately all the agents described are not suitable for the application of neutralizing CS gas. Again, a solution of potassium iodide in a phosphate buffer with some phase transfer reagents (CTAB or [CTA+][I-] or similar) might be what you're looking for.
Ahhh I love older books. I taught myself Calculus from Richard Courants series on the Calculus. Really great stuff, if you're into Mathematics at all, buying all 4 volumes yields enough mathematics to understand just about whatever life can throw at you. Best 120 to 160 I have spent on math books, by far. Even just going through the first 5 or so chapters of each will give you a really solid mathematical sense.
What is that piece of glassware called? Also you seem to be dealing with some pretty hazardous stuff. Got any stories to convey wisdom? I can imagine NaK being massively problematic should issues occur. Also N2 is actually fairly easy to acquire as it is a welding supply. Same for He and Ar. This probably of interest to anybody chemically inclined here. Be warned, I would call this more of a physics project. Still totally worth a try though. http://homemadeliquidnitrogen.com/
I don't know of anything that's terribly friendly to biological material that also reduces nitriles. As is the case with all chemical agents, one should look at avoiding contact with the material in the first place. I know it's obvious but it's fair easier to come prepared for trouble (i.e. bring a gas mask) than it is to treat trouble. Sidenote: pretty sure this chemical is flammable.
I'm assuming you are asking about the cold trap. It is a specialized condenser that is usually filled with dry ice and acetone. Nitrogen might be easy to acquire, lets say at a welding supply shop, but in my experience it's simply not needed. Helium would escape too easily and argon would be too expensive on a regular basis. At least for the clandestine chemist. Factor this in when discussing organic synthesis.
Nitriles are also easily reduced in acidic or basic conditions. This is an extremely common synthesis, and involves the oxygen on water attacking the carbon due to the electron withdrawing effects of the nitrogen.
I mean, I knew that… I just thought for sure it would have some other kind of name. No idea why, lol. As for the inert gas being not needed, really? Could you provide an example of a rxn that called for an inert atmosphere and you were like "eh, fuck it" (amiright?) and things turned out just dandy? That's pretty flippin interesting mangutan. Oh and regarding the reduction of nitriles, that looks like it will be quite helpful for treating CS irritation. I literally searched "reduction of nitriles" and saw nothing about what you just posted, which is rather concerning. Thank you!
Also what is your experience sourcing glassware? So much of it seems to be made in China now and reeeeeaaaally fucking do not like the Chinese, so I try my very best not to give them any money. I was almost critically maimed by a blow-torch made in China; 3rd degree burns all over my hand, inhaled part of the explosion, almost died. Just so other anons know, PYREX is no longer PYREX it's Pyrex, why do I point this out? Prior to moving manufacturing to China PYREX brand glassware was borosilicate glass, now it is all soda-lime glass making it utterly inadequate for any type of heating. All that being said, I have seen some fellow /chem/fags using a glassware from a select few chinese companies. What are your thoughts?
>What is that piece of glassware called?
it's simply called a dewar type condenser.
>Got any stories to convey wisdom
Honestly the biggest things to remember are to take your time, try to be neat/clean-up as you go, and don't do things when you're tired or distracted.
I have done some dumb stuff before, probably the scariest was when I was helping a younger student do a synthesis that used NaK in a fairly large quantity.
>We had taken the flask out of the glovebox and were about to connect it to the Shlenck line to add solvent. We were using a teflon stir bar which was already kind of dicey (NaK can attack teflon). The stir plate we were going to use still had the stirrer running and I had forgotten to check that to make sure it was off.
>I moved the flask over the stir plate
>the teflon bar starts to spin
>friction causes the NaK to heat up and rapidly attacks the stir bar
>the whole thing starts sparking in my hand
>drop the flask and flames start to shoot out through a crack in the flask from dropping it
>slam the sash down and pull the other student over to the side
>watch as glorious fire rages in my hood for a few seconds.
Luckily nothing else caught fire except for some tygon and other plastic shit melting. Needless to say, we made sure to not repeat that mistake.
My lab has had several fires due to alkali metals (mostly Rb and Cs) being mishandled or quenchings going wrong. One lab member also works with H2S fairly often and that tends to put everyone on edge.
I can say with personal experience that Laboy glass is fucking solid and the company is half bad to deal with for being located in china. It isn't Schott-Duran, but it is some nice bang for your buck glassware. But on the topic of inert atmospheric reactions, you just need to look at the literature, understand the mechanism and conclude if not only is it possible, but are the loss in yields worth it. Once again, the grignard rxn is a perfect example if this.
>PYREX brand glassware was borosilicate glass, now it is all soda-lime glass making it utterly inadequate for any type of heating.
shit, this is good to know, we always buy from ChemGlass but I realize that isn't an option for most.
I own a number of chemglass pieces and they are actually easier to acquire than you would think. Solid glass. Also, ebay is your friend.
Oh and before I forget, I highly recommend this to anons legitimately interested in starting this journey. The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual: A Student's Guide to Techniques by W. Zubrick. Very helpful.
Your problem brings back horrifying memories of a fire that started when I was distilling acetone that had a product in it. At any rate, I placed a beaker (half) full of acetone and product on a heating apparatus, it was supposed to be very gentle heat but I did not have good equipment (CHINA #1!) and was not attentive. This resulted in the apparatus being at the wrong temperature to begin with and since it was incredibly shitty, a hot spot developed. The acetone bumped, then promptly ignited sending er… hazardous fumes into the immediate environment. My partner froze in terror, I put my hand over the beaker to extinguish the flame and immediately took it off heat. Almost had a very nasty fire in a very confined space. I learned that day that in intensely dangerous situations, I'm the person that will jump on the grenade, for better or for worse. I've since become MUCH more careful and let's just say I don't cheap out on essentials.
Knew about these guys, good stuff. I also know some sources where /chem/fags swap glass. Pretty cool but I am always very careful. Ebay is fantastic.
>At any rate, I placed a beaker (half) full of acetone and product on a heating apparatus, it was supposed to be very gentle heat but I did not have good equipment (CHINA #1!) and was not attentive.
do you happen to use an oil bath or sand bath? or do you use a heating mantle?
Now I use a sand bath, but to be honest I use dH2O a whole lot to control boiling. Basically all of the solvents I work with regularly boil off before 100C. pussy shit I know, but I'm quite good at what I do.
Look, I made a Serotonin Norepinephrine Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor AND an pretty nice Opioid (bind to Mu, Kappa and Delta) in high doses.
And I patented THE SHIT both, I called one Effexor as an antidepressive for clinical depression and the other Tramadol, a "Central action medication for pain relief" (?). Now I'm rich.
The funny thing is that the opioid is way more potent than Codeine in high doses taken with just 5mg of Diazepam to prevent seizures from Serotonin Syndrome, and the antidepressive is cheaper to make but I have the sell it more expensive because of my fellows competitors. It's though being a Jew Chemist.
t. The Jew Chemist
Me: the lowlife addict
I'd recommend an oil bath for temps below 140C over using water. Oil tends to maintain temperatures better and also the low vapor pressure doesn't create vapor that could find its way into your reaction, unlike water. Sand baths are really best for temps above 140C. One down side is oil can be a pain in the ass if you spill it.
That is really interesting actually. I had no idea that Tramadol and Effexor were so similar. However once one becomes well versed in identifying organic structures, you can see quite clearly that there's some devious trickery afoot when it comes to certain pharmaceuticals. These people have to know what they are doing… at some level. I don't know how you could go through all of this education and not notice the sometimes very obvious patterns that can be recognized. Such as the halogenation of certain substituted amphetamines resulting in extremely potent quasi-legal drugs.
Unfortunately cleaning such a mess consumes a lot of useful solvent. ;)
Also, pictured is a serious POP and EDC. Though it is no longer in use.
Wow. This is one of the biggest redpill I have taken. If this is true… shit, the most accurate book to read before I go to sleep will be fucking Brave New World which I honestly disliked.
But really, wow, I don't even know if I should spread this, because even if I try to redpill people, they:
A) Will not believe it
B) Won't understand it
OMFG why I got into chemicals in the first place, I want my innocence back
How do you even turn 37mm flares into grenades?
FBI/CIA/ATF pls go, I need my chem education.
>Just so other anons know, PYREX is no longer PYREX it's Pyrex, why do I point this out? Prior to moving manufacturing to China PYREX brand glassware was borosilicate glass, now it is all soda-lime glass making it utterly inadequate for any type of heating.
Cant comment on lab glass but French market PYREX (not pyrex) is still borosilicate not soda-lime, soda-lime glass has a blue-green tint, borosilicate is clear. You can get the french stuff off amazon or other vendors and it isnt substantially more expensive.
Actually now that I am re-researching this, I think this may be restricted to the US. Very cool. The French do take gustation quite seriously, so I expect they would take pride in their cookware.
Go reverse engineer a 37mm firework you dumb nigger.
The toxicological and environmental effects of cyanide would have been well documented by then, unlike nerve gases which were unheard of a decade before. Cyanide does not bio-accumulate, has known antidotes for acute toxicity, is harmless at low levels, occurs naturally almost everywhere and is quite cheap. It should also decompose into harmless CO2, H2O and N2 when burnt in the presence of organic matter too. The eggheads knew how toxic the corpse smoke would be and how hot the ovens needed to be and there was no risk of polluting or shoah-ing the surrounding environment with cyanide combustion products, and if any guard got poisoned then they had means to treat him.
You would have to be fucking retarded to think that it is acceptable to instead use up the Reich's expensive-ass chemical weapons that no cure exists for and for all you know would pump carcinogenic and neurotoxic products into the air when you burnt the corpses just because "HURRRRRR MORE TOXIC!!!!1!".
Also, more toxic and quickest effect are not the same thing. Cyanide is less toxic than amatoxins, but cyanide kills you within minutes from asphyxiation whilst a death cap will take a week to kill you via multiple organ failure.
Nothing really interesting there anon, though I'll keep a tab pinned in case someone posts something interesting.
Why we don't make a Discord server (I know, it's a botnet, IRC is better, etc. etc.), because anyway, we can't and shouldn't discuss analogs that are not allowed under our laws?
How powerful is Fluroantimonic acid, exactly? Can there be a way to reliably mass manufacture FOOF?
I like to use water as a heating bath if I know that I do not need temperatures above ~100 degrees Celsius, simply because of the non-flammability, lack of smell and non-toxicity. For higher boiling points I've tried many different oil baths, paraffins and the like, but my go to is DOT 5 brake fluid (or simply pure silicone oil with a higher centistoke - though this is more expensive). Because it is silicone based, it has an incredibly high boiling point, does not smell when heated, low flammability and has a considerably more stable viscosity index over a wider temperature range. And it is easily reusable. I just let it cool and pour it back into the container for later use.
Is there any special brand of oil you use in your lab for oil baths? I have yet to find a better alternative than the silicone oil, due to its price and everything else I explained above.
Thanks I guess, I was waiting for nighttime to bump this thread..
Enjoying the knowledge?
Sorry for the late replies folks, I've been shuttling around a friend whose grandfather just died so I have been afk, stuck in traffic.
>You would have to be fucking retarded to think that it is acceptable to instead use up the Reich's expensive-ass chemical weapons that no cure exists for and for all you know would pump carcinogenic and neurotoxic products into the air when you burnt the corpses just because "HURRRRRR MORE TOXIC!!!!1!".
You really don't know what you are talking about, which leads me to conclude that you are a moronic shill. Let's dissect your idiocy, for the hell of it.
>toxicological and environmental effects of cyanide would have been well documented by then
Nope. Environmental science pretty much ``did not exist,`` nobody was looking into this stuff back then, also they didn't have the technology to do this research either.
>ovens … shoah-ing the surrounding environment with cyanide combustion products
You know why that is… right? Because the temperatures required to completely burn a body are more than adequate to destroy all kinds of complex molecules. Like nerve agents. Nothing terribly complex survives pyrolysis.
>You would have to be fucking retarded
To author your post? I agree.
Oh, I thought I'd also ask. I know GL 45 is like a standard in laboratory bottles, but have you ever used Duran's PBT caps with teflon linings? These things are the fucking shit. Expensive as hell, but cream of the crop for storage purposes. Chemglass sells them as well for cheaper.
Your writing style seems like an old friend, you wouldn't happen to know a man with a reactor, would you?
DOT 5 eh? That's an awesome tip, thank you fam!
Don't worry, I've just been a little distracted with this thread and having to get my friend to a Wake and a Funeral. I'll have this thread archived and posted there as having helpful/interesting information in it, in addition to other resources. I have a lot of resources actually… I am just slightly conflicted putting them out in the open. I know for a fact some people would be rather upset.
Interesting… … I thought you were being naughty for a moment and I was about to scold you. Silly me :P Also, having a hard time articulating this compound, it's not mAPM I know that much. However plugging it into web-pages that allow you to draw a molecule yields something interesting. They keep rearranging the terminal methyl group with the amine, then methylating the resulting amine terminus. Weird, they keep turning this into mAPM and it's not. Technically It is a rearrangement of a PEA though.
Indeed I do. :) Not many people are capable of having this type of discussion, I would not be surprised if they were lurking about.
Anon, how would you feel about contributing this knowledge into a book?
Having detailed instructions on how to create basic compounds associated with survival (anti biotics for example) would be extremely useful.
I've been considering putting my expertise into the same use for the field of electrical engineering, but I need to set up some designs first.
Keep this thread alive and I'll keep my end of the promise.
If you are referring to my first picture, it is the proposed mechanism of the racemic hydroiodic acid reduction of ephedrine into methamphetamine. It employs the concept of Le Chatelier's principle.
By the way, are any anons that are simply observers enjoying this thread? Or is it just noise in the background? Curious to know, because I am more than happy to continue to educate.
To add onto this, I think a discord or IRC server is a good idea. I would love to discuss this stuff with you guys.
I'll create a burner email later and try to get in contact with you guys.
Once again, I'm not OP, but everything I know already exists in easily found books. Although the knowledge found in these books can apply to, well, other things not found in the books. Like I explained much earlier in the thread, it's about knowing, not doing. The theory of organic chemistry synthesis applies universally. Know what else is nice? No SJW, soy boy, cuck or alt-left faggot can fuck with my understanding of the organic quantum world and understanding of dancing electron mechanisms and practical experimentation. Knowledge of the hard sciences are untouchable in my mind.
Oh, funny story as well. Early on in my thirst for knowledge, I was attempting the haloform reaction with calcium hypochlorite and methyl ethyl ketone. My hypothesis was since MEK only had one terminal carbon instead of two like on acetone, I assumed the reaction would proceed slower. I was an idiot and attached a keck clip to the top of the condenser. Long story short, once the reaction started, it proceeded exponentially faster than I had expected. The pressure snapped the keck clip in half and blew the glass stopper off along with a large cloud of chloroform gas. I don't know about anyone else, but that shit does not work like in the movies. I felt nauseated and had diarrhea for 2 days. Hey, you don't learn if you never make mistakes. Lesson learned.
Observing, and impressed that such an intelligent discussion with so many bright people hasn't been modded out of existence. 85% of what you're discussing is beyond my chemical knowledge (basic high school / first year college intro to), but I'm reading along and trying to learn something. I'm a firm believer that nothing is beyond the reach of any intelligent aryan person who takes the time to apply themselves.
Hell yeah man. I agree 100%. Put it this way, I've never taken an organic chemistry class in my life. Doesn't matter, I'd never want to be a lab bitch anyways (no offence to any formally educated chemists out there). If you want to learn something bad enough and have the motivation to do so, anything is possible. The knowledge is out there, just find it, read it and absorb it. Personally I believe that when hobbies are turned into careers, it tends to lose something. I don't know what that something is, but it's how I feel. And maybe it's just me, but I like to keep my hobbies and career separate. It's more fun that way.
All the CIAniggers in here promoting their jewish drugs should be banned. Pic related is supplemental nanodiamonds, which you can buy from Russia for a low price.
This sums up OP to a T.
>I don't know of any legal use of distillation equipment.
Essential oil production, you fucking nigger. You can also make killer bbq sauce in them.
Had trouble identifying that until I accounted for the sigma bonds, lol wow spatial reasoning much?
> If you want to learn something bad enough ..
This is so very true, throughout my life I have been gripped by passions. The first was technology, computersm, phone systems. I learned pretty much everything somebody would like to know about them. Even attempted programming a compiler for x86. I burnt myself out, hacking computers was interesting but I always found chemistry far more intriguing. I took a chemistry course in high school, I found it rather lacking but then again I found the entirety of the HS curriculum to be lacking. Any way… I picked up General Chemistry by Pauling and loved it. There were parts that I didn't understand completely but I learned a lot. As I got I older I became more and more interested and actually endeavored to take study of the subject seriously. As I did that, I learned a lot about how the world works. It has given me profound insight in certain areas. I also have never stepped foot on a college campus or in an orgo class. At this point in my life, I am not really sure that I could attend a college… especially with the ridiculous culture war going on at the moment. I just don't have the right temperament to deal with that bullshit. Not at all. I've lived way to much of life to be lectured at in any capacity except when I explicitly ask for it and if I am asking you for help, I mean it. I don't fucking know everything, nobody does. However I am clever enough to say this; I have never found a subject that if I didn't put my mind to, I couldn't understand… and that means actual study of a subject. If you're in so deep that you have nights where you can't sleep because you don't understand a reaction mechanism or can't quite put your finger on a certain moiety or why pH is affecting/effecting a certain reaction or how to introduce chirality into a given product… for me it's been so many things, if this is what's happening to you, I think you are on the right track. Long story story; if you are of sufficient intelligence and you are sufficiently motivated just about anything is within your reach. People have built their own quantum microscopes. In my opinion there is little that the human mind cannot accomplish with the correct resources and adequate endurance.
Complains of FEDNiggers, posts dangerous brominated stimulant. Also what are you talking about? Of course I know there are perfectly legal uses for distillation equipment. However possession of that equipment may be illegal depending on your locality, that's a fact. As for essential oil production. It all depends on the essential oil Mr. Smarty-Pants. I can think of one oil that would most definitely be problematic if you were found in possession of. I wonder what it could be? ''S. albidum?
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Yeah I would rather NOT deal with a cloud of CHCl3. It's funny when you are doing things like this all on your own, you learn stuff about chemicals that you wouldn't necessarily other wise and I don't necessarily think that is good for our collective health, just being honest. I was cleaning glassware and defatted my hands, that was years ago.
>dopaminergic nanodiamonds = stimulants
>brominated compounds are inherently dangerous
>An introduction to the topic is an endorsement of consumption
>Because one illegal thing can be done with your equipment, you are in lethal peril. This doesn't completely disregard the original point.
>trying too hard to show off introductory knowledge
>not at all interested in diamondoid compounds
You don't belong here. You don't even know the superior essential oils to distill, or any reason to distill them.
P E R V I T I N
wtf is this supposed to do?
work in a fume hood.
I doubt that structure exists anon
silicone oil is fucking expensive and can be overheated and burn and it's THE WORST to clean up when you inevitably spill it but it's quite controllable and you get a very constant temperature. for higher temps use sand bath / mantle heater with a variac or temperature controller.
horomones and pharmaceuticals control everything
chemicals is the most based and redpilled of any political sector
Diamondoid compounds are reputed to improve your general health in any number of ways. They even are used as antivirals.
I could be wrong, but I found para-brominated phenyl groups to be neurotoxic. At least in amphetamine analogues. Also you're contributing absolutely nothing to the thread with your post. I'd love to learn about diamondoid compounds but probably not from an asshole like you. Further, regarding essential oils, buddy I know more about that than I care to divulge.
Jenkamine TCB-2 picture related.
banjos play vigorously
>You're mean to me, on /pol/! You must be stupid for calling me out on my shit!
>Adamantane groups are part of amphetamine molecules. Also, what's a phenylpropanoid?
>You're contributing nothing by contributing information because you're mean and punishing bad behavior!
>Also, I totally make MDA from sassafras trees! I'm super legit!
kys faggot. No one cares about your deluded fantasies and your hurt feelings. You don't even know beyond the most introductory safrole source, and then swear you are super smart because of it. You probably just got that information from wikijew.
>But what are the ten essential amphetamines
Read PIHKAL and TIHKAL, even the story time parts where he reveals he belongs to the "Owl Club" Bohemian Grove and that he is a huge drug addict. The drug reviews in the book are Bohemian Grove members.
"The Bohemian Grove, that I attend from time to time—the Easterners and the others come there—but it is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, that San Francisco crowd that goes in there; it's just terrible! I mean I won't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco"
– Based Nixon did nothing wrong
The moiety that you probably take issue with (all that steric strain) is called benzocyclobutene.
>Adamantane groups are part of amphetamine molecules
I never said that. Hell I even said I could be wrong because I am unsure of the pharmacology of the specific compound. The question is around the given moiety, which you seem to be conveniently ignoring or you just don't understand. You're not punishing anybody, your just being a loud unruly nigger when nobody asked you to be. Also nobody makes MDA/MDMA from Sassy oil anymore and I wasn't talking about sassafras trees either. I'm bright enough and informed enough to know that. As for Shulgin's participation in Bohemian Grove that doesn't floor me. I had a relative who went to the Grove, they were a General… that's all I can say. You'd be astonished who drug chemists have hobnobbed with. Fascinating demographic.
Anyway, look either contribute in a positive fashion or fuck off because then you're no better than a (((nigger)))
My personal experience? Bromotane is garbage. And Admantane reminds me of the analogue Memantine, which is not only used for Alzheimer's, but is also an NMDA antagonist. Kinda neat.
DOT 5 brake fluid is expensive? huh? And you can even get pure dimethicone liquid on amazon for cheap as well. Completely reusable. Just let cool and pour back into the container. I've never had any issues with it, especially if someone is not willing to drop the cash on a heating mantle. But, yes, a heating mantle is ideal. Combining it with a hot plate/magnetic stirrer and you're golden. My favorite is the Corning PC-420D with the external temperature controller. Expensive? Yes. But if you are lucky there are auction sites for this sort of thing.
On the topic of toxicity, I would look into Oxidopamine. It is actually substituents on the ortho position that renders phenethylamines toxic. This is also a possible metabolite of MDMA/MDA if I remember correctly, although this paper suggests otherwise:
I will have to dig deeper on this.
Remember what I said earlier in the thread anon. Molecular orbitals like to be lower in energy. They like to chill. Lets chill and supply knowledge. Not argue.
>mfw when I am literally saving money to purchase just that
>mfw we have some of the same books
I think we could be very good friends dude
Trying my best lol, I just hate bullshit when I am trying to be genuine. Also could it be both p-o? I am pretty sure p-Bromo amp is neurotoxic. IIRC there were reports of brain damage.
Supposedly para halide substituents are toxic for amphetamine related structures in that they delete serotgenic neurons, much like Oxidopamine depletes dopaminergic neurons.
Just noticed this comment. But did you know anytime you spill bleach on your hand and it feels slippery? You're defatting your hand. That is saponification in action. Bleach contains sodium hydroxide as a stabilizer, which when it comes into contact with the oils on your skin it causes a base hydrolysis mechanism. Just like when you are making soap.
That is what I thought.
>Just like when you are making soap.
:D Never walked through it like that before… you kind a making soap.
>a mixture of peptides purified from pig brains
No thanks I don't wanna turn into a police officer :P
I'm not sure how this contributes, but I have a bunch of pages from an ancient pharmascist's enclyclopedia on how to make stuff like surgical painkillers and stuff like patent medicines.
Historically interesting but I'll be sticking to more modern medicines for sure. It's interesting that it mentions Chloral Hydrate though.
I will have to read through these. Thanks anon. I own both the 3rd and 5th edition of Vogel, which is the bible of organic synthesis. The 3rd edition has material like this. Older chemistry books always have juicier information that are usually excluded from newer editions for stupid and obvious reasons.
Chlorohydrate is actually a difficult synthesis. More difficult than it looks on the surface. Although chlorobutanol renders the same metabolite - chloroethanol. I found a written synthesis from one of my old notebooks reacting chloroform with acetone and I guess my yield was 66.5% (calculated from chloroform). It's been so long I don't even know if that is good or not. But the synthesis itself is rather easy in comparison to other compounds.
I have had several different IDs throughout this thread. I love this.
The caps are from this link: https://archive.org/stream/Granddads_Wonderful_Book_of_Chemistry_Kurt_Saxon#page/n220/mode/2up
I just saved the actual pages. That actual book, is also a medical student's glossary and to begin with, a dictionary that translates Old style chemical names to modern english names. Its fascinating, the formulary on 221 even has recipes (called Receipts) that use opium and pure alcohol, its that old.
Thanks again anon. This book is new to me and honestly, the older the better. Older organic chemistry books don't utilize all that expensive new fancy equipment found in university labs these days that clandestine chemists have to work without. I love how they made due with the archaic apparatus. It translates well for me.
Love it whenever I see taste and odor being used to describe a particular compound. I know they didn't know how bad some stuff could be and they were working with what they had, but it's always so amusing.
I've even heard of some older profs asking their graduate students what certain stannanes tasted like up into the late 90's early 2k's
>We covered this in class today, but I only somewhat understood it
>Doesn't realize that phenylpropanoids have no nitrogen bonded to the phenyl group, and that's a huge difference.
>Probably doesn't even understand the key status of phenylpropanoids, or why they are psychoactive.
This is why you are failing to get an "A" in class.
>text is loud
>informative posts are unruly
>I didn't start this by sharing incorrect information about distillation equipment having no legal uses.
You're a massive millennial faggot.
I just noticed you're the OP, but way faggier than your shit OP indicated. You literally invited people to post, now say you didn't, as if you had power either way in the first place. You're so oppressed that you are power tripping in invented imaginary power. You need read Uncle Ted's "Industrial Society and Its Future".
>But I actually started this thread because I expected to be the smartest person in a board full of some of the smartest people in the world, and expected them to heap praise on me in a place where "kys" is a common acronym
You're not from here. You need to go.
>You can distill essential oil from S. albidum (sassafras)
>I wasn't even taking about sassafras! Cool kids use other plants!
You are trying to sound like cool, trendy faggot on an anonymous message board. You are such an NPC that you can't even change your mode of thought. Also, an extremely attention-hungry faggot. Were you adopted, or did your single mother just ignore you as she took random cocks every week?
>Oh btw I actually glow in the dark
You do realize that's an undesired thing? I didn't phrase my opinions in a dialectic sense, so you are confused as to what stance to fake in binary situation. That is christkike-tier retardation. The dialectic is a powerful jewish trick: read Mein Kampf. In reality, these binary positions never exist.
>niggers in 3 parentheses
I don't think you even know what those parentheses mean. Lurk 2 more years before posting.
Ok, wow, so I also found this in one of my old notebooks from this experiment:
"…a slow rate of the MEK is introduced t the flask…ended up adding too fast, once reaction started, high heat gas and foam produced shooting stopper off!!! Add very slwoly even with MEK!! Cut my loses and set up for simple distillation…I was able to add all of the MEK before the rxn took off and by the time it was initiated, the rxn quickly ran away and shot foam and gas everywhere. At that point it was too late to control so I cut my losses and considered it a failed reaction on my part. Lesson learned!!"
Yeah, so I hope this helps others learn from my mistakes and how approaching synthesis can always surprise you no matter how ready you are.
It's the algorithm.
Freemasons love repeating digits btw.
It absolutely is.
CIA agents love the place
were you heating a closed system? or do you do the distillation as the reaction proceeds?
>psychedelic warfare on the general population
this would cause extreme lulz
>This is psychedelic warfare. Memetic warfare was only the beginning. It's time for the ultimate mind invasion. If we use memetics, and they use demoralization, then it's time to up the ante.
IT'S TIME TO UP THE ANTE!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't tried it yet, but am curious. Are there any diamondoid compounds worth trying?
I know Burning Man is a literal DoD/CIA experiment, largely financed by the Rothschild heir, who loves partying there and making videos about it. Probably lots of other festivals are too. For example, every Grateful Dead concert ever was a literal DARPA experiment. Refer to Steve Outtrim for the details and documentation on all this.
this. how the fuck would you ensure proper dosing? flu shot? put it in multivitamins? what about the people who opt out?
Yeah, like I said earlier, I was an idiot and put a glass stopper and keck clip on the top of my reflux condenser. I honestly thought my salt/ice bath was enough to control the reaction because I was using a pressure-equalized addition funnel as well. So, yes, my setup was entirely closed. This was a long time ago and I learned in the best way - by fucking up royally.
Good GOD you are vapid. filtered.
Hello CIA. Most people here know that MKULTRA was the Counterculture and that the Counterculture was MKULTRA. All these "psychedelic" drugs are distributed for free by your 'people,' and even the term "psychedelic" was invented by your 'people' for mind-control purposes.
All you newfags, psychedelic warfare against the populace has been ongoing since the 1960s. How do you think Boomers were created? The CIA gave out free drugs and clandestinely drugged people at every major concert in order to make the populace more docile, servile, and open to suggestion.
>Corning PC-420D with an external temperature controller
That is my ideal setup.
IKA RCT Basic is nice but more expensive, fucking Kraut shit amirite
Eh, in my experience not so much. I can't say I'm an expert in that area, but I can say with confidence that bromantane is garbage. At least for my brain. Your experiences may vary.
Hey man, can you get me this paper?
You ensure proper dosing by locking up test subjects in psychiatric wards and strapping them to a table for weeks to months. That's what Ewen Cameron did. In addition, arrest parents who refuse to drug their children under charges of abuse/neglect because they need their 'medicine.'
HOW ARE THEY DELIVERING THE DRUGS??
IS IT IN THE WATER??
>older the better
I mean to a point, I don't suggest we go back to candle flames and a retort but yeah, it's very helpful seeing how people made compounds prior to all the modern inventions that have happened in the past 50-70 years.
I'll give you a second chance, but seriously come off it.
>Burning Man is a literal DoD/CIA experiment, largely financed by the Rothschild heir, who loves partying there and making videos about it.
>sychedelic warfare against the populace has been ongoing since the 1960s. How do you think Boomers were created? … …
Again, sauce? I have my resources as well and I have my opinions. Could you maybe, idk decide talk about something rather than just running around screaming conspiracy like a fucking looney?
Shit, I used to know so much more about steroid and endocrinology in general but I forgot most of it during my PhD (cellular neuro so my focus switched more to neurotransmission and axogenesis).
Short answer is yes, there are absolutely ways to mitigate some of the effects of a cycle. A great resource (if it’s still active) are the degenerates over at 420chans /ana/ board. Doubt most of th are still there though.
I’m really reaching cuz it’s been awhile but it’s all trade offs. A single cycle isn’t really that bad if you don’t do it too early in development (wait til you’re 20-25, not 16 like I’ve seen some dumb fucks do). And post cycle therapies (PCT) are fucking key! You need to familiarize yourself with the correct drugs to take after a cycle.
The steroid cycle itself isn’t overtly the thing that messes people up. The first thing is that many androgens are precursors for estrogen. So you get the pro-male effects from the androgen (muscle, reduced fat deposition, ect) but it’s the estrogen that fucks you up. In addition what gets you is your body’s homeostasis. When you flood your body with test your body reacts by downregulating it’s own test production. When you stop your cycle your body goes through a lag phase where it’s not getting exogenous test and not making its own. Proper PCTs help kickstart your body’s own production of endogenous test. Expect to lose some gains, shoot high with the cycle and settle into something lower but still higher than where you were originally
This process though is the same thing (I should say analogous) to what a heroin act goes through when they stop taking dope. They get dope sickness because they no longer have a drug that is over activating the dopaminergic centers of the brain, and no longer making dopamine at normal levels. So it is 100%, without a doubt super critical to pick a PCT and run the proper one (there are different types) for the cycle you choose. Also some androgens are hepatotoxic, keep that in mind and avoid drugs like Tylenol or alcohol, your liver can take a beating but don’t push it.
Hopefully that cleared some things up, like I said it’s been a super long time since I researched that shit. I almost did a cycle when I was younger but backed out cuz I was making gains without them and couldn’t secure a trustworthy source
Yeah, the PC-420D is nice. The digital temperature matches up pretty well, but combined with the external temperature controller and you're spot on every time. Have you used the IKA RCT basic? I haven't, but I'm mixed on my opinion of Corning's Pyroceram tops. They're fucking awesome, reliable and resistant as all fuck, but there are certain things you aren't supposed to heat on them, such as aluminum. I sometimes use an aluminum block for testing melting points though and I haven't had any problems so far. I'd cry if it suddenly cracked.
THey are delivering the drugs through the tv and through the internet.
Sugar cubes, blotter paper, pills, spray bottles, etc.
I told you to lurk for 2 more years before posting. You are not even bothering to read the source I provided in the same post. Anyways, videos of the Rothschild heir partying at Burning Man are very easy to find given that he is actively trying to get people to see them.
>You're a conspiracy theorist!
kys. You don't even know that's a CIA term created for those who doubted the Warren Commission Report.
>But a huge government with unlimited resources would never spend it on drugs! Never!
What would you do with a $100 billion dollar budget? Immediately buy drugs, right? Anyways, you won't actually look at any source I give you because you don't want them to exist. Your an NPC and don't belong here. Get out.
I'm trying to find you a similar paper, but that particular one I don't have access too. Also can infinitychan handle PDFs?
>Thanks again anon. This book is new to me and honestly, the older the better. Older organic chemistry books don't utilize all that expensive new fancy equipment found in university labs these days that clandestine chemists have to work without. I love how they made due with the archaic apparatus. It translates well for me.
Even better, it has detailed instructions on setting up a small home laboratory and on the fundamentals of science up to that point. Page 59
Ok, so I was kinda sorta right. Thank you for a deeper explanation.
I personally would be a little to scared to risk damaging such a piece of equipment. What about the PC-600D… there's a good deal for some rn
You haven't provided anything my dude… are you on drugs? Also I know festivals are spook world, they love psychedelics. I ran into somebody who worked at NRL and somebody who worked for the DIA at the same fest. Pretty wild. Oh, I should probably mention that I am ex USN. ;)
…so do you actually want to talk or do you just want to be the center of attention?
You were definitely correct, especially about sourcing. For all you know it could have been made by some shithole “pharma” company in Thailand with no regs or GMP.
And the liver thing as with any drug is always a massive concern
>If you are referring to my first picture, it is the proposed mechanism of the racemic hydroiodic acid reduction of ephedrine into methamphetamine. It employs the concept of Le Chatelier's principle.
the old "nazi" dope. (although i really dont think it was ever used by nazis other than skinheads in america.
This board has turned into a reporter treasure trove.
Oh, setting up a small home laboratory should be one of the first practical applications of organic synthesis. This includes building a fume hood. This is necessary.
At best you'll get some inert nothing. At worst, *shrug* labwaste
> i really dont think it was ever used by nazis other than skinheads in america
<What is P E R V I T I N
Man that’s crazy. I remember the first time I did acid was at some outdoor festival back in the day, was all psytrance (not some lame stream frat party type shit like Coachella).
When I started peaking I started bugging out a little bit thinking the whole thing was set up by the CIA in order to mindfuck people, basically fry therir brains in some way. Maybe I wasn’t that far off
sadly there is very little stuff on bromantane metabolites in the databases I have access to, this might be of interest though?>>12537853
Damn, no. There's nothing on bromantane metabolites in that. Sucks we can't get the paper I posted. Is there a reason you can't access that particular one?
Yeah, I'm a Deadhead. Plenty of spooks are lurking in the festival scene and in the dead scene. The moment the CIA heard about LSD they inquired of it's manufacturer about purchasing 50kg (200 million hits at 250ug a hit, very important number(s) ) for experimentation. Sandoz replied rather curtly that they were only in possession of about a half ounce of the stuff (14 grams) and would not be able to fulfill that order. I don't think this stopped the CIA People sperg out about MKULTRA but it was actually a subset of Project ARTICHOKE, MKULTRA is the "treadmill," the research that you can walk on forever and not get to far.
This is FASCINATING… I love learning about new drugs.
By the way, I'm not sure if you saw my earlier questions, but any input?
>Is there a reason you can't access that particular one?
seems to be from a fairly obscure and specialized european journal that the american institution I work for just doesn't have a subscription to, unfortunately.
for the vial caps, I have used those ocassionally but my lab usually just uses plain 20 mL scintillation vials with PP caps with a conical liner to make an airtight seal. We usually aren't making large batches of shit. If we do, we store them in pyrex media bottles.
for the oil baths, we just use a drum of mineral oil purchased from fisher, lol never really paid attention to the specifics of it. Since I have access to hexanes and toluene its not a problem to clean it up.
And the unsaturation (double bonds) test with the KMnO4, the color change is actually from the difference in oxidation states of the potassium permanganate (VII) → (IV).
So I have a bunch of each of these styles, but I'm not sure if the new style is better or not. Does your lab use these?
we use the "old" style, i've never seen those "new" ones, they look ugly AF but there probably isn't anything inherently bad about them.
>Have you used the IKA RCT basic?
Yes. You can get two different types of temp probe, one with an LCD screen built in and one without, I think they both work OK but YMMV. It is good for small vial reactions – you can get an aluminum heating block with a bunch of wells. Not so great for heating large distillation and reflux type of setups.
wtf are those indentations?
Please do enlighten me about how you're going to get by without NMR. Elemental analysis is archaic as fuck and will not give you structure. Following established procedures (not even research) still requires you to check purity with chromatography or something.
I know that really really crude benchtop NMRs can be made, not sure what kind of resolution you'd be able to get and where you'd be able to find deuterated solvents easily.
Panzerschokolade, best schkolade.
yeah there are tabletop NMRs and in-line NMRs but the resolution is likely not sufficient, you probably need 400 MHz at least. Pay off your local NMR guy to run samples? Or just be a chemist for the CIA niggers
==A Homemade Cost Effective Raman Spectrometer
with High Performance==
Been saving this one for a while. One of my relatives PhD work was in interferometry… wonder if they could help
I'd laugh in face and go about my business as usual. You'd run into a wall of horny ones for the next year as payment for your services.
I've already explained. Just don't venture off published routes and use a book such as the Merck index to cross reference boiling points and/or melting points (Yes, sharper is better). There's also chemical identifications like I've explained above, solubility, recrystallizations, TLC for rf values to monitor reaction progress… Shit, a NMR would be nice, but you honestly can't admit you absolutely require one for organic synthesis. Obviously it helps when you understand what you are doing during each reaction though.
I mean raman is useful for some stuff, but it's essentially a glorified IR. Not exactly useful for determining exact structure, but will tell you if some functional groups are present.
it isn't absolutely necessary, but when you start getting into areas where one enantiomer can kill you and one wont, It kind of does require an NMR. Granted, I doubt you'll be doing anything that sophisticated. I do have to say though, If you have the ability to do column chromatography, you will be able to separate and purify almost anything to an extremely high degree, unfortunately it's expensive and solvent intensive. Should really only be used for purification of final products if you're working on a budget.
Yes, the minute I start attempting stereospecific synthesis of a molecule that has a enatiomer that could kill me, is the day I probably should switch hobbies.
>is the day I probably should switch hobbies.
ha, yea, would probably be wise
>one enantiomer can kill you and one wont
Any molecules come to mind? Any prone to racemization?
>Any molecules come to mind?
Not really my area of expertise, but I have heard of some pretty extreme cases, just can't think of any right now.
By the way, holy shit. Days like this I wish I was an engineer. Please tell me you've built one.
that's cool as fuck
brb becoming an enginerd
Nature shows us all truths if we are keen enough to observe them.
For example. Complete rest is always death.
Even the most vicious predators play, relax, and nap outside of basic sleep and rest needs.
Life is competition.
The weak always feed the strong.
>OP is a reporter
Is that what is going on? OP is definitely not from here and doesn't even know what the triple parentheses mean, yet she persists.OP writes like a womanI'm surprised that anyone engaged that massive faggot at all. I guess the topic never comes up here, so people were hungry for it. Maybe this is going into their college research paper on the internet nazis. Post gore so they leave.
lol that gore is old as fuck… and you're calling me a newfag. Jesus your a fucking shitbag. Also tanking this thread will only prove my point.
How to fuck do you say Zwitterion, /chem/fags?
zwitter(like twitter with a z)-eye-on
exactly like you think you would
Oh ffs. MKULTRA's goal was to create Deadheads, malleable people incapable of insurrection. The Grateful Dead is CIA. They even tell you.
Grateful Dead Lyrics
Red and white, blue suede shoes, I'm Uncle Sam, how do you do?
Gimme five, I'm still alive, ain't no luck, I learned to duck.
Check my pulse, it don't change. Stay seventy-two come shine or rain.
Wave the flag, pop the bag, rock the boat, skin the goat.
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high.
Summertime done, come and gone, my, oh, my.
I'm Uncle Sam, that's who I am; Been hidin' out in a rock and roll band.
Shake the hand that shook the hand of P.T. Barnum and Charlie Chan.
Shine your shoes, light your fuse. Can you use them ol' U.S. Blues?
I'll drink your health, share your wealth, run your life, steal your wife.
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high.
Summertime done, come and gone, my, oh, my.
Back to back chicken shack. Son of a gun, better change your act.
We're all confused, what's to lose?
You can call this song the United States blues.
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high.
Summertime done, come and gone, my, oh, my.
>exactly like you think you would
I did this with Soxhlet extractor during a conversation with a local chemist and they corrected me insisting that it was pronounced "so-ley" anyway… used that pronunciation in front of yet another chemist and they looked at me like I had 3 heads. So I guess it's pronounced "socks-let." Cool apparatus, friend of mine recently broke theirs. D: